Hayes 50:50 between Kings & Wolves
by YoLeo on Dec 8, 2011 2:38 PM CST
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It was widely published around the media yesterday that he was expected to sign with the Kings, but rumors of this are popping up all over the place about Wolves being in the running. Would reuniting Adelman with a surprisingly productive Hayes be worth the money? Or would starting the league's most undersized front court be a bad idea? Thoughts??
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Hayes is the Yoda of the NBA
Size matters not
That said, I’m not sure this would be the best use of $5 mil/year when we already have an overcrowded frontcourt. Maybe if we were to move a couple guys out first….
by Oceanary on Dec 8, 2011 2:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts as well
He obviously would bring a much needed defensive presence to our team, but I don’t think $5 mil is the answer when we haven’t even sorted out our already packed front court.
Hayes – 6’6" 238
Love – 6’10" < 260
Beasley – 6’10" 235
Williams – 6’8" 241
Tolliver – 6’8" 249
Randolph – 6’11" 225
Pekovic – 6’11" 290
Darko – 7’0" 275
So I guess our ivory towers win at something!
He's much better than most of the guys on that list
If we can sign Hayes, (a great move imo) time to cut Darko loose and let Adelman sort out the rest.
$5m/year and suddenly a defensively minded tank playing the 5. Yes, please.
Why do we want this guy so bad again?
To begin with, Darko, Pek, Randolph, Love, Beasley and Williams can all play PF or C, and they are also beling paid enough to expect that they play big roles.
Secondly, his numbers are solid, but unspectacular. 10 points and 10 boards per 36 minutes is not very impressive. Randolph averaged 21 and 9 per 36. Pek averaged 15 and 8 per 36, roughly. Give Randolph a chance to play a bigger role!
Now, he has a reputation for being a defensive stalwart, but is that justified? He’s only 6-6. A big center like Marc Gasol, Bynum, or Howard is not going to be intimidated.
I guess, If they want to anmnesty Darko or Pek, but the last thing we need is another unspectacular player using up cap space.
"Only God is an expert, Ernie."
by MNPhatz on Dec 8, 2011 3:01 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Because a lot of those players are demonstrably really, really bad
and Chuck Hayes most certainly is not.
by Ailuridae on Dec 8, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would
pass. As mentioned, we already have a crowded frontcourt.
Adelman aside,
this seems more like The Courtship of David Lee by David Kahn.
If they never play NBA basketball again, then I'll never watch it again.
We should sign DeAndre Jordan
… hope the Clippers sign David Lee, and then hold Blake’s BFFL ransom for Love’s BFFL. Ultimately, we’ll end up with Griffin/Jordan, Clips get Love/Lee, thee end!
Adelman aside?
Those two words prompt more mental conflict then I can sort out. Could this organization still be that dysfunctional? Please don’t answer that. If this happens I can only hope it’s because Adelman and his staff have some vision of where they are going. There is no other good reason for this move or any other.
And can someone please tell me what Houston is doing? If Woj is right about the Laker/Paul deal, is their new coach in charge? Is he trying to do for LA what he did for Boston?
by pastyearsears on Dec 8, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
Not a big fan
Though his defensive numbers suggest he was a very good defender in the post. Would like to see Pekovic get a few more minutes. Maybe he turns into our own version of Marc Gasol.
Unless a magic fairy is involved
I don’t think Pekovic has it in him.
He certainly deserves another year to develop and a second chance, but my hopes are not nearly as high for him anymore. :(
Like Shane Heal was the next Manu
Possible but not very likely
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
by littleboxes on Dec 8, 2011 4:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Shane Heal predates Manu by six years.
And Pek will prove you wrong!
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Dec 8, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
You guys are all collectively nuts
Chuck Hayes does stuff that wins ball games. Darko doesn’t. Pekovic doesn’t. AR doesn’t (although there is still hope). At $5M per year, this would be a moneyball move and a good step forward for either franchise. God I hope we land him.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 8, 2011 3:37 PM CST reply actions 8 recs
Some of the fan base
actually deserves to continue watching more basketball like the last two seasons. Mercifully they will likely be spared from that by people making decisions they (strongly) disagree with
I would rather
Amnesty Peck, I don’t see what his use will be, at least with Darko I can squint and see him matching up on defense with other tall guys.
Derrick Williams was going to Bust...but then he was selected by the Timberwolves!
Also
Kevin Love is the type of player to learn from watching Hayes go to work. And Hayes has important things to teach our bigs.
CHUCK HAYES FOR PLAYER/COACH!
If you can get his any of his mentality/footwork on the defensive to rub off on KLove it’s worth it.
And if he can teach Pek how to be a bull post defender, the Target Center will need more janitors for opposing post players who have shit their pants.
He's that veteran contributor at a position of need.
This isn’t terribly complex, really. It’s just hard to imagine this much money tied up in middle-class center contracts.
It does seem like a Darko amnesty is forthcoming, here. Free Darko, part whatever-that-makes-it.
"Opinion ...a confession."
I think this take is not a good reason to get Hayes
if you get him you get him cause you want him, there is plenty of tape available for Love if he wants to study Chuck
Hence the "also"
and the framing of my point as a response to someone who made that point elegantly in a post I recommended.
Get Hayes!
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
by littleboxes on Dec 8, 2011 4:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
The more actual rotation players on the roster the better, redundancy be damned
Derrick Williams was going to Bust...but then he was selected by the Timberwolves!
I agree with that
If we do get Hayes we have to move some pieces though…way too crowded.
But I agree getting actual rotation players is a very solid way to go. I also like the idea of Von Wafer for this reason.
We can both agree that if this is either of our biggest moves this off-season,
we’re screwed.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
Well, if the Wolves sign Hayes,
the Kings could still get Darko in a trade . . .
If they never play NBA basketball again, then I'll never watch it again.
Well you are. Our biggest moves were Williams, Rubio and Adelman.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
And they're biggest move
was almost to Anaheim.
If they never play NBA basketball again, then I'll never watch it again.
by PoorDick on Dec 8, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
^ wieners
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 9, 2011 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
Nah
I think replacing 28 minutes of Darko/Pek play from last year with efficient Chuck Hayes play actually may net the Wolves 8-10 wins in a normal 82 game season. I think it would be, as Rascal Flatts said above, a “moneyball move” that would be great.
I really hope we can outbid the Kings and land him…
Adelman's front office?
Isn’t our pursuit of Chuck indicative of the change Adelman is bringing to the FO? I mean Chuck is neither young (by Kahn’s standards), long or athletic.
I mean bringing your entire coaching staff with you is one thing, but getting the FO to pursue a player when you already have a crowded front court? It seems like Rick has a lot more clout in the FO than I initially expected.
Whether it's a front office change or not, it seems like an indication of how Adelman thinks of our current centers.
Guy’s had nothing to do but watch film and be with his family for a while now. He’s hired his family. He seems to have liked that side of the lockout experience.
The films of last year’s Timberwolves at center, on the other hand?
"Opinion ...a confession."
Do you think Adelman
watched film of his family before he hired them?
If they never play NBA basketball again, then I'll never watch it again.
Yep, I'll bet the Adelman team is talking to McHale about...
…the benefits of Houston getting Pek.
I hope so.
I don’t think McHale will be able to resist that little temptation.
Rubio + DWilliams + Adelman = suck it Clippergeddon
Fraggin frickin freakin fuggin.
Stop trying to trade Pek!
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Dec 9, 2011 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
Whoa fella
technically we were talking about the benefits of Pek and baiting McHale…you are the one who actually mentioned trade.
Rubio + DWilliams + Adelman = suck it Clippergeddon
It's one of my triggers.
Sorry.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Dec 10, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think you want to sign anybody in the current market
teams have too much cap room, everybody will overpay and drive the price up.
Besides, the stupidest thing Wolves can do now is sign role players for long-term contracts. They need to figure out their nucleus first.
Knicks need to unload Turiaf without taking salary back for the Chandler signing to go through. Wolves should jump in on that, they have enough cap space. Turiaf is due for 4 mill in 2011-12, free agent after that. I like it better than signing Hayes long-term.
Turiaf is a more complete player than Hayes, if he gets over his injuries. And comes cheaper too. If he don’t work out, you don’t resign him. Low risk move.
I think many teams with cap room
Is the new normal, and that future off seasons will play out similar to this one. Starters getting paid.
Derrick Williams was going to Bust...but then he was selected by the Timberwolves!
I agree about Turiaf
FWIW, I’m okay with paying Hayes that amount, but if Turiaf is being given away with an incentive for the team that takes him on, it’s a better move.
The good news is hopeful doesn't mean dumb. The bad news is cynical doesn't mean smart. -- Sarah Silverman
by pagingstanleyroberts on Dec 8, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
You don't think its funny that a team in NY that is in desperate need of a big, has Turiaf on the roster and is still in desperate need of a big man?
Turiaf does little other than block shots and get easy baskets, Hayes is a much better player on both ends of the floor and actually helps you win ball games. I’d rather have Hayes for one mil more than Turiaf any day of the week.
Saw an interesting tweet
from Doogie. He was told to keep an eye on Kevin Martin. Apparently Adelman loved him and McHale is lukewarm on him.
by gastrovan on Dec 8, 2011 4:57 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Would love to bring Martin in.
Especially for something centered around Beasley + Pekovic? (I remember Houston was interested in trading the 14th pick for Pek last offseason).
I am very bored with Martin
however if you can get him for something not Rubio, Love, Williams I’d probably do it.
Martin > Stucky or Crawford
"Blue"
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Dec 9, 2011 12:31 AM CST up reply actions
Don't even disagree with that
Still bored with him. Has the guy made a meaningful bucket in his career?
He’s been too one playoff, and ironically joined the Rockets in an attempt to keep them in the playoff picture 2 years ago, but they haven’t gone to the playoffs since his arrival.
He’s a super solid player, so I would take him, but I would urge the K-Mart shoppers to level their expectations.
Once again, that argument is a slippery slope.
There are a lot of losing teams in the league every year, but that doesn’t mean that the good players on those teams are worth less.
Totally
I think my concern lies with the fact that Houston has generally been considered a pretty fair talent team (I’ll give you that they aren’t overly great) but it’s kind of a stat geek dream team with a great coach, and Martin has been probably their best player over his time there…..
I would imagine he could be an insanely valuable asset on a good team, and hell even on our team he’d help.
I just am cautioning that you're getting in reality a no. 3
Which, arguably last season we didn’t even have a no. 4 or 5 player so he’d absolutely be an upgrade, but because of him I do not believe that you’re gonna be winning playoff basketball.
And I get that we’re far away from that point, but even with a K-Mart addition our future success still pretty much relies on the development of Rubio, Williams, Johnson and the hope that KLove will sign an extention.
All that being said if you can get him for Beasley/Randolph/Ridnour/Pek something in that ballpark there is no chance I would turn it down.
I saw that as well and it probably will be denied.
However, we really are one team that can make a multiple player for one better player trade. Mac may see Pek (who he drafted) as a potentially good asset since Housten really lacks size and Mac can really develop big men.
I would really like this to be true.
Martin could be a fantastic piece for this team. It would also allow us to try Wes at the 3, where his lack of handles won’t hurt as much.
Come on, Mac, help out Papa Glen like you did Danny Ainge…
"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson
I really need to check ESPN and Twitter before I post
Crap – the Martin idea’s most likely shot to hell now. I hate the $%%# Lakers…
"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson
The new CBA has nothing to do with it
Though apparently the Hornets are getting screwed by their owners—who happen to own all the other teams.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Dec 8, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
You're correct, EiM...
Several owners protested to the Commish about the trade.
OK, now somebody at 600 get on the horn to Houston and get us some KevMart!
"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson
What I don't understand is why
The Hornets made a choice. Trade Paul, get what they can. That’s the way it goes. It has nothing to do with the CBA except in the broadest terms—the very existence of free agency. Chris Paul played for that franchise for 6 years.
Now, unless this was just a big fuck you to the Lakers, and they will endorse some other, equally good trade, the Hornets are left holding the bag. Syndicate ownership is crap.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Dec 8, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with you, Eric
This is one final “F U” to Jerry Buss from the small market hardliners. The next few days will be very interesting – what will the reaction be to offers by the Knicks and the Celtics? What about the Clippers? LAC could put together a pretty attractive trade package (including our damn pick – Hornetgeddon??), but I doubt that Donald Stirling’s popularity with the other owners is any better than that of Buss.
I feel for Dell Demps. This deal would have given NO a pretty competitive team, not to mention some nice trade chips at the deadline. I don’t envy his job – trying to sell hoops to a less-than-enthusiastic fan base while trying to answer to a 29 member “managing partnership” – each of whom are your direct competition! Thankless doesn’t begin to describe that.
PS – If the deal is truly off, I’ll say it again – Let’s go get Martin!! :)
"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson
I suggested that our pick might go there, but someone pointed out that would mean the LAC needed a pick next year.
They traded out of the first round, and the first overall dang pick, to unload Baron Davis last year.
So in any such transaction they’ve got to get a first back, presumably. I think. (Holds temples.)
"Opinion ...a confession."
If our pick goes to NO,
I suggest “Hornpocalypse.” (Of course, I’ve always preferred “Clippocalypse,” but that never caught on.)
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Dec 8, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Hornetgeddon??
more like geddinHorned.
Rubio + DWilliams + Adelman = suck it Clippergeddon
by nodnarb on Dec 8, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
"Made a choice"? How exactly does this choice work?
Honest question. When the league as a whole ‘decides’ to trade Chris Paul, who’s sitting in Glen Taylor’s chair for that transaction? Dell Demps is the Hornets’ GM, I get that.
David Aldridge says a league spokesman is now saying that the league office “declined to make the trade for basketball reasons,” and that it wasn’t a case of the other owners shooting it down. Apparently that spokesman was Tim Frank.
Chris Paul tweet:
WoW.
"Opinion ...a confession."
It's also an FU to the players imo
As a fan I get sick of the players controlling everything, I can’t imagine what the small market owners think. They’ve honestly got to feel like they have no shot.
Dell Demps is a really solid GM, if Paul would stick around Demps would get that team going in a good direction.
Really unless you draft a superstar AND he’s an awesome person, you are screwed if you’re in a small market.
Which is why I like KLove and I have good feelings about Rubio and Williams…..assuming they become stars as well…
I don't understand this
People are acting like Chris Paul didn’t willingly sign an extension with them when the team showed promise. People acted like LeBron didn’t willingly sign an extension with the Cavs, and like Carmelo didn’t willingly sign an extension with the Nuggets. The small market owners/GM’s are really shooting themselves in the foot by saying “WE NEED TO KEEP LEBRON!!! WE NEED TO SHOW HIM HOW SERIOUS WE ARE BY SIGNING BOOBIE TO ENTIRELY TOO MUCH MONEY!” The Heat put themselves in a great position by convincing Wade of their plan to add stars around him. The Cavs could have employed the same strategy instead of spilling their panic juice all over the place.
We also seem to forget that San Antonio is one of the smaller markets in the league. If you run your team well, you will succeed.
Here's the thing though. Would Lebron have stayed in San Antonio is he were in Duncan's shoes?
I think the answer is no.
The people who are pro player movement will argue that you have to draft a superstar and then if you build your team the right way he’ll stay, and I don’t think that is true.
But the reality is not only do you have to be lucky enough to draft a superstar, you have to be lucky that he’s also not a self-absorbed douche like Durant and Duncan.
You can say what you want but the attitude of Durant and Duncan is so much different than the attitudes of Lebron, Melo, Howard and Paul. They have all exhibited tons of self-centered behavior their whole career, which I don’t even blame them for it would be really really hard to not get carried away, but Durant and Duncan largely are the kind of players that don’t do a lot of talking and don’t make it about them.
How could N.O. make any moves withou Paul signing an extension? I’m sure they had a lot of great ideas to build the team around Paul, but if they do that and Paul leaves then they are left with a bunch of bad contracts. I’m sure Cleveland would have wanted to use their assets to trade higer into the draft instead of burning it on guys like Jamison, but without a commitment from Lebron you’re kind of hamstrung into always playing for the present.
I commend the NBA for this. If Chris Paul wants to leave he can sign a contract in the off-season with the Lakers or Knicks for 40+ million less then he could make in a small market team that has cap room. If he really wants it that bad, then he’s got to feel the burn. He’s got to make a sacrifice.
If he chooses to sign a MLE with the Lakers in the off-season I will greatly respect his desire to win and he will have won me over, but I believe the NBA did the right thing for it’s fans with this decision.
Would Duncan have stayed in SA
if he didn’t perennially have a title team around him?
I don't think he'd have stayed if they sucked
But yes, if they were like KG wolves/ CP3 Hornets where they were always in the playoffs I think he would have at least done what KG did and given the team 11-12 years.
I think KG handled a small market team, and even one that is as mismanaged as the Wolves (which the Hornets aren’t) about as perfectly as you could. He toughed it out, and the Wolves did right by him and traded him with just enough time left to win a title.
But he put his time in, never requested a trade, never even really openly complained about anything while he was here.
I think that’s the way you handle it.
Again, if Chris Paul wants to win soooo badly then he can sign a MLE with LA after the season is over.
Chris Paul has every right to leave the Hornets, but he doesn’t have the right to dictate where a trade can go. That’s what bugs me about this, that’s what bugs me about Howard and that’s what bugged me about Melo.
LeBron I don’t actually have as big a problem with because he left as a free-agent and it worked out so that he didn’t have to take a pay cut to play where he wants. But that’s not the way it will work for Paul: NY can’t pay him a lot, Lakers can’t, the only way for him to get paid is to make this trade so the Lakers clear up cap space.
Again, if CP3 signs a MLE with LA he will single-handedly win me over. I could not respect that enough, cause that is the ultimate desire to win. But I dislike the fact that CP3 will C-Block N.O. into only trading him to two or three teams.
Side note:
If the NBA owns the Hornets own the NBA and they believe the Hornets are better with CP3 don’t they have the right to veto a trade?
If it was one singular owner I don’t think there would be as much of s-storm about this, but if the Wolves want to trade Love but Pappa Tay loves having Love and would rather try and work something out with Love, can’t he say we aren’t trading Love?
Legally? Yes
But it seems morally incorrect. It seemed morally incorrect for the rest of the league to have this team in the first place. It was stupid then, and it has proven to be ridiculous now.
On top of that, the league had no intervention until the trade was agreed upon, and reported. If we were shopping Kevin Love publicly, and traded him… and then Glen Taylor said “I don’t want to trade Kevin Love,” he might be able to get it vetoed. But he’d be an idiot for allowing the trade to occur when it was so public. That is why Stern is an idiot for this.
I am confident in my view that
(Odom + Martin + Scola + 1st round pick) > nothing. And as a Wolves fan, I know a thing or two about “nothing”.
I am confident that that trade would excite no one in New Orleans
So in many ways it would be =nothing because no one would go to the games.
My guess is as many people would show up to watch that 36 win team as they would a 22 win team. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe they have a lot of Kardashian fans there
Personally I think it’s a pretty bad trade for N.O., they didn’t get either of the two best players in the trade. They get three excellent role players, two with fat contracts however.
I don’t get why you wouldn’t just take Gasol and Odom, Gasol is better than KMart and Scola combined and that Houston pick is going to be a classic Houston mid-round pick, which they’ve been drafting for the past 5 years…which is the reason they are stuck in an endless cycle of mediocrity….
They have sold over 10,000 season tickets this year
And nobody anticipated Chris Paul resigning or playing the whole year in New Orleans. They would be fine without Paul financially.
I'm not gonna try and convince anyone of anything
But I would be very very curious to see SnP articles after 3-4 seasons of 45 win basketball.
You guys talk a big game about how you just want wins….Maybe you’ll get what you want and we’ll be in that meaty 6-9 best team in the West for the next decade…break down our near playoff misses…the times we got swept but it wasn’t that bad…the 15th pick in the draft breakdown….Maybe you guys just can’t get enough of that stuff….but I’d imagine even ya’ll would get bored with it at some point….Who is the 2nd coming of Anthony Peeler? That’s what I want to know.
The sooner you stop trying to psychoanalyze the other posters on this site
the sooner you’ll stop looking like an idiot.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Dec 9, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It's more so inferring than it is psychoanalyzation
I haven’t currently suggested posters motives for wanting mediocrity are deeply rooted issues from their childhood.
It has nothing to do with childhood,
and everything to do with motivation.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Dec 9, 2011 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
I have never seen so many people argue
so passionately for mediocrity
Like what are your guys' life goals?
Drive a used Kia, rent out a unspectacular apartment, work a job you sort of like for an okay salary, have a 25-28 percent BMI?
It’s just the NBA guys, it’s not as serious as life. I respect the fact that people have families to take care of and need to do what they can do to survive and not everyone is blessed with the same advantages in life….My life goals are personally much bigger but I acknowledge the position and advantages I have been blessed with and analogous joking aside don’t look down on those goals….
however it’s the NBA, it’s harmless to shoot for the moon, I just can’t see the logic in NOT trying to win a title. I realize it’s very very hard and requires an extreme amount of skill and luck (both of which our management has not proven to be very efficient at), but I think you just board up Target Center if you’re goals are a 45 win team.
And for the record I have never said you intentionally suck nor should a team tank. I think you always try and get the best players possible and the players you think give you the best chance to compete for a title.
example, while I would not have and do not want us to trade DThrill for Steph Curry that does not mean I was for us passing on Steph Curry in 2009. Didn’t like it then, don’t like it now. And if that meant we didn’t have the chance to draft DThrill in 2011 then so be it., I think you still take Steph. However, I think there is a chance us passing on Steph Curry could end up being serendipitous as I believe Williams can be an elite go-to scorer in this league and I think that potential is a lot more….rare I’ll say….than a super efficient combo guard that does everything well but play man-to-man defense (even plays some pretty good team defense though).
Get the best players possible and how it relates to this specific trade
Hornets don’t get the best or the 2nd best player in this deal
CP3 goes to LA
Gasol goes to Houston
If they were to get Gasol I’d be less offended by the trade.
I think it’s a bad trade when you trade a CP3 and someone else gets the other superstar in the deal
"Potential" is not more rare
than what Stephen Curry does. There are multiple guys in every draft who have “potential” to be “an elite go-to scorer in this league.”
Hardly any of them pan out, and Stephen Curry has already spent two seasons producing like a star NBA player.
And by the way, “It’s just the NBA, guys, it’s not as serious as life?” That whole paragraph… Bravo.
Here's another aspect of this: Who says Paul leaves as a F.A.?
What “marquee” cities will have cap room next off season?
New Jersey, but they have Deron Williams.
LAC would be the team I think….and who knows if they choose to pay Gordon and Jordan they might not actually have the cap room to pay a Chris Paul.
LAL won’t have cap room.
NYK won’t have cap room.
I don’t believe Boston or Philly will have cap room.
The people bidding for Chris Paul are going to be all smaller market teams, which N.O. can offer more money than.
If Paul is serious about playing for a winning team he can take a severe pay cut and win my admiration. It will be his right as a free agent and it won’t be him dictating where the Hornets trade him.
Do you remember the decision?
LeBron almost DID stay in the toxic atmosphere of Cleveland. We weren’t aware of how bats#it crazy Dan Gilbert was until he went all Comic Sans on us, but I’m sure LeBron knew, and he legitimately didn’t seem to have his mind made up until after the trade deadline. If they had won 2 or 3 titles there, and been set up to run some more, then of course they would have.
And so you’re saying the best way to build around Chris Paul is to give a bunch of veterans bad contracts? Because that’s why I’m saying they’re losing him. They’ve been irresponsible with money and trades, and legitimately have no future with him. I’d personally rather see the best PG of this generation be able to run a team of good players than see him wither away on a team with no present or future hopes.
2 things
1.) I more or less am just annoyed with the process of the decision than I am with Lebron going to the Heat.
2.) I don’t think the process to win with Paul is to get bad contracts etc, my point was more or less that it can’t be easy to construct a team when you don’t have a commitment from your best player.
example, I would imagine Trevor Ariza becomes almost unusable offensively without Chris Paul. Can’t say I’ve overly analyzed his game but offensively it reminds me of a poorer shooting Wes Johnson (i.e. no handle). If I’m wrong I’ll stand corrected but from what I’ve seen that’s the way it appears. With no Paul, and even in this trade no point guard he’s got to be just worthless on offense, I would imagine.
It’d be kinda like if you were Pheonix around 2005-2008 and Nash wouldn’t commit to the Suns…I would not feel very confident giving a Shawn Marion a lot of money cause his production clearly was reliant on having a competent point guard (Did well with Nash and Kidd, looked very average on Toronto/Miami) , but at the same time he’s a productive player and you don’t want to just let him walk or trade him for something less than what he is….Point is, I can’t imagine it’s easy when you’re best player won’t commit long term to build around him.
I am enthralled with everything that is happening right now.
I have to assume there is a huge player backlash from this.
Lovin' it
Even though I completely despise the Lakers, I felt that they weren’t getting the best part of that deal anyway. In a sense, I felt like they’re getting their own asses saved by this. The only benefit of getting CP3 was that it would lure Dwight to come aboard.
Anyway, I’m still happy that all the Lakers fans around me here are now crying foul and trying to hang on to hope that things get reversed… or re-reversed, or re-re-reverse. I dunno anymore.
So you felt like the Lakers weren't getting the best part of this deal?
When they ended up with the best player in the trade?
They were trading $1.50 in change for a beat-up dollar bill
This would’ve been their depth chart, once you’ve factored in the Kapono signing and Brown departure (and yeah, I’m sure I’m forgetting someone):
Paul/Fisher/Blake
Bryant
World Peace/Kapono
Caracter
Bynum
I mean, does that team even sniff 50 wins? (or whatever the equivalent is in a 66-game season…) When Bynum misses his annual 15-30 percent of the season, the team would get absolutely pissed on. Then you factor in the handful of missed games for Paul and Bryant. I mean, yeah, they’d have signed some dead weight off the scrap heap to fill out their frontcourt, but unless they could magically turn Bynum into Howard and Hedo (and there’s no way that’s the best deal out there for the Magic)…WoW, just WoW.
The Lakers have been dominant because they’ve had the best big-man rotation in the league—Kobe’s been secondary IMO. No idea why the Lakers brass thought dismantling their signature strength was a good idea.
Plus Mike Brown is the coach now
Do we remember what his offenses looked like in Cleveland? iso LeBron, iso LeBron, iso LeBron….. I think he’d be in way over his head with Paul and Bryant. I mean Kobe has gotten less selfish over the years but is he gonna be happy when CP3 is trying to bring the ball up in crunch time? I don’t think so.
by Bad News Wolves on Dec 9, 2011 7:37 AM CST up reply actions
Crunch time issue could be a major headache
CP3 has been leading, if I remember correctly, the most efficient crunch time offense in the league over the past few years. With a weak supporting cast. The ball should absolutely be in his hands when it matters, not Kobe’s. Problem is, I can’t see Kobe toning down his late-game ballhogging routine, and I definitely don’t see Mike Brown being able to control him. Big-time potential chemistry issue, and I never thought I’d say that with a Chris Paul team.
Paul, Kobe, Bynum is the best or 2nd best big 3 in the West
They’d have finished no worse than 3rd in the West with Paul
Doubtful.
People talked about Miami’s frontcourt issues, The Lakers would have made the Heat frontline look like the 85 Celtics. Especially when Bynum won’t play about 20 games this year due to injury. Paul is injury prone. Bryant is showing major wear and tear. I’d be surprised if they made it out of the first round of the playoffs with that roster.
by Bad News Wolves on Dec 9, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
I love the guy, but he gets away with a lot
What he does is body up Amare and rides him on all his drives. One could argue that these are blocking fouls. But because he avoids any contact with his arms and leaves them laterally outstretched, he gives the appearance of not fouling. It’s brilliant. He moves his feet well, but he also bodies right up on guys and knocks them off balance.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 9, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
Yep, but Hayes does more than that.
Looked to me like he used the same philosophy as Battier…
Know where the guy is gonna go to take a shot, and occupy that spot before he gets there. Then he holds position with his wide body and moves laterally with quick feet and anticipation.
It's about time
the Wolves had a guy who played that way (pester the other side without getting called for fouls).
by Dr. Wolfenstein on Dec 9, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Tolliver is a bit of a pest and he draws a ton of charges
He’s no Chuckwagon, but he’s pretty good.
by Rascal Flatts on Dec 9, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
But if the ref isn't calling it then he should go ahead and do it.
The Bruce Bowen methond (minus the flying jump kicks and the punching in the groin)
by Bad News Wolves on Dec 9, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Get hayes keep Pek. That is a perfect guy for him to study under.
"Blue"
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Dec 9, 2011 1:11 AM CST reply actions
That would be a headache
I would imagine Hayes means the end of Pek’s (and hopefully Darko’s) run here
Dang.
SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
Kings signed forward-center Chuck Hayes to a four-year, $21.3 million deal mirroring full mid-level exception, source tells Y! Hayes in Sac.
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