With no real breakthroughs in talks today, NBA will have to cancel rest of Oct. preseason games and, finally, start of regular season. Progress was minimal today, and sides will reconvene on Monday in New York.
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Hmm...
I think this contradicts Chris_Broussard’s tweet:
Stern said he won’t make announcement postponing start of reg season on Monday.
Clearly Woj is making all of this up
because he doesn’t want the season to be played, since if it is played David Kahn’s brilliance will be revealed to the world. It sounds like the pouty ramblings of a teen-age girl.
Come ON, Sheeple! IT’S OBVIOUS!!!???!!!
TimAllen says I was "right all along," but I'm STILL waiting for an explanation of "the big picture."
by PoorDick on Oct 1, 2011 7:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Spread the truth, brother!
He’s a journalist with an ax to grind, just like the rest of ’em. Except the ones on Fox, of course.
im still siding with the owners
the revenue sharing would need to be closer to even, but that’s pretty much it.
i mean seriously....
doesn’t it seem reasonably obvious that the compromise ends up 50-50? last year 57, owners’ proposal 43……..
mayn deze bitches iz fuckin lazy!!
whut fe duck ayn it been like 90 sum days since de lockout an dey only met like 3 times whut iz dis mickey mouse bullshit mayn dey need sum kill an get dey mind right i do more in a day den deze bitches i mean DE WEEKEND AINT EEN OVER
MAYN HOL UP!
by MAYNHOLUP on Oct 1, 2011 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Woj is a negative nancy..can't stand him.
Get something done. I heard there was a possible agreement on the whole revenue deal.
I think what's happening is that
The owners have now come off a true hard cap, but the players are still balking at some of their systemic demands, including the severity of the luxury tax proposal, because they see that as a de facto hard cap.
I still think they can get a deal done.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Oct 1, 2011 10:31 PM CDT reply actions
Both sides are playing the media hard
But as things stand, it’s more likely we’re going to be missing games than not. The owners can’t even agree with each other right now. Agreeing with the players is still miles away
Do season ticket holders get refunded on the first game day
If this crap continues? Or is their money being used to continue the lockout? I would be mighty agitated if my cash was being used to prevent me from enjoying the thing I had expended it for! I could picture marching down to 600 1st Ave. North and demanding a refund!
Timberwolves 2011:
Kahnceptual Performance Art
I was offered two options
1) Take money from the canceled games and put it towards next season with interest (that can be used for food, merchandise, etc.)
2) Get a refund from the lost games
I chose Option 1.
Follow me on Twitter @timallenonline
what interest rate are they giving you?
by how much will they increase food prices?
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
If the Owners can't allow 51pct to the players with something like a simple 2 stage luxury
tax they shouldn’t be in the business. Before the present CBA they made it on a lower percentage than 49pct. they can do it again. With the new TV contracts coming up and greater revenue sharing the increasing value of their Franchises should be enough for them to compromise much more. Sure the players are well played but they risk injury and they are who we pay to see. What is obvious here, as in the whole country, is the greed greed greed of the very wealthy.
Hey Wade deserves his 50 million a year..so he says.
The stars need to get paid..they don’t care about the fringe or middle tier players..or the regular workers..or you the fan.
Good point
Seems like better politics on the players’ part, if they care about that, would be to have players from all tiers there. It doesn’t help either that James and Anthony are there, the chairman and vice-chairman of what’s wrong with the NBA.
Devil's advocate here.
They might be what’s wrong with the NBA in a lot of ways, but perhaps not from a business prospective. The collusion of the Big 3 and the Knicks getting a second superstar* probably won’t hurt league wide revenue.
*definition subject to individual bias.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
It would be even better
if a few ticket-buying fans were allowed in to the meeting, along with, say, the receptionist for a team, who has been laid off for a dozen weeks, and a bartender for a pub near an arena who expects business to drop off a cliff year-over-year if the regular season games are canceled.
TimAllen says I was "right all along," but I'm STILL waiting for an explanation of "the big picture."
Looking for a hard cap on beer prices?
You gonna agree to let them go over for premium brands? Demand they bring in Hooters girls to work the concession stands?
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Oct 3, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
How about
they threaten to boycott:
a. going to and watching games
b. buying merchandise
c. any company that advertises during the broadcasts or in the arena
TimAllen says I was "right all along," but I'm STILL waiting for an explanation of "the big picture."
Well...probably not $50 million
but he does “deserve” more than he’s getting.
Superstars are the last thing that’s wrong with the NBA from an economic perspective. They drive revenue (and this is at least partly a conscious decision by the league to market individuals) and get less than they would on the open market. Superstars and how they are compensated are great for the owners.
The middle tier players are the ones who are overpaid, if anyone is. I do agree that having them at the meeting is a bit of a double edged sword. It’s easier for those guys to advocate a harder line; they can afford missing games or even a season.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Oct 3, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
As you allude to
with your scare quotes, one of the major problems is that the star players “deserve” anything beyond a living wage. One of the problems with everything in America at the moment, I’d say.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
FFfffffffuuuuuuu . . . .
Reply fail. That was in response to EiM, obviously.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Oct 4, 2011 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Not quite clear on the point you are making
However, to the extent that basketball generates revenue, Dwayne Wade “deserves” it more than Mickey Arison (owner of the Heat).
In the meantime, owners are being completely unreasonable. They clearly want to break the union, and they may get there, but not after significant court battle. They moved from the 46% they were offering months ago to…47% today. Talks over for now; players can’t continue to negotiate under these conditions. They have moved from 57 to 53, the owners want everything.
What’s true is that if the owners got the players down to 52%, which I think they would accept, that would transfer $1.5 billion (or so, depending on total revenues) over a 6 year agreement (assuming average revenues of $5 million a year, which I think is reasonable) from players to owners. Roughly $250 million a year on average. How is that not enough?
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Oct 4, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Now Stern insisting that while they made a
“formal offer” at 47%, they “floated” a 50/50 split, whatever that means. My guess is that they said they would go there if the players accepted everything else the owners want.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Oct 4, 2011 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think
that the concept of “enough” is even in play in this scenario. I love unions and what they do for workers who need protection, but the NBA “workers” aren’t in need of protection. Neither side is reasonable in this instance. Each side just wants a bigger shitload of money than the current shitload they have.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Oct 4, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, certainly I don't sympathize with the plight of the workers in the NBA the same way I do with others
I mean, yeah. They aren’t starving. Still, I disagree with your position that “neither side is reasonable” in this situation. Look, if I ran the world, things would be a lot different on the distribution of wealth front.
But given what the macro conditions are, they have money to divide. It shouldn’t be on the players to take less just so the owners can have more. They players are offering massive pay reductions. At some point, one side is being a hell of a lot less reasonable than the other.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Oct 4, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't disagree with you.
I guess my frustration comes from the idea that my entertainment is being held up because people who have more than they’re worth are arguing about the degrees to which they will continue to acquire wealth.
Whether one side is more reasonable than the other seems to me like which J.R.R. Tolkein novel is most securely based in reality.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Oct 4, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
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