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From Jorge Sierra/Hoopshype: Kevin Love: "I’d love to sign an extension and get that out of the way"

Would you like to become a free agent or would you rather sign an extension and get that out of the way?

KL: I’d love to sign an extension and kind of get that out of the way. I’m very comfortable in Minnesota, I like the style that Kurt Rambis has and the coaching staff as well. I want to keep getting better and better and signing an extension would be a little more sweet rather than bitter sweet.

Also from the interview:

Are you going to return to Twitter?

KL: Yeah! I’m looking forward to returning. I got to figure out when I’m going to launch that again. So we’ll see.

 

 

From Jerry Zgoda's twitter account:

Reminder: Catch USA and KLove's vs future teammate Ricky Rubio in exhibition game w/ Spain Sunday 2 pm on NBATV.

 

From NBA.com: Top 10 Timberwolves plays from last season (Via Rubechat)

 

From NBA Playbook: Examining Darko Milicic’s Passing Ability

 

From The Oneida Daily:

Syracuse University basketball All-American Wesley Johnson is appearing at an autograph session today in the Time Warner Store at the Great Northern Mall.

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Smells like spin

I’m glad that KLove is finally saying the right thing.

That being said I just don’t buy it. Some of those questions were total softballs. “How would you rate the job GM David Kahn has done?” I mean seriously, the only reason he didn’t swing for the fences was that someone probably prepped him beforehand on how to answer. I bet some of his handlers, probably his agent, told him that he sounded like a d-bag in his last two interviews and that being seen as a selfish insubordinate whiner could seriously hurt his future free agent value.

by kiteman on Aug 21, 2010 5:09 AM CDT reply actions  

good

then he is learning the PR game. We all FEEL what we feel given certain situations. But that doesn’t mean that we can’t pick and choose when to express those feelings. They should be done under controled circumstances where you get the chance to state how you feel and explain and clarify them so the other people involved can understand. Being able to talk to the media is great, but you don’t want other people who will be impacted by those comments to not have the chance to immediately get clarification.

That way is someone is pissed, they know they are relatively justified in feeling that way, otherwise you can clear it up right away and move on. I like his comments no matter what he really meant.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 21, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Very seriously

1) sports writers are often bottom of the barrel journalists
2) only a small fraction of what pro athletes say actually gets reported on
3) reporters focus on what they can twist into something interesting whether it represents what’s being said or not
4) imho, 99% of the crap we read about Love is out of context

I’ve never read anything that ever made me doubt Love’s commitment to this team or teamwork, just a lot of out-of-context crap that told me next to nothing about the guy.

If he has a fault, it’s that he’s a stat hound. So was KG. I can live with that.

No autopsy, no foul.

by TMiss on Aug 21, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Points 1-3 you are spot on.

Point 4 is not justified because of the number of interviews and past comments that Love has said about the team. For example the Dan Patrick interview he was not taken out of context. He just said how he really feels about the team. So I think this last interview is a smoke screen. His handlers know that you can’t come across as some type of whiner it’s bad for his brand as the “clean cut hard working white guy”.

by chuckd@79 on Aug 21, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

not to be argumentative

but you really don’t know what was said before each interview. Half of how interviews go is determined before the mic is even turned on with craft journos leading unsophisticated athletes into thinking along pre-set lines.

Gotcha journalism is inherently dishonest. A good example was how Roger Mudd killed Ted Kennedy’s 1980 challenge to Jimmy Carter. Mudd infamously asked Kennedy why he wanted to be President and Kennedy had a hard time answering him. That footage was replayed incessantly and made Kennedy look like he didn’t have a plan. There was a very good reason why Kennedy flubbed his answer: he hadn’t announced he was running for President yet! Mudd gave him the choice of announcing then and there, or fumbling for something else to say. The media had already trumpeted Kennedy’s candidacy so the public completely failed to catch how Mudd came up with his phony “gotcha.”

Unless you’re standing there and you listen to everything the reporter and jock say to each other before the interview starts, you really have no idea why people say half of what they say. I can’t say that I know Love has his head on straight, but I do know that I’ve seen no press to date that has made me lose any sleep over KLove’s desire to win or be a good T’wolf.

No autopsy, no foul.

by TMiss on Aug 21, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who cares

the next draft will be awesome I mean this years draft was bad other than wall, favors and cousins no guaranteed stars hell Blake griffin might be rookie of the year
Klove is a role player when we Perry Jones III we won’t need his ass.
I am officially on Perry Jones III drafting and welcoming committee

by KahningPups on Aug 22, 2010 4:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Next year's draft will be thin for US players.

Everyone got in this year if they could, which is why June was quite deep. The Europeans who stayed out this time around because of the thick college competition, meanwhile, will be more willing to declare next summer; they can stay overseas for the lockout and not take a huge financial hit.

Agents are going to need to help NCAA clients who do declare in 2011. Until the CBA gets ironed out, nobody’s signing any contracts.

"As long as a man stands in his own way, everything seems to be in his way." RWE

by feral on Aug 22, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was a bandwagoner for Love, then turned on him when he whined,

but if he’s sincere, I’m off his case. I realize young kids say stupid things and,
I realize, some kids need to get over being spoiled — and sometimes do mature. I’m pulling for him. This team will be a good match for his skill set.
Any other type of team he would probably spend long stretches on the bench
squad. This track team of finishers is perfect for his pull-downs & outlets.
Really, it’s the best match in the NBA for him, if he wants big minutes.

by BaylorWest on Aug 22, 2010 5:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

By the way, he looked kind of fat in that Lithuania game.

He needs some time in the gym with a trainer. He needs to become a gym rat.

by BaylorWest on Aug 22, 2010 5:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

Being a team player means sometimes doing a job you don’t want to do for the sake of the team. It also sometimes means saying something you don’t necessarily mean or not saying something you want to for the sake of team unity. This interview is a step in the right direction for Love and made me feel better about his attitudes to the team insofar as he at least cares enough to clarify his earlier points. My post was aimed less at Love, whom I genuinely like and have high hopes for as a player and team leader, and more at the Loveophiles like mutleyil who can’t tell the difference between an unfiltered interview and a PR job.

by kiteman on Aug 21, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

so

When he says something candid that can be seen as unflattering, it’s honest, and when he says something candid that speaks well of him it’s spin?

The * Love gets on this site is pretty sad. %It sucks having a talented, thoughtful player who actually says something other than ‘both teams played hard’ cliches…

For what it’s worth, that sounds pretty plain and open to me. If he wanted to ‘spin’ he’d have done a Ricky, and said something about happily being under contract to the wolves right now, and is so focused on this season that he doesn’t think about extensions and free agency in the future. He had no need to go where he did.

by rickyp on Aug 22, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

NBAPlaybook is such a great little site.

Check out that breakdown of Darko’s passing. Definitely worth the read.

"As long as a man stands in his own way, everything seems to be in his way." RWE

by feral on Aug 21, 2010 5:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Over at A Wolf Among Wolves

zach harper has a nice little write up on this article.

Hopefully Darko’s passing will improve now that he’s actually playing basketball again rather than sitting on the bench for almost an entire season.

I would drive 10 miles to hear fucktwats sing.

by littleboxes on Aug 21, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good quote...but...

Where are all the “Kevin Love is a bad influence” people?

Oh yeah, I forgot, they only comment when he makes a quote that can be twisted and misinterpreted to fit their agenda…

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Aug 21, 2010 8:47 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

not that I think I am one of those people

but please read above. I liked the maturity of those comments by him and I was very critical with his last two comments, but like Love as a player and future member of the wolves.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 21, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

they only comment...

…when Love makes a boneheaded comment.

by Django Z on Aug 21, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Boneheads...

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Aug 21, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have some bones in my head. Don’t you? Aren’t we all ,therefore, “boneheads?” ;)

Timberwolves - NBA champs 2013!
(used with permission - Wolf in MO)

by frankenhoops on Aug 21, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love to hear him say he wishes Rubio comes over and playes

Just to be able to hear someone outside of the Front Office doubt Flynn’s abilities. Should tweet the link to Flynn, maybe he’ll get off the Madden and work on his game.

by NorthernLights666 on Aug 21, 2010 11:01 AM CDT reply actions  

And to have Love come out and publicly say he wants Rubio to come

says a lot about what he thinks of Flynn’s game, do you think playing with Curry on the USA team or playing with Jennings in AAU, or even being a teammate of Collison at UCLA, three PGs who were drafted after Flynn but look to have better careers has anything to do with it?

by NorthernLights666 on Aug 21, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Kevin Love the new GM?

He also said we should draft Wes Johnson too. Most people on this site think drafting Wes was a bad idea.

by chuckd@79 on Aug 21, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

he just didn’t want to bang/hang with cousins… Seriously though good PR David should be more the big twitter.

by KahningPups on Aug 21, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

you mean that all-american, with four years of college?

disregarding who we could have drafted, when i look at the roster, i feel better about wes johnson than just about anyone else. i think it was the safe pick.
but, no one knows till the team gets on the floor and start playing.

phuckin' machine took my quarter.

by speed-racer on Aug 21, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

seriously?

I think any player on almost every NBA team would be excited about Rubio coming to their team, regardless of the abilities of their current NBA point guard. I don’t think Love’s comments say much at all about his thoughts on Flynn’s talents.

I would drive 10 miles to hear fucktwats sing.

by littleboxes on Aug 21, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh. I don’t think there’s much reason to say that. It’s easy to judge a guy based on the really limited window of his life that we have, but I’d like to know a lot more about Flynn before saying he doesn’t take being a pro seriously. That seems a little unfair.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Aug 21, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

For all the CH fans who've been asking about live streams

ATDHE.net will b’cast Team USA’s game with Lithuania this afternoon. The game is scheduled for 4 pm CDT, but the feeds are sometimes a little slow getting started.

No autopsy, no foul.

by TMiss on Aug 21, 2010 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Sorry

I meant 2 pm — mixed up my times.

No autopsy, no foul.

by TMiss on Aug 21, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't see the first half

But Love hasn’t seen the floor in the 2nd half so far.

Everyone take a breath.

by losDelFuego on Aug 21, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

spoke too soon

he’s in with 6 minutes left in the game.

Everyone take a breath.

by losDelFuego on Aug 21, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

he didn't play in the first at all only the fourth qrt

and chandler has sucked as a center.
he hit is head now so he wouldn’t play now

by KahningPups on Aug 21, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

aaand

he’s out with 3 left in the game. bumped his head taking a charge.

Love in 3 minutes, from memory: 0-1 fg, 2-2 ft, 1 foul, 0 reb

Everyone take a breath.

by losDelFuego on Aug 21, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

hopefully

Love will play more tomorrow against Spain. Really looking forward to that one.

No autopsy, no foul.

by TMiss on Aug 21, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

he totally had a rebound

at least I thought I saw one.

I would drive 10 miles to hear fucktwats sing.

by littleboxes on Aug 21, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

he did

and also drew a charge.

by Dominate on Aug 21, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

No charge was called

and that’s the play where he bumped his head on the floor.

No autopsy, no foul.

by TMiss on Aug 21, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

i read the article and don't have a problem with love's responses...

maybe with the team usa experience he is learning some interview skills. i wouldn’t be surprised if their was some classroom time devoted to team representation, dealing with the media and pr doo’s and don’ts.

i kinda have a problem with the way a couple of the questions were framed and worded.
they seem designed to fish for or elicit responses that could make better media bites.

i could read into his answers, but i won’t due to the way the questions were asked.

phuckin' machine took my quarter.

by speed-racer on Aug 21, 2010 2:04 PM CDT reply actions  

We're in denial about KLove

He’s just a great 6th man who can put up good numbers on a bad team…but as Team USA is showing he’s not very great and this version of Team USA is quite lousy.

by Dominate on Aug 21, 2010 5:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Love played less than two minutes!?

Agree that Team USA isn’t anything too special this time around, but so far Love hasn’t gotten enough playing time for anyone to say whether he’s got intl game or not.

No autopsy, no foul.

by TMiss on Aug 21, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t he getting more minutes before tweaking his calf? They might be giving him some time to get back to 100% before giving him serious minutes. I don’t expect him to play 30 a game or anything, but if he can’t get 15 or so when Rudy Gay is seeing time at the 4, I’m calling out Coach K for terrible rotations. He’s said over and over that the team is going to struggle on the boards, leaving Love on the bench to go super tiny and not very good with Gay at the PF is just conceding the glass to our opponents’ every single game. It’s bad coaching.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Aug 21, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

He wasn't getting more than 10 minutes

of playing time if I recall. He’s basically a scrub 3rd option 5 who gets garbage minutes. He’s not getting time at the 4 because not even LO gets time at the 4.

Apparently Love doesn’t bring enough to the table to make his rebounding that important. The other 3s playing 4 in Fiba can gang rebound.

by Dominate on Aug 21, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure what Love doesn’t bring to the table for the FIBA game. He passes well for a big, he can make open looks, rebounds the hell out of the basketball and holds post position well. He might struggle guarding smaller, quicker 4s, but considering how easily the rebounding problem can be dealt with by Team USA by playing a smart lineup, Coach K better retire that talking point. A lineup of Chandler/Love/Durant/Curry/Rondo would be an excellent rebounding lineup in the NBA and would play a lot like a souped up OKC. Running with Odom/Gay/Durant/Billups/Rose is a tiny lineup that can’t defend or rebound nearly well enough to overcome its obvious weaknesses.

We’ve seen Coach K’s weird roster dogmas in action before (Centers have to anchor the paint, Power Forwards have to stretch the floor, the team has to be able to run folks off the floor) and it worked fine when he had the absolute best players in the world, but now, he needs to build a gameplan around what he’s got. If he thinks Team USA is going to get killed on the boards and in the paint, and he’s going tiny and leaving one of the best rebounders in the NBA on the bench, he’s making a dumb mistake. If Don Nelson were coaching this team and made rotation decisions like this, people would call him a nutjob. No one seems to care when Coach K is making a small team even smaller.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Aug 21, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed
A lineup of Chandler/Love/Durant/Curry/Rondo would be an excellent rebounding lineup in the NBA and would play a lot like a souped up OKC

I agree with this but they won’t be a very good defensive team and they won’t be that great at all. Having Love and Curry in there takes a lot than it brings to the starting unit. No post scoring, inferior perimeter defense and even lousier intangibles. Curry is too small to start at the 2, Love isn’t great enough around the basket on the offensive end to make up for Chandler’s shortcomings.

I hope Love makes the cut and gets to actually play in more of the games and isn’t reduced to the Boozer role, but so far all I’ve seen is mediocrity from Love on this USA team.

Love should just work harder at improving because even Rose is looking lousy on this USA team because he doesn’t do anything that others don’t do better and as a result seems to be lost trying to find his role on the team.

by Dominate on Aug 21, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

No matter what, this team is going to have serious obstacles winning gold. It won’t remove all weaknesses with any lineup, but playing one of your only 3 big guys less than 10 minutes per game while not getting defense (or really anything special at all if it’s Gay) from his replacement is just making bad rotations. Love is a good enough player to make giving Gay/Granger/Iggy more than a few minutes per game at the 4 totally unnecessary. Coach K seems married to the 1 in, 4 out, Orlando style offense that worked with the Redeem Team. He doesn’t have the roster for that this year. At least the OKC style roster spaces the floor and doesn’t get murdered in the post. They won’t have post scoring no matter what, but making the big man deficiency even worse is senseless.

I’ll wait to make real judgments on Coach K’s performance until the games count, but I’m definitely on edge about him right now. I hope it doesn’t take Tiago Splitter dropping 40 on the Granger/Gay power forward platoon for him to get this figured out.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Aug 21, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're resting his leg, limiting his minutes.

Coach K would be in deep trouble if he hurt an NBA team’s player.

by BaylorWest on Aug 22, 2010 5:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was a pretty lukewarm statement, at any rate.

Even the suggestion that signing an extension could be “bittersweet” is hardly enthusiastic.

But we don’t know beans about this interview – was there something before or after that quote that led him to say it that way? – and anyway the kid can’t sign anything for another year. He’s just running off at the mouth…. Much like all of us here, talking about the same subject.

"As long as a man stands in his own way, everything seems to be in his way." RWE

by feral on Aug 22, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

it means

signing an extension would be sweet, and leaving would be bittersweet. though I’m it can be spun into something bad…oh I see it already has in the other comments.

by rickyp on Aug 22, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

(Uh, that really isn't a reasonable reading of the quote.)
Would you like to become a free agent or would you rather sign an extension and get that out of the way?

KL: I’d love to sign an extension and kind of get that out of the way. I’m very comfortable in Minnesota, I like the style that Kurt Rambis has and the coaching staff as well. I want to keep getting better and better and signing an extension would be a little more sweet rather than bitter sweet.

“A little more”?

Nobody really needs to pile on. Love’s just chatting away, and it didn’t quite hang together. No matter. Even he doesn’t have that much skin in the game, given the timing of the contract process, so he doesn’t need to make carefully considered P.R.-friendly remarks.

This is all way upstream of the bridge.

"As long as a man stands in his own way, everything seems to be in his way." RWE

by feral on Aug 22, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

something the game announcers kept commenting on

was that FIBA coaches don’t like to show their real game in the exhibition games. Coach K understands FIBA pretty well, so maybe we’re not seeing his real line up.

No autopsy, no foul.

by TMiss on Aug 21, 2010 11:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree

but when we draft Perry Jones ship Klove west. the kid is the next KG

by KahningPups on Aug 22, 2010 3:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

But, but, but...

I thought Ndudi Ebi was the next KG?!

No autopsy, no foul.

by TMiss on Aug 22, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did anyone else watch those top plays?

I think over the past year, I have probably watched that Corey Brewer dunk on DFish at least 500 times. It’s truly awesome. However, number 7 on the countdown was a lefthanded layup by JFly. Honestly, I could have probably done that.

And a final observation after watching that tape: I already miss the green in our jerseys. : (

Dear Alex Gordon:

I still think you will be awesome, but for the love of God, please stop getting hurt.

Sincerely,

RF

by RoyalFlush on Aug 22, 2010 4:30 AM CDT reply actions  

#7?

Flynn beats his man, goes inside and draws harm from the big with some nice body control – securing the 110-108 win against Utah. Without the game context you wouldn’t know why they chose that one.

"As long as a man stands in his own way, everything seems to be in his way." RWE

by feral on Aug 22, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

ahhh ya i didn't know the context.

It was a nice play, but certainly no top 10 if seen in a vaccuum. Gotta love how Corey Brewer had the 3 best plays of the year. Hopefully we’ll see some of those Brewer-esque dunks out of Wes Johnson this year.

Dear Alex Gordon:

I still think you will be awesome, but for the love of God, please stop getting hurt.

Sincerely,

RF

by RoyalFlush on Aug 22, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Imagine we're the Wolves' film department.

You really gotta have a representative play for certain players, and you have to show some wins for the sake of all that is good and true. Meanwhile your biggest victory of the year featured Ryan Gomes going off on Denver without producing a single real “highlight,” and anyway he’s gone…. Hard to envy ’em. ;-)

"As long as a man stands in his own way, everything seems to be in his way." RWE

by feral on Aug 23, 2010 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

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