Community Draft Board, pt. 6: The Dark End of the Street Edition
This old James Carr song is one of those tunes that is the first to get loaded on a new ipod, never to be taken off. This particular version is by Ry Cooder and the Chicken Skin Band live at Shepherd's Bush Television Theatre, London in 1977. The big dude in the middle absolutely kills his part. Kills it. Ry brings it all on home with one of the best understated guitar solos you will ever hope to hear.
As for our little Community Draft Board, here is how things are looking after 5 rounds:
- John Wall
- Evan Turner
- Derrick Favors
- DeMarcus Cousins
- Wes Johnson
This could go in a number of ways at this point.
Back to the music for a sec...if you haven't listened to James Carr before, you really are missing out. Here he is singing A Man Needs a Woman. Now take a listen to I Don't Want to be Hurt.
Carr suffered from bipolar disorder and he never received the commercial success commensurate with the quality of his pipes. He died in a Memphis nursing home at the age of 58.
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First five were pretty predictable
It’s pretty much unanimous everywhere that Wall, Turner, Favors, Cousins and Johnson are the top 5 picks in some order
This is where it’s going to get interesting I bet. I expect our votes to be all over the place from here on out
Henry
- is kind of the no-man’s land in this draft, however.
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Dark End of the Street
Nicely done. James Carr= (relatively) unheralded genius. I hope you’re going to see Eddie Floyd with Booker T. and the MG’s next week.
btw
Is that Flaco Jimenez rocking the squeezebox?
It is...
…he joined Ry on his 77 tour with the band. Here he is taking Goodnight Irene south of the border:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37orqt9J7d0
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6. Monroe
7. Henry
8. George
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Jun 7, 2010 10:53 PM CDT reply actions
I would not be surprised to see Aminu fall to the later lottery, after picks like Henry, George, and Babbitt. His passive demeanor in interviews coupled with the fact that’s he a perimeter player who can’t shoot and has no skill creating for himself or others off the dribble makes him a huge question mark, hard to predict what his potential is, young though, but outside of running the break he’s a massive liability on the offensive end.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Jun 7, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Will be able to guard 3 positions immediately coming into the League though.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Jun 7, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
He has been compared to Josh Smith
Not saying that he’ll be that good now or ever, but that type of player. Much bigger than Corey.
I went George
Aminu had a 27% eFG between the paint and the 3p line, 41% eFG outside the 3p line (but only 17% of his shots came from that distance) and 53% eFG in the paint (second worse amongst DX’s first round prospects. George shot better across the board. Not quite as good as Henry, but I like George’s measurables more. Plus, he was more productive with a larger offensive load. I’m thinking there’s no way he falls to 16.
We’ll have a choice between James Anderson and Damion James for a wing at 16, Johnson, Aminu, Babbitt, Henry, George, and Hayward will all be gone by the time we pick at 16. Look at murderers row for the likelyhood of taking wings before our second pick:
8. LA Clippers
9. Utah Jazz
11. New Orleans
12. Memphis
15. Milwaukee
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Jun 7, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
We’ll have to move up to Detroit’s pick to get our pick of wings after Johnson in Aminu, Babbitt, Henry, and George. As I see it, it works in Detroit’s favor to take the 16th and 23rd, I just don’t see a whole of lot difference in talent in reaching for a guy like Ed Davis or Ekpe Udoh at 7 or getting a guy like Whiteside or Orton at 16. Plus they can get a guy like Seraphin at 23.
by AnotherDraftPickBitesTheDust on Jun 8, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I may be mistaken
but I believe Seraphin has withdrawn from the draft.
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain
Not quite yet
He’s on the fence, especially after the knee injury he suffered. No official withdrawal that I’ve seen anywhere as of yet.
The other top Euros have both withdrawn, sadly. They were both intriguing picks.
Once again I stand corrected
Perhaps I was thinking of Donuts Montezuma?
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain
You’re right…we’ll need to move up. I’m still hoping we can get 5 or 6 and get Johnson, but would be fine in 7-10 range for Henry or George.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Jun 8, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Once again, kudos on the music choice!
Is there anything that Ry Cooder doesn’t do that ‘s fantastic. ’Bop Til You Drop’, favorite LP, ever.
second that on SnP's fine choice of music
perhaps it should be Coodos though! Sorry, cood not resist.
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain
No...
…there is nothing he does that is not fantastic. My personal favorite isn’t really his own album, but one he produced for Mavis Staples:
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Great songs...
I enjoyed each and every of the linked songs.
Tough Choice
I went with Aminu, but I can definitely see the argument for George. It really gets muddled after #5.
Surprised that Paul George is moving up so quickly...
It will be interesting to see where he’s eventually drafted.
Talking myself into DeMarcus Cousins since 5/18/10
I would bet a sawbuck that George is drafted in the top 10.
by Mac of the MIAC on Jun 8, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Paul George--Beware the late riser?
I don’t know anything. Most of these guys…I get it wrong as often as I get it right, and I see no reason for that to change.
But…did I miss where Paul George played any games between March and now? What has sent him skyrocketing up draft boards? He obviously has some real physical gifts, but he also has significant weaknesses.
If I recall correctly, two months ago, he was behind James Anderson in most mock drafts. Since neither player has, you know, played a game since then, I have to ask…wha happen?
It’s classic measurement slobber. I sometimes think teams would be better off without the measurements, the work outs against chairs, and everything else that distracts them from the central question—you know the one: can this guy play basketball?
On the one hand, you have a guy who consistently became more and more productive for a team over 3 years in one of the toughest conferences in college basketball. He took on total responsibility for his team’s offense as a junior, and thrived. He’s good sized for an NBA shooting guard.
On the other, you have this super impressive physical specimen who was fairly inconsistent with flashes of brilliance in a much weaker conference. George is one (1) year younger than Anderson, doesn’t have near the feel for the game, the consistency, or the results that Anderson has, and is apparently poised to break into the top 10, while Anderson might very well be sitting there at 23.
I ask: can we take a minute to think about this? Are we sure this is right? Are we getting sucked into the late riser syndrome?
We Are the Washington Generals
I get what your saying but a guy rising from a small school makes
a lot of sense. People probably haven’t seen him play much and now are just realizing how good the kid can be. Whereas James Andersen has probably already reached his potential in most peoples eyes. There is also the old addage that you can’t teach size and George has size.
The bigs outside of Whiteside don’t intrigue me at all.
James Anderson
also improved every single year at Oklahoma State, to the point where he was a threat to go off for 30+ points in any given game. I guess I can see where George has the upside to do more defensively than Anderson, but this guy can flat out score points.
by Rascal Flatts on Jun 8, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I really don't get..
…how this guy could be falling like this. I’m really hoping he ends up with the Wolves at 16 or 23.
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A smart man once wrote:
[T]his guy simply did not show any signs of being able to defend.
How much do you knock him down for that? I agree that he’s dropped too far if DX is right (which has him going to the Wolves at 23). But for me, if he’s that bad on D, he’s not a long-term starter. And if he’s not that, he doesn’t seem like much of an upgrade over Ellington. Maybe that’s not giving enough credit to Anderson’s added reach (4 inches more than Wayne) and better overall offensive game. I’d just rather not add more players who can’t defend.
I'm hoping..
….he finds a bit more balance when the offensive load is removed in the pros. He’s just too good of a shooter with size to be passed over for too long.
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Fair enough
I guess I have to agree with your original point that he’d be a good pick at 16 or 23. I don’t have much hope that Henry or George will be there at 16, and Anderson would be right in there with Whiteside and Babbitt in my next tier.
Yeah...
Plus, didn’t Tyreke Evans rise up draft boards after the regular season finished last year?
by SF on Jun 8, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Did he? I thought he was pretty high all along.
Look, maybe George is that good. I have no idea. I worry about a guy forcasted to go late in the first round who then becomes a mid-lottery pick without playing any basketball games.
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by Eric in Madison on Jun 8, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you EIM
It’s one thing to rise up a few spots due to the measurements and combine, since to some degree that helps us understand whether a person’s college body of work can be translated to the NBA. But in his case his college body of work is solid, but not outstanding. For someone that carries such elite length and athleticism, I would have expected him to be a lot more effective last season. 42.5% from the field is the worst among all first round SF prospects and he has the second worst 2 point FG%, so it’s not just about the fact he shoots a lot of 3’s.
I think between James Anderson, Xavier Henry, Luke Babbit, Damion James, and Paul George, someone from that group will be available at #16 and we can snag the best one available (assuming we go big with our lotto pick).
by Rascal Flatts on Jun 8, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I could live with Anderson, but James seems like too much of a tweener.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Jun 8, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Yet Damion James
shot better than Paul George from literally every location on the floor and rebounded like a madman…..
by Rascal Flatts on Jun 8, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Paul George
scares me a little. I agree. A great prospect who I wanted above Seraphin if he dropped to 23… then when he moved up to 16 I still wanted him just because I wasn’t a huge fan of any of the guys between 12-20ish area for the location (deep draft, but not much talent… same as last year with the PGs kind of). I’d still take Henry ahead of him and I’d consider Anderson ahead of him as well… but in the end I’d probably take George just ahead of Anderson.
What I don’t like about him is his perceived athleticism…. I’m just not seeing it in his game. The video on DX showed him taking some jump shots, but the only thing I could think the whole time was, “jump?” He barely elevated off of his three point shots. That gets by in college, but he’s going to have to either a) release quicker b) elevate higher or c) only play against smaller or more unathletic wings.
I also didn’t see a guy who could throw down some Rubio alley oops. Sure he’s got the ups and potential to do it, but most of his dunks were predicated off of his length and not his vertical. Good athlete, yes. Great athlete, no.
Buckeyes are red, Wildcats are blue,
I wanted Evan Turner, But DeMarcus Cousins will do.
I worry about that too.
He didn’t do any jumping measurements at the combine. If your vertical is a selling point, you do it, and he didn’t. Hmmm… How would we feel about him if we knew he had a 33" vertical?
That said, I voted for him. I don’t see how Aminu, Monroe, or Davis help this team at all. We just don’t have a place for them.
Agreed
I think I might have seen that his agency isn’t a fan of the combine and that’s why he didn’t… but I’d have to believe it was more because they recommended that he didn’t. Can’t see him measuring out very well in the bench at all… Very Brewer-esque.
I still voted Aminu as I like his defense and his versatility as a 3/4. He seems like a guy you need in the long run to be able to slow down the Lebrons and Melos of the world… also for us to play against some more stretch fours in particular matchups. Though at the same time, that will hopefully not be a need once we trade Big Al… but our butt load of plodding PF/Cs says we still will.
Buckeyes are red, Wildcats are blue,
I wanted Evan Turner, But DeMarcus Cousins will do.
In defense of Aldrich
I’m one of the minority who selected Aldrich, who seems like a good combination of need and ability at this spot. His ceiling isn’t as high as some, but he has good size and can defend. Once in a while you take the double instead of swinging for the fences, and this is one of those spots for me.
Aminu seems too raw, but I could see taking him if we get a veteran SF for him to play behind for a year or two. I’m worried about Monroe’s defense and motor, but he’s right in there as well. It just seems to early for George. I’d love him at 10 if we could get the Pacers’ pick.
He's going to wind up lower than he should be
I’ve got him 7th or 8th on my board. He’d be better for us than crappy Monroe.
Why no love for Monroe?
When I watched him, I saw a big, smart guy with all the skills to last in the NBA a long time. The only real drawback to him is that he lacks the kind of scowly-faced “fire” that we all find ever so appealing in DeMarcus Cousins and that he’s not a dominating individual scorer.
But in the pros, the ability to pass the ball and move smartly without it only becomes more important. What am I missing?
like a teddy bear
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Jun 8, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
You're missing plenty
He’s a big who isn’t athletic, isn’t a good defender, and is less of a center than Al Jefferson is. Not a lot of star potential there either. As long as there are other potential starters on the board, he shouldn’t even enter the conversation.
At the same time,
he’s not unathletic, not a poor defender, is 6’11" and is the most skilled big man in the entire draft. He’s the best passing big man to enter the NBA in recent memory.
I think he has as much star potential as any player in this draft outside of Wall-Turner-Favors-Cousins.
He's the ultimate win more player
He looks great when you’re already winning but terrible when you’re not. His doesn’t get you back into games.
Semantics aside
He’d be the worst fit on the Wolves of any lottery pick. I don’t understand how so many people are voting for him. If this whole poll is just going to be a regurgitation of the generic Big Board (which it has been so far), I don’t see why we’re doing it.
I'm not a huge fan of the Wolf Among Wolves blog,
but today’s entry is intriguing. I kind of like his line of thinking…Rubio would probably like to see Gay signed. He lists this as a 2011-2012 lineup, if Turner slides: Rubio, Turner, Gay, Love, and Jefferson (bench could be Flynn/Sessions, Brewer, Darko, Pek, etc.). Very easily a contending team. Imagine the offense we would have.
Now imagine the defense. That starting lineup would get absolutely torched. With that being said, it would be a fun team to watch. Here’s the link to the entry:
That would be awesome
If Turner slid we could spend our $ on an additional wing player instead of hoping to come out of this offseason with one, total. You would have to start Darko with this bunch, however, if you wanted to win any games.
Of course, still no way Turner slides past both Philly AND NJ.
by midlife crisis on Jun 8, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Its looking more likely
But I agree that it still would be a surprise (just like Rubio was). We coul dstart Rubio, Turner, Gay, Jefferson, and Darko. Bench would be Love, Brewer, etc.
Hey Stop-n-Pop
If undersized PF Patrick Patterson is listed among the options, Hassan Whiteside the athletic shot-blocking C from the same tier probably should be also, don’t you think?
He's next up on being added...
…after Gordon Hayward. I’m using DX to populate the list.
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Oh good.
I’m looking forward to throwing my vote away on him repeatedly once George, Henry, and Aldrich come off the board.
What about Patterson?
I thought you were high on Patterson too? ;-)
Buckeyes are red, Wildcats are blue,
I wanted Evan Turner, But DeMarcus Cousins will do.
I agree
If we don’t move any of our pieces, our needs are a true C and wings… Whitesite would cover defensive liabilities for either Jefferson or Love and improve our D as a whole.
by fatman_cometh on Jun 9, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions

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