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Wolves Updates 7/23

Kahn say Beasley "smoked too much marijuana" and calls Webber  "kind of a schmuck" in radio interview and more

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From Tom Pelissero/1500ESPN:

But Kahn continues to speak highly of the former No. 2 overall pick's potential -- in part because Beasley has assured him he's done with dope.

"He's a very young and immature kid who smoked too much marijuana and has told me that he's not smoking anymore, and I told him that I would trust him as long as that was the case," Kahn said Thursday during an interview with 1500 ESPN Twin Cities.

"He has developed a really good support system around him this past season in Miami. He's hired people to help him grow up. He is growing up -- he's not grown up. He's 21 ... and he just turned 21 last January, and if you think back, as I do all the time, to when I was 21 and if you had given me this kind of money and put me in this kind of world with these kinds of pressures attached to it and some of the demands, I don't know (that) I would have handled it any easier than, say, he has.

 

From Pioneer Press: Wolves' Kahn defends Beasley

From Trey Kerby/Ball Don't Lie:Michael Beasley is done with marijuana, according to David Kahn

From Tom Ziller/ Fanhouse: Wolves GM: Michael Beasley 'Smoked Too Much Marijuana' in Miami

From John Krolik/ProBasketballTalk: Beasley assures new GM Kahn he isn't smoking weed anymore

From Eric Freeman/The Baseline: Michael Beasley Disappointed in Miami Because He Smoked Too Much Pot, Says David Kahn

 

 

 

From Jerry Zgoda/Star Tribune: Kahn on...

On being something of a youtube sensation for a contentious NBA TV interview with Chris Webber from NBA Summer League last week: "He's kind of a schmuck, isn't he? Methinks that he spent a lot of time on NBA TV with a former Timberwolves person and he seemed to come into the interview with an agenda. Tough questions are fine, but I felt like he was a little defensive about some of the  things."

* European center Nikola Pekovic will be "signed here shortly" and called him a 6-10, 275-pound "real brute" and "almost the kind who'd kick sand in somebody's face at the beach."

 

From The Big Lead: Timberwolves GM David Kahn Calls Chris Webber a Schmuck

From Kurt Helin/ProBasketballTalk: Kahn calls Chris Webber a "schmuck." Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.

 

 

From Yannis Koutroupis/Hoopsworld:

"I'm looking forward to it I think it's the best opportunity for my career," revealed Webster. "I already know a majority of the guys on the team. As far as getting to know the players it won't be that hard. Corey Brewer was in the same class and we played against each other before. They're cool people, Jonny Flynn and Wayne Ellington. If there's anybody I'm closest to its Kevin Love. I grew up playing with him. We're by the far the youngest team in the league but we're going to be exciting. It's going to be fun to play in the triangle offense."

Webster was able to get a crash course on the triangle offense at the Las Vegas Summer League from Coach Rambis. Rambis explained the basic parts of the offense throughout the Timberwolves' game, making a concerted effort to get Webster ahead of the game so come training camp everything's not brand new. Already becoming so engrained in the Timberwolves' system has the feelings of disappointment Webster first felt when finding out he was traded a thing of the past.

 

From Steve Aschburner/NBA.com: Crowded low post in Minnesota? It's nothing new to Love

 

From Mike McCollow/FoxSportsNorth: Milicic ready to live up to potential

 

From Camrom Ghobi/Dime Mag: One Man’s Trash is Another Man’s Treasure: The David Kahn Story

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Pot, meet Kettle

more like

Fire, meet petrol.

I think this is the first time in history one man managed to destroy an entire city by himself. Even the Enola Gay had a flight crew.

by Auswolf on Jul 23, 2010 12:01 AM CDT reply actions  

That article

should not be forced on anyone. Maybe the most misinformed piece of crap I’ve ever read.

by bbeeck on Jul 23, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did anyone read Bill Simmon's Mailbag?

The question he turns against T-Wolves seems like he’s really drawing at straws to make fun of Minnesota now.

I now believe there may be a hint of jealousy at not getting our GM job… Kahn had nothing to do with Joe Smith- Or am i missing something?

by NuthinBurger on Jul 23, 2010 2:35 AM CDT reply actions  

You're seeing that just now???

He’s been bitter about Kahn getting the job he wanted ever since it happened. His writing took a very obvious turn toward deriding the Wolves at every possible opportunity from the moment they blew off his candidacy.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jul 23, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, saw that...

…he did go out of his way to mention the Wolves 4-5 times, but I would just take the publicity. They got more mention that OKC or Utah or the Lakers for that matter. Was he REALLY a candidate for GM? I find it hard to take that prospect seriously. I mean, what are his credentials and what would put him much ahead of you or me? Fuck, if being considered for the Wolves, SnP would be 3X the GM of Bill Simmons.

by Boss10 on Jul 23, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Part of his qualifications was that only he could make the Wolves relevant again. I think at the very least Kahn has proved him wrong there.

by Achilles Fang 1 on Jul 23, 2010 11:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think he ever was a serious candidate

And that’s why he’s so pissed off. But yeah, any pub is good pub, I guess. If Kahn puts together a competitive team, he’ll look pretty foolish. I’m sure he’ll play it off as luck, but whatever. I think Kahn knows that the media’s opinion doesn’t matter and that the on-court product is what’s important.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jul 23, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, Simmons was never, ever, ever a candidate. Ever. It was a joke.

Look, people, this notion that Simmons trashes the Wolves because he was spurned as GM is a giant pile of (nonsense). Taylor took so long to even start looking that it got absurd. Simmons, rightfully, thought it was absurd and said the Wolves might as well pick him. The longer it went the more he kept saying it. It was obviously (well, I guess not) a joke from start to finish. Not for 1 millisecond did anybody in the NBA or any journalist think Simmons was a legit candidate. Never. He also did this to the Bucks. Does he trash them?
Please, people, let it die. He is a writer. Our team has sucked and made plenty of bad choices. Is he unfair at times? Yes. Who isn’t?
Just. Let. It. Die.

I'll hold your monkey.

by CaliWolf on Jul 23, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh!

Sorry, thanks for clearing it up. I haven’t read Simmons regularly in a while, so I didn’t see what people were referring to… He’s paid to be funny (a little, sometimes) and an ass (a lot, most of the time).

by Boss10 on Jul 23, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’ve heard the rumblings from CHers but just figured, well hoped, that sports writer (especially of his national prominence) might be above the 4 year old temper tantrum level

by NuthinBurger on Jul 23, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is that really any worse

than Bleacher Report saying we have the worst home uniforms of any NBA team?

Not only did they trash us, but they gave the usual props to the usual teams.

by TMiss on Jul 23, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

And just what “former Timberwolves person” on NBATV might Kahn be talking about?

Kahn’s got the people skills of a feral cat. He either can’t help himself, or he loves the attention. And when called on it, he’ll shrug, say something about the pervasive media age we’re in, people will move on, and then he’ll go piss somebody else off.

by jianfu on Jul 23, 2010 7:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Human Rorschach Test

Kahn that is. Agree totally about his people skills. Jury is out on his moves – my sense is he’s batting .600 which is a big improvement over the prior regime. But there is no doubt that he is the number one punching bag for the cool kids in th NBA. The only way out of that doghouse is to shut up and deliver. Shutting up may not be possible for the perpatatic class nerd. Delivery may be years away.

by A.K. Agikamik on Jul 23, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget..

…that Kamla also works over there and is a local product who thinks that Kahn is awful. And yeah, his people skills are a tad lacking.

Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 23, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here's my question

as a guy who sees Kahn’s moves as being not completely stupid, I do find him a bit irritating to listen to at a gut level. I appreciate that up until now he’s spoken with a very measured approach combining honesty, intelligence, and a bit of gamesmanship, but still I find him irritating to listen to in the same way I find Reusse irritating to listen to (above and beyond whatever’s coming out of their mouths). So my question is this – is Kahn AJ Pierzynski-like, or are a bunch of players merely sadists?

What I’m getting at is the sales job Kahn did on Darko, on how he hasn’t alienated Rubio yet (and if anything has slowly brought that relationship closer together), or how David Lee had a great visit, or that Wes and other guys were happy to be here (although maybe that was all about money). For the most part it seems like players who’ve actually been under contract while Kahn has been here like it/him (hard to tell). The one guy I though for sure would want to bolt (Brewer) after all he’s been through just came out and said he wants to stay. It can’t be because of all the playing time he’s guaranteed.

On the one hand Kahn seems/is super annoying, brash, and like he’d make a perfect villain on RAW, but on the other hand there appears to be a growing track record that at the very least he’s not alienating or turning off the players he has now, and at best that said players might actually like him. So I ask again, is Kahn the AJ Pierzynski of GMs? (For those who might not remember AJ or don’t know who he is, he used to be the Twins’ catcher and now catches for the White Sox. He epitomizes the kind of player who you love to have on your side and absolutely can’t stand to face because all he does is talk trash and irritate and get under your skin. He has to have one of the highest love/hate discrepancies between his home town fans and everyone else.)

"Styx might be the mullet of bands."

by biggity2bit on Jul 23, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

He has the potential..

…to be AJ-esque if he can GM at the equivalent of a .300 average. He’s not there yet, but yeah…the point being that he wears on people is a good one.

Forever splitting the Cheechakos from the Sourdoughs
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 23, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pierzynski's act

never played well in the Bay Area. I don’t think Giants fans ever took to him at all. Only part of that was that he was not putting up the same numbers he had for the Twins that sparked the trade (see ya Joe Nathan). Maybe the team and the fans had used up their jerk quota with Bonds, but Pierzynski’s release was not unpopular. And that was before the reports came out that he had kneed the team’s trainer in the balls during spring training.

by dropstep on Jul 23, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jefferson was very kind as he left

Remember that as a parting player, AJ had reason to be disgruntled or whatever, and he said very kind things about Kahn and their relationship. That interaction shows me the most about how DK handles his players. There are indications that people that leave would want to come back. You cannot buy that attitude, and you wouldn’t want to if you could.

by Zev on Jul 23, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess you are right that people that leave want to come back. Look at Brian Cardinal. We traded him away, and he came back the same year.

I understand that Kahn has made it a priority to gain a good reputation with players and their agents. Smart move.

by mnlawyer on Jul 23, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Other than, of course...

making comments about the pot-smoking habits of certain new acquisitions, which you’d have to think doesn’t sit so well.

by Kilrathi on Jul 23, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like

how the players have responded to him. That says a lot more to me than the media. His players are behind him (minus KLove) for his honesty and that’s the most important thing next to the value of his deals (which I’m also happy with).

by NYCVike on Jul 23, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kahn's interviews are unbelievable

Is it separate from his roster management? Sure. But Mike Tice as coach of the Vikings comes to mind as an example. He did a respectable job as a coach given limited support with payroll for players. However, when he opened his mouth gaffes would fly.

Kahn has crossed over into Tice territory. If part of his appeal was that he was the professional v. McHale, I think that luster is gone when it comes to PR. Calling out Webber in the interview, calling out McHale as well in a roundabout way, stating that the Thunder roster is lousy without Durant, referring to “psychological issues” (McCants) for a guy who could play again in the league, being compelled to refer to older men by their full first names (“Patrick” Reusse and “Sidney” Hartman) when that is not what they go by.

I get the feeling that he doesn’t have self-awareness for how he comes off in these interviews and pressers. He thinks he is doing a great job, and that those who don’t feel that way (Webber) must because of an agenda.

There is a simpler explanation – interviews and speeches are not his thing.

by Punisher#8 on Jul 23, 2010 9:36 AM CDT reply actions  

I think he's a little beat up

It’s got to get old having every last move questioned, mocked, and made fun of, every step of the way.

But no doubt, he should dial back on the PR circuit. Just lie low for a while.

Ironically, the same happened to McHale who treated the press with a massive chip on his shoulder.

by Rodman99 on Jul 23, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is probably the lawyer in him.

by mnlawyer on Jul 23, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't have any problem with his Webber interview

Webber deserved to be bitch-slapped. Kahn was just standing up for himself.

by Dave T on Jul 23, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stephen Jackson's home was robbed

and his wife was held at gunpoint.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/24358996/detail.html

And people wonder why so many NBA players carry guns…

Actively looking for red flags since my 5th grade traveling team

by TimAllen on Jul 23, 2010 9:54 AM CDT reply actions  

So someone interviewed Webster

and didn’t ask what he thinks about playing the 2… massive fail.

by zebano on Jul 23, 2010 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe Kahn wants to be like Cuban...

that’s kind of the way it seems, the way he talks to the press.

by Andy G on Jul 23, 2010 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

Methinks...

David Kahn should stop doing interviews for the rest of the summer, at a minimum. He’s just digging the hole deeper for himself. I know the guy must feel frustrated because he’s getting dogged by the press across the country, but he’s just making it worse by calling Chris Webber a schmuck and talking too openly about Mike Beasley’s drug problems. Honestly, LRMR must be consulting him, because his last two interviews have been the biggest PR debacles since “The Decision.”

by Hansotek on Jul 23, 2010 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Many will disagree...

but I really am starting to think the Wolves are under pressure to win games, this year. Not like 22 or 23, but more like 30+, and particularly in the first half of the season.

It would shut up the critics to a large extent. It would mean that we have at least one guy that is in the conversation for the All-Star game. It would build actual momentum for Rubio’s arrival.

Another season between 15 and 24 wins would be hugely disappointing, in my opinion. Not so much because I have high expectations for this team, but because they cannot afford another terrible season from start to finish.

If we get off to a 3-15 start and end up at 23-59, it means that Rambis, Kahn, and everything the Wolves have done to rebuild is hanging on Ricky Rubio and his becoming an all-time great player. That, and Rubio’s actual arrival in Minnesota.

by Andy G on Jul 23, 2010 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree

it’s an observation/hunch that I share with you that’s been floating around the periphery of my usual Wolves thought. I hadn’t considered that it might be pressure from Taylor, but I also get the sense sometimes that Rambis and Kahn are going to be disappointed with anything fewer than 30 wins next season.

There are two big ‘tells’ in my mind that will identify the team’s own expectations: rotations and defense. We all know that Rambis used some really wonky rotations last year, to the point where they had an almost uncanny ability to make us just bad enough to lose a game. I sometimes wonder how many games we might have won last year if Rambis just kept the hot guys in, or didn’t mysteriously substitute Hollins in for Love right as we were making a comeback in the final 8 minutes. We’ll never know, but I swear that last year’s team could’ve won 20+ with better rotations.

Defense will be the big calling card, I think. If Rambis really works at putting in his defensive schemes this year – especially early on – then that more than anything strongly suggests to me that he’s going for 30+ wins this season and that this team is 90% set personnel-wise (in other words, they’re only looking to add Rubio and perhaps one other player). What I find incredible is how disappointed I will be in Rambis as a coach if he doesn’t make this a significantly improved defensive squad. We may have questions about who our go-to scorer is, but outside of the PG position there should be a plus defender at every position (with maybe the exception of PF, which is no worse than average – equal parts smart, crafty, and athletic – as manned by Love and Beasley).

Between Webster, Brewer, and Wes we have no excuse for not locking down the perimeter each and every night. Darko is here and ostensibly starting precisely because he’s a good to great defensive presence and shot blocker in the middle. Love and Beasley should provide, at worst, competent defensive play that is only enhanced in its effectiveness by having a strong defensive presence behind them and a strong defensive presence on the wings (weak side shot blocking? yes please). The big question is going to be PG, and so I present Jonny Flynn as the canary for the season. How Rambis handles Flynn this year tells us everything we need to know about how many wins we’re going to get. Does he let Jonny play to his strengths? Does he bench him when he’s playing poorly and insert Ridnour or Sessions (again, smart rotations, not stubbornly keeping him in the game). And perhaps most of all, can Rambis coach up Flynn to not be a matador on defense? Will Rambis use PT as the trump card to get Jonny to play D? We will see.

"Styx might be the mullet of bands."

by biggity2bit on Jul 23, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

A tighter rotation would be nice...

and we know that a point guard (Sessions, most likely) will be traded before the season. Playing 8-9 guys a night means sitting 3-4 guys a night (entirely). Hopefully, guys like Hayward, Hollins, and maybe even Ellington can deal with that. As you note, the Wolves threw away a lot of important minutes, last year, in what seemed like inexplicable rotations (unless we were tanking.)

As big of an asshole as he sometimes seems, I admire the way Don Nelson tightens his rotations with terrible teams. If Curry and Ellis are his best players by a country mile, he might just play them the entire game. I wish the Wolves had done that last year, with Love and Jefferson, but I think Rambis is too conventional for that. This year, he’s got more depth and a solid 8-9 man rotation should be fine. I just hope he doesn’t feel the need to sprinkle in a little Hollins here, and a little Hayward there. Not unless we’re on a back-to-back or have injuries.

by Andy G on Jul 23, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm a bit fed up with Nelson and his act

but you hit the nail on the head with one of his great strengths. He identifies his best squad, even if it goes compoletely against convention, and adopts a strategy to best use those players. Importantly, he makes teams react to his moves. All too often I have seen the Wolves trot out horrible personnel so that they can match another team going small or big. It’s like the Wolves never learned how to identify and press their own advantages (assuming they had one or two during the season).

by dropstep on Jul 23, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

He should have grabbed Matt Barnes. Now he's off the table.

"You must submit to supreme suffering in order to discover the completion of joy."
John Calvin

by WillistonCoyote on Jul 23, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will 150% confirm...

…the pressure angle. It’s from Taylor and the business side of the isle more than anything else. They put all of their business eggs in the we-need-to-win-this-year approach and they are saying they want to compete for a playoff spot while filling the arena. I think that’s a pipe dream, but the pressure is real.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 23, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

What happens if we don’t win 30 games? Do you think their expectations are based on Kahn’s claim of an 18 month plan or was that the plan before he was hired?

Right now Kahn’s plan seems to be targeting a bigger acquisition at the trade deadline or next summer, which doesn’t really seem to fit the time line. I wonder if anything big might still happen before the season.

by Hallelujah Hollaback on Jul 23, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know...

…but I think we’ll find out.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 23, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's out there???

"You must submit to supreme suffering in order to discover the completion of joy."
John Calvin

by WillistonCoyote on Jul 23, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that is the case, why not go after some vets? Would Chris Paul be happy with Iggy, Johnson, Beasley, Milicic?

by Jaughn on Jul 23, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Talyor is holding Kahn

to his 5 opportunities to remold the team into a contender claim made at his hire.

Unfortunately, Kahn’s first draft did not provide immediate impact players, he mysteriously sat out the trade deadline, had an OK 2nd draft (but no impact players) and FA has been a mixed bag.

The schedule is going to be a huge key to the season. If we get one like 2009-10 (14 of the 1st 17 games were against .500+ teams), we are in deep trouble. Too many new parts (again) usually means a slower start. Against playoff type teams – that means lots of early losses. In this scenario, I guess we would be headed toward a low 20’s win season.

If we get a favorable schedule (lots of home games, few top 10 teams), we might be able to generate some early success and creep into the upper 20’s for wins.

But I don’t think that satisfies the masses and create positive vibes. It will be interesting to see what Taylor does.

PS – Don’t underestimate the business side of this business. It was not by chance that we will start the season with the lowest payroll in the NBA.

by Just A Fan on Jul 23, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't the plan to use that cap space at the deadline

to acquire an impact player?

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Jul 23, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope so

but right now, it is frankly saving the team a boat load of money – which I think is at least equally important.

by Just A Fan on Jul 23, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

IMO…Kahn should be fired if the wolves win less than 25 games next year.

by PoohRubio on Jul 23, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

This will be particularly true...

if Sacramento wins 40 games and Utah wins 50. If Cousins and Jefferson are noticeably better than Love, Beasley and Darko, it’ll really be a problem for Kahn.

by Andy G on Jul 23, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

Utah will be very good – frankly I like Big Al better on their team than I did Boozer. I think 50 wins is doable.

40 is too high for Sacramento. But 35-37 is very doable.

What is going to be key is how the Twolves fair against Phillie, Washington, NJ, Sac., Golden State, Clippers, and maybe even New orleans (assuming Paul is gone)

We need to be .500+ against these guys to show promise. A .333 or something along those lines means we are falling behind in our rebuilding.

by Just A Fan on Jul 23, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

I just mean that if the Wolves really suck (22 or so wins) and Sacramento has a season like recent Portland and Memphis teams have (unexpected 40+ wins) and Utah regroups with 50+ again (after losing Boozer, Korver and Okur’s achilles tendon) things will look very bad.

Like, a poor man’s KG Trade, coupled with the Foye-Roy decision. All of that at once might be more than Kahn’s job security can withstand.

by Andy G on Jul 23, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also..

….just remember how historical of a turn around they would need to have just to get to 30 wins. 15 win turn arounds don’t happen that often, especially without a huge free agent signing, trade, or a top draft pick.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 23, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

they better hope they were tanking

switching from tanking to not-tanking may help produce a large turnaround that in reality is not quite so large.

Say the Wolves win 24 games last year w/o tanking. A 6-win improvement to 30 is not all that difficult.

by littleboxes on Jul 23, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, "not tanking" should help.

At what point in the year last year did we start tanking?

Cause to me, it looked we pretty much tanked the whole year. Starting in Game 2.

by princelyfrank on Jul 23, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think in a lot of ways we did just that.

I don’t think there was ever true “tanking” but from the get go it was about expirimenting. Line-ups, minutes, trying to get information rather than trying to win at any cost. It was the smart move in a lot of ways, but has really hurt the PR part of things.

I think you can look for much more consistent rotations from early on in the season, and some clearer roles than what we saw last year.

by NYCVike on Jul 23, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hard for me to tell how much was tanking
  • Starting a rookie PG with a young backup = losses (unless it is CP3)
  • Worst wing rotation in NBA = losses
  • Playing projects like Brewer/Hollins/Pecherov/Jawaii at all = losses
  • Playing Love limited minutes = losses
  • No defense in front court = losses
  • Little defense in back court = losses
  • First year of very complex system with all new coaches = losses
  • No outside shooting = losses

How many of these will be better this year?

  • Ridnour will help somewhat if he starts
  • Somewhat improved wing rotation (still bottom 5-10 ?)
  • Fewer projects gifted minutes (Wes/Pek new but not projects)
  • Love many get more minutes – unclear with Beasley in mix
  • Frontcourt D still week
  • Moderately better D at the wings
  • Second year in complex systems, although few players returning
  • Better outside shooting

Would also help if the message is “win as much as possible” vs “develop guys and retain our pick”.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Jul 23, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good post
Somewhat improved wing rotation (still bottom 5-10 ?)

Brewer/Pavlovic/Ellington
Gomes/Wilkins

vs.

Webster/Brewer/Ellington
Johnson/Brewer/Hayward/(Beasley?)

I’ve got to disagree on that one point. I think we reeeally improved at the wing position. Both defensively and offensively. Last year’s group was a total joke. Brewer was the only player worth starting. Gomes did the best he could, but really didn’t fit the system and played better at PF for us anyway. This year everyone seems to fit their sopts much better. The big question marks are Beasley and Webster and how they’ll be played. Regardless though I think we are at least twice as good at wing than last year.

by NYCVike on Jul 23, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would put Beasley head of Hayward at sf

we will see about the wing rotation still no player will be considered any better than average starting.

by KahningPups on Jul 23, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they play Beasley at SF

He immediately moves to the top spot. Of those players I think Beasley and Johnson will be better than average by the end of the year at least. Johnson is a crap-shoot as all rookies are, and for Beasley its all about defense. We know he’s an elite scorer, but will the balance of his D turn him into an average player?

by NYCVike on Jul 23, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it is definitely better

The question is, how far above 30 are they now?

There are a lot of really good SFs in the NBA right now. Durant, Lebron, Carmello, Rudy, Truth, Granger, GWallace, Deng, Butler, …

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by Wile E Coyote on Jul 23, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question

Is GWallace more of a 4 or 3? Or does he play both pretty equally? For some reason I think of him as a 4…

by NuthinBurger on Jul 23, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

GWallace

is either a 2 or a 3, but more of a 3. He’s definitely not a 4 even on a team as small as the Bobcats.

by ynotsema2 on Jul 23, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

He played a fair amount of 4 last year. He can guard stretch 4s successfully and rebounds well enough for the position. You don’t stick him on Boozer and ask him to get stops, but he can play the position from time to time.

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by cap'n hack on Jul 23, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rudy, Deng and Butler need to be taken off that list. They’re good, but definitely a step below the other guys on that list.

You might have to take LeBron off that list too when he’s playing the point in Miami.

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by cap'n hack on Jul 23, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is the only way i'm ok with

the Heat’s situation. If Lebron becomes the next Magic and plays point- I’d love to watch that

by NuthinBurger on Jul 23, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would think going from 15 to 30

is easier than going from 35 to 50. Just putting in effort and having some semblance of talent will win you some home games during the dog days of the schedule.

I can see JAF’s point about the schedule at the beginning of the year being key.

If there is one person that needs to prove themselves this year, it might be Rambis. His system is not easy to assimilate, and he can grate on players apparently. Some wins might bring some much needed buy-in/effort/willingness to learn. That may snowball into a few more wins. Starting the year off 2-10 may torpedo Kurt’s efforts the rest of the year, as the team loses hope and interest early.

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by Wile E Coyote on Jul 23, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

or a top draft pick the caliber of

Kevin Durant.

30 will be well nigh impossible this season. The talent will be better, but it will also take some time for all the new players to start to play together as a team.

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by uncle rico on Jul 23, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was either patience and tolerance for the home boy

or those nasty incriminating pictures some were speculating about. Kahn won’t last as long as McHale if he doesn’t start winning soon.

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by uncle rico on Jul 23, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

That last point..

…is very important. Keep in mind that they’re practically giving away season tickets and that the merchandise/ad revenue stream is essentially dead. Moor and Wright have just as much skin in this game as Kahn and it will be interesting to see if the plan to use the cap space to bring in a player with a lopsided trade is given the go-ahead.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 23, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can understand the $$ side

but to win in the marketplace they need to win on the court.

In looking at our wing rotation, the first thing that comes to mind is “consolidation”. We have too many guys who need minutes and no clearly “above average” guys. Isn’t the logical next step to trade cap space + one or more of those guys for an above average wing? Wouldn’t have to be Iggy – who might be too old for Kahn’s taste. Could be a younger player about to explode + a bad contract that does not extend past a year or two.

If the team does nothing, what happens, for example, to Brewer? If Beasley plays significant minutes at the 3, I think a lot of the remaining wing minutes go to Wes, Martell, and perhaps even Ellington (floor spacer). Brewer is in a contract year and is going to have a tough time getting DNPs after playing such a major role last year.

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by Wile E Coyote on Jul 23, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not like Iguodala isn't young.

The guy is 26. He actually fits pretty well with this team age wise as a young veteran, and the nice thing about him is that he fits great with the other players we have on the wing (he’s not a great shooter, but he’d always be next to an above average shooter).

by Esohny on Jul 23, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Brewer doesn't want DNPs he needs to compete like everybody else.

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by WillistonCoyote on Jul 23, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

Brewer’s destined role is a 15 minute defensive stopper with average offense.

by fan44 on Jul 23, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not worried about "consolidation"

I’m interested in competition. Its the thing that can turn a mediocre player into a good one. If a guy like Martell Webster establishes himself as the best 2 we have in trainging camp then he’ll have all the confidence to play up to a standard with the added motivation of knowing that he has to stay there or C-Brew will step up and take it. Its not a problem, its a solution.

by NYCVike on Jul 23, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno

I would love to see someone step up and perform much better than they have in the past. But that doesn’t happen often for a player like Brewer or Martell who’ve been in the league several years.

It reminds me of the KG years when I used to argue with friends about how much Peeler should play vs. Hassell, or how much Chris Carr should play. In the end it didn’t matter because all were very mediocre. We need some cream that will naturally rise to the top.

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by Wile E Coyote on Jul 23, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed about the cream rising to the top

the problem is this team has more soy beans than milk.

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by uncle rico on Jul 23, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping

that everyone is forced to take relatively less minutes because they are so gassed from running the Triangle Showtime System.

by fan44 on Jul 23, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

hopefully Wes, Web, and Brew are constantly subbed cuz they’re tired from running the floor and dunking on people

by NuthinBurger on Jul 23, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

from a Market perspective

the Twolves could be in serious trouble:

1 – All signs point to the Twins being competitive / playoff bound

2 – All signs point to Favre coming back

3 – the Wild have made several good FA signs and have restocked the farm team.

The Twolves have been on the verge of being irrelevant for the last 2 years. If we get another barely 20+ win season, I think they will be sold/moved within 2 years because there will be no way to rebuild the fan base quick enough to stem the losses.

by Just A Fan on Jul 23, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

and so long as you need cable to see the Wolves

they’ll never have a shot at owning this market no matter how bad the Wild, Vikes or Twins may be.

by TMiss on Jul 23, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

apathy hurts

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 23, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

the big unknown is Rubio. Honestly, if there was one player who could immediately provide a measurable boost for one year in fan interest in this market it is Rubio. I think no matter what happens this year Kahn will get until next summer because of his relationship with the kid. His (Kahn’s) job might boil down to whether or not he can get the kid over here. What is amazing is that it almost doesn’t even matter if Rubio has mind blowing skills or not – he’s just got to be able to go out there and entertain and tease enough/show enough talent and people will watch. If we didn’t have Rubio’s rights right now, the Kahn deathwatch would already be counting down.

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by biggity2bit on Jul 23, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sadly, you could be right.

The T-Wolves are a tough sell right now. Our saviors will be Kevin Love, Michael Beasley and Ricky Rubio. If anything happens where these guys aren’t the heart of the team, we may well be sunk.

by NYCVike on Jul 23, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

The TWolves shop site

is appalling.

Randy Foye images still loaded, Mike Miller jersey’s for sale. 12 months ago they still trying to sell Ricky Davis gear. Hopelessly out of date.

I think this is the first time in history one man managed to destroy an entire city by himself. Even the Enola Gay had a flight crew.

by Auswolf on Jul 23, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

But where else can you get a Poor Richardson jersey

for half price?

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by uncle rico on Jul 23, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm doing my part. I'm buying new gear.

But they need to crank out some “Darko” “Johnson” and “Beastly” Ts.

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John Calvin

by WillistonCoyote on Jul 23, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the perpetual rebuilding hurts merchandise sales

My wife has asked the last few years if I wanted a jersey for Christmas/Birthdays. I would have said yes if I’d felt certain that player wouldn’t be traded 2 weeks later.

Until the Wolves establish a core and start building around it, it is tough to get excited about individual players and want to buy their jerseys.

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by Wile E Coyote on Jul 23, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you two related, by the way?

Actively looking for red flags since my 5th grade traveling team

by TimAllen on Jul 23, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not that I'm aware of

but Coyotes really keep rather spotty family records.

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by Wile E Coyote on Jul 23, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Mormons may be able to help out there.

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Mark Twain

by uncle rico on Jul 23, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Mormons..

…have a way with genealogy. Something about performing proxy marriages on the dead…

Despite the outright weirdness, they (along with Seminole Creek tribal roles) were able to trace my wife’s family back to the 1500s. Dutch traders who came over to what is now Deleware and married into the local population before heading down to Florida and then to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears.

My side of the family is decidedly less glamorous. French butchers and farmers from Alsace Lorraine who came to the US through the port of New Orleans and Brooklyn…and who decided that these two cities weren’t good enough for them before moving to Illinois and Iowa. We only have them traced back to the mid 1800s.

Whatever the case, it’s a fantastic hobby that everyone should try and it is something that should lead everyone to start a living history project within their own family. Video tape your grandparents and great grandparents. Call up overseas relatives and record their stories on Skype. It’s pretty cool what you can do with genealogy these days.

OK, public service announcement is over.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 23, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

N'awlins and Brooklyn before moving on?

Now we see where the Stop N Pop handle comes from. And all along I thought it was a reference to a former Wolves PG.

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by uncle rico on Jul 23, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any thoughts on where to start? My Dad’s Dad’s side of the family is traced back through the 1860’s in Connacht, but I have three wings to go.

by Punisher#8 on Jul 24, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I started with local libraries...

…and public records when I went to family reunions. My wife is Native American so that part of the family was fairly easy to trace, especially since her ancestors were on the Trail of Tears and there is a bunch of research on that event. I had a lot of success working with local almanacs (the relatives worked in ag-related businesses so they popped up every now and then in auction notices, sales records, etc). The trick is finding the port of entry when they came to the country. If you can find that, then it can point you in all sorts of cool directions. My great grandma came in through New Orleans and she declared that she was off to Iowa City to live with her sister.

I’d also interview each and every single person over 70 and ask them to give you a complete run down on what they remember. My great grandma remembers her great great grandma and that took me back well into the 1800s. Also, don’t just look for your direct line. Look for brothers and sisters. Extended families were all over the place 100 years ago and there were lots of name changes and whatnot. My surname is Arch but when we came over from France it was Archer and 50 years before that it was Archambault. We were from a border region with Germany and the relatives spoke “gutter German” which can roughly be described as a European version of Tejano. The surname wasn’t even consistent. They had names like Hans Archambault and Jean Paul Koestner. All of the inconsistencies seemed to stop around the time they hit an American port, so finding that port of entry is important. Who did they come with? Did they declare anything? Were there any other records other than a name? Stuff like that.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jul 24, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Williston Coyotes are from North Dakota

…and Wile E. is from the Southwest (but that doesn’t make it impossible)
I’m 100% Scandihoovian, if that helps.

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by WillistonCoyote on Jul 23, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was just thinking the same thing

If they’re really all-in on Ricky, they need to show him that there’s something to work with here. Another <25 win season isn’t going to get it done. If they can’t sell hope to the kid, the chances he’ll opt to come over seem pretty slim.

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by Xand1 on Jul 23, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed completely

Which is funny when I saw who the poster was…

To me, the win totals aren’t so important this year for their own sake — it’s the fact that “going all in on Rubio” means we darn well better start winning so that he’ll actually want to come over. I don’t care what the win column says this year per se, so long as there’s momentum and excitement and some sort of sense of future possibility that will convince Rubio to join us.

by Kilrathi on Jul 23, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ridnour's style might help usher in the Rubio Era

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Will Rogers

by WillistonCoyote on Jul 23, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

This team is too young and inexperienced to be a winner

Kahn is doing the right thing by accumulating the right kind of young talent and leaving the rest (i.e., Al, Gomes) go. Step 2 is up to Rambis. It would be really stupid of Taylor to think about winning this year. Now, if you tell me the Wolves are not going to spend that cap space until Rubio gets here, I would say that’s Taylor speaking. The Wolves goal this year is to be interesting, not to win. The fans have to be able to see where this is heading, and the players have to be skilled enough that we can all see the light at the end of the tunnel. Another year like last year would be a disaster. Come to think of it, Rambis might have deliberately lost some of those winnable games last year so that the bar would be set very low.

by Dave T on Jul 23, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only thing that truly annoys me about this interview with Kahn

is that this is the guy who shut down Kevin Love’s Twitter. F#%ing hypocrite.

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Jul 23, 2010 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

I can't fault Kahn for that

I only got chewed out once when I worked in politics, and that was for successfully fielding a WHO reporter’s questions over the phone. I was not authorized to speak to the press, and I was lucky I said the right things. Very few organizations authorize more than one person to speak for the team. Twittering is only OK when player tweets aren’t about team business.

To allow otherwise would create an enormous backlog of player chatter that would start intra-team feuds and wild rumors.

by TMiss on Jul 23, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ehh

It was a text message from McHale to Love that got out. The onus goes both ways there. Take 845 weeks to announce that you are firing the GM who was there before you (umm…. yeah…. Which to be fair, now that we know how Kahn works, McHale would have been a perfect complement had they been able to work together) and then wait long enough for a text and twitter message to be posted (which granted, can be very fast) before telling anyone and you don’t expect a guy who is close with the entire team and hoping to go into broadcasting to let that rumor slip? A slap on the wrist and a warning should do. No reason to shut it down… especially when we need a public figure on our team so badly. I know there were a couple other reasons, but I never saw any of them as a reason to get rid of free advertising (most companies would kill for that).

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by Mplax on Jul 23, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps if we do win 30 games

The Kahn as Pinata storyline will lose steam. While I’m all for the “refreshing honesty” approach, when your franchise is already a national joke it just seems off-putting to others to be calling ex-players shmucks and saying “methinks”. Or maybe just weird.

Until we get out of the gutter and win games (and not praise Kahn because David Lee had a “really good visit”) I will settle for the bland, corporate approach to the media. He doesn’t need to entertain me. The team on the court does.

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by Son of Gerald Green on Jul 23, 2010 12:09 PM CDT reply actions  

"Schmuck" just about covers it...

…unprofessionalism from an NBA-TV announcer.
I thought Webber’s behavior was unnecessarily rude.
You don’t act that way as a host of a nationally
televised show.

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by WillistonCoyote on Jul 23, 2010 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Kahn was fined for his Beasley comments

$50 grand.

Actively looking for red flags since my 5th grade traveling team

by TimAllen on Jul 23, 2010 3:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Damn!

That’ll teach him. Shut. Up.

by NYCVike on Jul 23, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we need Dave Wohl for Kahn's spokesman.

"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction."
Will Rogers

by WillistonCoyote on Jul 23, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

When you think about it

Beasley DID smoke too much pot in Miami, and Chris Webber IS kind of a schmuck.

It was definitely not very professional to say either thing over the airwaves, but he’s keeping things entertaining I guess. I actually think he doesn’t mind having all the criticism for the wolves centered around him, it takes a little heat off of everyone else.

Also, props to him on being the first person ever to use the words “schmuck” and “methinks” in the same interview. Nice.

by Dumbhead62 on Jul 23, 2010 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Yea sometimes I wonder about that

Is it possible that Kahn is doing this on purpose? By keeping all eyes on him, his coach and players can quietly go about their business.

With the media piling on him, every NBA fan is going to be paying attention to what this team does this year (though initially it will just be to pile on Kahn some more). If the boys surprise people and get a couple big wins, this could really help get some national publicity and recognition for the team.

by Cobra312004 on Jul 24, 2010 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is a rather optimistic theory.

by Punisher#8 on Jul 24, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

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