The Utah Pick: Did it Just Gain Value?
Hey folks, just wanted to take a look at what the Utah pick will mean to us now that Sloan is out of the picture. After the jump I'll look at the protection that the pick has left and Utah's schedule for the rest of the year as well as a brief glance at their outlook. I'd assume most people would be happy if we didn't get that pick this year, so if we can push it off until next year or the year after, that'd be ideal.
First off, the pick protection:
2011: Top 16
2012: Top 14
2013: Top 12
2014: Top 9 (more below)
And here's where we have to take some caution. And also where the language seems a little hazy. I'm hoping someone can clarify this for me. Hoopsworld says "top-9 protected from right to swap in 2014, else 2014 second-round pick." So does this mean we have the right to swap picks, unless ours is lower, then we just get their second rounder in 2014? Or do we just get their second rounder and this is confusing for no reason? Anyways, however unlikely it is that Utah becomes a bottom 10 team, if they are in 2014, the pick could come to us as a second rounder. Ouch. If any of this info is wrong, I'd appreciate any corrections.
Now to the standings:
Well, near the beginning of the season, I argued adamantly that Utah was not as good as their record. They started off 15-5, including comeback wins over Miami and Orlando. Since then, their record has dropped to 31-24 (56.4%), including losing 11 out of their last 15 games. Now, I don't believe that they are quite as bad as they've shown in the last 15, but they're certainly closer to a 56% team than a 75% team.
There are currently 18 teams worse than the Jazz. But those teams include quite a few who could challenge the Jazz in the coming weeks if they trip up in the slightest . Portland and New York seem to be our best bets for knocking them off, though Denver could also drop behind them if they lose Melo for little in return. Then we've got Memphis, Phoenix, and Houston in the West and Philly in the East who could potentially surpass the Jazz. The [very] dark horse candidates would be Milwaukee in the East and the Clippers in the West to have a late season surge. I, for one, no longer think it's a lock that we get their pick this year (yes, that would be a tremendous thing).
Their schedule for the year (Bolded games are the most important games, not home/away):
February: Phoenix, GSW, Dallas, Indiana, Detroit, and Boston. I'll give them at least 50% to finish the month. Phoenix is the biggest game with Indiana in a close second.
March: Denver, Sacramento, New York, Toronto, Minnesota, Chicago, Philadelphia, Minnesota, Houston, Memphis, OKC, New Orleans, Dallas, and Washington. Looks like we have a hand in our own fate in March. We better win those two games. Hopefully Denver can pull it off without Melo and New York will easily win with Melo. I'm giving them 8 wins for March.
April: Lakers, Sacramento, Lakers, Portland, Spurs, New Orleans, Denver. Seems like we could catch a break if the Lakers and Spurs are battling for home court with Miami and Boston. There are no real gimmes in this month except maybe the Kings. Even that might be a stretch. I think it'll come down to the wire (unless Utah completely falls apart, which I doubt). Should be a fun thing to watch for the rest of the year. Hopefully Shrink will keep us updated on this.
So assuming we get lucky and don't end up with the pick this year, let's take a look at where the team is headed:
Coming off the books in:
2011: Andrei Kirilenko and a lot of backups. I'm guessing Kirilenko leaves, especially now that the team is in 'turmoil.' CJ Miles has a team option, which I would assume Utah picks up. Depending on where the cap comes in, it doesn't look like they would be able to do anything tremendous to boost their team with the exception of signing AK47 to a smaller deal and finding another vet who is desperate.
2012: Utah has a guaranteed $54.5M (including Miles and only 7 other contracts) on their books already. Okur's $11M salary comes off the books at the end of next season. CJ Miles needs a raise or he's gone. They have quite a few roster spots to fill and not a lot of cash to do so.
2013: With Okur off the books, Utah has $43.5M going into the 2012/2013 season. This is assuming Deron Williams picks up his player option for $18M. As things currently stand and with all of these super-teams coming about, I don't see this happening. Actually, I'm not 100% convinced he will be there after the next trade deadline anyways. Assuming their best case though, they have a core of Williams/Milsap/Jefferson with Bell and Hayward taking in $43.5M. Unless Hayward turns into a stud, this seems a little problematic. Especially without Sloan. Not enough to put them into the bottom 10, which, IMO, is a good thing.
Ideally, we'd get the pick next year after handing the Clippers the 13th pick (am I shooting too high? I don't think so.). Though it'll be interesting to follow the Deron Williams story line from here on out. Will he get frustrated and make behind-the-scenes (or public) requests for a trade? Will he stick around now that Sloan is gone? Will Jefferson learn defense? But I don't think the Jazz end up below 16 this year and above 14 next year. While possible, it just doesn't seem likely. I think Williams is gone if they don't make the playoffs this year or if they get smoked in the first round (which, I believe, they will). Without Williams, they've got the same problem we did with Jefferson/Love, except with Millsap. I'd guess they would be starting over with young guys (maybe from the Wolves???) and would drop a few spots for at least a year, if not more. While I can certainly imagine some scenarios where Utah ends up in the bottom 9 in 2014, I just don't see it happening with Jefferson, Millsap, and Williams' trade haul. So basically, I think Sloan leaving Utah was a godsend for us this year. We don't end up with 3 picks in a crappy draft, we have a chance to get our pick replaced next year, or maybe we'll get a nice infusion of an extra middle pick when we are starting to edge the playoff teams out of the picture. I think it looks good for us. And I think it'll be fun to follow this year. I am no longer cheering for the Jazz. My apologies to Big Al.
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It wouldn't shock me if this became a Jaric type situation
I’m not sure Utah makes the playoffs this year. I’m hard pressed to see how losing AK-47 makes them a lot better next year either.
"Vote Ailuridae for Wolves GM"
Wonder how AK
would look in a Wolves jersey. I’ll be interested to see what his asking price is in FA. That’d be a nice lineup if we somehow got Monta.
Rubio maybe
Monta
AK47/Beasley
Love/Beasley
Darko
2 strong defenders, Love, high usage guy, and Rubio who would probably benefit on defense from a Kirilenko type. Beasley gets to light it up from the bench. Wouldn’t blow anyone away, but it might put up a strong fight for a lower playoff slot.
Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.
Why do you think Utah is going to get worse?
It is just a coaching change, if anything they will play better for at least a month or so, as teams often do once they get a new coach.
At any rate, we would get the pick if the season ended today. I fully expect us to get their worthless late first rounder this year.
To me it's more that they've been losing a lot of games lately.
Moreso than the coaching change effect. In that sense we agree. Always seems like you get a coaching change max effort for a few weeks.
by fanslaststand on Feb 12, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
Keep in mind
they aren’t just losing any coach here. Sloan is a HOF coach. It’d be like saying the Lakers or Spurs would win more if Jackson or Pop left.
And I think the reason he left may be more of a sign of things to come. I could be wrong though. I don’t see us getting their pick this year. And I think next year is less likely as I don’t think they would improve from this year to next and I don’t think they will only get worse by 2 slots.
Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.
Y, I know Sloan was a great coach.
But over 30 games, cmon. Who knows what’s going to happen. It’s just as likely that they rally and play like hell for Corbin as it is that nobody can function anymore w/o Sloan around.
by fanslaststand on Feb 12, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
I firmly believe
Rambis has lost us at least 4 games this season. If Corbin has half of that effect for the rest of the year, it makes a huge difference when the ‘race’ is this close.
Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.
Y, me too on Rambis.
We’ll have to wait and see I think in Corbin’s case.
Agree they would be better of with Sloan under regular circumstances. At the same time Sloan knew it was time to step down. For reasons hard to quantify, its possible they improve.
by fanslaststand on Feb 12, 2011 6:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I thought AK-47 was leaving the NBA
or has he changed his mind?
by Bad News Wolves on Feb 12, 2011 5:04 PM CST reply actions
Utah's going to get worse
Since they outperformed their true talent level earlier this season. They’re not the Jazz of old with Memo Okur nearing his last legs, Al Jefferson a downgrade from Carlos Boozer, and no SG (CJ Miles doesn’t do much for me). Take away Deron Williams and they’re comparable to the Wolves.
"Vote Ailuridae for Wolves GM"
Couldn't agree more
Without Williams, they’ve got the same problem we did with Jefferson/Love, except with Millsap.
Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.
I still think they make the playoffs
And they probably stay out of the top 16 even as an 8 seed because the last two East playoff spots are currently occupied by sub-.500 teams. My guess is that Corbin runs more stuff that suits what Jefferson does best and features Williams, which keeps them on a decent path for the short term.
I think the more important question is whether the Utah pick should be moved for Randolph, since the assumption is that it would that pick moved straight-up for him in any deal. Earlier, I would’ve said yes, but now, it’s no.
by pagingstanleyroberts on Feb 13, 2011 7:07 PM CST reply actions
I agree about Randolph
but I would have said no before too so perhaps I’m biased. The last time I addressed the issue with an open mind the pick would have been 24 or 25. Now it’d be 18 or 19. Although I’m unsure whether I’d bet it’ll finish higher or lower now that Sloan’s gone, it’s still better than it was when the Randolph rumors started.
I think
that if we expect the pick this year, we trade it for Randolph without hesitation. If we think it’s going to be next year, we have to take a second to think about it. 2013, I’d be more likely, but still have to give it some thought. We don’t need 3 picks this year and that’s all I know…
Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

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