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Amnesty?
…looking more like it now
by Timberwolf i.e. Albatross on Dec 9, 2011 2:39 PM CST reply actions
that's disappointing
I was hoping to see what he could do when healthy.
Amnesty
Sign DAJ to a large offer sheet, if matched, no problem, Webster unlikely to play this year due to recurring back injuries and with team option next season that is unlikely to be picked up, no harm no foul.
Derrick Williams was going to Bust...but then he was selected by the Timberwolves!
Martell is making this year's money, and then the team has an option on next. Darko has three years left on his deal.
You don’t need to amnesty someone who’s making another middle-class year’s salary. You do it to clear more than that.
"Opinion ...a confession."
Webster is making more money this year
Allowing us to give a bigger offer to DAJ. Webster is also useless, Darko at least can play minutes on the court.
Derrick Williams was going to Bust...but then he was selected by the Timberwolves!
*IF* you have an immediate signing that's contingent on his money opening up, okay.
If it was a push between his money and Darko’s, though, you open that cap space for more time with Milicic. It’s only a $500k difference.
I’m in no big hurry to fire the amnesty bolt without either significant cap space gained or a specific move in hand.
"Opinion ...a confession."
Goodbye, Martell
If he can’t play, no sense in paying his contract when we can get it off our cap now and use the financial flexibility. Back troubles are not something that go away quickly and once and for all.
"I don't want to have to read you the riot act, but I am going to have to read you some extracts from the riot act."
To be clear, nothing against Martell. I think it’s a bad situation for him, but it’s a business.
"I don't want to have to read you the riot act, but I am going to have to read you some extracts from the riot act."
by BVP on Dec 9, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
To be more clear...
he still gets paid. It just comes off the cap. So it’s still only useful if we’re going to make a push to sign someone (which I’m all for).
DerrickRickRicky
Coincidence
I just received an email from Mexico proclaiming a miracle medication for post-surgery disc abnormalities. The only asked for a friendly $3,000 upfront investment.
Think David Kahn would go for it?
Dingus Kahn, it's over
Whatever happened with us
going after Portland and trying to get something from this trade. I remember talk of that last year that they knew he was dinged and traded him.
by Doug West Domination!!! on Dec 9, 2011 3:10 PM CST reply actions
I was going to mention that
but couldn’t remember if it was more than just a rumor or not.
by domesticllama on Dec 9, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
I think we got mocked
and then ignored.
by Madison Dan on Dec 9, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Does the timing of this announcement
strike anyone else as a little bit strange?
Nope.
It only came up because Martel wasn’t speaking at the press conference (or whatever went down today).
With every injury is an opportunity.
Wes Johnson may very well have been a reserve behind Webster, had this injury (or condition is perhaps the better term) not happened.
Sink or swim, Wes. I think you’ll get your chance in the coming weeks.
And remember...
“I mean he’s only 19. It’s just so amazing to me how young these kids are. This kid has a body that’s hard to believe. He’s 6-10, 260 [pounds], 6 percent body fat, he’s really sturdy. I think that he’ll have a very long and productive career.” – http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/124396524.html
and
Kahn reports Wes’ pecs and biceps are looking firm and bigger just from his training this offseason thus far — Jerry Zgoda tweet to Jim Souhan on June 24, 2011
Dingus Kahn, it's over
I'm sure
that khan was mesmerized at how athletic Wes looks.
by domesticllama on Dec 9, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Good bye, Martell
Back surgeries for basketball players is deadly.
Wonder if the Wolves will get anything back from the Blazers. Doubtful, I know.
Dingus Kahn, it's over
Can't make comparisons
Back abnormalities vary. But Martell’s has been long-standing approaching chronic.
The odds are very remote that Webster comes back in game shape.
Dingus Kahn, it's over
you can have Luke Babbitt back
but then he’d just be using one your valuable roster spots instead…
by hoodieNation on Dec 11, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Yes,
January of 2015.
If they never play NBA basketball again, then I'll never watch it again.
by PoorDick on Dec 9, 2011 3:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Was Rick Adelman
the Blazers coach when Martell went down during the playoffs incident?
Hmmm
Dingus Kahn, it's over
by Flagrant on Dec 9, 2011 3:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
The last time Rick Adelman was the Blazers' coach
Martell Webster was 7.
But now that you mention it, I think I recall some sort of “toddler gets flattened while bum-rushing the court” incident around 1990..
DerrickRickRicky
by BrettAhlgren on Dec 9, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Ha
Last coached the Blazers in 1997…Martell is 25….so at age 7, he grew well beyond his years?
Dingus Kahn, it's over
by Flagrant on Dec 9, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No...no, he didn't
http://www.nba.com/coachfile/rick_adelman/
Blazers – 1988-1994
Warriors – 1995-1997
Kings – 1998-2006
Rockets – 2007-2009
Wolves – 2011-
DerrickRickRicky
by BrettAhlgren on Dec 9, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
His point . . .
We have a coach with uptempo in his DNA.
by Facial on Dec 9, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
...staggers left, staggers right...
but…
but…
BUT….
DerrickRickRicky
by BrettAhlgren on Dec 9, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
STILL STANDS!!!
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
by Airete on Dec 9, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
SOYLENT!!
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Dec 9, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Do you
buy your apostrophes in bulk?
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Dec 13, 2011 2:14 AM CST up reply actions
Means more minutes for Lee (SG) and Tolliver (F) IMO
Team losing a 3 point threat though. Too bad – seems like a decent guy. POR must still be chuckling over that deal.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
It's do the deal again right now
if the choice was Luke Babbit.
by fanslaststand on Dec 9, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Of course the choice wasn't Luke Babbit...
Just because that’s who Portland wanted doesn’t mean its who we would’ve drafted…
As in I doubt Portland is chuckling about it.
by fanslaststand on Dec 9, 2011 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
we're not
that trade ended up being crappy for everybody involved. Shoot, Gomes was the best player involved and we didn’t even try to keep him.
by hoodieNation on Dec 11, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
The fact that we're even mentioning Malcolm Lee getting any minutes at all is pretty disturbing.
"Opinion ...a confession."
That's too bad
I wish Martell the best of luck rehabbing his back, that’s a difficult injury to ever fully rehab.
Amnesty him. Now.
No equivocation. This team cannot go down this route every season w a guy who they clearly didn’t do their homework on before trading for him.
The good news is hopeful doesn't mean dumb. The bad news is cynical doesn't mean smart. -- Sarah Silverman
by pagingstanleyroberts on Dec 9, 2011 4:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I think they can only use their amnesty 1 time
During the life of this CBA, which could be up to 10 years long.
by fanslaststand on Dec 9, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
But you seem really sure about it. Let's go for it!
Or you want to think it over?
by fanslaststand on Dec 9, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
This is misleading
because the amnesty can only be used on a player signed under the previous CBA. The Wolves have no real longterm deals at anything like big money, so their window to use the amnesty is this year and maybe next on Darko or Pekovic.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Dec 9, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Great point!
That’s probably why they called it amnesty and not a ‘get out of jail free sometime’ provision.
by fanslaststand on Dec 9, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
This is the basis of my argument
Back problems are trouble, and the Wolves needed to seriously consider adding a 2 anyway. Amnesty him, get Ronny Turiaf for free since the Knicks are giving him away to sign Chandler, and grab at least Anthony Parker or Marco Belinelli.
The good news is hopeful doesn't mean dumb. The bad news is cynical doesn't mean smart. -- Sarah Silverman
by pagingstanleyroberts on Dec 9, 2011 5:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wait: Is it only on your own signed players?
I never saw that spelled out, and am too lazy to look around.
"Opinion ...a confession."
yes
traded players cannot be amnestied.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Dec 9, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
Do you have that in a more recent source than this one a few days ago?
Each team permitted to waive 1 player prior to any season of the CBA (only for contracts in place at the inception of the CBA) and have 100% of the player’s salary removed from team salary for Cap and Tax purposes.
That was the CBA language itself. As of whenever this SI article was posted, its meaning was apparently in the air:
Even the league is unsure of amnesty
….The key phrase there is "in place." The NBA told me "in place" meant on a team’s roster right now, so that teams could not use amnesty on a player they acquire via a trade made after the league resumes player movement business on Dec. 9. But union sources insist the two sides have not discussed this scenario in detail, meaning it must be hashed out, along with hundreds of other details, as the two sides scramble to complete the CBA by the end of business on Dec. 8. Perhaps "in place" in regards to amnesty-eligible contracts could simply mean "in existence now," regardless of which team holds the contract.
You have seen the resolution of that, concretely?
"Opinion ...a confession."
I suppose I have not
As in, I have not seen the official interpretation of that clause from the league. But I have never heard from any source that it would be available for anything except contracts already on your roster.
I’m almost certain I’m right. And it’s not as if you are hearing rumors about deals for big contracts that will then be amnestied. Nobody seems to be exploring that, which confirms for me that it isn’t allowed.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Dec 10, 2011 8:16 AM CST up reply actions
Sad news for Martell
But on the bright side, a chance for Targuy Ngombo to show his qualities.
by aarendsvark on Dec 9, 2011 4:36 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
I talked to Martell today
He wasn’t talking like a guy who is out indefinitely.
He was talking about playing in January.
THIS January.
Check out Humdinger TV on YouTube.
http://twitter.com/HumdingerTV
Hopefully that's the case
fingers crossed his athleticism isn’t completely shot.
I talked to him today too
He said, “Quit washing my windshield, and put some damn pants on!”
by zero_on_up on Dec 9, 2011 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
There you go again without the pants.
It’s too cold for that shit. You won’t scare anyone this time of year, but you will garner some mystified looks.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Dec 9, 2011 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
Common health myth: the idea that you lose more heat from your head than any other part of your body.
It’s true, more or less, provided you’re wearing clothes. But nobody much goes outside in the winter wearing a hat and no pants. Because that would be colder. Duh.
"Opinion ...a confession."
I hate pants
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Dec 10, 2011 8:16 AM CST up reply actions
I posted this the other day
for a completely different reason, but here’s a crazy Scot (redundant?) testing that theory.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Dec 10, 2011 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
Wolves shouldn´t use the amnesty on him or Miller.
They are injured, the insurance pays them.
If they get amnestied nobody claims them because they are injured and the Wolves now pay them the whole contract. Nice way to do business.
Mayyyybe if you get a superstar on a salary dump trade or something similar you could revisit the idea….for basketball reasons.
Right, it's strictly cap space for either of them, and it's not even that much or for that long.
"Opinion ...a confession."
Amnesty if
Cap space is needed to sign a SG or C.
We never saw what Martell could do and we probably never will….
That exhibition game in London
convinced me to wait for him. I think he’ll be back in January, and at some point this season even the doubters will be glad we’ve got him.
He was dominant in that UK game against the Lakers and that’s what I’m waiting to see again.
They call me TMiss, but TCrank would be closer to the mark.
If Martell has to retire...
…I think we should trade him to Portland for Roy.
That way Roy can retire a Timberwolf the way God intended.
He who rides a wolf cannot dismount.
I think the
indefinitely is what is scaring everyone. Just because they don’t have a date doesn’t mean he won’t come back this season. If he says January I think we should count on him coming back at some point. Let’s trust our teams physicians on this one.
"Blue"
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Dec 10, 2011 2:22 PM CST reply actions
"Let’s trust our teams physicians on this one."
I hope we still don’t have the same ones that have been screwing up diagnoses for years and years…
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