Wolves Trade Sessions!
by sftomn on Jul 26, 2010 8:01 PM CDT
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PrintAccording to the Northern Ohio Morning Journal. Wolves apparently send:Ryan Hollins, Ramon Sessions, and a 2nd rounder and get back Delonte West (who will be cut, according to older articles, I think) and Sebastian Telfair. Seems like the Kahnster has gone full circle on telly. This strikes me as another mostly cap-freeing move, though it will be even more important to me to have Hollins out of the front-court rotation. Telfair could serve as a backup PG, depending on the injury situation - maybe Jonny's hip is worse than we've heard?
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A bit strange?
Why not keep him around for a 3rd PG given Flynn’s injury? We’re already committed to his salary.
Agreed
And where does that leave Koufos?
Or are we going to bring Steimsma (?sp) in?
And of course no Pekovic yet.
If Bassy is waived we are down to 11. I gather OKC are at 16. Could we pinch White or Mullens for cap space?
I think this is the first time in history one man managed to destroy an entire city by himself. Even the Enola Gay had a flight crew.
by Auswolf on Jul 26, 2010 8:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
See, that's just it . . .
. . . Bassy knows he’ll be picked up by SOMEbody for the minimum, so I’m guessing Kahn’s on the phone with his agent right now saying, “We’ll buy him out for his current salary less whatever you can get for him from somebody else.” The team then saves even more money than if they were to just pay the guy to provide a taller alternative to Flynn.
All of the people here who have celebrated the departures of Ollie, and Sasha, and Cardinal—rejoice while you can, because this year’s roster’s going to have to be filled out by a bench full of Dennis Fembos.
Yep
Shaved another $3 million off our cap number this year assuming West is bought out.
Welcome back Bassy!
Hope it sticks, he’s a good guy.
Would he suit the new offense?
Like Beas..
He smokes a ton of weed, or at least did back in 07 when my boy DJ Fu and his boy would sell to him.
by NorthernLights666 on Jul 26, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Stupid
I was actually saying this exact trade a few days ago but I was saying we should get the 2nd rounder. How is getting $1.5M off the books for Hollins (his extra year minus Delonte’s buyout) to just salary dump Sessions worth getting rid of a pick?! Sessions alone is well worth dumping that much money. Stupid.
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by Mplax on Jul 26, 2010 8:14 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
yeah
but its still extra value traded away. You figure that we should get the pick since we’re giving up the best player in the deal (Sessions), especially since we’re just going to cut/buyout west and bassy
by NuthinBurger on Jul 26, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Not crazy about this.
I thought the 2nd rounder would be coming back to us… not goint out.
And, we can’t just flip West to another team, correct?
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I think Kahn is playing the
“how low can you get the payroll” game. The trick is that the more he wins, the more we lose.
Actively looking for red flags since my 5th grade traveling team
He's punted the rebuilding effort to next season
This is the second year in a row he’s dropped back to punt. I see virtually no improvement. It’s just different names on the back of the jerseys when they trudge to the locker room after a loss.
by Rascal Flatts on Jul 26, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
don't agree with the 'punt' view
we’ve already gotten much better than last year and have a team that still has a decent amount of cap space and assets (future picks, young/cheap solid players). This team is being set up pretty well for Rubio, and i hope against hope that something happens at the deadline.
by NuthinBurger on Jul 26, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I will argue that we are as good to barely better than last year, not much better
We gave up our second best player for cap space, lost steady vets in Gomes and Wilkins, and generally signed rookies and career underachievers as the new blood. By the way, I’m not necessarily arguing against any one of these moves. That’s a different debate. I’m just stating what I see: A roster that is still far short of the talent required to play competitive basketball. I think high teens is a reasonable estimate for wins.
by Rascal Flatts on Jul 26, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're
underestimating how much better we will be on the wings. And I don’t think the Jefferson loss will be that big because i think overall our frontcourt is better than last year: Beasley, Love, Darko (Pek?) > Jeff, Love, Hollins, Darko (1/2)
but then again thats just my opinion. Can’t wait till we can see where these predictions will go.
by NuthinBurger on Jul 26, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
We are so much better than last year.
Hollins, Pavlovic, Wilkins all saw big minutes. Those guys are terrible. Losing Al means we see more of Love which is a good thing IMO. Darko will surprise everybody with how good he will be. Our new core team is officially built and its Love, Johnson, Rubio, Beasley and maybe Webster. Its a good team. All this whining about not maximizing value of our backup players is a joke. The core team is way better.
There is no way a league like the NBA will ever give "great" value for a player like Sessions.
Delonte West is probably the best possible value the Wolves would have ever gotten for Sessions to begin with. And that’s only because the Wolves get financial relief. You don’t give up draft picks, financial relief and an attractive player for a backup PG whose had a few good games in the NBA. It’s not how the NBA works.
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Sessions > -$500,000 (I would absolutely not pay half a mil just to be rid of Sessions)
+
Hollins + 2nd Rounder < Bassy
or
$4.5M + 2nd Rounder < $2.5M (numbers obviously not exact)
=
Rights to pay Sessions FMV + Second Rounder > $1.5M
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
In a world...
where there is a professional league that creates super teams only thought possible when selecting “Fantasy Draft” on your NBA2K franchise option screen, I’m all for loading up on young talent. The only way the Minnesotas, or Portlands, or Oklahoma Citys are going to compete with the Coastal powers, is by getting lucky with young talent, or in our case, really lucky with Darko. (Please note that I in no way shape or form see us on the same level as the other two afformentioned teams, just merely stating what seems to be a reality in the NBA) Go Darko!!
Hollinger's take (via Twitter)
If they waive West, T’wolves just traded last year’s two free agent signings for a No. 3 point guard. Remind me again what the plan is here?
At least Hollinger isn't the GM of the Wolves.
Take solace in that.
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Is the argument here that Hollinger knows more about basketball than Kahn?
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We'd have
Curry and Cousins :)
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Yeah.
Not taking Curry was clearly a mistake. Question is how the Wolves move on. I’m not trying to pile on Kahn as it’s easy for many to do. I just don’t know that John Hollinger knows as much about the NBA as people give him credit for.
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Yeah
I guess you have to hope that he uses some good ole fashioned thought every once in a while and not just be PER GM.
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I'm not a fan of PER.
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And I'm not against advanced stats.
Just don’t like PER.
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He is a pretty thoughtful guy
Even without including PER. He’s honest, doesn’t parrot the consensus, and makes some good observations. He’s not just a stats geek. I think that guys like him and Kevin Pelton are some of the better analysts out there. They’re both good at explaining things by observation or statistics separately, and most often they’re at their best when combining the two.
Pelton works for the Pacers now in some fashion. He's worked for the Sonics in the past.
What NBA team has hired Hollinger?
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None, to my knowledge
That doesn’t really change my views about him at all. I respect what he has to write, and his statistics are a pretty solid measurement (and sometimes predictor) of player quality. He admits himself that there are notable imperfections, and that that his stats need to be taken in context. He seems acutely aware and measured when he writes. I get the same feeling when reading Pelton.
As for possible job offers, he’s got a pretty cushy job at ESPN already. Plus I have no way of knowing whether he’s ever been offered or has considered an NBA stats job. Pelton has a lot more to gain by taking his services from the less lucrative Basketball Prospectus to an NBA job.
Okey Doke.
Then, what’s Dean Oliver’s excuse?
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Oliver works for the Nuggets.
Or he did. Not sure if he still does.
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He also adds:
“On a related note, my offseason losers column runs tomorrow. Already filed before this trade. Let’s just say I won’t need to add any teams.”
Expect to hear from Kahn
any minute now through his sock puppet.
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Sock puppet's name
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Kahn gets rid of guys he signed to Multi Year deals last off-season...Exactly what is the plan????
Kahn is a fucking moron
Next year
we’ll trade Luke Ridnour, Darko Milicic and a 2nd rounder for someone else’s non-guaranteed deal.
Actively looking for red flags since my 5th grade traveling team
Well, to be fair to Kahn . . .
Sessions and Hollins were both brought on by McHa . . .
Oh, wait.
Well, at least he gave Hollins and Sessions plenty of time to prove . . .
Oh, wait.
It’s stunning to me that a man who signs not one but two younger free agents to longer term contracts, and then after less than a year of tanking and learning and developing decides to peddle them for nothing. And yet, we’re supposed to believe that this moron can tell the difference between Luke Ridnour and Ramon Sessions.
Does anybody here really believe he has the capability to do anything other than cut payroll?
Yeah
It lacks…elan.
I have to say: you were absolutely right. The central function of Kahn is to minimize payroll. Clearly, that was and remains the key concern. He’s done a terrific job of that; frankly, it couldn’t be better. He has a chance to be right at the minimum. Taylor must be thrilled about the hire.
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by Eric in Madison on Jul 26, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I like being right
except about this. I can’t even say I blame Taylor, and if given the choice between being a fan of the Seattle Supersonics and the Minnesota Timberwolves, I’ll gladly choose to bleed whatever weird shade of blue that is the Wolves’ road uniform this week.
I’m guessing that either subtley or unsubtley this was communicated to the other GM candidates prior to Kahn’s hiring, and they skedaddled away as politely as possible. Still, it’s hard to watch this car crash rust into dust before our very eyes.
At least Kahn is entertaining, and since he’s become such an easy target for aggression, I’ve stopped beating my kids.
As much.
For now.
Well
to be sort of an optimist, this could be looked at as Kahn being willing to admit a mistake and moving forward. I see tthree big mistakes he has made so far, the first being Flynn over Curry, which can’t really be fixed. The second was the Telfair, Rhino, Mad Dog deal which never made sense when Telfair could have stayed here on a shorter deal than Sessions. The third was signing Hollins. He has effectively wiped out two mistakes in one night.
Am I happy about this, no, but most GM’s tend to keep players they sign to bad deals rather than admit to a mistake. This may not be as bad as it appears on first glance. Let’s also remember, they didn’t exactly have a ton of money to spend on free agents last summer, and even then there were few FAs willing to come here.
Now the big question is, do they do something with the cap space, or think we are fools that will buy tickets for a team fighting to get above minimum payroll?
This move isn't that bad.
Sessions didn’t provide the veteran guidance to Flynn that he so obviously needed. Sessions didn’t function very well in the offense Rambis was running. Hollins was a waste of space on our roster whose only meaningful contribution to the team was keeping Love off of the court. Sure it was a negative thing, but it was still meaningful.
This trade doesn’t improve our roster one bit. However, it does two things that shouldn’t be overlooked: 1) continues a pattern of Kahn doing right by the players; 2) clears away clutter from the roster.
Would it have been nice to get something in return for Sessions? Absolutely. What exactly do we think Sessions was worth? Let’s consider the following: 1) he was a late second round pick; 2) last summer, as a restricted free agent, the team that drafted him decided to let him go for nothing just so they wouldn’t have to run the risk of paying him $4M a year if they couldn’t find a trade partner at the deadline; 3) he spent last season being poorly used by one of the worst teams in the league, thus damaging his trade value; 4) he’s only had one respectable season in the league, so it’s not like he’s a sure thing to bounce back.
I think getting a second rounder from a team that should be one of the worst in the league is a reasonable haul for a player of questionable value. And if we have to give up a second rounder to move these two guys that’s not so bad either considering that it will be our 2012 pick at the earliest (2011 is headed to Miami in the Beasley trade). [I’ve heard it reported both ways.]
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Don't forget
these signing were before Rambis was hired I believe. That was probably what really killed there chance of sticking around.
by NYCVike on Jul 26, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed on Sessions....
….he was our best point guard last year. Hopefully he’s successful in Cleveland and finds a home, he’s too good to be on his 3rd team in 4 years.
As for Hollins, it seems like a double edged sword for me. On the one hand, you criticize Kahn for signing a guy to a long term deal in the first place…..but at the same time, he was able to trade him for cap space and basically give him a 1 year tryout (which obviously didn’t work out).
Boos for the initial contract mistake, cheers for being able to rectify it somewhat.
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Stop, Flynn was better
Ridnour is better. Rubio will be better.
Sessions was a 3rd string this year and 4th next. We did him a favor by trading him.
by ChicagoViking on Jul 26, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
uh....2 more point guards?
ay yay yay. More fodder for the haters.
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Will Rogers
by WillistonCoyote on Jul 26, 2010 9:24 PM CDT reply actions
Love What Kahn is doing here
It’s all leading up to the trade deadline of 2015. Or quite possibly the Summer FA period of 2017. Or perhaps have a payroll similar to the Flint Tropics
Summer League is irrelevant unless it validates my opinion
by Son of Gerald Green on Jul 26, 2010 9:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Kahn's Comment about Delonte West
He’s a very immature kid who had too much sex with Gloria James and has told me he won’t have sex with my mother, and I told him that I would trust him as long as that was the case
by TonyO on Jul 26, 2010 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 11 recs
To which I say with 100% certitude
LeBron can head south but his momma will be riding West.
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by Flagrant on Jul 26, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
damn
don’t think that link works… maybe
http://kissmyasslebron.bigcartel.com/product/you-can-head-south-but-your-mom-rides-west
by NuthinBurger on Jul 26, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
ok...
…we’re stealing that for our twitter page. ;)
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I like the trade.
We can now look forward to a lot of Flynn and Ridnour, without Sessions pouting on the bench. We get rid of Hollins, who was given ample chances last year to prove something, which he didn’t. We just got better by subtraction.
That one time
you know… when he said he was looking forward to competing for the starting spot. He was so sassy and pouty when he said that…
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
Incidentally, Jonny would have riding the pine early on
If it was based on pouting on the bench.
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Are you the same guy that's tired of Love's Negative Attitude?
I like the trade.
We can now look forward to a lot of Flynn and Ridnour, without Sessions pouting on the bench. We get rid of Hollins, who was given ample chances last year to prove something, which he didn’t. We just got better by subtraction.
Summer League is irrelevant unless it validates my opinion
by Son of Gerald Green on Jul 26, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry, meant to put quotes around the above text
Summer League is irrelevant unless it validates my opinion
by Son of Gerald Green on Jul 26, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm going defend Kahn
1. They take in $3.2 Million in Salary Commitment. They send out $17.5 Million Dollars in Salary Commitment
2. Considering the draft picks we have is a future 2nd really worth getting up in arms over.
3. You weren’t getting much for Sessions after the Ridnour signing.
4. Sessions wasn’t a great fit with what they wanted to do. Hollins was a fringe rotation player at best.
5. Kahn had two signings they didn’t work- so he dumped the contracts. I think John Hollinger and a lot of posters here are being “Drama Queens”.
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 26, 2010 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Agreed
The consensus seems to be that having cap flexibility is a great asset in today’s NBA, particularly with a lockout looming next year. So if we can get even more without having to give up any core players, then good call. Add in the fact that we got rid of a bad contract in Hollins, and it makes it a + for the Wolves in my mind.
Of course, because it’s Kahn, the national sentiment is going to be “OMG he got EVEN MORE point guards, and THUGS at that! KAAAAHHHHHN!” with a Delonte’s mom joke thrown in. Oh well, what else is new.
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I'm sure the remaining fans will be
Overjoyed that we have yet again lowered our cap space and likely not get much for it.
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I disagree
most of that 17.5M was a positive value of salary. That 3.2M in salary is 100% negative since we will just be paying it for absolutely no one.
Just put up a fanpost, influenced by this, but not completely based on it. But I think this is basically:
Sessions, a second rounder, and $3.2M for contract buyouts for Cleveland taking on Hollins’ extra year.
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
I don't know about positive value
Is Sessions’s contract any better than the ones that went to Ridnour, Farmar, Blake, and Lowry this year? I think his contract is about equal to market value.
And the Hollins $4.8 M of that $17.5 M is certainly negative. By adding the $2.7 M from Telfair and the West 500k buyout, we positively reduced our negative contracts.
I can't speak for Hollins
but on behalf of the other “Drama Queens,” I have to ask: are you really defending a guy for getting rid of salary that HE INCURRED??!! One year after signing the contracts? And then you justify him not “getting much after the Ridnour signing”—who exactly made the unfortunately-timed Ridnour signing? Kevin McHale? Jack McCloskey? Who were the Wolves bidding against for Ridnour, anyway? People without access to his stats as a starter?
Why for one moment should we think that a year from now the sentiment won’t be, “I’m going to defend Kahn. Ridnour wasn’t a great fit for what they wanted to do. Darko was a fringe rotation player at best.”?
by PoorDick on Jul 26, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Bring back Trader Jack!!
Oh, wait, he’s here already.
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The original signings were worth an effort
They didn’t work- he dumped the contract.
I’m far from a Kahn Fanatic. My desire for Stephen Curry and DMC was pretty clearly stated. I just can’t say this is a trade I have a strong negative reaction against.
I wasn’t nuts about the Ridnour singing. But if they feel he’s a Veteran Leader- the investment isn’t so bad in terms of dollars. Ridnour generally has a Positive Warp (Which would be like an All-Star on Last Year’s Team).
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 26, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Activity should never be confused with achievement.
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yeah
but if you even say that Ridnour=Sessions (I’d argue R>S cuz of fit) but then we essentially just cut 2 years off of Hollins’ deal with Telfair’s (who may be a better contributor if not cut), and got a 2nd rounder…
This is obviously to say nothing of asset maximization, but I don’t think we got the worse of the deal
by NuthinBurger on Jul 26, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
How is that
Related to the point of Jose’s post? What you wrote may be pertinent to Kahn’s activity, but it just comes off as a misdirected cliche. He was commenting on the moves qualitatively, not praising the amount of activity per se.
Let me play devils advocate (as a Kings fan no less) here
If Kahn had a bunch of PG’s, and a bunch of them under contract, how is he supposed to treat that roster inbalance?
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Hopefully this will help fuel the “fire Kahn” bandwagon.
On the plus side… We no longer have Ryan Hollins! Small victories!!!
Talking myself into DeMarcus Cousins since 5/18/10
+1 to small victories
Seeing Hollins and Jawai on the floor last season was a bit of a slap to the face.
Telfair/Koufos
We’ll know Jonny is healthy (enough) when Telfair goes. Otherwise, makes sense to have a one year contract guy as opposed to Sessions.
Koufos here until Pek actually signs, I would guess. Kinda short Cs until then.
This is an OK move for us and Sessions. Why not save his cap dollars?
We have so little money committed next year. Who’s the big three? Oh wait, lockout. We still have to pay the players during a lockout. Maybe the plan is to pay as little as possible to lose as little as possible. A little cynical, but we’re on the right track.
I guess Telfair will stay
Jonny out for a while. Hope Ridnour is good/stays healthy. They did play Wayne at PG a little last year. Very little.
by ChicagoViking on Jul 26, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Even if Ridnour gets hurt or is out for a game or two..
We’re used to having Bassy start, it’s not that bad.
good move and bad news
Like the trade/ don’t like the Jonny news. I’d like to see if Jonny can take it to the next level. I’ll guess we’ll have to wait like with Love’s hand.
by ChicagoViking on Jul 26, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you remember the last lockout?
The owners don’t pay the players during the lockout. That’s specifically why the lockout worked last time. The players had committed to spending their income wantonly and a lot of them fell upon real hard times as a result of not getting paid. I believe the players will be better prepared for this next one, but I’m not sure if that’s a good thing. While it means that the owners won’t get as many concessions from the players (which I view as a good thing because I’m in favor of the working class – even if that working class is making more in a year than most Americans make in a lifetime), it also means that the lockout will probably last longer and may result in canceling the season entirely. As much as I love hockey, my winters need some basketball too.
Ex-Timberwolves succeed after they leave
With Jefferson in Utah and Sessions in Cleveland and both likely to succeed it is a bit of a change pace from our usual pile of garbage that does nothing after they leave. Err, except that KG character.
So two players that will not be in the top 10 player rotation
Are moved from a team that won 15 games. I’m not sure what the drama is. 2nd round pick, or no second round pick. If the Wolves need a second round pick they can buy one next year for one million dollars. The fact that Wolves can move these two contracts at all means there was some value in them. If the Wolves can sign Rubio next year, do well with their lottery pick and somehow convince, trade, barter or steal a top flight player to join the squad… ("So you’re saying there’s a chance?)
We already have a few Eurostashes, so losing a 2nd rounder to not have the salary
= a good trade when you’re dealing with 3rd stringers like Sessions/Hollins.
by ChicagoViking on Jul 26, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Is this maybe they best offer they received?
West had a reasonably valuable contract. It’s probably the equivalent of a Mid-Late 1st Round Pick. I’m not nuts about the Bassy/Hollins swap (But if Hollins ain’t getting any run). A 2013 Second doesn’t do much either way.
It might be worth a mid-late first round pick
to a team that is over the cap. Or to a team that is contending and already has a full roster of players that are more productive than first rounders.
None of that describes our team.
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
I'm actually not that against Taylor being cheap
Why should he blow money keeping or bringing in players around who probably won’t effect the Bottom-Line Win Total or Revenue Total that much?
He’s under no obligation to lose $ 15 Million dollars a year more- so the Team can get 3 Million more in Production.
by Jose Cordoba on Jul 26, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not against Taylor being cheap either
I think he should be, in fact. But that’s not even close to what this is about. Hence the Ridnour signing for the same contract with an extra year and then paying another $500,000 to get rid of Sessions (though to be fair, we did get rid of Hollins’ extra year).
Don’t know where you got that $15M/yr from (I have a guess :-p ), but it sure seems to me like they just signed Ridnour to do exactly what Sessions did. I don’t see how this deal will stop Taylor from losing $15M this year… And if $15M only brings in $3M in production, just another knock against Kahn. Nobody is asking for that and once again, it has nothing to do with anything that was mentioned.
Also, since when do we Rec posts that we agree with despite content? No offense, but this post doesn’t deserve a rec at all, especially because it really doesn’t make sense and was backed up mostly with made up numbers that don’t even come close to making sense with how they were used. Rube chat….
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
Also, what looks better:
Ridnour/Sessions
Webster/P.George/Ellington
or
Flynn/Ridnour
Webster/Ellington
Sessions was better than Flynn last year
Having Paul George is better than not having Paul George this year.
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
JerryZgoda Expect #Timberwolves to add a veteran point guard at one-year league minimum salary for their next move to back up Flynn, Ridnour
Umm… you mean like, Telfair?
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
I'd think a PG
that can at least shoot. Not Telfair.
by NorthernLights666 on Jul 26, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
no a good PG
We will be very close to league minimum when we sign Pek. But, that assumes keeping Koufos and Telfair. Assuming we dump West/Telfair/Koufos, we’ll need to add players/salary:
ridnour/flynn (injured)
webster/ellington
johnson/brewer/hayward
beasley/love
darko/pek
That’s 10 healthy players and Flynn. Maybe we keep Koufos or Stiemsma? So, we made need a decent vet PG and someone else to get to the cap minimum.
by ChicagoViking on Jul 26, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Telfair
was pretty good for us in his second year here (complete turnaround from his first year). Why not give him a chance to at least see if he can do that again? Because that PG that we are going to sign for the vet minimum won’t be available in two months?
You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...
I hope he stays..
….but he won’t.
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Anthony Johnson
I’d rather have him as a stabalizing veteran presence.
by NorthernLights666 on Jul 26, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
KAHN
Keep Koufos! Keep Telfair! Please do not trade or waive Telfair and turn around and sign another PG.
Knowing our luck...
This trade guarantees a starting spot for Hollins on the Cavs…
Thus guarenteeing that the Cavs will be the worst team this season…
Thus guaranteeing that the Cavs will have the most lottery balls…
Thus guaranteeing that the Cavs will win the Harrison Barnes sweepstakes…
Thus guaranteeing another crappy Kahn draft pick…
Sigh…The life of a Wolves fan
Talking myself into DeMarcus Cousins since 5/18/10
Dan Gilbert claimed that Cleveland will win a title before Miami
With Hollins and Sessions now on the roster, that seems much more likely than before.
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain
With our ping pong ball luck
we can have the worst record and will be guaranteed the 3rd pick. The lottery has not been kind to the Wolves.
by hoopsfan1 on Jul 27, 2010 12:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Everything I own...
For Delonte to hit it off with Kahzie and become the new front office spokesman.
by fanslaststand on Jul 26, 2010 10:43 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
oops
“In Ramon, we’re excited to add a young, multi-dimensional guard, and with Ryan, we’re adding a young, athletic center,” new Cavaliers GM Chris Grant said in a statement issued by the team. “We think both Ramon and Ryan are really good fits for this team. We’re also happy to add another asset for the future with the additional draft pick.”
By Trading Sessions, Kahn admitting he blew it by signing him last year.
How many point guards have we acquired since last year? And we still don’t have 2 competant ones. That’s the price we must pay while we await Rubio’s arrival, I guess.
So Bjelica comes over then?
And Perhaps we can get Kevin Ollie back….
I think this is the first time in history one man managed to destroy an entire city by himself. Even the Enola Gay had a flight crew.
by Auswolf on Jul 26, 2010 11:19 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Im a Warriors fan..
But i like to come to your blog because i find Kahn’s moves hilarious and you guys seem to be good sports about it. We have had terrible GM’s in the past as well guys it will pass one day hang in there.
Sessions better than Flynn
I think just about everyone can agree that the Wolves would have been better off had Sessions started last season instead of Flynn. Flynn starting was mostly for his development and to let the club know what his strenths were. I’m not so sure that Sebastian Telfair isn’t better than Flynn right now. Luke Ridnour gives the veteran pressence and can shoot the ball better. Are the T-Wolves better with Sessions and Hollins or with Ridnour because that’s basically what happened? I don’t think that the Wolves are much improved from last year but I do think they will be much more exciting. Unless some unbelievable deal comes along I think the Wolves are about done this offseason with the trades.
I guess I'm not "about everyone"
Sessions not a good outside shooter. Flynn at least has a chance to make sense for this offense. If Rubio comes over, he will fetch more in trade than Sessions did. So, keeping/starting Flynn makes sense as well as getting Ridnour.
Hope the Wolves add a couple of decent Vets to finalize the roster and meet salary minimums.
by ChicagoViking on Jul 27, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Ridnour might make sense
If Rubio comes next year his experience should make him the better teacher?
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