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They seem pretty thin at the forward position. I have to believe that there would be a way to even out both rosters. Mayo seems like he would fit Adelman's description of a ball handling guard and we have forwards to spare!!

Considering at one time the Grizzlies were considering Josh McRoberts for Mayo, perhaps they would be willing to take a shot at Randolph...and another piece?

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per the trade machine, we could try this. Perhaps we would have to include the Utah pick?

I’m not a huge fan of Mayo, but he might be humbled a bit by how he’s been treated and shopped by Memphis. His skills could really benefit, and be exploited by, the Wolves.

Rubio + DWilliams + Adelman = suck it Clippergeddon

by nodnarb on Dec 18, 2011 9:23 PM CST reply actions  

No to Mayo

Adelman wants defense.
Mayo plays none.
I don’t know if he even knows what defense is.
This is what I would like to see…
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7gqxrsw
Works for both sides

by mak07 on Dec 18, 2011 10:44 PM CST reply actions  

that's true about the defense

but, IIRC, he basically said the entire team sucked a big one on that end. He did, however, explicitly mention having people other than the point who are able to take care of the ball. That’s really why I mentioned it. I’m not a huge fan of Mayo…it just may be an opportune time to get someone for relatively cheap (scraps).

Rubio + DWilliams + Adelman = suck it Clippergeddon

by nodnarb on Dec 19, 2011 12:59 AM CST up reply actions  

what about a three-way trade?

If no to Mayo, what about trying to work out a sign-and-trade with Mayo or somebody going to Denver, Afflalo signing & going to Wolves, and Randolph/Wes Johnson going to Grizzlies? Or Randolph to Grizzlies, Johnson to Nuggets? I can’t put it in the Trade Machine because Afflalo isn’t available. Might take another small deal to Grizzlies to make it work.

by stelvis10 on Dec 18, 2011 11:00 PM CST reply actions  

Come on--

think BIG here . . .

As promised, since they resumed playing NBA basketball, I have resumed watching NBA basketball.

by PoorDick on Dec 18, 2011 11:25 PM CST reply actions  

WoW.

That can never happen…without David Lee.

Rubio + DWilliams + Adelman = suck it Clippergeddon

by nodnarb on Dec 19, 2011 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Is Kris Humphries signed yet...

He might be the answer here, if he accepts a 1-2 yr offer.

by Pass the rock on Dec 19, 2011 12:13 AM CST reply actions  

?

I don’t understand how Kris Humphries helps our guard situation…or was that sarcasm that I’m hopelessly missing?

Rubio + DWilliams + Adelman = suck it Clippergeddon

by nodnarb on Dec 19, 2011 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he means for Memphis.

But as far as trading Randolph i’m all for that. The dude is a bum.

by MychalShannon1 on Dec 19, 2011 1:02 AM CST up reply actions  

oooOOOOoooo...Memphis...

totally my bad.

Rubio + DWilliams + Adelman = suck it Clippergeddon

by nodnarb on Dec 19, 2011 1:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Well lets hope he meant for Memphis.

by MychalShannon1 on Dec 19, 2011 1:22 AM CST up reply actions  

He might be...

If the question is “How many power forwards can a roster logically carry?”

The good news is hopeful doesn't mean dumb. The bad news is cynical doesn't mean smart. -- Sarah Silverman

by pagingstanleyroberts on Dec 19, 2011 9:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I need to continue reading before posting

Sorry.

The good news is hopeful doesn't mean dumb. The bad news is cynical doesn't mean smart. -- Sarah Silverman

by pagingstanleyroberts on Dec 19, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

i meant for Memphis....

But I would love to trade AR for Mayo…I would not trade Wes for Mayo. For some reason, I have some hope that Wes will turn into a solid rotation player providing great defense, transition buckets and a little under 2 threes a game. Call me crazy.

by Pass the rock on Dec 19, 2011 1:38 AM CST reply actions  

I'm only mildly interested in Mayo

but Memphis wouldn’t do it for Randolph. He really doesn’t help them; they aren’t in the development game anymore. The guy they could use as a replacement for Arthur is Tolliver.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Dec 19, 2011 7:59 AM CST reply actions  

Would you do that?

I might, but I don’t think Adelman would.

As promised, since they resumed playing NBA basketball, I have resumed watching NBA basketball.

by PoorDick on Dec 19, 2011 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Tolliver+ for Mayo?

I don’t know. You have to think it’s a talent upgrade, and talent is a good thing. Also, Mayo is, you know, a shooting guard, which is nice. I’ve never been a big Mayo guy, mostly because he doesn’t get to the line and isn’t a great 3 point shooter, which means by definition he isn’t all that efficient, and he does very little else. However, there is some talent there; he does have scoring ability and handles pretty well.

But…AT brings something to the table. Also, and more tangibly, it adds another player who is due an extension next season. That puts some pressure on the financial side of things. You usually don’t want to have everyone come due at the same time.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Dec 19, 2011 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd bet a HAM sandwich

We don’t trade AT at all,, surely not for mayo.
He’s a great vet & mature presence..

by zero_on_up on Dec 19, 2011 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't move Tolliver for Mayo

But I do think Mayo will be dealt somewhere for a PF. And Memphis just signed Jeremy Pargo, who they believe can handle the combo scoring guard role just as well as Mayo.

BTW, Pargo just had 15 points, 7 assists and 2 rebounds last night.

Tolliver, though, is one of the few steady and competent players we have right now. At my count, we only have six steady and competent players. Mayo seems like one of the maddening types. I’d take him, but only in exchange for one of our inconsistent, talented types (like Randolph). Let some other team finally tap into AR’s potential… I want to start winning a couple games.

by foobee on Dec 19, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Hollinger's take on Tolliver - I want to keep this guy.

+ Smart, spot-up shooting big man who hustles defensively and takes charges.

+ Average athlete with wiry build. Subpar rebounder. Limited low-post game.

+ Won’t shoot unless wide open, but good passer. Low-mistake player.

A smart, high-percentage player who doesn’t force the action, hustles on defense and never makes mistakes? Wait, what’s this guy doing on the Timberwolves?

Tolliver has carved out a niche for himself in that role despite playing for two organizations — Golden State and now Minnesota — that were antithetical to intelligent basketball. Last season he averaged only 12.7 points and 8.7 boards per 40 minutes, yet was a useful player because of his high-efficiency approach. Tolliver was the rare player who both takes lots of 3s and draws lots of fouls; he was 11th among power forwards in 3-point frequency and 10th in free throw rate. He hit 40.9 percent from beyond the arc and finished fourth among power forwards in secondary percentage.

As an added plus, Tolliver has become a fairly adept high-post passer. He was eighth among power forwards in assist ratio and ninth in pure point rating.

Defensively, Tolliver is undersized but offsets that with his mobility as a pick-and-roll defender and his willingness to take charges. Although his direct opponent stats weren’t good, the Wolves gave up 4.57 points per 100 possessions fewer with him on the court — Tolliver’s value isn’t in one-on-one defense, in other words, but team D. Much of which is wasted with this outfit, but Minnesota’s logjam at the 4 may result in his being liberated to a franchise that has more use for his crafty play.

by foobee on Dec 19, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey Eric,

I have spousal approval to go out to watch the game on the 27th. I don’t know all of the sports bars around town, so I’m open to suggestions, but I was thinking that the Stadium Bar would work. Do you have any other ideas?

by Madison Dan on Dec 19, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I think

Visions has a TV set.

As promised, since they resumed playing NBA basketball, I have resumed watching NBA basketball.

by PoorDick on Dec 19, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I totally recommend The Great Dane, you fellow Madison folk...

It’s not a traditional sports bar, but the game will be on and it’s got great food, micro-brews and more of a classy atmosphere. Otherwise, the new BW3 on University is a fine option on campus.

by foobee on Dec 19, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

That'd work, though it might be a little tougher to get close to a TV.

They’re all over the place at Stadium Bar. Better beer at the Dane for sure, though.

by Madison Dan on Dec 19, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

When I'm feeling really kinky

I’ll have them turn it to C-SPAN.

As promised, since they resumed playing NBA basketball, I have resumed watching NBA basketball.

by PoorDick on Dec 19, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Great. Stadium bar right across from Camp Randall, right?

I’ll confirm with you before hand.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Dec 19, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

You're too kind.

But I’ll be at Visions.

As promised, since they resumed playing NBA basketball, I have resumed watching NBA basketball.

by PoorDick on Dec 19, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I like the Dane for beer, not so much for game watching

would rather do the Stadium, I think.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Dec 19, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I just noticed that the Badgers are playing at Nebraska

that same night. It starts 30 minutes later. I don’t know whether that changes the location preference. I kind of doubt that Stadium Bar would be mobbed with students for a basketball road game, but I’ve never tried it. Does that still sound like the choice, or should we move it away from campus?

by Madison Dan on Dec 19, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Hmm, let me think on that

I don’t know that campus will be very crowded since it’s winter break, but maybe going to one of the places further west makes sense.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Dec 19, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think Stadium Bar will be that crazy over Winter Break.

But I’m cool with BW3 at the East Towne Mall if you want to get away from campus.

by foobee on Dec 19, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't think about break.

Given that, I’m more inclined to stick with the Stadium Bar.

by Madison Dan on Dec 19, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

good

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Dec 19, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanksnfor the invite

Checked with my wife and she’s given me the green light. I’ll be to Stadium Bar at about 7:15ish on the 27th. First round is on me!

by foobee on Dec 19, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

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