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Could we get Afflalo?


The Nuggets are in the process of signing Rudy Fernandez and according to RealGM are interested in acquiring Corey Brewer as well (who knows why?). Could it be that they are lukewarm in their interest for Afflalo and aren't planning on matching a lucrative offer sheet for him? If the signing of Lee puts us over the cap, I wouldn't mind offering him the exception and trying to pry him away from Denver.

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i like the thought.

but i dont know if he will want to come here as not many people seem to. Then again we did get JJ so if it was to happen i would be overjoyed

my reds are well... red, my wolves are blue, i live in ohio, but i like the colts to

by demwolves on Dec 13, 2011 4:38 PM CST reply actions  

No

We cannot get Afflalo

Derrick Williams was going to Bust...but then he was selected by the Timberwolves!

by Ebomb on Dec 13, 2011 4:44 PM CST reply actions  

On twitter they all seemed charmed by Brewer.

Who I heard got married very recently.and may not be going to Denver. But I am hearing some strange things such as Kahn indicating JJ deal isn’t done yet, and that we are after Crawford (Zgoda).

by mr.sorbet on Dec 13, 2011 4:45 PM CST reply actions  

The Barea deal may not go through?

Is that for real?

We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.

by dan_the_man on Dec 13, 2011 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know about the JJ deal in particular

But more almost half of the trades and signings that ESPN has reported this last week turned out to be false. And not just the Clipper trade and the multiple Lakers trades, also free agent signings, and other trade. It’s been pretty piss poor actually.

by Bigtee212 on Dec 13, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow

I checked the timberwolves website yesterday night and they listed Barea on their roster. Today he is not. That would be absolutely crazy.

http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/roster/

by hipity on Dec 13, 2011 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

It would be worth celebrating, IMO

We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.

by dan_the_man on Dec 13, 2011 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Even with Rudy and Brewer

Denver is short on warm bodies for this season. I would think that trading for these two has nothing to do with their plans for Afflalo.
Feels like they are waiting for another team to sign him to an offer sheet to set his market value.

by jpeso on Dec 13, 2011 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

That's what I thought too

but…they seem to be talking about Rudy starting at the 2. They aren’t going to pay Afflalo to come off the bench. I doubt the Wolves could get him, but I certainly hope they inquire. The Nuggets still need players (arguably, that’s what the Wolves don’t have…).

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Dec 13, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he will get overpaid by somebody

I love how efficient he is on offense, but do people see him as a legitimate NBA starter? Because he def in going to get paid like one!

by B-easy on Dec 13, 2011 4:53 PM CST reply actions  

yes, he's a legitimate starter

I assumed he would get paid too, but nobody seems to be after him, particularly.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Dec 13, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

He is legitimate

The best thing about him isn’t even his efficient offense, but his shut down D and clutch plays down the stretch.

by andrew33 on Dec 13, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather have him than Kevin Martin

I’d still take Martin though (just cause I know Kevin Martin is sacred ground on CH I feel I have to give this appendage)

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Dec 13, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

As a general rule

Just expect any free agent to be overpaid, and overpaid + x% by the Wolves. Ever been to an auction? You may think you got a deal but you always paid more than anyone else was willing to. Wouldn’t it be fun to go to that auction with Glen’s money.

by pastyearsears on Dec 13, 2011 6:32 PM CST reply actions  

Wolves out of the running for Crawford

Lots of tweets to that effect tonight.

Would much rather have Afflalo obviously.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Dec 13, 2011 7:43 PM CST reply actions  

I don't remember seeing any figures for Affalo yet...

…would 3 years for the full mid-level be in the ball park (assuming signing JJ and Lee got us to the cap).

by Boss10 on Dec 13, 2011 10:05 PM CST reply actions  

Affalo would be a coup.

It may seem insensitive but I'm happy to hear of Rubio's passing.

by Tangerine dream on Dec 13, 2011 10:10 PM CST reply actions  

An unpopular opinion to follow:

Afflalo is darn good, but I can’t help but look at his early stats and wonder what will happen with Wes Johnson this year. Afllalo did not bloom his first year, granted in limited minutes, but I really wonder if Wes can’t have a similar progression in the next couple years.

Afflalo will likely be better than Wes from here on out. However, low usage efficient guards have looked good in the past under Karl and failed to duplicate it elsewhere.

Therefore, What I am saying is I would rather sit on Wes, see what happens(my hope is he gets a Ramon Session like 6 point per jump in the absense of Rambis), then make a 10 million offer (if it were actually possible) for a guy who has yet to prove it with high usage, and cripple any cap space moving forward. We all argued about whether Iggy is worth that same money when he is top 5 SG in the league probably and an even better defender than Afflalo.

The only advanced stat were Afflalo really killed Wes in the first year was in defensive rating. However, in Wes had the advantage in steals and blocks %. Therefore, while Afflalo was always a better defender and I bet always will be, I doubt the difference was as extreme as it appeared in the first year as it was effected by system (ie. the defense optional Rambis special) , as you can see in the second year when Afflalo’s jumps up to 110 (undoubtably b/c of a higher pace of play) if you go to basketball-reference, where I got the stats below. Sorry about the formatting.

Afflalo
Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB%
2007-08 22 DET NBA 75 970 10.2 .494 .432 4.4 12.5
AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
8.4 8.1 1.8 0.7 10.9 15.2 104 104 0.5 1.4 1.9 .092

Wes
Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB%
2010-11 23 MIN NBA 79 2069 10.2 .491 .473 2.7 10.4
TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
6.4 11.0 1.4 2.0 11.6 16.8 101 112 0.4 0.9 1.3 .030

by Tollysnipes on Dec 14, 2011 1:01 AM CST reply actions  

Darn it. I spent time on the spacing for no reason as it bunched.

You can just go to basketball reference and save yourself the headache if you feel like it.

by Tollysnipes on Dec 14, 2011 1:03 AM CST up reply actions  

This is a good point

is AA better than Wes? Yes. But is he worth twice what Wes is paid for a team that isn’t going to win a championship any time soon? No, and it’s not even close.

If they never play NBA basketball again, then I'll never watch it again.

by PoorDick on Dec 14, 2011 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Also, it is very possible Wes has a good season this year

a real point guard and a real coach can do wonders for a player with his skill set

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Dec 14, 2011 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the guy is probably

one of the more coachable players on the team.

If they never play NBA basketball again, then I'll never watch it again.

by PoorDick on Dec 14, 2011 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Wes will be better than Afflalo

A 14 PER does not impress me. Afflalo is the newest overrated underrated guy.

Trade for Martin. Keep Wes. Make him the 6th man. Dump Beasley for Martin. Winning ball team.

For the loser now
Will be later to win

by John Wall on Dec 14, 2011 2:44 AM CST reply actions  

Wes certainly has the ability to do what Afflalo did

AA is probably the better player currently, but I am a firm believer that Kurt Rambis was the most overmatched coach I’ve ever seen.

Every player on this roster has the right to have their game expanded upon by even mid-level coaching.

I like Wes’ game a lot, but if you could get an Afflalo I think you still do it

I like Afflalo more than Martin too. Martin’s a nice player but I think Afflalo has a little more well rounded game, especially in concern’s to our team’s current weaknesses.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Dec 14, 2011 7:41 AM CST up reply actions  

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