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Microsoft vs. Darth Jobs (aka Simmons/Kahn deathmatch): a mini-polemic

If you don't get the Darth Jobs reference, google it and enjoy.

I had a thought tonight on my drive home from work, mulling over this Hollins/Sessions business and guys like Hollinger's take on it (generally negative), and it is this - is Kahn adjusting on the fly while the status quo is, well, the status quo? 

Star-divide

Here's where I'm coming from: most writers, analysts, talking heads, coaches, GMs, yadda yadda yadda all come from a certain perspective - a certain school of thought or value system that informs how they not only see the world (or a given data set), but even governs what is in said world (or what the data set entails). So at its base level, Hollinger (an example I use only because I'm familiar with it) doesn't like this trade because Sessions has traditionally performed well in Hollinger's metrics, and the cap space value in return doesn't compute for Hollinger. Consider this a rhetorical example (intended to illustrate a point, not be an actual argument requiring evidence and details, etc.) 

So for a guy like Hollinger, this deal is bad, as Sessions has proved he can play well and be very productive. In fact, according to Hollinger last year, signing Sessions was a steal except for the very minor fact that he performed no where near as well with us as he did with Milwaukee the year before. Many will argue with why that was and who's fault it is, but to me the salient point is where Hollinger chooses to anchor/frame his position - Sessions was misused last year and thus has more value than we got (or in other words, the onus is on Rambis to change his system to maximize the player, and cap space is an illusory asset until realized). Is such a critique valid? Sure, and it's also ancillary to the idea I want to develop for you. 

And what is that idea? As I said before, is Kahn adjusting on the fly (learning from his mistakes and strategic miscalculations) in spite of the 'wisdom' of the status quo, and as such is vilified by and very confusing too said status quo? I don't know, but I will say that I am enjoying more and more lately the distinct possibility that Kahn is either a complete and utter fool or a modern day mad scientist. I do think that it is helpful to consider the possibility that Kahn's style might deviate from the norm, and this is why he is not accepted (recognized, even) by the norm. Not saying it makes him a good GM or a bad one, just saying that the reasons guiding what he's doing are not firmly in the status quo. Be that as it may, I will present one other analogy with which I am somewhat familiar to help (rhetorically) illustrate the distinction that I feel is important and interesting. 

Microsoft and Apple represent two vastly different approaches to technology, software, and gadgets. Microsoft usurped Apple once long ago (relatively speaking) and has held a vast monopoly/hegemony since, raking in ginormous profits and making PCs damn near ubiquitous. Apple famously ousted Steve Jobs and hired a guy from Pepsi to take over and just about killed itself in the process. When they finally came to and re-hired Steve Jobs, they embarked on a turnaround that has made them larger (in market cap, I believe) than Microsoft today.

What is useful about using these two companies as examples is how Microsoft initially demonstrated and framed how to be hugely successful in the tech market (and media), and to some extent that paradigm (or way of seeing things) still exists today: to be successful you build around core business assets (Office, XP) and core values (satisfying all legacy OS users, bundling browser to OS, engineering uber alles). In some ways, Google is emulating exactly this (although in other ways it differs significantly from Microsoft). 

Apple, however, marches to its own (perhaps dictatorial, or should I say Darth?) drummer, and to its credit has found incredible success doing so. What I am most interested in, and would focus your attention on for the purposes of this analogy, is the difference in approach between the two companies when it comes to music players and mobile phones. Apple has dominated (and in the case of the iPod essentially created) the segments of those markets  in which it competes. Microsoft has not. Why?

It's much harder to see it today given Apple's long track record with these sorts of things, but there was a time as recently as even three years ago where there was ample skepticism about Apple's ability to create, never mind sell, a mobile phone. No one up to that point had had success selling apps on phones, and no major outside tech company who wasn't already a phone maker had had good luck either. The same holds true with iPods. Many in the media and the industry were skeptical, and one of the primary reasons why is because they were coming from a paradigm not insignificantly informed by how Microsoft did its business. Incremental improvements, backwards compatibility, compatibility across damn near every single kind of (in this case) phone, meaning across different kinds of chips and hardware, and features features features! Apple's approach seemed to fly in the face of this, but as we all know now it worked.

What I want you take away from this is that Microsoft has been an extremely successful company who's way of doing business has made it a market leader for decades - and it is dire need of reinvention. It's way of doing business is still successful, but is also starting to show ominous signs looking forward 10-15 years of becoming a dinosaur. Apple nearly died a self inflicted death, but has since come back and become very successful, demonstrating a second viable approach to Microsoft's. We will see how Apple does in the future. The point is that up until recently many in the industry doubted Apple at every turn and often criticized it for being too controlling and dictatorial, and in the end they may have been right and Apple was successful anyways. It is what I am calling old school versus new school. 

So what does any of this have to do with David Kahn and basketball? For the record, I am not comparing Kahn to any luminary such as Steve Jobs, or Bill Gates, or any other bona fide genius out there. What I am suggesting is the possibility that Kahn is learning and changing tactics on the fly, and that this not only flies in the face of the established 'best practices' opinions of talking heads and various media members and analysts, this on the fly change confuses them (from their perspective it is confusing) and so they question it and criticize it and throw up their hands.

Here's what I'm thinking about (and you'll pardon me if I don't get the examples precisely right - again I'm trying to raise a rhetorical argument that offers a different perspective on Kahn's activities and suggests a different criteria against which to measure him): in trading away Sessions and Hollins for cap space (when viewed with all his other moves), Kahn has put the final nail in the coffin of being a status quo GM and is instead putting his eggs in a different basket, one that to me appears strongly influenced by adaptability and value poaching, or in other words, the Presti model (but without Durant and lots of advanced stats analysis). 

What I contend is that Kahn has realized in the year since he arrived here that many of his expectations/assumptions about rebuilding this team simply weren't true. There were no big name FAs willing to come, so our cap space 'asset' was meaningless. Most of the existing players did not play a very entertaining brand of basketball, so without wins their value to the business/marketing/apparel side of the franchise was low. The fanbase was damn near 'do not resuscitate' levels of comatosity. What I remember when he came in is that he was full of bravado, admitting that it would be difficult and take some time but also essentially guaranteeing that we would be players for a major FA this summer. Oh, how times have changed!

My intention here is not to defend or criticize his moves, or to make any judgments about whether his approach is right or wrong. When I look at Kahn's choices over the past year what I see is a nascent (and naive) basketball executive adjusting his strategy on the fly, ever looking at how best to 'game the system' and his peers. And in hindsight, what else should we have expected from a guy with his credentials? He'd been out of the NBA for years, his biggest 'street cred' was in working for Donnie Walsh a long time - on contracts and stadium deals. He'd been a writer, a D-League owner. You know who he is, right?

Syndrome_medium

via www.realschluss.org

He's the guy who's always been looking in from the outside more often than not. My suspicion now more than ever is that Kahn got to where he is today by relentlessly looking and maximizing any advantage he could find - anything that put him or his company/team ahead. And yes, he's made his fair share of mistakes and miscalculations - but I would argue he's learned from them. He won't be burned by the same miscalculation twice.

He thought we'd be major players in FA, but we weren't - more than that, we couldn't be. Raw cap space wasn't an asset in and of itself, you need an attractive destination which (in this market) meant a winning team. He thought people would want to come watch this team, would enjoy seeing a winning product, and rudely discovered that not only were the wins few and far between but the product was awful to watch even when it did win. He took a chance on guys like Sessions and Hollins and found they weren't good fits (or in one case wasn't a good basketball player) and so has moved on, figuratively and literally. 

What he has found in his year here is that the most valuable currency he has are draft picks and the ability to absorb salary in trades (in addition to having the random dispensable young player or draft pick to send back to complete the trade). "We got nothing for Al Jefferson!" Maybe, maybe not. From Kahn's perspective, though, we traded an ill-fitting expensive player for cap space (asset) and draft picks (assets) and playing time for our two most promising young players (asset) while reshaping the roster and rotations to better fit the identity of the team (asset). "He passed on DMC!" Yup, he did. Why - and more importantly, was it the right thing to do? Hard to know - let's check back in 3-4 years. On the surface, though, I think it's part Tinsley (learning from a past miscalculation) and part philosophical (he wasn't convinced DMC would fit what we will be doing here, and Kahn has long since committed himself to scheme/coach than players, for better or worse). 

It's funny because while I have never thought of Kahn as Presti-like, Sam Presti is the nearest comp I can think of to describe what I think Kahn is doing, in the sense of adjusting mid-course to a strategy of poaching young talent and draft picks, operating on a very low payroll with no long term contracts, and using cap space to facilitate trades and/or poach high quality talent from other teams feeling the luxury tax bite. In a media environment where Pat Riley is hailed as being an awesome GM, well, they aren't going to recognize what Kahn is doing.

I have my own doubts about Kahn and this team, but I am excited for the team to put some results on the floor so that we can stop speculating. I personally do respect the complete overhaul of the roster Kahn has managed, and the amazing increase in length and athleticism at nearly every position across the board. I am curious to see how Kahn's embrace of scheme/coach works out, considering that we could have built around DMC and Curry. However, I'm also not convinced that either DMC or Curry will ever lead their teams to anything beyond the first round in their careers either. I do believe that Kahn is a bit skeezy and a bit predatory, but he also might be a better fit for a market such as ours because of it. We have limited options, and the debate will always exist whether or not we 'have' to take a guy like DMC, but I believe we will be better served by a guy who's always looking the advantage than by the guy who's willing to sit back and wait because, let's fact it - the only breaks we're going to get are the ones we make ourselves.

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If Kahn dressed up and went to Comic-Con, who would he be?
Wolverine
35 votes
Cobra Commander
134 votes
Syndrome
59 votes
Optimus Prime
31 votes
Lex Luthor
179 votes
other (please leave comment)
24 votes

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I liked everything in this post...

except the poll question. I had no idea what it was talking about.

by KGMN on Jul 27, 2010 11:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Click here

It’s basically safe for work.

Discuss.

"Styx might be the mullet of bands."

by biggity2bit on Jul 27, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

I stopped reading comics a long, long time ago. I did enjoy the Incredibles though – great movie for a variety of ages.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Jul 27, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Needs more spectacularly weird anime a la ComicCon…how about Bizarre Jelly? (which is actually fictional anime inside of a videogame).

He would dress as each of these on alternate days of the con.

http://suda51.wikia.com/wiki/Pure_White_Lover_Bizarre_Jelly

"Can someone please help me out, who did wolves pick, doesnt look too positive around here"

by Rasho Revolution on Jul 27, 2010 11:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Do we have our Bjelica nickname?

I looked ahead to the open road, thought about the people and what they know, and wrote a book called "People Don't Know Nothin!"

by Bahlgren1 on Jul 27, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

BJelly

Check out Humdinger TV on YouTube.
http://twitter.com/HumdingerTV

by HumdingerTV on Jul 27, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes yes

but Bizarre Jelly opens new doors.

I looked ahead to the open road, thought about the people and what they know, and wrote a book called "People Don't Know Nothin!"

by Bahlgren1 on Jul 27, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure what Kahn would dress up as

but I’m sure Stern and the League officials would make a great Phelps family protest group.

GOD HATES THE TIMBERWOLVES!!!

by TMiss on Jul 27, 2010 11:58 AM CDT reply actions  

btw

if Microsoft is a model for NBA success, that would be the kind of success that has the commissioner in their back pocket, rigs every draft lottery, buys off the refs and then uses their profits to go cheap on players, relying on the crooked refs to keep them in the wins column.

Steve Jobs, otoh, is the kind of Disney guy who’d win by inventing flubber which in any other kind of movie would result in your being banned from the League for life for cheating.

Geeks are NOT good analogies for anything related to sports!

Good analogy with Comics Con, but you should have never pushed it to include computer companies.

by TMiss on Jul 27, 2010 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

and your first paragraph is not accurate how?

I’m only half-joking (with the reverse rather—Stern looking out for his big-market franchises)

"Can someone please help me out, who did wolves pick, doesnt look too positive around here"

by Rasho Revolution on Jul 27, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but a tech columnist at the PiPress

wrote this story about me a long time ago. It might help you to understand why I loathe and despise Microsoft as that was only the first installment in my personal long-running tale of how MS has screwed this Mac user.

by TMiss on Jul 27, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Geeks/tech and basketball

Ya, my main point in using Microsoft and Apple as an example is the idea of how everyone gets conditioned by a typical way of doing things that’s worked well for a while before some upstart comes and does things completely differently (often garnering sympathetic chuckles from the establishment like, ’isn’t that cute that they’re doing it that way? Oh, the poor things…’ before their success puts the establishment on their heals). I used Microsoft and Apple because I’m familiar with it and don’t feel like I’m talking out of my ass.

The point is that the NBA system, as framed by media members and former player commentator/analysts, is all about the country club, to be frank about it. 3-4 years ago the big deal was that teams who had cap space (after many teams had waaayyyy overspent on bad contracts) could sign some really great FAs because they could offer more than anyone else. So then suddenly everyone tries to do that leading up to this summer, including us – but only up to the point where Kahn realized it was fool’s gold for us. No one was going to come here of the top tier group. My assertion, then, is that instead of trying to bash through following old dogma and saying “We gotta keep Al because he’s a star and we just haven’t figured out how to make it work yet” (in my analogy it’s like what Microsoft did with Danger, Zune, or even Windows Mobile – steadfastly holding true to an approach that worked really well 20 years ago and is now only viable because MS makes so much money still off of Office that it can afford such costly errors. Or in TWolves land known as the luxury of having KG to cover up FO ineptitude), Kahn looked around and found one other model that fit his purposes: the Sam Presti model.

In this case the Presti model is about keeping a low payroll, fielding a young and talented team, and using your cap space as a double edged asset – you either are able to poach talent from other teams because you can just straight up absorb some bad deals or you help out your bottom line because you’re not paying out that much in salary. To me the point isn’t who is better at evaluating talent in comparing Kahn to Presti, it’s about Kahn adjusting his strategy to somewhat mimic Presti’s in that we are accumulating a surplus of picks and attractive (and affordable) enough young talent and cap space to facilitate a trade for a very good player from a capped out team later this year. As for the Apple side of this analogy, it really is mostly about serving as a foil to Microsoft (to be honest), although the dumping of Sessions reminds me of Apple’s decision to dump floppy drives from it’s iMacs when they came out. Everyone said ‘you can’t do that – people need that option! Who are you to decide? There’s still value in floppy drives!‘, and everything they said was true…and it didn’t matter. People got on just fine without floppies, and floppy drives were extraneous to the direction Apple was heading. Doesn’t mean that Dell and others didn’t have success including them – they did – but it does suggest that perhaps all the criticism about dumping Sessions is all true…and losing Sessions is not going to matter one bit in the end.

"Styx might be the mullet of bands."

by biggity2bit on Jul 27, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Too many 2nd rounders have gone out the door

It seems like we are doing the McHale thing of giving draft picks as incentives on our trades.

by Dave T on Jul 27, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

OTHER - Cross between Jack Nicholson/Joe Biden

"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction."
Will Rogers

by WillistonCoyote on Jul 27, 2010 12:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Other - Doctor Who

…but I haven’t figured out which version just yet.

Definitely alien, completely different way of doing things than anyone else, says a lot of things that appear out of line, and prefers to schmooze with the enemy and try to out-smart him in the end.

Illinois: My governor is a bigger crook than your governor

by John H IL on Jul 27, 2010 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Perhaps most like the second doctor

Despite this Doctor’s almost childlike recklessness, it was always clear to his allies that a keen, deliberate intellect lurked behind every action. Although the Second Doctor frequently gave the impression that he never knew what he was doing, this was simply an affectation: an act put on to fool those who would underestimate him. He also had a warmer, gentler way about him than in his earlier incarnation.
Paradoxically, he had a deep streak of ruthlessness, particularly when dealing with a known adversary…

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Doctor

Perhaps a bit complimentary to say that it is “clear” that a “keen deliberate intellect lurked behind every action” but there is that suspicion at least. Hopefully that is proved accurate.

by Cobra312004 on Jul 27, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

This sounds an awful lot like

Columbo, only better dressed.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jul 28, 2010 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Better dressed?

It might be a tossup.

Illinois: My governor is a bigger crook than your governor

by John H IL on Jul 28, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Troughton

I was thinking of him, but I hope we don’t end up comparing him to 8…

After the series lay dormant for a while, he came in with a TV movie to try to attract an American audience. He changed a lot of the rules in that one movie, was a complete failure, and destroyed the franchise for nearly ten years. Every fan wishes it had never happened.

Illinois: My governor is a bigger crook than your governor

by John H IL on Jul 28, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Arthur

from The Tick...

Look here junior, don't you be so happy.
And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad.

by E-6 on Jul 27, 2010 12:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice write up b2b

I believe you may have hit the nail on the head. Let’s hope he looks more like Presti in three years than Mickey Mouse.

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by frankenhoops on Jul 27, 2010 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

the best part is

in three years we’ll definitively know one way or the other – Kahn will either still be employed or he won’t.

"Styx might be the mullet of bands."

by biggity2bit on Jul 27, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

“I am enjoying more and more lately the distinct possibility that Kahn is either a complete and utter fool or a modern day mad scientist.”

This statement perfectly captures my view of Kahn. I think there’s an overarching philosophy behind everything he does – whether it’s a good one or not, and whether he has the evaluation chops to choose which players to bring in is another thing entirely. Overall, I’m enjoying his tenure.

by Dumbhead62 on Jul 27, 2010 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Are you financing these costumes?

Actively looking for red flags since my 5th grade traveling team

by TimAllen on Jul 27, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like it,

but you might want to rethink the Name. the initials (as it stands) are shared with a rather unsavory group.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jul 28, 2010 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh snap!

I never even thought of that! Yikes, definitely need to change the name. I wasn’t sure if people would get the play on Kahn’s name otherwise, but perhaps it could be Cahn’s Cahmic-Con night? (to compromise?)

"Styx might be the mullet of bands."

by biggity2bit on Jul 28, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or maybe just Comic Kahn – no need for homonym repetition. The people who are going to get it are still going to get it.

The ones that don’t might think it would be a stand-up comedian performing at halftime. Who knows that could pump up attendance.

Illinois: My governor is a bigger crook than your governor

by John H IL on Jul 28, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where's Rascal Flatts?

My response to him is this: Could it be that you guys are really just closet Lynx fans getting jazzed up about the upcoming season?

I'm a diehard Cavs fan, proud to say I never owned a LeBron jersey.

by WaveOcean on Jul 27, 2010 1:30 PM CDT reply actions  

The Lynx fans around here need no closets

I’ll be in a box tonight.

In a….suite….

I looked ahead to the open road, thought about the people and what they know, and wrote a book called "People Don't Know Nothin!"

by Bahlgren1 on Jul 27, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

if i were a rich man

i’d have all the money in the world
if i was a wealthy man

I'm a diehard Cavs fan, proud to say I never owned a LeBron jersey.

by WaveOcean on Jul 27, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Penguin

How is The Penguin not an option?

by Hallelujah Hollaback on Jul 27, 2010 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

or Doc Ock

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by WaveOcean on Jul 27, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good topic

I think that Kahn is really an interesting character. I know that there will be a lot of disagreement with his methods, but when was the last time you have seen a team go through a massive roster overhaul – that improves them at every position in depth and defensive ability—and come out the other side with more draft picks, more cap space, and better profitability for the owner? Then, he starts drafting players that make other players better instead of rolling the dice on young talent that might kill your team’s fledgling chemistry?

If you take away the things he has said in public that make him look like a goof ball…Let’s say that, I don’t know…Danny Ferry pulled this same trick. What would these moves been received?

For Glen, this has got to be a slam dunk. Let people think he’s a moron. I loved how he flipped contracts his first year by trading players we weren’t going to play anyways and shaved millions off of payroll and dumped long term bad contracts for short term ones. I’m sorry, but the business end of this matter as well, no matter how much us fans want to win. They need to get their books together, so if the opportunity arises and the can add someone and have to go over the cap, their books are ratcheted down, that their hit is minimized based on contract and player value. Maybe he’ll hire a full time GM once he has his idea of a foundation in order (if they keep him around, of course!)

Let’s watch it play out. At least it’s giving us something to talk about til the season starts!

by crabdribble on Jul 27, 2010 1:44 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Microsoft/Apple

I was a Microsoft employee from 2001-2009 so I think I understand their model. And that said, Apple really isn’t Microsoft’s primary competition so it’s a bad comparison.

Microsoft dominates on the corporate IT desktop and is very strong in IT technology. Yes, they’ve failed so far at MP3 players and phone OS but those haven’t been their core competencies (although they’ve done pretty well with XBOX). Their biggest competition is really companies that could threaten Office and/or Windows along with server products. They care a lot more about Google, Linux and Oracle.

Apple dominates in consumer electronics. Their Mac products certainly have a following for creative applications and schools but they have no following in the corporate world. Actually, their biggest competitor might also be Google as Android is making headway.

While the MSFT entertainment division cares about Apple, no one else did.

Microsoft will never grow their business like they once did but they can still gain ground in servers, CRM, back office accounting, security and messaging. They are also making some cool products like Ford’s Sync application which is pretty cool.

Now back to basketball and the head scratching moves of Kahn.

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by FishingMN on Jul 27, 2010 1:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I ain't buyin' a mac anytime soon

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by WaveOcean on Jul 27, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't Google

just shift all of their corporate computers to Apple? Again, as an analogy, Microsoft doesn’t innovate anymore, at least not where it matters. They’ve come up with some amazingly cool technology (Surface and Photosynth, to mention two), but they haven’t created anything from it – no markets, no real products, etc. I don’t understand how they could have that much money, and that much R and D, and not have more to show for it. How does a company such as Microsoft make (and market) the multi-billion dollar debacle that was Vista? As an OS on the right machine it might be a fine – but for most people (and this includes corporations too)? Seriously. I guess I’m not as familiar with the corporate side of things – my MS experience is limited to small business applications, but near as I can tell everyone uses MS because it’s what they know. Our IT guys, though, would happily move us in another direction if the business owners would go for it. Too many other options out there that can do the same things at 1/5 the cost.

Ugh, now I’m sidetracked on Microsoft and its mind blowing tendency to either miss the mark in key ways or to simply wait for someone else to hit it and then make a copy of it (Zune, XBox, Vista, Kin, etc.).

"Styx might be the mullet of bands."

by biggity2bit on Jul 27, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

What exactly is Zune? I've seen it before

And what did you major in?

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by WaveOcean on Jul 27, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

My friend

was using the Sync system to call my from his blackberry while driving a rentel last night, and I tell you, I had no idea he was in a car until he told me. Sync works like a dream. Ford made a good decision locking up the Sync System esclusively.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jul 28, 2010 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Apple

It’s interesting how Apple and Google have strayed away from their original product and are thriving. Is this a good long term survival model?

http://bit.ly/a3Za4G

Thoughts?

by Ryan_2 on Jul 29, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't like Bill Simmons

Oh hello, gujuknick. Watcha doin’ here?

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by WaveOcean on Jul 27, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh. You forgot...

… “WTF is Comic-Con”, you dork!

by Boss10 on Jul 27, 2010 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

great post

it’s long but let me try and summarize what i took away about what you think kahn believes:

1. 50+ win seasons puts people in seats; 30-40 win seasons don’t
2. you need to build around stars to win; chemistry, #2 and #3 players don’t matter.
3. in minnesota, you need to luck into these stars (e.g. the lottery)
4. absent luck, preserving roster flexibility and keeping payroll low is a better strategy than making long-term investments for incremental wins

sucks as a fan, but as a business person, i buy that.

by bchang on Jul 27, 2010 4:45 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

4. should read: "absent luck, preserving roster flexibility and keeping payroll low to apply in the event we draft a star is a better strategy than making long-term investments for incremental wins

by bchang on Jul 27, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry to reply to my own post

but the above strategy also feels like donald sterling, wes unself and the 1990’s clippers.

by bchang on Jul 27, 2010 4:51 PM CDT reply actions  

ouch!

"Styx might be the mullet of bands."

by biggity2bit on Jul 27, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with everything

except your use of “sunk costs” :)

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Jul 28, 2010 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice post b2b.

I’ve got my own in the works (will hopefully go up tonight or tomorrow night) comparing Kahn to several of the league’s “best” GMs. I think I can write it in a way that doesn’t step on your toes too much. As a spoiler, I think comparisons can be drawn to aspects of Daryl Morey and Pat Riley’s methods, as well as the Presti model which you’ve done a fairly good job of detailing here.

by John Doe on Jul 27, 2010 6:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Step away

I have no special attachment to what I said here. Develop and present your thoughts as you need to – I’d rather see a better fanpost than a needlessly abridged one.

"Styx might be the mullet of bands."

by biggity2bit on Jul 27, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

This past year has witnessed some quite serious backward steps for Apple hardware products. The most recent iPhone 4 is a serious case in point. Interestingly, there have been no slip-ups in terms of Apple software products. TMV questions whether this could be associated with the FACT that reliability of Apple hardware products is increasingly becoming an issue for consumers.

More on this here: http://www.themusicvoid.com/2010/08/is-music-industry-reliance-on-unreliable-apple-products-sustainable/

by Jakomi Mathews on Aug 4, 2010 6:54 AM CDT reply actions  

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