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Recently I was part of a discussion that looked at the average age of the Minnesota Timberwolves to see if they really were the youngest team in the league. Then it became what their record looked like in relation to other, similarly young teams in the league. What we found isn't what I'm going to talk about here.

No, what you'll see below the jump is the answer to a different question. To a response in that discussion that said "experience matters over age and this team has plenty of it". But that made me wonder: do they?

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The short answer is no. The long answer is interesting, or at least it was for me. Here is the numbers from the Timberwolves roster page on their website:

 

Michael Beasley 2
Corey Brewer 3
Wayne Ellington 1
Jonny Flynn 1
Lazar Hayward R
Wesley Johnson R
Kosta Koufos 2
Kevin Love 2
Darko Milicic 7
Nikola Pekovic R
Luke Ridnour 7
Sebastian Telfair 6
Anthony Tolliver 2
Martell Webster 5

Now, for anybody wondering, these don't include the current year. So what you're looking at is a team with 3 rookies, 2 sophomores and 4 3rd year players. That means that 9 of the 14 players on the roster have less then 3 years of experience in the NBA and of those 9, 6 are in the regular rotation (Beasley, Love, Flynn, Johnson, Pekovic and Tolliver, forgetting about injuries).

That in itself is interesting but there's more. Darko, for instance, has only played roughly 2000 more career minutes then Love despite having 5 more years in the NBA. So does he really have 5 years of extra experience, all things considered?

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Moving on, if you average out those numbers you end up with 2.7 years of experience per player on the roster. That's...incredible. Forget youth; this means that the average player on this team is just over half way through their rookie contract. That's kind of impressive when you think about it. But, again, let's look at this further.

Let's assume that Telfair, Ellington, Hayward and Koufos are more or less out of the rotation. Averaging out the remaining 10 players still only equals 2.9. Keeping this going, let's take out Darko because, like I mentioned, his 7 years is a little deceptive. We end up with 2.4 with those 5 gone. And just for fun, let's take out Webster and Ridnour as well. After that we get 1.4. So that means between Flynn, Johnson, Brewer, Beasley, Love, Pekovic and Tolliver, there's only an average of 1.4 years of experience per player. Again, that's an incredible amount of inexperience for any team, especially considering all of these guys are more or less in the main rotation.

What am I trying to say with this? Honestly...I'm not sure. A lot will probably look at this like some sort of long winded excuse for losing. But there's a growing negativity sweeping the Wolves fandom and, I guess, this fanpost is an attempt by me to maybe give people a little optimism with their coffee. This team is young, but more then that they're inexperienced. Is it tough to watch the kinds of losses we, as die hard fans, have? Hell to the yes. But it's part of the process. They're still growing, learning, and as much as it might suck only patience will see real results.

 

Oh, and this is my first fanpost so please...be kind. Hope you enjoy :).

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Last nights game was tough to take....

But I’m with you on all the negativity. THis team is still infinitely more watchable than last year and still appears to be on the right track. They have taken a step backwards in hte last week but who thought that they never would this season? I think its legitimate to question Rambis about some things..but he;‘s also the guy who has gotten Love to the level he’s at, Beasely, etc. I hope the wolves and the fans can have some patience and see where we’re at at the end of the year.

by kingsxman on Jan 8, 2011 6:49 AM CST reply actions  

The thing is their style of play(high pace) doesn't help

There was a study done by the US military years ago(it appears in Gary Klein’s book Sources of Power) on chess grand masters vs amatuers that tested how good their decision making process was when faced with increasing time pressure. The US military wanted to know how their commanders would fare under similar time pressure. The results were that the grand masters got even better and the amateurs significantly worse. This team decided to play fast paced basketball and couple it with inexperience, that ignores how the minds of your players work.

There’s a reason D’antoni didn’t like Darko and doesn’t like Randolph and there’s also a reason that the Timberwolves should stop using bad heuristics like “athleticism” to choose their players, their pace makes amateur players worse and experienced players better. I suspect if you used something like lifetime minutes of basketball played as your unit of analysis that your top three would be Ridnour, Tolliver, and Love(even though he is 22) .

by blackswanhunter on Jan 8, 2011 10:16 AM CST reply actions  

Great point on the pace of play and experience

Makes sense, picking up the pace exposes our young guys, and is an advantage for the other team. Maybe we should act on that insight.

by timmuggs on Jan 8, 2011 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

shangrila...

I always enjoy your commentary and perspective on the Wolves. I commend you on your post and appreciate your attempts to provide us with an optimistic outlook. Unfortunately, I still have marked problems with this team that I do not feel are attributable to youth. Most importantly, the egregiously insipid turnovers this team makes are completely incredulous. As I have said countless times before it is one thing if you lose the ball because the defender made a phenomenal play by accepting a charge or jumping into a passing lane, but an entirely different thing if you can’t inbound the ball (this is the NBA after all), throw a pass to a teammate without looking at him as though you are Magic Johnson (i.e.-Darko’s pass to Beasley in OT against Charlotte, Corey’s pass to Flynn during that same game where he threw the ball behind his back at half court, but luckily nobody was there to take it away from them), etc. In addition, youth cannot account for a complete lack of effort. In fact, it is the one area I would expect our youth to be advantageous. Accordingly, although I am willing to accept a lot from the Wolves as a result of their youth, I have been incredibly frustrated with their lack of effort save a few players, and ridiculous decision making as I have seen highschool players that would not make the blunders they do. And what worries the most is that I don’t think that time will remedy some of the inherent problems many of players have. I don’t buy that time will make Flynn develop a higher IQ than that of a mentally retarded person (no offense to mentally retarded people intended), Brewer develop a more controlled offensive game or a jumpshot (it’s been nearly four years), Johnson develop the ability to create his own offense off the dribble, Love become more athletic so that he is not so great a defensive liability, Darko become more confident, aggressive, and quicker with his decision making (he seems to be regressing), Ridnour become quicker so that he isn’t a sieve for the opposing point guard, etc. I do agree with everyone that there are some good pieces in place such as Love (his defense not withstanding) and Beasley. There is some reason to be optimistic I suppose in this regard so I don’t mean to entirely rain on your parade as opposed to just lightly drizzle on it. Take care my friend and well done on the post…

by bsg007 on Jan 8, 2011 5:11 PM CST reply actions  

The turnovers...

…strike me as something that comes from both being young and not knowing your teammates, both of which this team has.

by shangrila on Jan 9, 2011 1:11 AM CST up reply actions  

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