The Dumbest David Kahn Quote Ever (so far)
From Jason Quick's twitter, before last night's game:
"Wolves GM David Kahn says pregame that he thinks PG Flynn will be an All-Star one day"
Either Kahn is a complete idiot, or he thinks everyone around him is a complete idiot. Neither scenario bodes well for his skills as a GM.
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I reported that quote twice yesterday
this on the heels of Darko being declared a future all star by Kahn just a few days earlier.
It’s clear Kahn is delusional.
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I thought it was a joke.
Did Kahn actually say that?
well..
…we know that’s true.
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sorry
< david kahn voice > well andy g, methinks you know the answer to that one < / david kahn voice >
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I kind of..
defended him when he made the Darko comment, but there is no way I’m remotely agreeing with him about Flynn, and I wish to retract any comments I once made about Darko’s potential as he has essentially lost me.
Settle Down
Obviously Khan isn’t going to rip Flynn when he is trying to trade him. He may have gone a bit overboard, but when he is trying to trade him what is he going to be like, “Yeah Flynn sucks, that was a mistake.”?
the gap is too wide
the difference between where Yawny is today and where Kahn projects him to be? Answer: sanity
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What would you like him to say then?
When asked how good he thinks Flynn will be? Do you want him to rip Flynn while he’s still on our roster? I think Flynn sucks but I think a team like Toronto could be coaxed into a Bayless/Flynn swap right now, but if Khan rips him then there is no value at all
Silence
That would be a good place for him to be right now.
Do you really think guys like Daryl Morey and Brian Colangelo are going to change their minds about a player because of what Kahn says about him? What GM in the league is going to take something like that into consideration? No team is going to be coaxed into a multi-million dollar transaction because of something like that. It’s completely gratuitous and the only reason Kahn says it is because he either believes it (he’s delusional) or he thinks fans will believe it (he’s condescending and patronizing).
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Exactly
Even if it were an attempt to bolster Flynn’s trade value, it would be an extremely transparent one the minute he calls Morey to “dangle” Flynn after touting how great Flynn is. It’s like the kid in the cafeteria who talks up his raisins before trying to trade them for your cupcake. It’s stupid and nobody is fooled.
So, in essence, he’s stupid either way (either delusional or painfully transparent).
If asked what he thinks of Johnny Flynn...
What would you like him to say then? You guys tell me. Reporter guy asks Khan “What do you think Johnny Flynn’s prospects are, he’s having a rough start to the year-how do you think he’s going to fair?”
Khan: “(You fill the blank in)”
Any can answer because you are all apparently a lot smarter than myself.
My god
Cut the “everybody must be smarter” crap.
Anyone who has a job in the public eye should, at the very least, know how to give a non-answer answer. Kahn: “Nobody works harder than Jonny Flynn to become the best player he can be. He’s off to a slow start this year but he’s engaged and willing to be a team leader. Might I remind you that he is coming off of a very delicate procedure; one that sidelined Sidney Rice for the better part of a year, and one that saw him take a long time to come back at full strength. Jonny will be ok. In fact, he’ll be more than ok.”
It’s not rocket science, at least it shouldn’t be—especially for a guy that used to work in the media.
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That's a fair answer
I’ll give you that, my point is every body is ripping Khan and I’m just sitting here thinking to myself “well I don’t agree with his assessment of Flynn, but I really don’t think it’s the end of the world.”
i really think people look for a reason to rip Khan because he’s very polarizing personality wise, but in terms of results you can really only debate a few moves he made. Flynn being the poster child for debatable moves.
And again, this Jason Quick guy doesn’t even directly quote Khan but what he says is “David Khan said he thinks Flynn can be an all-star one day”
How is that so vicious? Seriously? I think Roy Hibbert can be an all-star one day, that doesn’t mean he will
I don’t know what’s so offensive about this
I think...
….you can justify him on a move-by-move basis, but on a whole, it’s beyond-the-pale bad. I think when he’s let go (and that will probably be sooner rather than later), we’ll be looking at a team that blew through 7 first rounders and Al Jefferson in order to get the team right back to where it was in 2008. People do rip Kahn because of his awful bedside manner. They also rip him because he’s blowing through assets to build a 9-win team. They rip him because there are currently 10 teams that have more wins this year than the Wolves do since Kahn took over. They rip him because he has had 3 lottery picks in the last 2 years with virtually nothing to show for it.
Jonny Flynn was probably in the running for the worst starter in the NBA last year. This year he’s even worse. He clearly looks like a chicken with his head cut off out there and to say that he is going to be an All Star is either delusional or disingenuous. At the very least, he should know that saying something like that only adds fuel to the fire.
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As a whole?
As a whole Khan traded Al Jefferson to make room for Love…great move. Love is clearly the better player
Khan trade two second round picks for a guy who next year will score 25 ppg. Great move
Khan traded Brain Cardinal for Darko who has turned into a serviceable starting center, great move.
Khan sings Luke Ridnour and Anthony Tolliver to bolster the bench, currently this is an okay move because Ridnour is not a starting point guard, but once he can move to the bench these will have been great signings.
Khan drafts Rubio, great move. You gotta do it when you have the chance to get that talent.
Khan drafts Flynn, bad move. Really bad decision and worse when you see what Steph Curry has turned into
Khan drafts Wes Johnson, I think this is debatable. I haven’t particularly loved Wes but he’s playing out of position. It’s tough cause we didn’t know we’d get Beasley when we drafted him, if we did we may have done something else with that pick. I give Khan a push. At least we didn’t get the Big Headache.
Khan trades pick 18 for Martell Webster. I don’t believe I’ve heard Nevada guys name all season and Webster brings solid offense to the bench
Am I missing some terrible moves? Ryan Hollins, Ramon Sessions? What am I missing here? He may not have maximized Jeffersons trade vaule, but I’m also of the belief you’re not getting a whole lot for him anyways because he just hasn’t looked all that great even in Utah, that injury really did a number too him….and he doesn’t pass or play defense
Peckivic
I’ll also give you Peckivic…I really don’t think he’s very good
(Pekovic was a McHale draft.)
Kahn negotiated his deal, that’s true.
"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco
You're missing the forest for the trees
They have a 9 win team that has a core of Love/Beasley/Johnson/Flynn/Webster which is hardly distinguishable from Love/Jefferson/Miller/Foye/Gomes. 2 guys who matter surrounded by a bunch of filler.
9 wins. 15 last year.
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And they're not even competitive.
They’re losing these games by an average of 11.5 points per.
The Thunder 2 years ago
Won 15 games with Durant and Westbrook. 3rd pick in the draft. These things take time brother.
Beasley needs to grow into that no. 1 scorer and learn shot selection much like Durant had to a few years back. Beasley is new to this role in the pros and he is succeeding.
So...what you're saying is
2 years ago a completely different team with completely different players was crappy. I see. You win the internets.
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Come on...
that was a legit response. stop-and-pop said its a team with “2 guys that matter surrounded by a bunch of filler.” wolvesguy points out that the thunder are basically durant and westbrook and it took time to develop.
" I see. You win the internets." …and you criticize kahn for being “condescending and patronizing”? here’s another gem: “My god Cut the "everybody must be smarter" crap.”
yea, you certainly don’t put off that vibe.
now go lay down by your dish.
by Wu on Jan 9, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
^ Definition of homer ^
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jan 11, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
If Paul Silas
had said in 2001 that Jamaal Magloire would one day be an All-Star, it probably would’ve sounded just as ridiculous…but Magloire was an All-Star. Like KG once said, anything is possible.
Everything in the computer need my face on it. Mega Gigabytes, son!
May I remind everyone
while dabbling in the D-League Kahn was asked what his best accomplishment was with the Pacers: Answer – drafting Jamal Tinsley
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Bizball: During your time as GM of the Pacers, who was the best player you felt you acquired, either through trades, or the draft?
…
Kahn: I was most proud of draft-night deals I engineered for Jeff Foster and Jamaal Tinsley, two players who remain with the team today, not because they were our best players but because of the pressure surrounding both deals.
"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco
Foster and Tinsley
You can rip Khan all you want for saying this but Foster and Tinsley where servicable players for many years until Tinsley went crazy and Foster just expired as a player. These are picks in the 20’s and Khan drafted two gusy that started on playoff teams
I didn't actually rip him for saying it, however.
Having posted the same thing twice yesterday because it was coming up, I can point to the other instance and what I appended there:
It was at least an interesting response to the question.
I have no problems with what Kahn said there. He was talking to an interviewer with “The Business of Basketball,” and his response gave us a little look into how he thought about past decisions. It may have revealed some stuff about his personnel evaluation skills (or lack of same), but it was an honest and interesting answer to the question.
David Kahn’s “bedside manner” doesn’t rub me the wrong way very much at all, actually.
"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco
It only shows that Kahn values the deal
It was a situation where the BB faction of the operation wanted to get two guys and it was up to Kahn (and whoever else contributed) to get the thing done in a short time frame. That’s what Kahn values. I don’t think he even wants to be in charge of talent evaluation. I assume he just wants opportunities to show that he’s smart enough to get the deal done. Always Be Closing!
by dropstep on Jan 9, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yes
because guys like morey really take stock in hype men. good lord.
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See above
There’s quite a difference between supportive non-answer answers and crazy talk.
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BTW
I thought it was “obvious” that it was an attempt to hype up the players .
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The tragic aspect to all this
The Wolves aren’t credible on deals at all. The damage goes far beyond Kahn’s disillusionment. Credibility is the coin of the realm or deal making.
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Well...
…if it’s anything like what goes on out in the open with this crew…watch out.
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Credibility
is earned on both the publicly-known and the private side (in terms of transactions).
Based upon what the public knows about Kahn’s public relations, where he likens Darko with Chris Webb and Vlade Divac in a highly publicized interview, where he subsequently calls Webb out on a local radio program, where he (without as of yet justification) projects journeyman Darko and struggling second-year man Flynn as future all stars to Kings beat reporter Jason Quick, his public side is completely incredible.
Such unprovoked comments by Kahn makes him a laughingstock to knowledgeable NBA fans. The damage is when transactions are made by GMs at other franchises, Kahn’s very public persona automatically sets the expectations for a discount to the other club.
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Khan looked pretty good making a deal with Miami
That’s about as credible and savvy a basketball move that ANY Gm has made in the past season
He was quite patient on that transaction, too.
As a board, do we remember the period when the deal was known to have been made but the contingencies on the picks involved were unclear? It seems pretty clear that Kahn waited the HEAT out and got more favorable terms on that.
"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco
Let's be honest
no one knows the inside discussions that lead to Beasley coming to the Wolves, certainly neither you or I.
It could have just as easily been Riles looking to unload Beasley and looking for a team that could pose the least damage to his team. What better choice was there than off-loading Beasley to a team in the other conference with the worst win-loss record?
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You are correct, however...
What I have heard is that any team could have had beasley, how about the Cavs or Raptors? James and Bosh where essentially traded to the Heat…I be they are wishing that Big Mike was on their squad now. The Warriors had a shot at him too…any team could have had him and Khan made a second to none basketball move that has given this team a legitimate scorer and a guy that could develop into a legitimate all-star
This is another "we can't know everything so we know nothing" argument.
Saying we can’t know the specifics doesn’t mean we can’t say that trade, which dragged out for a couple of weeks or something like that before being confirmed, was made on very favorable terms by Kahn.
He waited out that situation. He didn’t, for example, overpay in terms of the picks he gave up, with the idea that there were other potential suitors and he had to move fast.
"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco
No one gives the man his due though
I think Khan is a weak drafter yes, but even at that I would only say he’s blown one legitimate pick being Flynn.
He hasn’t yet locked up a player to a massive long-term deal that will handcuff the team, and has done a good job trading a way players with those kinda deals. So he can handle the salary cap.
And I firmly believe he is an excellent dealer. Look at the deals he made: He turned Randy Foye and Mike Miller into Ricky Rubio, two 2nd round picks into Beasley, Luke Babbit into Martell Webster, Brian Cardinal into Darko those are excellent trades
The man needs his due for a couple reasons.
1.) He hasn’t drafted particularly well, but outside of Curry I really don’t think any of the players he’s passed on have been that outstanding-The Cousins argument will always be debatable, but I think if you can pass on a chemistry head case you do it in a second. But he hasn’t handicapped the team. This team might only win 20 games this year but we are going to be capped strapped to a bunch of average players (Sacremento) and we’ll have another top 5 pick, and look at the Hawks, you can draft Sheldon Willaims and North Carlonia guy in back-to-back drafts and you still have a chance to draft Al Horford
2.) The guy can deal. If he can turn Flynn into something I think he will enter the top 10 for GM traders, because Khan seemingly always comes out on top of his deals.
3.) This team has talent and that is essentially his first duty as GM
Quick,
prove to us that you are not David Kahn.
Kevin Love is not the problem.
by PoorDick on Jan 9, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
or to be less brief
1)he’s drafted very badly, which is kind of important considering how high our picks have been and how many first round picks the previous front office got for him.
2)he has actually done pretty well in trades. Everything else not so much. Well other than trading away the best of the other 3 point guards he drafted after Rubio. And not trading Flynn when he supposedly still had some value. And the OKC Etan Thomas trade.
3)lol. or rather, LOL
There is one bona fide player on the team – a player he inherited, dismissed, and finally wanted to trade for not much of anything. Beasley gives us two talented players. Yay?
by rickyp on Jan 9, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Statements like this: "Kahn seeminly always comes out on top of his deals"
aren’t usually uttered about teams fighting for last place in the league.
I’m not trolling, just agreeing with S&P about the morbid rationalization.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jan 11, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
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