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Melo to the Wolves?

 

Early word around NBA is Nuggets will try to trade Carmelo to 1 of 3 teams: Wolves, Kings, Nets. In other words, careful what you wish for.

 

http://twitter.com/SamAmicoNBA/status/22355665914

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While this is highly unlikely, the idea is apparently being thrown around. I personally don't see any reason to trade for an unextended Carmelo Anthony (and make no mistake, he won't sign to play here). 

In a dream world, we could offer a package of Flynn, Beasley, Wes/Webster, picks, instant cap relief that would trump any other team. But back in reality, the Nets would also be able to make a nice offer (some combination of Favors/TWill/picks/cap relief) while still having a nice core (Harris/Lee/Melo/Lopez).

What do you think? Should we make an offer for Melo?

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Should we make an offer for Carmelo Anthony?
No way! He would only be a one-year rental. Why should we give up assets?
137 votes
Absolutely! Maybe Rubio/Love/Rambis would get him to re-sign.
86 votes
Yes, but only offer cap relief, picks, & role players
100 votes

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I voted the qualified "yes"

If we got him for assets we don’t need, we’d have to do it — assuming it is a sign & trade, of course, otherwise they tell the Nougats to walk.

If we deal for Melo, my guess is that it happens for two reasons in combination:

1. Rambis & Kahn have reservations about how Beasley would work with Love, and see a better combination with Love & Melo.

2. If they are in contact with Rubio & his agent (and it’s hard to imagine they are not), and if Ricky gets really happy with the prospect of Melo on the team, and if the front office is confident that a Melo presence would bring Ricky over here in 2011…

…then they would do the deal for Melo.

What would we have that Denver would want that we could afford to give up?

A combo of Beasley, Flynn and Brewer would not hurt us much, in fact would probably be a net positive. Maybe we give a pick too, and take another contract back, but I’m guessing we’d want to do those three straight up, or maybe substitute Webster for Brewer. But I’d roll with Beasley, Flynn & Brewer, and maybe a filler like Koufos. Of course, I’m pretty sure that others on the board are more astute and can come up with other interesting combinations.

My guess is he goes to the Nets, however, because he likes that New York vibe.

by timmuggs on Aug 28, 2010 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

A combo of

Rubio, Melo and Beasley will be insanely fun to watch.

by Dominate on Aug 28, 2010 8:57 PM CDT reply actions  

It'd have to be a

sign-and-trade in my opinion

by RB10 on Aug 30, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

On a side note:

I think that there is a really good chance that any Melo deal could involve the Wolves since the Nuggets are roughly $25 mil over the cap and will be looking to shed some salary (not surprisingly, the Kings, Nets, & Wolves have the 3 lowest payrolls in the NBA). By taking back a big one year contract, we could continue to add assets.

by jballer_13 on Aug 28, 2010 10:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Wait, what?

Turning our raw cap space into a big one year contract does not constitute “adding assets.”

by John Doe on Aug 29, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not going to happen

he would definitely bail after the season, but if we can get him on a Gasol-like trade then why not.

by dunebugs on Aug 28, 2010 11:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Not gonna happen he'll never resign here

Even if he would he’s another possible head case. I don’t want a guy that forces his way out of a team that can still win a title with their current roster.

If he’s a one year rental then he destroys what we are trying to build here for the future so again bad.

Good player but wrong team. No No No No No!

by waldo11teen on Aug 29, 2010 12:01 AM CDT reply actions  

If we can persuade this guy...

that teaming up with Rubio and Love works for his future, and get him to sign an extension, then abso-frickin-lutely. Otherwise, nope.

by LoveTo on Aug 29, 2010 2:22 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

He’s that go-to scorer that a team needs. He’s got some flaws that keep him from being a tier 1 superstar, but scoring isn’t one of them and I think it’s going to be one area where we sometimes struggle. Playing next to well-rounded guys like Rubio and Wes could help mask his flaws and really bring out the best in the guy. But it only makes sense if he’d resign.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Aug 29, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was actually just thinking

during the latest Love v Melo debate that the two of them would really make perfect complements. Unfortunately we’d have to get a whole bunch of defensive role players to complement the two of them…

You're not letting natural selection take its course! You're like the guy who invented the seatbelt...

by Mplax on Aug 29, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or,

Use Wes Johnson at SG. Rubio, Wes, Melo, Love, and Darko would be a lot of fun. Might not win a title, but 55+ wins and entertainment is not bad consolation.

by Rumblebee on Aug 29, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well

Rubio and Wes should be plus defenders (at least Wes has the tools to be), so all we need then is a C who can defend. Any way we can pry Nene away from the Nuggs with Melo? I doubt it, but that would be just about an ideal complementary team to Ricky.

RR/Wes/Melo/Love/Nene would be a top tier team for years. Pure fantasy, I know..

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Aug 30, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only way we get that lineup...

…is by trading RR, Love & Wes to Denver for the Broncos.

by timmuggs on Aug 30, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

And what, pray tell

would we have to cough up for a 12 month rental of Melo?

I think this is the first time in history one man managed to destroy an entire city by himself. Even the Enola Gay had a flight crew.

by Auswolf on Aug 29, 2010 4:10 AM CDT reply actions  

It's tough to say

This thing is far from being over. Melo already gave his ideal teams, so the Nuggets are firing back and lowballing him by threatening to send him to one of the 3 worst teams from last year. So who knows if he even gets traded….

I don’t think they find an ideal spot for both sides (ala KG to Boston). If this is the case and neither side will budge then I don’t see Melo netting more than cap relief, picks, etc; which would be like a lose-lose scenario for both sides. I would be okay with an offer like:

Den In: Massive TPE, Memphis 1st, Brewer/Webster
Den Out: Melo, JR Sprewell

Denver drops well below the luxury line gets a decent pick and a decent player. After luxury considerations they would save roughly $30 Mil this year.

Min In: 1 year of Melo
Min Out: Brewer/Webster, Memphis 1st, Utah 1st, $3 Mil

We get one year of Melo for essentially nothing. We would likely be losing either Brewer or Webster in the future and would probably get back a late 1st in a Melo S&T after the year.

3rd team in: JR Smith, Utah 1st, $3 Mil
3rd team out: TPE/raw salary

This would be a team that has a big TPE (Cleveland, Toronto, etc.) or is still under the cap. They take on 1 year of salary (possibly even cutting him). Get back $3 Mil and a later 1st rounder (roughly worth $3 Mil) to essentially cover JR’s salary.

by jballer_13 on Aug 29, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure why the Wolves would do that

Getting Melo for 1 year does nothing to develop our current players, in fact it sets us back.

It’s a clever trade if we wanted to show we could do it, but the question is: Why?

We are trying to build for the future. Need number one at this point is stability and playing time for the young guys.

I would sure like to see Melo, Love and Rubio as a long term threesome. But one year of Melo just to help him get a better contract elsewhere? Makes no sense to me for this team.

by timmuggs on Aug 29, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with the sentiment....

…but you also have to realize that this franchise hasn’t been relevant for a long time. We’ve been playing for lottery position and nothing else the last 5 years. There’s no doubt that having a player like Melo would put us in playoff talks and we could start teaching the young guys how to win games and to play in pressure situations. Building that type of environment has to be pretty high on the need-to-do list as well.

Also, if Beasley would embrace a 6th man role for one year, he would be learning from one of the league’s best scorers. And given Beasley’s skill set, Melo would be THE ideal forward to help mold his offense game. I would imagine that every guy on our team would learn more about the nuances of the game from Melo both in practice and in the locker-room.

Given Kahn’s willingness to help players reach a more favorable destination, I could see him setting up a mutually beneficial situation where Melo comes in for a year and is the veteran mentor we’ve all been wanting and we help him out in a S&T after the year. Again these are HUGE if’s and the chance of him coming here this year is only slightly higher than Rubio coming, but I really don’t see much downside in teaching our young guys how to win.

by jballer_13 on Aug 29, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

i can't see it working, and i don't like it even if it would work.

his agents are trying to call all shots. they turned down a 3 year / $65 million extention, and handed the noogies a short list of teams to deal a trade with, arrogant sob’s. i doubt t-pups are on that list. i doubt he would sign an extention here anyway (if he won’t sign long term, then why get him at all?).

i wouldn’t want a player with a +/- $22 million salary on this team now or in the near future, and then only if we were a top 5 team in the league. for the kind of money he is looking for, i would want someone with a complete game and one who shows real leadership on and off the court. i don’t think this describes anthony.

we would have to give up a lot of assets and flexibility. i voted no way.

phuckin' machine took my quarter.

by speed-racer on Aug 29, 2010 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Food for thought

There is some value to holding ’Melo’s rights because of the upcoming CBA expiration. If he’s not in his ideal city this season, he’ll be forced to choose between money and location. He could certainly wait until his contract expires and sign in New York as a free agent, but he’ll be potentially costing himself multiple millions of dollars per year in doing so.

If the choice were New York vs. Minnesota evenly, then we don’t have a chance. But New York or Minnesota + an extra $5 million/year?

by John Doe on Aug 29, 2010 12:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Sacremento or Minnesota

From a pure competitive standpoint, It seems that either of these teams would be ideal for Anthony in the long run. Both have solid players still on their rookie contracts which would mean that even with giving Melo a maximum deal, there would still be flexibility to acquire more assets in building a contender.

If we could sign Melo and bring Rubio here, we could trade Flynn, Beasley, Brewer and our roster would still have a lot of talent. No one else could offer a package of similar quality to Denver. After Kobe, Dirk, Duncan, and Nash depart in a couple years, who in the West will really be able to compete witth a Rubio-Melo-Love triple threat, with Ridnour, Webster, Johnson, Pekovic and Darko as complimentary players.

If Melo goes east, then he has to contend with Miami and Chicago for the next 5 -7 years.

I like that the Wolves accumulated so many young assets now, but I hope at some point they try to move 3 or 4 of those pieces for one or two real diamonds. I think in part Kevin Pritchard lost his job in Portland because he could never convert all his multiple young talents (Outlaw, Oden, Rudy, Webster, Batum, Rodriguez, etc.) into a superstud, and now the Blazers are looking at Roy and Aldridge as their cornerstones. Now the Blazers are losing all those other young guys for nothing.

by Mike B. on Aug 29, 2010 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

I’ve mentioned the Pritchard analogy before. For all his faults, at least Kahn will never be accused of GM paralysis. Here’s hoping he trades in the right pieces… (the flirtation with Rudy Gay isn’t tremendously reassuring…)

by deus04 on Aug 30, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like that the Wolves accumulated so many young assets now, but I hope at some point they try to move 3 or 4 of those pieces for one or two real diamonds.

i agree with that. but i don’t want to see them get anthony. i think there will be better opporunities around january-february before trade deadline. plus, it gives mn a chance to evaluate and showcase the players we have and would part with.

phuckin' machine took my quarter.

by speed-racer on Aug 29, 2010 2:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Better opportunities than Melo?

Like who?

Perhaps Paul I guess, but if you can hold on to Rubio’s rights you have a trade chip for Paul so I don’t see one really getting in the way of the other unless we end up taking back a lot of salary from Denver.

by J_Scott on Aug 29, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did not vote

Your pole sucks. It’s missing the option Only if it’s a S&T with at least a 3 year extension.Rubio/Love/Melo is an exciting core.

by zebano on Aug 30, 2010 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

You never know

Melo has played against Ricky, so who knows? He may find the prospect of playing with him to be very appealing. Or he may see the potential on this roster and be interested in being a part of it. People are instantly writing off any chance of Melo signing an extension here, but stranger things have happened. Only Melo knows what he’s thinking. That said, I’ve never seen Melo as a champion and he will most likely choose glitz, glam and cash over a chance to be the savior of a team.

That said, I’d prefer to see what our young guys can do this year and not move any of our pieces until the trade deadline at the earliest. Their value should only increase the next couple months. Someone is gonna be desperate to unload salary at the deadline this year and that’s where we’ll be waiting with open arms!

by Cobra312004 on Aug 30, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

…I’d prefer to see what our young guys can do this year and not move any of our pieces until the trade deadline at the earliest. Their value should only increase the next couple months. Someone is gonna be desperate to unload salary at the deadline this year…

i like this statement, and i would even start showcasing players and contacting teams earlier to drum up potential deals (as in 3 team trades / multiple players…). i think we should definately
make a significant acquisition or two this year by trade deadline.

phuckin' machine took my quarter.

by speed-racer on Aug 30, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

One thing in our favor...

Anyone who has been to Syracuse knows that Mpls is a better place to live.

With one exception, perhaps. They have an awesome BBQ rib place called Dinosaur Ribs or something similar.

Still, he’s probably able to tell the difference between Hennepin Avenue in MPLS and Broadway in NYC.

by timmuggs on Aug 30, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

We do NOT have the

Personnel needed to keep Melo from bolting, he wants to leave Denver because he knows they can’t win it all, I don’t know if we even make the playoffs with Melo on our squad, it sucks but it is what it is. On a side note Orlando has the potential to become very dangerous, I mean they have the pieces to get Paul, which could easily help them land Melo

by TheGreat on Aug 30, 2010 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

interesting tidbit about c-anthony...

earlier, melo’s agents tried to call the shots on denver by giving them a list of 3 teams for the nuggets to work
a trade with. i don’t think these three teams were on that list. good for denver, don’t take that krap from melo.

Nuggets target 3 teams for Anthony trade (from: the sporting news Aug 30, 3:47 am EDT)

Perhaps Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony(notes) will reconsider his desire to be traded.

According to a report by NBA.com, the three teams that the Nuggets most want to work with should they decide to trade Anthony are the Timberwolves, Kings and Nets, three teams that combined for 52 wins last year. Anthony is said to be amenable to a trade with the Nets, though the Rockets and Knicks are preferred destinations.

New Nuggets general manager Masai Ujiri told NBA.com, "I’m excited to meet with Melo and just go over everything. I don’t know what difference I’m going to make, but I’m excited. This has been Melo’s team and Melo’s city almost, basketballwise. He’s built a legacy here. The players who have played in one city and stayed in one city have done pretty well."

phuckin' machine took my quarter.

by speed-racer on Aug 31, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

if anything this just further speeds up the breakup

drawing lines in the sand doesn’t usually improve any relationship. My guess is the Rockets offer the best of both worlds but need another team to facilitate so Denver doesn’t have to take back dollar for dollar. Rockets have a NY pick coming and a pickswap option on their pick this year (I think).

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 31, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

just for giggles, if mn were involved, what could we walk away with in a 3-team deal?

j.r. smith (with 3 year extention stipulation)?
kevin martin (3 years remaining at $12M approx.)?
chauncey billups (take on his 1-year remaining for mentor role)?

got any ideas?

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/minnesota.htm
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/denver.htm
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm

phuckin' machine took my quarter.

by speed-racer on Aug 31, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it would have to involve the wolves taking back some kind of expiring

maybe from Houston (battier?) and a pick or something to make the other salaries work. I am not sure what Denver would want from Houston though. They have some pieces but I don’t know how Denver would want to reshape themselves.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 31, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

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