Ridnour
by MNfan15 on Jul 20, 2010 6:27 PM CDT
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Luke Ridnour will be officially signing tomorrow with our very own Minnesota Timberwovles. They are having a live press conference tomorrow at 12pm live on timberwolves.com. I found my sources twitter from both Jonah Ballow and Jerry Zgoda. On that note, what should we get for Ramon Sessions?
jonahballow
The # Twolves will officially sign Luke Ridnour tomorrow - Live presser @ 12 PM on www.timberwolves.com
JerryZgoda
Luke Ridnour deal is done. He'll be introduced tomorrow at Target Center at noon. #Timberwolves
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The best possible trade
would be anything that would send Sessions somewhere else and Ryan Hollins with him. We wouldn’t even need anything back — taking Hollins off our hands would be more than enough payment.
Beyond just getting Ryan Hollins' contract off the books...
It would also guarantee we no longer give playing time to the most unproductive player in the NBA. Woohooo!!!!!!!
Talking myself into DeMarcus Cousins since 5/18/10
by Blakeley on Jul 20, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You get a rec
just because I like that you called it the more accurate “most unproductive” than the typical “least productive” as he was, indeed, the opposite of productive.
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
I think
that we end up sending Session (and maybe Hollins) to Cleveland for Delonte’s contract, which we can buyout for $500,000, and a second rounder. I believe cleveland might have to add something else if Hollins is in there, but I don’t know what we’d want from them
I wonder
if a team considers Sessions worth about 6.5M/yr which is about what it would come out to be if you average Hollins out over three years and consider him useless. Of course it would depend on the team’s cap situation and where they think they can spend their money (is Ryan Hollins going to stop them from signing an FA next year, for example).
I have said it before, but I will be irate if we trade Sessions for nothing more than Delonte’s contract. He still has positive value and I wouldn’t consider it positive value if we got nothing for him (actually we would be paying half a mil just to get rid of him). I don’t think this will happen, especially since we have multiple teams apparently in the hunt.
My ideal trade would be to get out of Hollins’ contract while also getting at least one second rounder, especially if Kufos is headed out as well. Two would be nice, but probably asking quite a bit if, say Cleveland, can give us almost pure cap space.
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
Don't think it would work
anyways because Cleveland is over the cap. Cleveland might take Koufos in the deal.
Sorry I didn't really make that clear
by almost pure cap space I was referring to Delonte’s $500,000 buyout.
I wouldn’t mind Sessions + Hollins + Kuofos for West and a second (hell, we could even take Bassy back from them just to take a year off of Hollins’ deal and to get one of our guys back for a year instead of another random expiring).
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
i'd like to this to happen
just so i can watch bill simmons head explode as we trade for another point guard.
I'm guessing we'll
see Sessions and Koufus for West and 2nd rd pick. I don’t see anyone touching Hollins without returning more junk.
If that happens
I will proceed to hate Kahn for a few more days and then get over it.
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
Could be Flynn 2
Might as well end the Johnny Flynn experiment while there’s time. Heard last week that Jonny told Rambis “f—- you” 3 times last season when he was taken out of a game.
Breaking down cognitive dissonance and group think since gasoline was cheap.
Trying to recall (I'm a busy man)
But thought I heard it on Paul Allen’s program. Take it for what it’s worth, but, as I have mentioned previously (with attribution), Jerry Zgoda wrote at least two pieces last winter where Rambis would be saying one thing (don’t just throw it down to Al every time) and Flynn would make comments in complete opposition (we throw it down to Al, he’s our go-to guy).
Breaking down cognitive dissonance and group think since gasoline was cheap.
It was PA
But, PA said he saw “Flynn tell Rambis FU at least 3 times last season when he was taken out”. I have no doubt that something of this sort may have happened, but two things come to mind. One, PA is the master of hyperbole. Two PA would not be sitting in a great place to see/hear this from his media spot.
Too true,
but with attendance approaching “I-called-the-Target-Center-to-see-when-the-Wolves’-game-started-and-they-said-‘What-time-can-you-get-here?’” levels, I think even casual conversations can be heard throughout the arena.
Here's my question
how often do players tell this to their coaches in general? My guess is that it happens more often than not.
"Styx might be the mullet of bands."
by biggity2bit on Jul 21, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Gotta go find my calculator
Let’s see 100% x ____ =
Breaking down cognitive dissonance and group think since gasoline was cheap.
hah...too true indeed
My season tickets last year did not quite allow me to hear the timeout conversations, but I’m hoping my lower bowl seats this year will let me into the circle. I am sure Flynn and several other players throughout the year told Rambis, Lambeer, etc. to FO at some point. I told that to my high school coach at least once. I just don’t think this is a big deal and I don’t think it really says anything about Flynn or his character.
It doesn't say anything about Flynn or his character?
Yes, I think it does. I wonder in how many industries an employee could get away with saying “FU” to his or her boss. I know if a co-worker of mine said that to my boss, I’d definitely think worse of his character. Not sure why we make exceptions for pro athletes on this one.
Actively looking for red flags since my 5th grade traveling team
Because it's different
Swearing at your boss at Target isn’t the same as swearing at your coach in sports. It just isn’t. Fair isn’t equal and equal isn’t fair. My friend can bring his dog to work with him. If I tried that at Pillsbury when I worked there, I would have been in big trouble. Each work place gets to define what is within its parameters of OK.
Sorry, but that's a bs answer
Swearing at your superior is wrong wherever it happens.
Actively looking for red flags since my 5th grade traveling team
That is simply not true
You are applying your own puritanical ethical standards to everyone and every environment. You don’t get to define that for all work scenarios. They get to define it for themselves. It is these types of absolute statements on this board and others that drives so many people nuts. Instead of saying that you think it should be the case, you say it IS the case.
Spare me the moral relativism speech, please
That lecture was long enough in college. Sorry, but not everything is relative. Not everything needs to be qualified. Some things actually are the case. Swearing at your boss – unless in a joking type of manner – is not acceptable behavior.
Actively looking for red flags since my 5th grade traveling team
Maybe you should have listened to the speech in college
Hearing it obviously didn’t do the trick. It is relative and it is not absolute. If you can’t get that, I can’t help you. It will be a sad world for you to live in.
You're right, you can't help me.
Moral relativism is, to me, a fancy way of saying “I can do whatever I please and no one can judge me”.
Actively looking for red flags since my 5th grade traveling team
See, that's where to you don't get it
You can do whatever you please within the guidelines defined by your environment. I would not tell my boss to FO. I would expect, from what you say, that you would not do it either. However, Flynn may say it to Rambis without issue. I wouldn’t say it to my wife, but my buddy might say it to his without issue. His wife may have different tolerance than mine. It doesn’t make him wrong, it makes his relationship different.
If she has great tolerance
even you are implying that she is “tolerating” certain behavior, which is also making a judgment about its acceptability. If it was complete acceptable, she wouldn’t have to tolerate it.
And if each environment gets to define its own set of boundaries, that goes into a bad area. You say I can’t judge it as wrong if a husband and wife swear at each other. Is it wrong if they physically abuse each other, but are okay with a relationship that involves physical abuse? What about a polygamist relationship where all parties are consenting? Sometimes, people in an environment can accept certain behaviors that are still wrong regardless.
Actively looking for red flags since my 5th grade traveling team
Well, that is a leap
You have now moved from morality into legality which is entirely different. I do not believe that swearing at your boss is illegal in the U.S., so that is an easy issue to deal with. Maybe tolerate was the wrong word. Then again, I didn’t say anything about his wife tolerating it, I spoke of MY wife tolerating it. I actually made the hypothetical example of him saying it “without issue”.
But its illegal
because a body of people judged the behavior as bad enough to declare it illegal. In that case, legality and morality are one and the same.
“His wife may have different tolerance than mine” You did talk about tolerance in both cases. But either way, there are certain things, that even if not illegal, are not moral permissible, no matter the context.
Actively looking for red flags since my 5th grade traveling team
and yet
No body of people have judged swearing at your boss as bad enough behavior to make it illegal, so it is not the same in this case. You are trying to make an absolute where there is none. I appreciate your moral standards. They are commendable and it is great if you can abide by them. If, as a society, your standards were held to absolutely we would probably live in a nice place. However, they just don’t/can’t apply as broadly as you seem to hop.
Yeah, I mean
I hate to come off as thinking that I’m some type of “morally superior” person. I do things I’m not proud of like everyone else.
And I appreciate your point of view. Having been an athlete in HS and college and knowing how it would have been received if I had sworn at a coach, its disappointing to me when I hear examples of pros doing the same.
But you’re right that people will do it regardless and I think I have to learn to be a little less shocked by behavior that I dislike from pro athletes.
Actively looking for red flags since my 5th grade traveling team
Because he is a wet nosed
Rookie.
Breaking down cognitive dissonance and group think since gasoline was cheap.
I'd be shocked
if that was true. Love is sitting on the bench for not giving 100% effort and Flynn’s flicking off the coach from the court…. doesn’t sound quite right.
by NuthinBurger on Jul 21, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for bailing me out
I wasn’t absolute with my source, so thanks for confirmation.
Breaking down cognitive dissonance and group think since gasoline was cheap.
Huh?
If you’re referring to insolence and being a divisive element on the bench, see Luke Ridnour.
Breaking down cognitive dissonance and group think since gasoline was cheap.
No, just the FU
me being of the opinion that not nearly enough people in this sick and twisted world are told to f off.
idk
My presumption is that Yawny was very public in his FU to Rambis. To me, that moves it from ho-hum to intolerable, especially from a rook.
Breaking down cognitive dissonance and group think since gasoline was cheap.
Intolerable to you or to Rambis?
I’ve worked in two kinds of settings where people told each other to F off: very dysfunctional workplaces where everyone hated each other, and extremely well run organizations where anything went and things just kept getting better. It’s just a word, and everyone in the NBA uses it.
Would I like players to stop swearing on the court? Yes, and I still resent KG being one of the biggest reasons why the refs stopped calling as many technicals as they should.
Does it bother me if players swear at the refs or their opponents. Yes, for obvious reasons.
Does it bother me when players swear at their coaches or each other? Not at all. That just shows passion for the game.
Stiemsma, Kufos, Ridnour?
Ball’s in Your Court, Miami
Summer League is irrelevant unless it validates my opinion
by Son of Gerald Green on Jul 20, 2010 9:35 PM CDT reply actions
No balls, no glory
The ball’s definitely in their court… the Wolves pass it right to them!
On a lighter note (%) – The Rubio situation seems to get worse and worse. He may turn out to be a savior but it may not be of the Wolves, it could be of European and Spanish pro ball.
by WhiteManCantWrite on Jul 21, 2010 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Like the Ridnour signing
He will push Jonny for the starting job. Has more experience. Wake-up call for Flynn. If Rubio comes, not certain it’s Jonny who stays.
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