Wolves Updates 7/9
by SG on Jul 9, 2010 12:27 AM CDT
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AP and Strib on Wolves acquiring Beasley, Kahn says team not trading Flynn and more
From Jon Krawczynski/AP Sports:
The Miami Heat just cleared a little more room for LeBron James.
A person with knowledge of the deal tells The Associated Press that the Heat have agreed to send forward Michael Beasley to the Timberwolves for Minnesota's 2011 second-round pick and a swap of future first-round picks.
From Jerry Zgoda/Star Tribune:
The Wolves agreed to absorb Beasley's $5 million salary in exchange for a 2011 second-round pick and a swap of future first-round picks that the Wolves can extend out to seven years from now.
In return, they get another athletic player who's 6-9 and can play both forward spots.
It sounds like Beasley didn't too much like the Heat's disciplinary system and ways, but there's no doubt the guy's got talent.
From Brian Murphy/Pioneer Press:
Point guard Jonny Flynn was unavailable to reporters after the Timberwolves' first day of a three-day minicamp Thursday afternoon at Target Center.
The same is true for the NBA, according to team President David Kahn, who quashed reports from Cleveland indicating the Cavaliers were targeting Flynn to fill their backcourt in anticipation of the departure of free agent superstar LeBron James.
"Jonny Flynn's not being traded," Kahn said about the sixth overall pick in the 2009 draft.
"At this time of year, everybody on our roster is open for discussion. We're not looking to move Jonny Flynn. At the same time, we're not in a position where we'll say, 'No, we won't talk.' At this time of year, there's just a lot of talk."
From Jonah Ballow/Timberwolves: Thursday Mini-Camp Report
Speaking of point guards, Kahn also confirmed a visit from six-year veteran Luke Ridnour this week, "Well again, as we explore ways to make our team better, I think that all the positions that we have need to be seriously considered."
"I didn't think he had a feel for us and I didn't think we really had a feel for him. And in order to have any discussions, either now or later, I think it's important that he come pay a daylong visit."
Prior to Travis Outlaw inking a five-year deal with the New Jersey Nets on Thursday morning, he also took a trip to Minneapolis and met with the front office staff. The team has now spent time with three free agents, forward David Lee, Ridnour, and Outlaw. No deals seem imminent at this point while Kahn waits for some of the dust to settle on the first official day teams can sign free agents.
From Jerry Zgoda/Star Tribune:
* Kahn said Thursday morning he expects to finalize the signings of Darko Milicic and Nikola Pekovic by Sunday and hopes to have rookies Johnson and Lazar Hayward signed by Monday's first summer-league game, although it's not essential he do so by then.
* Kahn got Biblical when I asked him about some of these deals made in recent days, such as $34 million for Amir Johnson and $35 million for Travis Outlaw.
Remember this is the guy who guaranteed Darko $16 million for four years.
"Well, lest he who is without sin cast the first stone," Kahn said. "I've fielded a lot of questions about Darko's contract over the last several days. I feel very comfortable with what we did and especially with the way we capped our exposure, assuming that's the way it finally ends up. If people say, It'd be very hypocritical for me to turn around and say how couhttp://www.sbnation.com/admin/entries/new?community_id=51&entry_type=Storyld they do that? I don't want to participate in that. It is what it is."
In an interesting side note, with the Timberwolves showing intent interest in Ridnour they are starting to get calls about the availability of Jonny Flynn. Flynn didn't exactly flourish in the triangle as a rookie, but other teams are intrigued to see what he can do in a different system. The Cleveland Cavaliers are among those interested, though that may be nothing more than a last-ditch effort to keep LeBron James in town, as the two share an agent and are good friends. The Wolves, for their part, would much rather part with Ramon Sessions.
From Steve Carp/Las Vegas Review-Journal:
Kahn said the summer league is critical in the development of young players.
"You want to see them get as much experience and exposure as possible," he said. "Not just on the court during games, but at practice, at shootarounds. I'm looking at it as an opportunity to see our guys grow."
(Via MNSportsFans) From Hoopsnotes:
During the morning program "Coffee or Tea" aired on TVP1, Polish national team and the Orlando Magic Marcin Gortat said that he received news that he would be traded to another club.
Asked whether the club is unable to guarantee him a place in the starting five, Gortat just smiled mysteriously.
Later, he said that he will be traded to Minnesota.
"I do not know how much truth in this, waiting for further news. Timberwolves is the second worst team in the NBA, but they play in her talent. I guarantee you that if I had a chance to play there, it will be fantastic" added Gortat.
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Orlando's GM denies Gortat to Minnesota trade
"There’s a lot of teams out there interested in Gortat," Smith said this afternoon. "If I’m a team and I look at our roster, I would say, ‘Yeah, there’s a big guy that doesn’t play a lot of minutes that could possibility help my team.’ So, I would make a call, too.
"But we’re not interested in trading him unless the deal makes sense. At this point, we haven’t had one that made any sense to us."
Also, I've talked to several Nets fans...
The Nets are definitely interested in Jefferson (Prokhov wants to start winning now, as exemplified by the Travis Outlaw signing) but Favors doesn’t sound like he’d be on the table unless we offer Rubio
However, they do seem to think the Nets would be willing to offer several draft picks…perhaps something like 2 first rounders and a second rounder to make ends meet…for Jefferson. It’d be a great way to keep rolling our assets forward the way the Thunder do if that sort of offer does indeed get called in
Keep in mind they have a lot of picks over the next couple of years
It wouldn’t necessarily be like, two top 10 picks….
Not if they sign Lebr-...er...Wad-...er..Bos-....um....Boo....ah....Amar-.....draft Wa-.....
Ok, I’ll take it.
Poor bastards.
I'll hold your monkey.
by CaliWolf on Jul 9, 2010 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Curious...
Would people be down with Al + Wes for Favors? Seems like an awful lot until you realize it’s really not any different than trading the 4th pick for the 3rd pick and Al for Dampier. Same result. Wolves could then fish for a perimeter playmaker via another trade or in FA with the extra cap space.
Taking this further and completely out of bounds, what if the recent lotto tradition of giving territorial rights to teams holds serve next year and the Wolves get Harrison Barnes? They’d be looking at a 2011 lineup of…
Rubio
Barnes
Webster
Beasley/Love
Favors
With key reserves such as Flynn, Brewer, Darko, and Beasley/Love
Snowball’s chance, I know, but that there could possibly be a must-see-TV team. YES. WE. KAHN!?!?!
I think that's overpaying
Regardless of how you frame it.
At this point, we have a crowded frontcourt and lack sure production on the wings. The solution to the frontcourt is to trade Jefferson, but if we do this, we take out one possible source of production on the wings, and don’t actually reduce the number of guys requiring playing time in the frontcourt.
These are good points, although we’ll have to see what they get for Al. I have doubts he’ll net them a wing producer, but I’ve been wrong before, and time will tell. I think if they do just let him go for Dampier…well, I’d be annoyed then if they didn’t at least try something like this.
I see Favors as, yes, a frountcourt player, but one whose skillset is fairly far different than anybody else they have on the roster. Also, if they did this, they’d be armed with cap space and guys like Pekovic to go fishing for a wing with a pulse.
Mike Miller is apparently going to join the party on South Beach.
This is according to his Dad as told to the Mitchell, SD, Daily Republic. Looks like Mike finally gets to indulge in his point guard fantasy!
I never heard it called
a “Corn Palace” before….
Quite gaudy really.
"I was trying to focus on breathing," Milicic said. "I was just focusing on breathing so I didn’t die."
How many teams has he been on now?
Every time they say that Miller is an excellent shooter, and he is. But he doesn’t shoot even when open.
Lebron will make him shoot
by threatening to make him watch his tv special Clockwork Orange style if he doesn’t.
by oblivionspocket on Jul 9, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Lebron: Very well Mike, I didn’t want it to come to this, but you give me no choice.
by oblivionspocket on Jul 9, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions
He's a great fit there
His shooting really balances out Wade’s slashing game. With the way Miller, Wade and LBJ all rebound, they could play an incredibly deadly small (-erish) lineup and be very good with it
Chalmers
Wade
Miller
LeBron
Bosh
Geez….that’s kind of scary actually
Not sold
Bosh at center doesn’t really scare me. I think he gets out-muscled by Dwight Howard and several others.
I don't think this would be their normal lineup
but it could work really well for certain matchups.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Jul 9, 2010 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Bosh regularly has bested Howard throughout their careers
D12 is and always will be an average post scorer at best
Hears another scary lineup
Chalmers
Wade
LeBron
Bosh
7 foot cardbard cutout
I don’t think it matters too much who plays that last position or where they play it.
by midlife crisis on Jul 9, 2010 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions
My buddy actually
said that to me earlier… he said why wouldnt shaq sign a minimum and go win another championship just to say take that Kobe….
Should be interesting to see all these pieces fall in the next couple days
by GHACAN BLACKSTAR on Jul 9, 2010 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions
When will the Darko-ripping stop?
So I’m not one to say Darko’s ever going to make a showing at an All-Star game, but here are the other free-agent centers 25-year-old or younger:
Randolph Morris, Johan Petro, Anthony Tolliver, Nathan Jawai, Oleksiy Pecherov, Josh Boone, Aaron Gray, Ian Mahinmi, Patrick O’Bryant and Kyrylo Fesenko.
Any of those guys you’d prefer?
Not to mention only three centers with new contracts:
Hayward 6 years, 55 mil
Frye 5 years, 30 mil
Darko 4 years, 20 mil
Seems not too bad if you ask me.
what can darko do
that Josh Boone can’t? that Johan Petro can’t?
I would much rather have Toliver than Darko, personally, and he would fit really good next to Jefferson.
I still can’t believe why everyone wants to run him out of town. you don’t get better by trading your best player for assets
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
When will the Darko-ripping stop?
When Darko makes them eat their words by playing and not being sent to the bench. If he contributes all season long, he has already won (regardless of what the media thinks). The media has to pick on somebody, so Darko won’t get out of their doghouse until he plays a full season as a starter and contributes.
by DBE on Jul 9, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Frye is still considered a center?
I guess he takes up space in the middle on defense, but all he does on O is shoot 3s.
by Breaking Ankles on Jul 9, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
So we're getting their 2nd round pick?
and we get to choose which year to switch picks in the next 7?
Sounds like a great deal to me.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Jul 9, 2010 1:51 AM CDT reply actions
nope, read that wrong.
but this
he Wolves agreed to absorb Beasley’s $5 million salary in exchange for a 2011 second-round pick and a swap of future first-round picks that the Wolves can extend out to seven years from now.
was worded poorly.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Jul 9, 2010 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Shaq apparently left Miami on very bad terms
I thought about him going back there immediately, but he dissed Riley and the whole organization.
Glad to hear Kahn isn’t moving Flynn.
Shaq leaves every place he goes on very bad terms
Actively looking for red flags since my 5th grade traveling team
That's not fair
I’m guessing the folks at Popeyes love him..
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
Man … Beasley for a toaster? Really? This is the time for Kahn to pull another Darko … If he can make this guy feel at home we’d officially have te rename our team to the Minnesota Outcasts-who-found-a-home-’ers.
I’m really excited and curious what they’re gonna do with him…
lets all welcome...
your minnesota domesticated wolves
by midlife crisis on Jul 9, 2010 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions
First time poster
Hey Guys/Gals been reading CH for a while and thought i would open up an account because i am a passionate Timberwolves fan and actually made the trip over from Melbourne, Australia to watch some of their home games and away games in LA.
I love this trade for Minnesota, and have been a fan of David Kahn as our POBO, i think he has done a great job so far contrary to most fans views, I think that people who think that this guy is a ‘head case’ are somewhat naive and have to realise that MB is only 21 years old how matured minded can one be at that age?
Anyways look forward to more Timberwolves news keep up the good work guys/gals!
From a Fellow Melbournian
Welcome aboard!
"I was trying to focus on breathing," Milicic said. "I was just focusing on breathing so I didn’t die."
What are the odds?
Two Wolves fans from Melbourne?
Should the Wolves be trying to sell TV rights there?
We Are the Washington Generals
by Eric in Madison on Jul 9, 2010 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Between the various websites the Wolves are getting a following down here.
We’ll pass the hat around.
"I was trying to focus on breathing," Milicic said. "I was just focusing on breathing so I didn’t die."
Please advise us...
As long as we are building perhaps the most international roster in the NBA, who can we get from Australia?
Not named Nathan, I guess…
The well is dry here alas.
Brad Newley is worth a look. Unfortunately Daryl Morey agrees; the Rockets have his rights.
"I was trying to focus on breathing," Milicic said. "I was just focusing on breathing so I didn’t die."
by Auswolf on Jul 9, 2010 5:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Careful . . .
Empty Target Center + Stern’s “Global NBA” wishes = Wolves become "The Melbourne . . . " —what, exactly?
Marsupials
We Are the Washington Generals
by Eric in Madison on Jul 9, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
crazy!!!
I knew of no t-wolves fans in aus, i cop so much crap from my friends for supporting them but i hope that one day the repay the faith for all the fans! Minnesota is a great state and enjoyed my visit there, got to meet a couple of the players which was awesome! and they all love their sport just like Melbournians maybe the cities can form some form of partnership?
TV rights? hells yeah!
Leftovers (hangovers?) from
Luc Longley’s days with the Pups?
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain
welcome
Melbourne is one of my fav cities in the world!
by GHACAN BLACKSTAR on Jul 9, 2010 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Tis good
Similar to the dudes above, mr being an Aussie. Sydney though.
T-Wolves could have an awesome market in down here (various Australia reps – Longley, Heal and Jawai). Or perhaps not…..
Good deal though.
Can't wait for Canis Hoopus International Fan Appreciation Night!
"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please."
Mark Twain
I really dislike Michael Beasley...
but what’s not to like about this deal? I think it will yield positive results in a flip deal. If not, we just found our back-up PF who can score off the bench.
I’ll be in no hurry to find a starting spot (or much playing time for that matter) for Beasley… but I think I could get into this deal just from a value perspective.
Execedrin PM?
Rambis has to be stocking up on pain killers right now! Darko, Love, and now Beasley will certainly give him lots of opportunity to show calm, even-tempered, and yet forceful role playing for young men who seemingly haven’t been able to buy a clue yet in their careers.
I suppose this is a good thing for Kurt because it shows that he has the full faith of his
GM, but man I would NOT want to be his dog when he gets home from a long day at the office!
We were gonna be the leaders in player development … let’s prove it. You’re right it’s gonna take some hard work from that coaching staff!
by Wim (Belgium) on Jul 9, 2010 6:11 AM CDT up reply actions
And why not
If it fails it’s on Beasley, if it succeeds then Rambis is a genius.
by midlife crisis on Jul 9, 2010 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Kevin Love and Michael Beasley, together again
by Miss Test Pattern on Jul 9, 2010 7:16 AM CDT reply actions
would love to see one of those in a game next year.
by TWolvesFanInLA on Jul 9, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Lee going to Golden state
Looks like 13 million per year.
At this point, how desperate is NJ getting to spend money on anyone or anything, especially with Favors looking like the project that he is.
Deep Squad
Seems like a logjam on the roster, compare this to last years’ Pavs, Pech, Jawai, Wilkins, Cardinal, Hollins laden roster. And they all got minutes from time – to – time.
Flynn/Sessions, Webster/Ellington/Brewer, Johnson/Beasely/Brewer/Hayward, Beasely/Al/Love, Darko/Al?/Pek
That’s your 12 players pending any more moves. Hollins doesn’t even make your 12-man rotation. That’s a young/deep squad.
by ChicagoViking on Jul 9, 2010 8:38 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That's the best news I've ever heard
“hollins doesn’t even make your 12-man rotation”
by midlife crisis on Jul 9, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
And this year, the moves are much easier to follow.
I mean, I’ve heard of these guys more than once. And they’re not being acquired just to be likely trade for cap room. Most of these guys actually have talent.
If you’re a fan of moves, then this is your off-season. I can’t envision another year where a team would make as many moves as this. So soak it up.
This is really, really good
This team was going to need some luck to get back on track, and it might finally just have happened. Beasley (like Darko) was drafted at a spot where theoretically a team could have been built around him, but instead he had to try to be a complementary piece to Wade.
With Al on this way out, Beasley starts at the 4 as the Wolves’ new bucket-getter. If he can’t enjoy that role…well, he will. This team instantly became more fun to watch next year.
Just can't see it...
I think Kahn picked up Beasley as a way to add a dirt-cheap asset, not as a big-minutes building block. In my opinion, Beasley has a lot of people’s respect to earn before we start handing over a starting job before he’s even put on a uniform.
Go to the bench and back up Love, Mr. Beasley. Show The Wolves that your focus is here and that you’re willing to fit in first, earn playing time second.
The problem with Beasley is
he just doesn’t do well when cooped up in the bench. IMO, it’s a waste of talent. Better trade him to 76ers for a microwave (improvement over the toaster the Wolves gave away to Miami). They need a PF.
but if Beasley
does show up focused, he will become the start for the sole reason that he actually can be a go to scorer in the frontcourt someday. But from Day 1, I think it will be Love’s to lose and Love would slide to super 6th man if Beasley gets his crap together. Just my two cents worth.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Jul 9, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
There is a slight difference
between score first and potential #1 option on offense. Love is no better than #3 option and his “feelings” or our “feelings” about him should not determine who starts or not.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Jul 9, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
We have a proud tradition of winning 19% of our games here in Minny. There are standards to be set, and rules to follow Mr. Beasley. The same rules that everyone from Brad Lohaus to Gerald Glass to Mark Blount had to follow (or not follow, it was up to them). Straighten up and Fly Right Young Man, and if he gives us any backtalk we say “Good Day Sir”
(only kidding Foobee)
Summer League is irrelevant unless it validates my opinion
by Son of Gerald Green on Jul 9, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Funny stuff!
But really, there’s no reason The Wolves should be anointing Beasley as anything special. He’s silly talented and I’d like to see him get significant minutes, but tossing him a starting job right away seems like too much.
All that said, I still think the most likely outcome is that Kahn flips him to Charlotte, who really wanted Beasley.
Darko didn't exactly earn that starting spot over Love last year either.
I don’t see how you keep Beasley on the bench if you trade Al. You need points, and Beasley is more likely to help get those with the front line than Love. Love comes off as the 6th man. It will probably help Beasley’s development anyway (a la Darko) to get the PT with the first line.
Darko is a C...
That was a fit thing… Darko was our best C and Jefferson was better than Love. So Jefferson put Love to the bench.
BTW, what’s wrong with giving him 25-30 mpg off the bench behind Love with a few minutes sprinkled in at SF? It’s not like I’m suggesting he’s a 15 mpg player.
I'm not saying it's absolutely wrong
I would just make a different choice, at least for a few dozen games. Beasley has #1 option potential, and has been playing as a #2/role player type for a while (as I am posting this, see the same from o.O below). It’s worth the shot at seeing whether he can grow into it.
I see what you are saying on the first piece, but Al almost when to the All-Star game as a 5 (whether collectively we think that was justified or not). You can argue that Al and Darko are a better combo than Al and Love, but Beasley & Darko could also be a better combo than Love & Darko – again, because you need buckets and Beasley is the most realistic option.
What does Charlotte have to offer?
Tyrus Thomas? (downgrade) Gerald Henderson? (bust) Alexis Ainja? (stiff)
I’ve got to disagree with you on this. There’s nothing on Charlotte that should really interest us. I’d take a pick from them, but they already owe a future 1st to Chicago (or was it Golden State?), so the earliest we could get one from them would be two years after that.
Love not playing at the same time as Jefferson
this is what Rambis said he wants
I can't say I'm a fan of this move
I have no faith in Beasley thriving here (or anywhere, really). I think on a pure basketball level he has real limitations. He’s something of a tweener; I don’t think he has the interior chops to rebound and guard the rim as a 4, and he really is not a 3. I hate to speculate on mindset and related issues, but it’s relatively clear that he struggles mentally, and many have questioned whether the effort is there. I don’t know that those things are really changeable for most people.
Despite what some are saying, there are costs to acquiring Beasley. There are opportunity costs as related to the roster: you have to spend at least a year figuring out whether he can play or not, which means minutes and roster space is used up on a guy I have little faith in. There are opportunity costs as related to the cap: He’s taking up space that might be better used on someone else. There are other players who will be traded this off-season in lopsided cap deals; I wonder if we wasted those opportunities on Beasley.
We Are the Washington Generals
+1
with a caveat. We’re a desperate team, too. Therefore we need to take chances, hoping we get lucky somehow. Still, I recall all the positivism here when we acquired Hollins. Now he’s a pariah. Will Beasley follow?
by ogishkemuncie on Jul 9, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
True
but if things go wrong this year we can dump him.
Exactly... so we're in the driver's seat either way.
I see four options:
1. Trade him in the coming weeks.
2. Keep him, build up his trade value and move him at the trade deadline.
3. Keep him, let him walk next off-season if he combusts on the court in 2010-11.
4. Keep him, retain him for the full three years if he produces up to his contract.
Number 3 isn't really an option
because the Wolves will have to exercise their 2011-12 option on him before this season begins (like with Brewer last year).
We Are the Washington Generals
by Eric in Madison on Jul 9, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Assuming he's on our team at the beginning of the year.
His option will be picked up. If we didn’t, this trade would be for not.
Correct - thanks.
So what’s the most-likely long-term outcome with Beasley? In other words, we either flip him (now or at the deadline) or build around him, right?
I think he goes somewhere else.
But if he does stay here, so what? You don’t have to figure out if he can play—you already know he can play. The question is can he get his mind right. Yes, he’s another slow 3 or short 4—but he’s practically an expiring contract, so there’s no risk in seeing what he can and can’t do.
Besides, everybody has these mythical other players that are supposedly going to be available to the Wolves. But as we saw at the trading deadline and during the height of free agency, the players who actually . . .
1. Are available
2. Are affordable
3. Fit the Running Triangle Teaching Tool
4. Are the right age for the Wolves’ rerebuilding process
5. Are willing to play for the Wolves
6. Come from teams that have an interest in what the Wolves have to offer in return
. . . is an extremely small number. Coupled with Kahn’s lack of experience and ability, as well as Glen’s penurious ways, and Buh-Easily might be the best they can do for the time being.
by PoorDick on Jul 9, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we could get him for a 2nd Round Pick...
Then what makes you think he would have any value to us in trades? We’re keeping him.
by NorthernLights666 on Jul 9, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Miami's needs
made this a deal that only a few teams were able to complete. Again, I’m not up enough w/ the particulars to say if/when he could be retraded, but the possibility looms.
Keep an eye on the Wolves’ website. If they throw a big graphic of him up there, maybe he gets a year with the team. But right now, the only player featured (and the only one featured for some time) has been Wes Johnson, so . . .
I thought the same thing, PD.
The other thing to watch is whether there is a press-conference. If there isn’t a presser within 3-5 days, consider him a likely goner.
There are opportunity costs as related to the cap: He’s taking up space that might be better used on someone else
But who? Who else can we get for that cap figure that has as much potential as Beasley? I can’t think of anyone. I agree that he has red flags, but you don’t get top-end talent for very little cost without there being some uncertainties that go along with it. I think it was a great move, considering our complete dearth of talent and that we won all of 15 games last year. Now is exactly the time for moves like this.
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
by Xand1 on Jul 9, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed, I think we understand the "opportunity cost" concept. But...
There needs to be another equal or better opportunity available. I think we made a nice run at Gay and Lee, but as of today, who is there?
Exactly
Childress?
Nice player, but he’s going to cost more and he lacks Beasley’s upside. Beasley’s productivity at his age are very positive. Sure, he might be totally crazy, or maybe he just needs to mature. If it’s the latter and he does it with us, eventually turning into a 20/8 poor man’s Melo (to quote SnP), something that’s very possible, he could be a monster steal.
I don’t know how/where he fits on the team right now, but as usual, I don’t think Kahn is done maneuvering. I’m growing ever more curious to see what the roster will look like come opening day…
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
+1
It is a good move. Now the question is which PF for what SG?
by Breaking Ankles on Jul 9, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like Charlotte was hot after him, but...
the complicated 4-way trade that was discussed couldn’t be finalized. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Beasley flipped to Charlotte for assets/players.
Maybe trade for Tyrus?
We’ve been hearing the Wolves have been interested in Tyrus Thomas. If Charlotte’s into Beasley, maybe we do a Thomas sign and trade?
But Beasley > Tyrus
at the same position. He’s also younger, cheaper, and, improbably, less of an idiot.
Not related....
But I’m excited to see what “The Definition” (Webster) can do at SG this year. I bet he flourishes in a system tailored to his skills.
I only posted this cause I heard that was his nickname, which is absolutely awesome.
I like it...
Pretty clever, and it beats the hell out of “The Decision”, which was the most grotesque thing I’ve seen in basketball in, well, probably ever. I used to like LBJ but now he’s lower on the list than Mamba, and Bosh isn’t far behind.
I am still a Wade fan though
Durant and Wade are my two favs…for now. I am just waiting for them to screw up too. About par for the course there.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Jul 9, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Awesome Nickname
That’s right up there with “Make It Wayne” Ellington.
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We choose when to swap the 1st round pick.
Six years from now, when the Heat no longer have the new “Big 3” and the Wolves can be a decent team, we would have the 20th pic and Miami has the 15th pick… Could we swap then? There may be a stipulation in there saying this can’t happen. Maybe this is why it may never happen. Within the next 7 years, there is half a chance we would have a better record than the Heat (albeit they have 3 new rings to our none).
So if this is just for a 2nd rounder, put me on board. If Beasley works out well and shows he’s more than a back up, then Beasly/Love/Pecovic can be moved within the next yr or two for a valuable commodity. If we are a playoff team, we keep him to sure up an 8 man rotaion.
Good point
One thing for sure is that Wade is 34 years old and on the downside by then. Also a lot of minutes on Bosh and LeBron. History shows the younger guys enter the NBA, the sooner their talent falls off at the end. They are probably going to be playing high minutes this year, since they are going to be using about a six man rotation.
The Decision, and things related
Rather than clog up that FanPost column with another one that doesn’t have much of a point, I have a few random thoughts associated with LeBron-to-Miami.
- Rather than repeat at length what everyone else is saying, I’ll just say this: he went about it the wrong way, and it’s a cowardly decision to latch onto Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. LeBron is way more than talented enough to win a championship with lesser star-power around him. To an extent, his talents will probably go wasted, in Miami.
- Somehow, I only heard about this rumor recently, but I wonder if it had anything to do with the decision to leave Cleveland. I mean, even if it’s not true, you have to wonder what started it, and what sort of guy Delonte West is. LeBron was probably too scared to seriously confront Delonte about it, (and for good reason), and instead it caused all sorts of issues with his attitude, effort level, and trust of the organization. I’m just saying — whatever is behind this story is not good for keeping LBJ in town.
- The Knicks have to be crushed by this free agency. They mortgaged most, if not all, of the farm on 2010, and they walked away with STAT, at the worst contract signed since Gilbert Arenas. No LeBron, no D-Wade, no Joe Johnson… not even Rudy Gay. I guess they’ll try to pry ‘Melo from the Knicks, next year… I wonder if D’Antoni can wait that long.
- Mike Miller is going to be the “shooter” on the new Miami Heat Dream Team? Hmmm… yeah, everyone on this board will question that idea. Between LeBron, Wade, and MM, they will break all-time records for most “penetrate and kick” passes. Too bad they couldn’t sign Bassy to spot up in the corner.
- Celtics half-heartedly join the arms race by signing Jermaine O’Neal to the mid-level exception. He should have gone to Phoenix where, if nothing else, they can rejuvenate careers. I’m not sure what purpose he serves in Boston, other than to make them a worse defensive team.
- One last thought on the new Heat… okay, two more. First, Pat Riley will be the coach of this team at the first sign of trouble. Make no mistake about that. Second, if the Heat don’t win the 2011 championship, that will throw their pecking order, team chemistry, whatever you call it way out of whack. The big answers to NBA questions come in the playoffs. The biggest question on this team is, “Who is the leader who handles the ball down the stretch?” If that guy is LeBron, and they lose to Boston, Chicago, or Orlando, everything is messed up there, permanently.
I feel terrible for Cavs fans, and think LeBron made the worst choice possible. But, I have to say that I’m really excited to watch the NBA, next season.
Can't wait...
for this Miami team to implode. Expectations are so high that you have to think it’s a tinderbox of egos waiting for the spark of a playoff exit. As much as I think it’s bad for the league, it does make for great drama if they lose. If they win, it’ll be ho-hum of course they did, but if they lose, it’ll make this year’s Cav’s flameout look like a non-event in comparison.
Plus, it should be a really interesting experiment in what it takes to win in the NBA. No one’s ever really built a team like this so I’m curious to see if it succeeds. Maybe they’ll be able to fill out the roster with a bunch of vets who are willing to play the banger/passer/defender roles and so build a team that approximates the “model” championship team… but I hope they don’t and we get to see if three supposedly alpha dogs can win with a bunch of scrubs on board. (though my main take-away from all this is that LeBron’s not half the alpha dog he’d like to be… at it’s root, what a cowardly, unimpressive move on his part. Any other option would have made him “the Man” and given him a real chance to build a legacy but now, even if he wins multiple titles, he’s something of a joke).
this is still wade's team
and Wade will be Mr. Clutch. Which one has won a championship? Wade. He also acted with the most (relative term here) class than either Bosh or James this offseason. Not saying all that much though.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Jul 9, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep, Wade is clearly the leader
He got the others to join him, on his team. He is the man.
I’m guessing LBJ is ok with that.
Are you serious?
This CANT be Wades team with Lebron on it. Lebron wouldnt come to the Heat unless they agreed to a pecking order prior. If they didnt….that was a bad move. THey can be friends off the court and have a good time playing together on the olympics….but this is at another level.
God I hope it implodes also. I also think its disgusting that Riley will macially appear as the next coach. Seems he always shows up when the team is on the precipice of winning so he can take credit.
2 alpha dogs
Bosh really seems to be fine not leading the pack.
yes I am very serious
Wade has carried teams before and not acted like Lebron did. He just played his heart out. You know, actually act like a leader. James fashions himself a King but he doesn’t display the leadership or focus to be that man. Remember, Wade played the backup in the Olympics until it came time to actually win…then he was the star and MVP. It’s who he is…and who James isn’t.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Jul 9, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
You're serious, but wrong.
LeBron has carried teams plenty of times. Detroit series in ‘07, Boston in 08’, Magic series in ‘09… There are easy to cite examples of both carrying and not carrying for every player. It comes down to personal opinion. But if you’re going to state your option as a fact… you’re wrong.
I don't know
without the ridiculous TV special, the endless speculation and media posturing
the straight up facts, Bosh and Lebron taking less money to team up with Wade in Miami, do not suggest that Lebron is a coward.
they are taking less money for a real shot at winning. Again, I think minus the spectacle and the egos, this is exactly what fans always say players NEVER DO. They never take less money to win, ever. Joe Johnson sure didn’t, neither did Amare.
Now, of course, we can’t subtract the TV special, the egos, the entire media spectacle. It’s those things, not the decision to join the Heat, that make this decision, to join Miami, awful.
Things are looking very interesting for the Pups and the West...
So our roster is now loaded with potential between the ages of 19-25…Given the age and trends on other Western Conference rosters can we start to legitimately believe that in 2-3 years that the Western Conference will be topped by the Thunder, Kings, Wolves and Clippers?
Would love it.
Three or Four years may be more realistic, but it’s is possible. Although, many things can change from now until then. Here’s hoping for the best.
What has received almost no publicity is Durant’s 5 yr extension with the Thunder. Screw LeBron and others… Durant shows there is loyalty still out there.
Talent doesn't mean wins...
if our roster isn’t balanced. With the addition of Beasley we are that much heavier at the Forward position. Is Kahn going to move some pieces at some point?
Knicks note
Walsch may now retire – your right – they bet the farm and came out of this in really bad shape. Hate to say it but it couldn’t happen to a more overrated franchise in my opinion…
by Breaking Ankles on Jul 9, 2010 10:13 AM CDT reply actions
This really sunk in...
last night, when ESPN jumped to a clip of Amare wearing that Knicks cap. I broke out laughing, realizing what had just happened to the Knicks franchise, and how funny that, “The Knicks are back.” comment was from STAT.
By the way, Wade did it
and its all due to his great smile I tell you. heh heh heh.
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