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Okay, this amnesty detail I hadn't seen spelled out before:
One player can be waived prior to the start of any season (only one player can be amnestied during the agreement, and contracts signed under the new CBA are not eligible).

This reads as if it would still be possible to trade for, oh, Gilbert Arenas, and then to amnesty him before the start of a given season. Right?

I think that changes the amnesty calculus for a team like Minnesota that doesn’t have an especially juicy big contract to zap right at the moment.

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by feral on Nov 28, 2011 3:42 PM CST reply actions  

It seems like you're right about that.

The tricky thing there would be talking Taylor into paying Arenas’ contract without Arenas actually playing for the team. There would have to be some kind of big incentive to do that and a 1st from Orlando is probably not going to cut it.

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by TimAllen on Nov 28, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I wonder what the sweet spot would be in terms of the remaining contract load.

We have plenty of precedent for this in outline, though. Eddy Curry’s remaining contract came out of Glen’s pocket, for the reward of Anthony Randolph, just last year. It’s the same sort of salary transaction, with more leeway about when the deal “expires” in terms of the cap implications.

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by feral on Nov 28, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Given the stretch provision in the CBA, will teams be less likely to give up young

talent in deals like that? If the Knicks could’ve stretched Curry’s cut salary over 3 years, would they have been as willing to give up AR in a deal to get rid of him?

Perhaps the answer is yes, but I wonder if that will play a part.

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by TimAllen on Nov 28, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Hrm.

General point taken. With the Knicks last year, it was more about clearing the salary immediately, for the ‘Melo deal. So they’d have had to get him entirely off the books right away anyway.

I imagine any such deal would look a little like the Sixers clearing Rodney Carney to sign Elton brand, only writ larger all ’round. Any immediate amnesty has to happen in the offseason, before a season starts.

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by feral on Nov 28, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't be signed under current contract...

Only in 2011 and prior (not sure if that means 2010-2011 season, or 2011 calendar year).

Still have my Foye jersey. Hey- at least she TRIED! :--)

by LoveLovesLove on Nov 28, 2011 11:00 PM CST up reply actions  

teams that exercise the amnesty clause

still have to pay the player’s salary, though, right? it just doesn’t count towards cap space or for luxury tax purposes.

so, assuming i’m reading your post correctly, i’m not sure what the advantage would be of acquiring an overpaid player just to pay him not to play.

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by losDelFuego on Nov 28, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

The pro is, you're using your cap space to soak up someone else's bad contract, and you take assets in order to do that.

Say X team has already used its amnesty on someone, and they’ve still got a lunker of a contract on hand. You can offer them your amnesty-ing services in exchange for whatever young talent you want alongside the player: picks, a young player, that kind of thing. They might chip in some share of the money to be paid in future, too.

In a league where the Suns deal away Kurt Thomas and give up multiple firsts for the privilege, and where luxury tax penalties are now even stiffer than the ones that motivated Phoenix to do that? It can happen.

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by feral on Nov 28, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Si

The Wolves’ most valuable asset is “renting” that thing out in a year or so (or maybe this year in exchange for a draft pick).

by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 28, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

how much space do the Wolves have to rent?

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by littleboxes on Nov 28, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

It depends on who they trade

The Clippers could be an interesting trade partner here. From my reading of the new CBA details, young players drafted after KD are going to have the opportunity to make a ton of money. Blake Griffin is going to get PAID. They also have DeAndre Jordan, Gordon and Aminu. The Wolves should tell the Clips that they have a choice: either Glen will give amnesty to Darko and then throw all remaining cap space at DeAndre Jordan or they trade the Wolves pick and Chris Kaman to the Wolves for…well, I don’t know how the CBA really works yet, but from my initial reading they need to find a team with 2 good young players that can be signed to higher deals and then approach them about trading for an expensive older player that can be bought out + a pick.

by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 28, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Realistically

what chance do you give Kahn of completing such a gambit
relative to other GMs in the league

by WinTheLottery on Nov 28, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

better than most GMs

he seems to get the value of these sorts of assets. The problem will be getting Glen to cut the check.

by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 28, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

"...better than most GMs..."

I agree 110%.

Kahn looks at the rules, figures the angles, and tries his utmost to work a deal to help the team. He’s a master at nickel & dime deals that help the salary cap. He may piss off the rest of the front offices in the league, but that does not bother me in the least.

by timmuggs on Nov 29, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

He just doesn't seem to be able to...

….recognize NBA talent other than widely accepted public BPAs. Terrible at the draft, not good with identifying free agent talent, good at doing lawyerly transactions.

by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 29, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Would prefer targeting Ben Gordon

over Gilbert Arenas. But it does make trading for an overpaid vet and rolling the dice more palatable.

Derrick Williams was going to Bust...but then he was selected by the Timberwolves!

by Ebomb on Nov 28, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Any season?

Does that mean there will be amnesty every year before the season? I thought it was just a one time thing?

by revprodeji on Nov 28, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Teams can save their amnesty for a future year

However only players signed during the previous CBA are eligible. For instance Miami could decide to Amnesty Bosh in 2012 and use that cap space on Dwight Howard.

by Jerwol on Nov 28, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

According to Howard Beck....

…the Wolves won’t be able to rent out their amnesty.

And many teams might simply hold onto their amnesty card for a future year. According to a draft of the rule, a team can use the provision in any off-season, subject to two restrictions: the player must have been signed before July 1, 2011, and must be on the team’s current roster.

In other words, a team cannot sign or trade for a player now and apply for amnesty later. The provision is meant for past mistakes, not future cap calamities.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 28, 2011 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

When it comes to salary cap knowledge...

….I trust Coon over Beck. I’m just saying that there might not be full understanding of how the amnesty will be interpreted.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 28, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

That "on the team's current roster" part was a sticking point before, too. Huh.

Guess we’re waiting out the final released agreement to know, as fans.

(And then the teams will all be reacting to however that looks by making a thousand moves inside of the first week, all while training camp starts up. I have trouble not cackling like an evil genius when I think of this….)

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by feral on Nov 29, 2011 8:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I just wanted to say something...

….before yall goin’ off makin plans for Uncle Davie & the crew. Yanno, cuz, yeah. Cackle like an evil genius? That’s David Stern.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 29, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions  

That first week of moves should be insane. Nuts.

Come December 9th, the Celtics had better sign a roster around their “big 4.” ‘Cause training camp starts, and they’ve got maybe four healthy bodies to practice with.

Bwa ha ha.

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by feral on Nov 29, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Hahaha.

Yeah. That would be pretty interesting. It’s gonna be a nutty ass week that week. Too bad it’s also Finals week so I’ll be behind all week. Oh well.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 29, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I would hope that the CBA in fine detail doesn't allow this

It would potentially allow you to shed many of your own bad contracts — Trade x number of players for Arenas to get close enough to salary match. Then waive Arenas?

Doesn’t make a lot of sense for Wolves — You would have to overpay Arenas and then pay more players with the freed up cap space. That’s a lot of money and you still would have to be able to attract a quality FA even to make it work.

I hope it’s simpler in the actual CBA — you can waive one of your current players under contract.

by ChicagoViking on Nov 29, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

A significant change that apparently survived the last draft...

is this

Teams that are repeat offenders (paying tax at least four out of the past five seasons) have a tax that is higher still — $1 more at each increment ($2.50, $2.75, $3.50, $4.25, etc.).

by Andy G on Nov 28, 2011 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

It will be interesting to see how much of a deterrent the new taxes are

I still expect the Lakers, Mavs, and Knicks to be willing to pay.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Nov 28, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I imagine you're right, but...

when you look at Larry Coon’s math on the Lakers current tax bill ($19.9M this year v. $44.68M once the new system is instituted v. $64.85M if/when they’re over 4/5 years)—it might give them pause. Particularly if the team is under-performing.

In any case, in looking at the terms, I am glad that the league’s professed interest in “competitive balance” wasn’t all lip-service.

by PDGirl on Nov 28, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

It was mostly lip service

It ultimately devolved to money and control

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Nov 28, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

well in that example

25 to 45 million isn’t going to break a team with a 20 year 3 billion dollar contract (150/year) before accounting for actually making money at the gate.

It’s not a king’s ransom, but that’s not cheap either. I expect the Lakers to pay up right now, but it’ll be interesting when Kobe retires. Worst case scenario, the Lakers continue to do what they’re doing now and everyone else gets 1.5 million extra for their coffers.

by TwinATL on Nov 28, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess it remains to be seen

whether any of the changes will assist in increasing competitive balance. I am not trying to defend the owners here. I think it was always basically about money and control (aren’t all labor disputes—from the management perspective, at least? ;)

I don’t know…I think the new salary cap structure (combined with raising the minimum payroll) might help.

I know there are concerns/thoughts that it’s just going to be a small number of superteams and the rest perennial “have nots,” but I don’t see how the new CBA exacerbates that (maybe, for example, the new little MLE, which would’ve permitted the Heat to sign someone for like $2.5M?)—it was a possible problem anyway.

by PDGirl on Nov 28, 2011 5:55 PM CST reply actions  

My basic take is that this is no different than previous CBAs,

in that the various mechanisms professing to improve competitive balance
a) are mostly really about controlling salary for the sake of profit and owner control of the market, and only secondarily about competition per se; and
b) are elaborate, and likely to introduce significant unintended consequences – especially with moneyed teams putting pressure on the system.

Nothin’ new under the sun, in either sense, and I’m so so ready to move on.

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by feral on Nov 28, 2011 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

What some call control, others call competitive balance.

Once BRI was determined, it had nothing to do with profits. A fixed BRI sets the revenue share. That’s it.

The other things were not about Team 1 having less wins and Team 30 having more wins. They were about specific markets—the ones that generate the most revenue and/or have the most-attractive destinations for free agents—being more restricted in their ability to hoard talent that is drafted and/or developed by other markets. What some might refer to as restrictions on player movement others might refer to as restrictions on certain owners’ ability to pluck players from other teams.

For this attempt at competitive balance, there’s an action against players’ rights and and equal and opposite reaction against owners’ rights.

Once BRI was set, it was entirely about competitive balance. It remains to be seen whether any of it works, or if the Lakers will continue to play in 50 percent of the Finals for eternity.

by Andy G on Nov 28, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

That makes sense to me

I personally prefer to think of it as “competitive balance,” partially because (as a Wolves fan and fan of the underdog in general), that seems like an admirable goal, and partially because I don’t have a tremendous amount of sympathy for the restraint on players’ choices (they can still flock to the most “desirable” teams—there just may be a greater financial incentive to go elsewhere). “Control” for it’s own sake seems to impute some nefarious motive to the owners that I don’t (necessarily) think is appropriate.

Trying to look on the bright side and happy to be free of this nonsense.

by PDGirl on Nov 28, 2011 8:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

What interests me

is the acquiring of amnesty players. It sounds like teams can bid up to the amount that they are under the cap on an amnesty player. So if as expected Roy becomes an amnesty causality, the Wolves could get him for say $5M. What I’m still unclear on, is if that’s $5M per each remaining year on his contact, or just a one time cost. Either way that sounds like a tremendous gamble.

by Jerwol on Nov 28, 2011 7:06 PM CST reply actions  

no it doesn't

Brandon Roy’s knees are obliterated.

I haven’t seen the MRIs, but the general consensus is that he doesn’t have any cartilage left in either knee. I don’t see how that will hold up for more than a season or two,

I know it would be poetic if Roy came to Minnesota and returned to the form that made us curse the name of Randy Foye, but there’s a reason that the Blazers are cutting bait.

by TwinATL on Nov 28, 2011 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

i'd take

a look at the medical chart, but i don’t see the wisdom in committing guaranteed money to Roy after last season.

by TwinATL on Nov 28, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Could we trade for Randy Foye?

And then put Randy Foye’s cartilage in Brandon Roy’s knees?

by Loser.Loser.Loser.Winner. on Nov 29, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice.

Foye would go down in history as the first player acquired for parts.

If we act quickly, maybe we can get a PAFP clause in the CBA.

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by Cynical Jason on Nov 29, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

What the hey are Bird Rights???

Used in almost every post, but never a reference or surrounding language that explains what they actually are.

Sorry- I’m lazy (tired) right now- I know I could wiki it, but thinking a better explanation will appear here with some context on how it might apply to our team, etc.

Thanks in advance!

Still have my Foye jersey. Hey- at least she TRIED! :--)

by LoveLovesLove on Nov 28, 2011 11:02 PM CST reply actions  

PS- I know my BB Rube-Cred just took a dive... :0)

But worth posting for others I hope.

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by LoveLovesLove on Nov 28, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

That escalating cap floor is going to be an issue eventually...

That will be the cause of quite a few bloated contracts to players who are not worth it. 85% of the cap is a pretty tight margin, and the amount of talent in the NBA isn’t growing exponentially. The same number of players are going to be employed. I can only imagine that to hit the floor, teams will find themselves spending more on role players just to hit that number from season to season, especially as the floor hits 90%. The lip-service here is parity, but that probably won’t be the reality.

by Krotz the Wall on Nov 29, 2011 9:50 AM CST reply actions  

The short version is, well, that they'll be short versions.

Or short contracts, anyway. To maintain flexibility, you fill our your roster with one-year deals for the utility men types, presumably.

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by feral on Nov 29, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

NFL's

Salary is 90% so that is doable. the key will be to sign role players to short contracts to maintain flexibility and to not sign aging vets to long contracts.

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by the Real Thor on Nov 29, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep, it could change the game

Or at least change the type of coaches that are considered geniuses.

If you can develop a system, have a few steady players and a couple of stars, then filling in the bits with cheap help with specific skills, and using those skills, becomes the road ahead.

Sorta like Jerry Sloan, or ummmm, who is that guy that coached at Houston until recently?

by timmuggs on Nov 29, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Gary Kubiak?

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by TimAllen on Nov 29, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL @ Kubiak

poor bastard couldn’t coach his way out of a paperbag. Now he gets a free ride to the playoffs to surely get obliterated in the first round.

by Rycraft on Nov 29, 2011 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I should have been more specific… his game plans. Last year I watched as the Texans were running up a storm on the Colts in the first half and then came out passing in the second and sure enough they lost. One of many occasions.

by Rycraft on Nov 29, 2011 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

The big difference, of course, being guaranteed contracts in the NBA

and not in the NFL.

The NHL has a more comparable situation. It wasn’t an issue at first, but as revenues started to go up, the need to find more and bigger contracts to meet the minimum started to put pressure on typical floor teams. They tend to look to take on a bad contract or make a bigger one than necessary just to hit a high floor. This past year saw the issue come to a head, on the backs of a new TV contract and another revenue growth. Lose a higher wage player to FA, and smaller market, lower wage teams, are looking to fill just to get to the floor. The result was a lot of 2 year deals worth about 30%, or more, over value… teams spending to the floor but fielding lineups that have more to do with spending parity rather than competitive parity.

As an odd detail, the TV contract came up the year before the CBA was up. The NBA TV contract will be up the year before the opt out. For the NHL, this resulted in a lot of bigger than expected contracts at the same time that the league started talking about getting spending back under control. CBA negotiations will start soon… with players asking why all the spending if revenues are flattening. I would not be surprised if the NBA isn’t in this same position in 2017… would be surprised if it isn’t, in fact.

by Krotz the Wall on Nov 29, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Si

It’s being pitched as something that will help the competitive balance of small market teams but that’s just insane. Imagine how fun it will be to watch a 30 win team filled with sub-15 PER players locked into deals that exist for no other reason than to have the roster hit 90% of the cap.

There simply aren’t that many great or good players in the world to fill up 90% of 60+ million dollars and expect that there will be more competitive balance. All this will do is ensure that the world will have more Brian Cardinals than ever before (which, away from the court, would probably be a good thing). I think that this is the clause that will speed up the starting date of the next lockout.

by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 29, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

The fact that the opt out date is the year after the new contract date, and the possible influx of new revenues, thus possible higher cap and floor, making the overall payout by owners higher… I would be surprised if we aren’t in nearly the exact same position, with just slightly different talking points, in a few years.

by Krotz the Wall on Nov 29, 2011 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Tim had it on his twitter feed...

….but Nene’s contract will become a Stern talking point in the next lockout much in the same way Eddy Curry’s was in this one.

I can’t tell you how upsetting this whole lockout nonsense has been for me as a fan. They’ve really done nothing to address the structural issues with the ownership model, the length of the season, the quality of play, etc. They’ll just reinflate another bubble and wait for the next TV deal.

by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 29, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Also..

…I don’t think that stupid deals like Curry and the inevitable Nene max deal are what caused the lockout or will cause the future one. I don’t think they’ve addressed a single issue that will prevent a lockout re-run in a few years or actually make the game/league better. They still play way too many games, there are too few players for that many rosters to support high-quality play, they can’t continue to expand, there aren’t any more new arenas to realistically build, etc. None of that was addressed and when the next lockout happens, we’ll all be told that it was because Nene made too much money (or fill in another BS Stern talking point).

by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 29, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree.

The only thing that will be different is some of the small details.

by Krotz the Wall on Nov 29, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree

With a stiffer cap, some players will be newly available for smaller market teams, or teams with less salary. It’ll take care of itself.

Plus, there is no requirement that I’m aware of the teams under the cap need to sign long-term contracts to hit 90 percent. Free agents netting long-term deals are (at least perceived to be) the better players. A team in a pinch to hit 90 percent could theoretically just raid the D-League for one-season deals.

Some of this increased competition for short-term deals might have a positive effect.

None of it will be a big difference from the old system.

by Andy G on Nov 29, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I players get paid a fixed percentage of BRI

doesn’t the minimum payroll requirement help the high-payroll teams? That is, if more teams are close to the cap, it reduces the share of total league payroll accounted for by the highest wage teams. This system makes my head hurt.

by Madison Dan on Nov 29, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking that, too.

One angle might be that this is a small compromise over the increased revenue sharing. We’ll chip in more money to you guys, but you can’t just keep it for savings, sort of thing?

by Andy G on Nov 29, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe.

I can’t even figure out whether my premise is correct, but it seems like it ought to be.

by Madison Dan on Nov 29, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, there will perhaps be more player movement,

and some of those higher level players will be getting a bit less money than they have. However, I think you are intentionally overlooking the reality of the non-elite players that make up a bulk of the rosters. While there might be a situation or two where a D-Leaguer might get a minimum contract and stuck on the end of a bench for a year, it will be far more likely that actual and somewhat valuable role players will be the beneficiaries of this inflation of the floor. Veteran role players aren’t going to sign a 1 year deal if they can get a 2 year deal, and a team might throw another million and a year at that serviceable backup big, because they need a player there and they have to spend the money… and don’t really have a lot of roster spots where they are going to want to waste it on a guy that is only money filler.

Escalating cap floors almost always lead to an increase in ‘bad’ contracts to players that aren’t considered elite, especially in any sport that has roster limits and guaranteed contracts.

by Krotz the Wall on Nov 29, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I completely get what you're saying

but I think it’ll just be a marketplace where teams are bidding on players, as always. There is no requirement that a team make a mistake, just plenty of opportunities.

by Andy G on Nov 29, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

It has never taken care of itself

Just think about what you just wrote about raiding D-League rosters to make 90% of the cap. Sundiata Gaines at $6 mil for a 1 year deal is going to be just as insane as it sounds. Teams that were flirting with the 75% mark generally don’t have any good players worth paying a lot of money to. If they do, they have a superstar rookie during the first 2-3 years of their rookie deal. If not, what 20-30 win team is going to drop 15% of 60mil on D-League talent? Which Maloof brother is going to pay which Reno Bighorn that much money? It’s not happening. That money is going to get locked up in more “sound” investments.

Here’s how it will happen (just how it has always happened): about 5-6 teams each year will plan to have lots of cap space available. These teams will bid for a fairly consistent percentage of non superstar free agents and, for no other reason than they have money available, guys like Nene and Marc Gasol (and, eventually, Kevin Love) will get max money while guys like Kris Humphries and (insert mediocrity of your choice here) will get stupid money just because they happened into free agency in the right year.

Also, how many teams have operated at 90+% of the cap since the 2005 CBA? It’s not like a ton of teams have been operating under 90% of the cap during the last CBA. This clause doesn’t really change a whole lot in practice. It just preserves a system that doesn’t really work all that well in terms of competitive balance. Stupid owners and stupid GMs will still do stupid things and the smart ones will not. All the while there simply aren’t that many excellent players, great owners, and awesome GMs to make the league balanced competitively with 30 franchises. Competitive balance is, was, and always will be a simple matter of supply and demand. I think the only thing this clause does is ensure that guys like David Kahn will fill out their roster with guys like Ryan Gomes…15% more guaranteed than before (i.e. 90% baseline instead of 75%…which hardly anyone operated at anyway). There is nothing in this new CBA that addresses the supply and demand of the type of talent distribution that will ensure competitive balance.

by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 29, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Competitive balance in NBA

Good/bad GM have more to do with competitiveness than payroll. You need to be that much better like the Twins used to be to compete but you can still compete.

A little sustained luck in the draft + a quality trade/FA signing or two = competition when you need 9-10 guys.

A bigger detriment to competitiveness seems to be location more than payroll. It’s hard to compete with NY/LA/Miami/Chicago and so on where other opportunities are more plentiful than MN or Milwaukee or Sac.

by ChicagoViking on Nov 29, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Luck + competency = good team. You can compete anywhere if you have a superstar and a GM who can tie his shoes. That’s the “secret” formula. Awesome rookies + superstars are the only real value in the entire league. Everything else is kind of marginal, one way or the other.

by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 29, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I tend to think of it...

…as the other contracts are in support of those stars. That’s why players get that money if for no other reason. It’s a monetary incentive to play your role more often than not. Although, as we see often, that doesn’t always work either.

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by pookeyguru on Nov 29, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with
This clause doesn’t really change a whole lot in practice.

I don’t think this changes a whole lot. The D-League thing is an extreme example, but if a young team wanted to preserve flexibility without overpaying on extended deals, it’d be an option. In practice, it’s probably more Luke Ridnour-type contracts.

by Andy G on Nov 29, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

The 10-11 cap was 58 mil. 90% of that cap is just over 52 mil. How many teams really operate below that level? I take back what I said about how this won’t affect anyone. It will make sure that terrible teams without awesome rookies will have to spend money on even more garbage players to fill out their roster. Congrats Wolves, Cavs, and Sacramento, you get to spend available cap space on guys like Kris Humphries!

by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 29, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

One of the best NBA stories...

ever:

An exceptionally well-connected league insider once told me the story of how Brian Cardinal got his mid-level. Seems Memphis owner Michael Heisley, frustrated by general manager Jerry West’s lack of activity, walked into West’s office one day and asked why he hadn’t signed anyone yet. So an exasperated West picked up his phone, called Cardinal’s agent and offered the mid-level on the spot. Then he turned to Heisley and said something along the lines of “There, you happy now?”

by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 29, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

West's book is an interesting read.

If you haven’t read it already, I suggest it for next lockout.

by Andy G on Nov 29, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Case in point: the new system for tweaking qualifying offers based on performance.

Counterpoint: Ricky Rubio, asked in his introductory press conference about whether he wanted to start, said simply that he wanted to finish games.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Nov 29, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

some times the spending floor can be a useful thing

it helped the Wild dump a useful, but overpaid for his role, player onto a team that not only could use such a player, but also needs to over spend on such a player. also, must such deals are short term. now the hockey cba needs to be amended to end the insanity that is 10+ year contracts with the last 4 being massively under contract avg. such contracts kill competitive balance and are clearly designed to circumnavigate the cap.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Nov 29, 2011 12:51 PM CST reply actions  

The Derrick Rose rule & Kevin Love

This can be interesting this year. My understanding is if Kevin Love repeats as an all-star, he will be entitled to make as much as 30% of our cap (forgive me if this is discussed elsewhere).

What’s interesting is that it would seem like Love would then be less motivated to sign prior to the season, so he would have a chance for this financial windfall.

Am I reading this correctly?

by Rodman99 on Nov 29, 2011 3:16 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Don't think so.


I don’t know how to make links work, but if you look at Sam Amick’s SI article on the terms, it indicates you have to be All-NBA first, second, or third team two times, voted an All-Star game starter twice, or be league MVP once.

So K-Love doesn’t qualify.

by PDGirl on Nov 29, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

What?!

No 31/31 clause? That’s preposterous ;)

by Stop-n-Pop on Nov 29, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I know, right?

Looks like that one and the “great white hope” clause didn’t make it through to the final draft ;)

by PDGirl on Nov 29, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh good, thanks

That makes a lot more sense. If you meet those criteria you really are a superstar.

by Rodman99 on Nov 29, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

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