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More Beasley pondering

So I'm trying to make sense of our roster and what kind of capabilities it has.  Michael Beasley has quickly become the biggest X-factor next to Ricky Rubio, but it seems like he doesn't quite fit in to our line-up as anything other than a super-talented backup PF.  Unless.......

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There are two major events that could turn this roster from one that looks like a 30 win team, to a team with playoff potential.  Both events are perhaps unlikely, but if they work out this could be huge.

1.  Michael Beasley figures out how to be the "Melo" kind of player that some people think he can be and becomes a true SF superstar.  We're talking 25ppg and 8rpg as well as occasionally posterizing dunks over Kobe.  Again, not likely, but if he can at least become a decent 3 then this is intriguing.  It however also depends on....

2.  Wes Johnson proves he's a legitimate 2.  He of course seems like a total prototype SF but Kahn believes he can guard 2s and if he handles the ball better than we think he can its possible.  This would make our starting lineup next year (assuming Rubio signs)

Rubio

Johnson

Beasley 

Love

Milicic

Now THAT'S an exciting lineup (assuming these improvements happen).  Webster stays as top backup for both the 2 and 3 spot.  We have Flynn as the 6th man off the bench, Pekovic as the backup 4-5 with scoring.  

It would be looking like a legit playoff contender for sure...

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Did I also mention

that this is a ridiculously LONG lineup. They would be incredibly hard for teams to defend for 4 quarters. All bases would be covered.

by NYCVike on Jul 12, 2010 12:01 AM CDT reply actions  

This is the approach I want to see taken...

let’s hope that Rambis shares our vision, and Beasley and Wes really do have the talents to execute it. I would also add that, at least for me, Beasley being a good 3 trumps Wes being a good 2. Meaning if Beasley really can play the 3 and Wes can’t hack it at the 2, Wes is coming off of the bench rather than forcing Beasley into the 4 spot.

by vjl110 on Jul 12, 2010 12:19 AM CDT reply actions  

The Triangle as a Postive?

Here is where Rambis can make his mark with the triangle. The offense gets it’s name from having 3 post players – which would seem to play well with a tweener forward such as Beasley, Odom, Artest…

You put Love or Peko in the low post for inside scoring/rebounding, put Darko/Love in the high post where passing is more important, and put Beasley in the floater post where he can make plays inside and out. You have shooters Wes/Webster on the wing for the kickouts. In every case, it seems to me that you are putting players with right skillsets in the right positions to be effective.

The kick is this, can Rambis create a triangle that highlights rather than minimizes the play making of the PG?

Now defense is a whole other story, but there are four things that I believe will help:
1 – Having a real Post defensive presence such as Darko to clean up mistakes
2 – Having Love play his man and the rebound rather than help
3 – Having a legitimately long athlete in Wes playing wing D (god hoping the Syracuse zone didn’t ruin him!)
4 – Relying on Beasley’s athleticism – which is awesome – to be converted to defensive effort. Beasley has the chops to play wing D, but he’s never really shown the inclination to try all that hard on D.

by gill0137 on Jul 12, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like it.

Give Rambis a call and let him know what we are doing.

by vjl110 on Jul 12, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

one correction...

the triangle offense does not get its name from having 3 post players. It gets its name from the triangles that are created by the spacing and positioning of the players at the inception of the play, with the PG at the top, the wing being wide on the side, and the post player on the block or high post depending on the derivation. In both LA and Chicago, this was done not with 3 post players, but with two strong wings or a wing and a PG, and a good passing post player.

by owen4572 on Jul 12, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

mixed feelings

I love the idea of playing Beasley and Johnson together, but I’m not thrilled about pushing both out of their natural spots. It’s one thing to say Johnson can guard the 2, another to say he should be chasing the Ray Allens of this world all over the court.

And as long as you’re posting dream lineups with Rubio, let me just say that I’m more excited to see what Rubio can do on the defensive side of the ball than anything else. I’m picturing Rubio, Webster, Brewer (or Johnson, if his 2 steals + 2 blocks carry over to this level), Beasley, and Darko as a potentially lights-out defensive unit (Beasley being the obvious weak link, though he has the tools for the job).

by deus04 on Jul 12, 2010 1:52 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't think Beasley will ever be able to defend SFs effectively.

The best place for Beasley is a place with another combo forward who can take on the tougher defensive matchup. Gerald Wallace in Charlotte, Nic Batum in Portland, Wilson Chandler in NY.

The other issue is that playing Beasley at the 3 moves Johnson to the 2 which isn’t where he’s best utilized. I think B-Easy’s value is as a trade piece. If Portland is unhappy with ’Dre at the point, maybe Dre Miller and Rudy for Beasley and Sessions?

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by SoulHonky on Jul 12, 2010 2:10 AM CDT reply actions  

You say that he can't guard SFs then name three SFs that he would be guarding when we play those teams...

let’s keep going with that. Against the Jazz Kirilenko, against the Nuggets Carmello, against the Heat LeBron, against the Thunder probably Green, but if they ever get a real PF it would be Durant…. he looks a lot better guarding those guys than guarding Bosh, Pau, and Nowiztki.

by vjl110 on Jul 12, 2010 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he was naming SFs who can guard PFs.

Like, if we had Gerald Wallace, he would guard the tougher guy and Beasley would guard the other guy from the two forward spots.

by princelyfrank on Jul 12, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

Sure, there are certain teams like LA or Utah where you can switch him to the three because that’s the easier matchup but that just makes it more important to have a versatile forward alongside him. I mean, if you switch him onto Green against the Thunder, that leaves Love trying to stop Durant.

Also, B-Easy has an easier time working the post and it’s easier to help him there because you know where his man’s going to be – in the paint. He’s quick enough to keep most PF’s in front of him so its easier for the defense to help out. Helping him with Bosh in the paint is easier than trying to figure out where LeBron is and shifting accordingly. It’s also easier for him to deny the ball to Bosh; if he’s on an island with ‘Bron, he’s toast.

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by SoulHonky on Jul 12, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Better short term point guard, team option next year so you can dump him

In the short term, he makes the team better.

In the long term, he cuts two years off of Sessions’s contract and could possibly be someone teams target at the trade deadline (so the Wolves could pick up another pick or prospect for him.)

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by SoulHonky on Jul 13, 2010 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Beasley a PF

Beasley’s numbers are a lot better at PF. Bench for now. Much better (more athletic) for Wolves system than Al.

His minutes climb if you go small ball and slip Love to the C. If he takes off, he’s the starting PF. If you think you can then extend his contract down the line, you can trade Love.

Beasley could be much better than Love if he puts it all together. Rubio (PG) – Johnson (SF) – Beasley (PF) could be a very nice trio. And we’d have a bench.

by ChicagoViking on Jul 12, 2010 7:43 AM CDT reply actions  

"Beasley’s numbers are a lot better at PF"

This is true but very small sample size, we still don’t really know if that is true. Almost 0 SF minutes his first year, and only 8% of the Heat’s SF minutes his second year. There is no reason to throw out his ability to play the 3 at this point in his career.

by vjl110 on Jul 12, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stay off the pipe people

There has been another post on this topic the dude can play PF. He is shorter then K love BY only 3/4 of an Inch. and has way more athleticism. so stop the love wih love and put his fat ass on the bench.

by chuckd@79 on Jul 12, 2010 7:51 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

The Future: Rubio, X Henry (from Al trade), P George (16 & 23 trade), Favors, Darko

by wolfen on Jul 12, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hollins is several inches taller than Love and a lot more athletic too...

Just like Hollins, Beasley needs to show that he can play NBA basketball at something approaching Love’s ability before an argument about starting him should ever be heard. So far he hasn’t. Beasley has the potential to be one of the better players in the NBA, but in his first two years he has been borderline garbage. He is not even among the top 50 PFs for TS% and has mediocre rebounding numbers. Beasley is two or three tiers lower than Love in terms of on court performance right now, arguing that he should be starting over Love because he is almost as tall and more athletic is absurd.

by vjl110 on Jul 12, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Love Hate?

You appear to have a love-hate relationship.

by Flagrant on Jul 12, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

The idea of this lineup

is purely this. How can we get our best players on the floor at the same time. I think Beasley is now one of our 5 best players, and I’m assuming Wes will be the real deal. Love can only play PF, nothing else. Darko is only a C, and Flynn and Rubio are only PGs. These two guys have swing potential. Note I’m only saying potential. But this lineup would put IMO our 5 best players on the court at the same time.

by NYCVike on Jul 12, 2010 9:25 AM CDT reply actions  

I still think

Kahn is trying to flip Beasley. That’s just the way his brain works—he will almost play musical chairs with our assets and see what he comes up with at the end (remember all those endless, C-grade trades he made last year).

"Can someone please help me out, who did wolves pick, doesnt look too positive around here"

by Rasho Revolution on Jul 12, 2010 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

I tend to agree

Strange as it may seem, I question Beas duration here.

by Flagrant on Jul 12, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope not

I really like the idea of Beasley in a running game, and I think the Wolves FO does too.

by Dave T on Jul 12, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

so if we put Flynn/Sessions

(still don’t know which one is out the door) in place of Rubio—how many games do you think we can win this year?

"Can someone please help me out, who did wolves pick, doesnt look too positive around here"

by Rasho Revolution on Jul 12, 2010 11:33 AM CDT reply actions  

that is to say in the starting line up above...

Brewer coming off the bench would be a nice change o’ pace guy as well.

"Can someone please help me out, who did wolves pick, doesnt look too positive around here"

by Rasho Revolution on Jul 12, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Beasley is a poor rebounder

with Charile V type reboundnig rates, and is not adept at drawnig fouls. These are two skillls that are at the top of the list of what I look at from a PF. He has one bankable skill (which still must be polished), and that’s his ability to create his own shot. That’s really what I’d look for from a SF. I mean, if the argument that he’s a PF comes from the fact that he can’t guard opposing SFs, that’s not a ringing endorsement. If he’s a scorer on the court, as a PF he’d better be pretty unstoppable to make up for the lack of rebounding, especially if paired with Darko. As a go to scorer, he better have a diverse enough attack to score from a variety of positions, and know how to take advantage of both bigger but slower, and smaller but faster players.

I like him as a SF and situational PF, and let’s see how he develops. So far he has not shown starter performance, since he is below NBA PF average in pretty much every stat aside from usage and shot creation (low assist%).

by dropstep on Jul 12, 2010 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

But Love's PER is so sexy

in all seriousness, the numbers say Beasley is a PF. Also, it would be retarded to trade him at this point. He still has potential to be a number one or excellent number two option.

by John Wall on Jul 12, 2010 12:13 PM CDT reply actions  

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