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Acceptance

 

 


The latest talking point coming out of 600 First Avenue is that the Wolves are now positioned to be players in the post-CBA landscape of the NBA.  I am not quite sure if this would be the 8th or 9th window of opportunity since David Kahn wrote to fans about a 17 month plan with 5 windows some 20 months and 6 or 7 windows ago.  As if it wasn't obvious before, it should be now: he's making it up as he goes along and he doesn't know what he's doing.  There's nothing you or I or anyone not named Glen Taylor can do about it.  

More thoughts below the fold. 

Star-divide

For the sake of simply keeping record of what the team does, let's examine the newest story that the team uses to sucker people into buying tickets to a crappy product. 

The team is currently on the books for $43.7 mil in 2011/12. This is for 12 players, including Jonny Flynn.  Assuming that the team will draft 2 players and that they'll do everything they can to trade Flynn, they should end up with 13 players and about $45 mil heading into the free agency period after the draft.  

The Wolves are currently asking their fans to believe that the uncertainty of the post-CBA NBA world will place the low-salaried Wolves in a position to take on big contracts from teams that have to cut money to make it under a lower luxury tax or a hard cap.  They are also asking their fans to believe that the team may make moves on draft day, which is the day this year's contract structure officially goes out of business.  They want you to believe that the team who wouldn't add a penny of additional salary at the trade deadline because of an unknown post CBA structure will take on millions of additional salary on draft day with a still unknown post CBA structure.  In more simple terms, the Wolves won't add to the $54-56 mil they currently have on the books right now because the hard cap could be below that number in the aftermath of the new CBA, but they will do so on the draft day before the hard cap could be below the same number.

Right. OK, whatever. 

The saddest part about today's deadline wasn't the additional notch in Kahn's never-ending bullshit belt; rather, it was the fact that the team provided yet another example that it is locked in a death spiral of bad finances and bad management.  They need to get good in order to make money but they need to spend money in order to get good. Whether or not Glen Taylor has closed the wallet because of Kahn's incompetence or because his partners are refusing capital calls is irrelevant.  What matters is that the team was targeting Raja Bell and Aaron Brooks because they would be in deals that would not cost the team any cold hard cash.  

Papa Glen, for all of his obvious faults as an owner, is right to not want to let a man who has shown nothing in the way of being able to assemble real NBA talent spend any more of his money.  He may as well throw some darts at a board or put some numbers on a bunch of marbles and play Hungry-Hungry-Hippo to run the Draft instead of handing things over to Kahn.  Why on earth would he let this guy make a multi-million dollar trade? 

Anywho, technically, the Wolves can still make use of their cap space.  In reality, and in practice, does anyone still believe that they will?  Not this guy.  I've accepted that they're just going to pull the football away and I'm not going to take another run at it.  

The only tinge of emotion I have about this team right now is of regret.  I don't like being played for a fool and that's the only thing I think they've done to their fans over the past 5-6 years.  I feel stupid for investing so much time and energy into following them.  Honestly, the only thing that keeps me from completely walking away is this community and a morbid curiosity to see just how bad it can possibly get with a guy like Kahn in charge of the whole operation.  

Here are some thoughts from a few remaining diehards:

Eric in Madison

I think I’ve hit rock bottom with this team. I’m here, I’m not going anywhere, but I feel completely bereft. This squad has nothing going for it. At all. Terrible ownership, lousy management and coaching. Even ignoring the years of badness before the arrival of Kahn and Rambis, it’s a complete disaster. Not one good starter added since Kahn’s reign of error began.

Exactly one (1) good player (let’s not kid ourselves at this point; Love is it. Beasley is exactly what he has been, which isn’t very good).

And what’s the future? Another high pick in a bad draft, which Kahn has proven inept at anyway, then Clippergeddon. Theoretical cap space that is essentially gone now, an owner who shows no inclination to spend, a beaten down fanbase, an organization that has no appeal to free agents for good reason. Another trade deadline, another big nothing, except yet one more reclamation project. At some point that ceases to be interesting strategy and becomes destructive fetish. We are there, friends.

Littleboxes:

The problems seem insurmountable. Even the luck of the lottery cannot save this franchise. They are the new old Clippers. They are a laughing stock.

But, they are my team and so I tune in and watch 20 minutes (all I can bear) of horrible basketball every now and then.

It’s like gambling…the joy of losing, knowing in advance that you will lose, and you still play. I hate gambling.

Coffee Janitor:

I’m done. I was excited to start the season, especially for the potential a young team and cap space represented, but as of now the organization has proven that it absolutely does not know what it’s doing.

We need a new owner. Whether or not a new owner will keep the team here is beyond me, though.

There are plenty more (here's a good fan post).  I have emails, DMs, IMs, phone calls, texts....90% of it is in the same direction: the remaining die-hards have all heard the ticket pitches.  We've all heard someone from the team talk about cap space and draft picks and...well, the team has a guy who doesn't (or can't) do anything with any of it. 

I want to be mad but I can't.  I've accepted that this team will say whatever and do whatever and while it has fantastic people in marketing, PR, community relations, radio, TV, and working at the arena, the people in the front office have zero respect for the fan base.  The owner cannot get out of his own way and he has found himself in a death spiral of doom.  It sucks.  

Here's Chris Wright from a year ago:

#4 ME: David Kahn has laid out a vision of how the next three years will go. With one year almost on the books, how do you see his plan working so far? 

CW: Obviously, I think how I would characterize that is that David has a position to take advantage of, possibly, the biggest off-season in franchise history.  It is up to him and his staff that the assets we have accumulated are utilized correctly.  The fact that we have a top 5 pick, the fact that we have Utah's and Charlotte's pick and expiring contracts, and that we are positioned well in a massive free agency market, it can be potentially one of the great summers in our franchise.  As you know from watching the NBA, you only need 3 players to be a very good franchise.  Look at how Oklahoma has turned themselves around very quickly in the past few years.  We hope to be in a position like that [where we can quickly turn it around] this summer.  By this time next year, we think we can be a completely different team in the NBA.  

#5 ME (via Wile E. Coyote): How is the team planning to define success next year? From a fan perspective, if next year is not about trying to win games and put the most competitive rotation on the floor, I will not watch. I cannot stand another year of abstract player evaluation, zero accountability for wins, and a general tank-a-thon to yet another draft.


CW: We've got to compete for a playoff spot next year.  That is success on the court and with the potential of Rubio the year after, and one more round of free agency, and lotto in the event that we don't make the playoffs; all that being said, I think we will compete for the playoffs next year at this time and if we do not, I will be very disappointed.  With this comes expectations of attendance. I think we should be averaging 16k people again.

I was mad about that a month or so ago.  Now, I realize it's just the byproduct of something obvious. 

The team had Lazar Hayward, Anthony Tolliver, and Mike Beasley call season ticket holders today.  They also tweeted that Rambis said Anthony Randolph might play in tomorrow's game right at the trade deadline. I'm sure that this says something about something but I don't want to think about it long enough to figure it out. Whatever, whoever, asdlfkkasdlfkjjlasdfdjf. 

This team is run by an owner who rightfully has put it into a death spiral.  It's POBO doesn't know what he's doing and every time he opens his mouth he makes things worse.  The poor folks who have to sell tickets don't have anything to work with.  Blah, blah, blah.  

On that note, let's gear up for some more blowouts, another draft run by incompetents, and.....what else? 

Who cares?  I've accepted that question. 

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Can we stage some sort of protest?

If the citizenry of Egypt and Tunisia can oust a corrupt government, is it too foolish to think we remaining fans can’t somehow force the firing of Rambis? I can wait a bit longer on Kahn, as ridiculous as that sounds. But Rambis. Must. Go. Now.

by BVP on Feb 24, 2011 8:55 PM CST reply actions  

As a child of the 80s..

…I caught the tail end of the Cold War hiding under the desk because of nukes and Gaddafi was the ultimate bad guy.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Along with the French,

who “made fighter pilots go out of their way,” in the immortal words of Tesco Vee.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I honestly can't believe how off his rocker this guy is

On the plus side, the footage from Libya I saw today was super inspiring. Brought a tear to my eye.

by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 24, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Remember...

…they hate freedom. ;) At least ours.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

The guy's insane

Maybe literally, medically insane. He was on the news earlier today ranting about how this revolt is the result of drugs and Osama Bin Laden…

by Oceanary on Feb 24, 2011 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed

That's Mr. Downer to you.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Not unlike

David Kahn’s rationalizations.

Dingus Kahn, it's over

by Flagrant on Feb 24, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

My favorite Gaddafi moment

Was his UN speech.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

We scoff at the whacked public statements,

like Gaddafi claiming protestors are using hallucinogenic drugs and influenced by Al Quaeda. What the heck?

But people in crowds respond to this stuff.

The thing where the reporter got abused in the Egyptian protests a while back was illustrative. Egyptian security forces were putting out claims that ‘foreign spies’ (strong hint: Israeli ones) were disguised as reporters, basically trying to turn the crowd against the news reporters who were giving it some of its power. The reporter involved got beaten up by people shouting “Spy” and “Jew,” and it’s not clear if the people who did it were among the protestors, or thugs in support of Mubarek, or what. The claim about spies was completely transparent, but that didn’t stop a crowd from acting on it.

(In general the “He’s insane” claim jumped that shark for me with Saddam Hussein. At some point you have enough enemy heads of state who are declared nuts, and it starts to occur to you that there’s a bigger story. Kruschev is nuts, he’s pounding his shoe on the table! Cambyses, heir to Cyrus the Great, is killed by stabbing himself at the same spot in his leg where he’d stabbed a sacred cow earlier! Basically people very often claim the other side is led by a madman.)

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Sometime watch "Broadcast News" again.

It’s a Massive Mobilization of Military Might.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

"I can sing

While I read
I am singing
And reading
BOTH!"

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 25, 2011 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Way quotable movie.

The moment when Aaron and Holly Hunter are trying to find a place to talk, and they agree quickly on “The place by the thing where we went that one time.”

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes,

I happened to catch it (again) a year ago, and it’s surprising how well it holds up (other than the women’s hairstyles and shoulder pads), after 24 years. Good actors, great script.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 25, 2011 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah this is probably the lowest point the franchise has ever been in

I’m trying to take solace in the rest of the NBA. The playoffs are going to be a hell of a lot of fun, especially after some of the moves made in the last few days.

"Loading up the pump, the uzi, a couple M-16's, a couple 9's, a couple joints with some silencers on them, a couple grenades, and a missile launcher with a couple missiles since 2003"

by rkbrew on Feb 24, 2011 8:59 PM CST reply actions  

We've had worse. We truly have.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think

we should be interested in hiring him.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 24, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

PD - you never fail to bring a smile

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Feb 24, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

, His wife said, sarcastically.

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 24, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

That was

just because it wasn’t the first time he’d brought a smile to a gun fight.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought we were going to get something by trade.

You can’t win without proven players. This squad looks like the cast of MASH. Why are all of our players reclamation projects?

"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction."
Will Rogers

by WillistonCoyote on Feb 24, 2011 9:00 PM CST reply actions  

The Wolves are now the Pawn America of the NBA

That's Mr. Downer to you.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I mean that's the question really

How much is it Kahn being unable to make a big move and how much is it the ownership handicapping him with spending? Sure he hasn’t made any major trades since taking over but who’s to say he ever had freedom to make that kind of move? Perhaps he wasn’t hired to make the team better, but to cut salary for Taylor? We may never really know.

by Cobra312004 on Feb 25, 2011 3:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Drafting

Kahn’s record of player evaluation that is 1) cheap and 2) under team control hasn’t inspired me.

by TwinATL on Feb 25, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I Care for Kahn.com

That’s my guy… you guys are haters!

by Wu on Feb 24, 2011 9:01 PM CST reply actions  

I want to do some type of protest

I wish we could do a boycott or something. I really think we are the worst franchise in professional sports. It’s sad…..

I hate that I’m addicted to this website, because now I can’t leave even though the Wolves make me sick to my stomach.

by Far East on Feb 24, 2011 9:02 PM CST reply actions  

Alright, we now have two on board for a protest. Who else is with us!

by BVP on Feb 24, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

You know...

….I’ve had 4-5 emails like that today. I’ll try to work in more non-Wolves content for folks.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm in!!

Any person who we could swarm with emails…

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Feb 24, 2011 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Negative

We’re not going to spam someone in the Wolves’ FO with emails. S-n-P is saying he received emails from other fans about how upset they were

by Oceanary on Feb 24, 2011 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

The people who matter don’t care and I’ve received a ton of feedback from fans and season ticket holders. It’s been crazy.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the ticket reps have heard it all

I don’t know what to do. If it makes you feel better, I can 100% tell you every comment on this site is read from an ISP addy at 600 First Avenue. We’ve definitely reached a point where the site is looked at as something as a “voice of the fan”. That being said, I don’t know who else to email about what just happened. The people who really matter with basketball decisions are 15 years behind the marketing folks in terms of fan interaction. The have their own world.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

That's Mr. Downer to you.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I think your real problem is Rob Moor...

From everything I’ve read and heard.. Taylor relies on him too much and he is in way over his head. DIdnt I just read that he is the one that essentially chased off all our GM candidates?

"But this one goes to eleven..."

by kingsxman on Feb 24, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of Rob Moor...
“When we hired Kahn and Kahn hired Rambis, we promised them three years to develop a winning team,” Moor said. “We figure it would take at least that long to turn the program around. We feel they are making progress despite their record.”

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Feb 25, 2011 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

That is from today's Sid Hartman article

Sid then immediately goes on to say….

The man with the toughest job in the Wolves organization is team president Chris Wright.

How would you like Wright’s job of selling season tickets for 2011-2012 after the past two losing seasons the Wolves have experienced?

hmmm Sid, I wonder if those two points are related?

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Feb 25, 2011 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

(begins learning

programming skills needed to build “3 Year Countdown Clock”)

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 25, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Rambis has a four-year contract.

Is this the opposite of one of those “votes of confidence” we hear about?

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha,

I didn’t even think of that. Who the hell signs someone to a 4 year contract but promises them “3 years”

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Feb 25, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Standard . . .

Much in the same way contract extensions are negotiated and awarded well before the original contract is up.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 25, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

C'mon,

DISH!

What’d he say?

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 24, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

She's too

smart for me.

But I shall work with her some day, upon the court’s declaration of my indigence.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 24, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

That's funny . . .

but if you were to . . . ahem . . . extend her handle that way, she’d be PoorDick Girl, and I don’t know any woman who would volunteer for that label.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

NOW

you tell me . . .

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 24, 2011 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

The actual Mrs. PoorDick

isn’t thrilled either.

I say SHONDA you say WOLVES" SHONDA! WOLVES!

by Eric in Madison on Feb 24, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha!

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I was the only female in the room.

But he knew my first name ( they do pay attention).

by PDGirl on Feb 24, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

They do pay attention?

I blame everyone here for the drafting of Wesley Johnson. If there hadn’t been a good 30ish% of the CH population that wanted Wes, I think there’s no way they pass on Cousins for him. Either that, or they’re really bad listeners…

If they were listening, they’d hire me to do the stat work for the team (pretty evident that their current work isn’t cutting it)! I work for cheap!

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 24, 2011 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah....

…we’re still viewed as cheeto-eating slobs by the people who make basketball decisions. I swear I haven’t looked at a bag of cheetos in quite a while.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

You eat them

with your eyes closed?

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 24, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed

It’s an adventure.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Worst cheetohs moment ever:

A 17-month-old child in my back seat chooses Cheetohs as his car snack in Spearfish, South Dakota. We then proceed into the canyon. He becomes carsick.

Not to worry: There’s only another day’s worth of drive to Allenspark, Colorado left on the other side, with the ever-present faint smell of Cheetohs wafting forward to me.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

it's always fun..

….when memories are accompanied by smells.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 25, 2011 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Olfactory nerves and hippocampus are the two major sources of new neurons in an adult brain.

Smells, memories. “Proust was a Neuroscientist” isn’t that great a read, but it’s cool to think about.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

That would explain

the “slob” part.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Definitely

That's Mr. Downer to you.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll have them know that I don't eat junk food/fast food

The steak spaghetti sauce I made tonight was glorious to say the least.

I should probably post the recipe on here. It would prolly make everyone’s night better.

by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 24, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed

Perhaps it’s time to go back to recipe recaps.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Not

those of us who don’t eat dead animals.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

It's called Seitan

;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

That's pretty good as a substitute.

And, weird as it sounds, easier for me to find in Oklahoma than it is in the south suburbs.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I know, right?

Although, we never found a good co-op in Oklahoma.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

In Norman

there were good stores for veg*ns (The Earth, Dodson’s) and there was the hilariously named “The Health Food Store” in south OKC, but no co-ops that weren’t really weird.

Here, there’s Valley Natural in Burnsville. I haven’t found anything else yet.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Got to get out of the burbs

The Wedge has everything veg you could ever want

by hoopsfan1 on Feb 24, 2011 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Where's that?

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I need to check it out.

Valley Natural is the co-op I belong to, but I like to have options.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I am more partial to the Seward Coop

but I also think Linden Hills is great.

And sadly, Whole Paycheck has it all, too.

by PDGirl on Feb 24, 2011 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks.

Where else can a guy go to vent petty frustrations over a basketball team, and learn all kinds of important things useful to his weird lifestyle?

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

This is the best blog on the interwebs!

Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga.

by SoDakHmr on Feb 24, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions  

my gf's

apartment is right next to whole foods.

love the food, but the price is going to break my budget in half.

by TwinATL on Feb 25, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

We were in Edmund and Piedmont

Nothing out there. And yes, the Wedge has everything you need. Mississippi Market, too.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Making your own seitan is pretty easy peasy

I’m not a vegan any more (I’m a pescetarian) but when I was I converted over to home seitan making pretty early on.

by Ailuridae on Feb 24, 2011 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I was pescetarian for a year

before I went full veggie (I don’t know that I’ll ever go vegan), and it made the transition a lot easier.

Do you know where there’s a good source for homemade seitan?

BTW, asking a store clerk in Oklahoma (buckle of the Bible Belt) where they keep their seitan can be awfully amusing.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

There was a vegan cookbook published in 2001

that had a great seitan recipe. It is up in St Paul at my partner’s house and I can’t remember the title for the life of me. Next time during the game thread remind me and I’ll give you the recipe.

by Ailuridae on Feb 25, 2011 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll try to remember that.

Most of my friends love the veggie dishes my wife and I produce, but home-made seitan will really confuse them.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 25, 2011 12:25 AM CST up reply actions  

fishface

I say SHONDA you say WOLVES" SHONDA! WOLVES!

by Eric in Madison on Feb 24, 2011 11:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed

Being a pescetarian and doing crossft means that I consume an unreal amount of tilapia, salmon, shrimp, clams, etc

by Ailuridae on Feb 24, 2011 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

And an unreal

amount of mercury, if the alarmist reports are to be believed.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 25, 2011 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

it's a HUGE mistake not to be alarmist reports

HUGE!

I haven't written an insightful post in years.

by littleboxes on Feb 25, 2011 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

not to HEED alarmist reports

huge mistake not to heed them

Of course, it’s also a huge mistake to be an alarmist report.

I haven't written an insightful post in years.

by littleboxes on Feb 25, 2011 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I was about to say

Dammit, I’m not an alarmist report! What do I doooooooooo?

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 25, 2011 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not terribly worried

Almost all the protein I consume is farm-raised and most is low mercury type stuff:

http://www.fda.gov/food/foodsafety/product-specificinformation/seafood/foodbornepathogenscontaminants/methylmercury/ucm115644.htm

And a lot of what I eat I have equity stakes in the business itself. I probably do more damage to myself every ninth or tenth day (Cheat day) than I do by eating pescetarian the rest of the time.

by Ailuridae on Feb 25, 2011 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

What do you allow yourself on your cheat day?

I know that my personality doesn’t allow such a thing, but I’m curious.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 25, 2011 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

It vaires

on my better cheat days it’ll be something alright for me like a basic shrimp jambalaya. But sometimes I’ll make myself something genuinely bad for myself -fried chicken very rarely, four cheese lasagna more often. And a lot of stir fry and pasta. On non cheat days I take nearly all of my proper (non-beer) carbs from legumes and low GI grains like barley.

by Ailuridae on Feb 25, 2011 12:26 AM CST up reply actions  

You must have gone the restricted-diet route

for dietary/physiological reasons. Or am I wrong? Legumes and barley sound great.

I’m an ethical vegetarian. My cheat days couldn’t include chicken or fish at this point, even though that jambalaya sounds freaking amazing.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 25, 2011 12:29 AM CST up reply actions  

It is a long road

I became an ethical vegan (sustainability not cruelty) in 2000 and remained one for five or so years. Then I started looking towards sustainable fisheries as a solution to protein deficiencies. I was also struggling to get my protein as an athlete (1g/pound without eating meant is very difficult) and I ended up starting with clams and then expanding. Now I get my protein from a variety of sustainable fisheries and eggs from the Amish Live Chicken place on my block.

I also come from a pretty rural back ground – I’d guess I have probably personally killed 10000 baby chickens in my life. Aint no fixing that.

by Ailuridae on Feb 25, 2011 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Interesting.

I’m more of a cruelty ethical veggie, though the sustainability bit is compelling as well.

I don’t have the athlete conflict, as I’m a pretty sedentary human (though I’d like to alter that a bit).

You’re right, though. Your dietary path is strange, considering your background. But what kind of athletics do you engage in that requires that kind of protein intake?

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 25, 2011 12:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I do crossfit

Which is a little like a strength athlete cult. I usually run 6-8 miles a day in addition to clear my head and about 4 times a week do a standard boxer’s workout. To not burn through muscle I have to consume a lot of lean protein.

by Ailuridae on Feb 25, 2011 3:04 AM CST up reply actions  

You don't have a couple of days a month

where you toss all your ethics out the window? An interesting approach, but not one I’d be likely to adopt.

by dropstep on Feb 25, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

My ethical sense

is odd, but inflexible—at least regarding this issue.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 25, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Uhhh

isn’t farm raised much more likely to be overloaded with mercury and the like? Or am I misinformed?

by dropstep on Feb 25, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Replace steak with copious amounts of mushrooms

Not sure what types though. Whatever’s meatiest. Morels?

by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 24, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Shiitake are awfully beefy.

Morels are just too damn expensive to use too often, or in large quantities.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

That's why you hunt for them in the fall and stack up.

I’ll have to try shitake sometime though. never had them

by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 24, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Make sure you remove the stems.

They’re largely flavorless, and really tough. The caps are awesome, though.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

How can they think that given all the recipes?!?

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

No kidding.

Some users proclaim their favorite meal in their user name, and it sure isn’t “Cheetos.”

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 25, 2011 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Are you watching TV sitting naked in a beanbag?

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by frankenhoops on Feb 25, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I heard about this incident from a co-worker...

which says something about this site and its influence.

by Andy G on Feb 24, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

PDGirl!

I wondered when you were going to post what you found out.

I’m surprised they called you out. Did you learn any that made you feel more positive or understanding of their direction that you can share?

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Feb 24, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I kind of make a conscious decision not to make a full post

Because I was made to feel like perhaps my doing so could jeopardize future fan access or at least candor with fans. I was for sure a small fish there ( in terms of my ticket prices and how long I have had them).

I don’t know if I learned anythingbthat will be particularly comforting. I guess that I gleaned Raambis is definitely on the hot seat? (not explicitly stated). Most depressing was the idea that the wing positions are set.

(I hate typing on iPads)

by PDGirl on Feb 24, 2011 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

There's some wisdom.

If Kahn can’t own up to mistakes, he’s likely to be prickly and vindictive for other reasons.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Apropos of nothing, don’t we have a mutual friend in the City Attorney’s office, or am I confused on that?

by BVP on Feb 24, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

If "the wing positions are set"...

is the reason for not outbidding Indiana today for OJ…

that’s just bad news.

by Andy G on Feb 24, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm fairly positive the team was after Mayo

Why they missed him, who knows. But I do think the team was active there

by Oceanary on Feb 24, 2011 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I thought they were too. I also think they liked Ellis. I don’t know if they’ll go after him on draft day. That would be a good thing, but I….well, I just don’t know at this point.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

It's possible it was as simple as Indiana calling first

It’s honestly hard to fault Kahn for this one. There’s a lot of legit possibilities why it didn’t happen. I know there were 5 or 6 teams all calling about him….Bulls, Mavs, Pistons, etc. And for sure, by the time it was clear Indiana had dropped the ball, it was too late to get back in it

by Oceanary on Feb 24, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

It is only hard to fault Kahn...

if his hands were tied, financially.

There were literally weeks to explore OJ’s trade price, starting when he was suspended and ESPN immediately started speculating on whether he’d be traded.

by Andy G on Feb 24, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Indiana called first?

That might possibly be the worst excuse ever. This is true given any trade. It’s only more true because Indiana couldn’t even get the deal done on time.

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 24, 2011 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Money

Raja Bell was under the mark for this team and so was Aaron Brooks. OJ was too much for next year’s books. I think Kahn had his hands tied on this one. This is the rub. I think he had a set limit. That being said, I think the Randolph/Curry trade made it harder to make deals under the cap going forward.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's the feeling I get...

just from an outsider perspective. Flipping weak assets for a guy like OJ is right up Kahn’s alley—2008 Draft Class aside, it’s got the feel of the Beasley and Randolph trades.

by Andy G on Feb 24, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it was right up Kahn's alley...

…unfortunately he went for Randolph early and that destroyed the team’s ability to continue to freely operate under the cap. He’s the singular guy no matter what.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, then...

let’s hope he looks good tomorrow night!

by Andy G on Feb 24, 2011 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear he might play

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

He should start

at point guard.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Compromise on SG.

As a fanbase, we need to flash back to KG. “Anthony ‘Singularity’ Randolph – he defends all five.”

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually

I wouldn’t be surprised if a motivated AR could be our best defender at that position.

by zebano on Feb 25, 2011 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

It would be a throwback, anyway. They could give away old-style t-shirts.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

What's funny...

is that the roster management is 180 degrees opposite of the triangle offense, and needs for a ballhandling wing. Unless we fire Kurt Rambis, the Rubio addition will add little to nothing to this team. MAYBE (if he even declares) Harrison Barnes could help in this offense. But that is assuming a lot (he declares, he’s actually a good-to-great player, we’re smart enough to draft him, if he is worth it…)

by Andy G on Feb 24, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see us drafting Harrison Barnes

I just played Chad Ford’s NBA lottery and our Wolves ended up with Kris Joseph. From Syracuse. Only problem is he’s on the passive side.

Third time’s the charm! (sigh)

Let's do an internet trade! Your Treasure for our Trash!

by Son of Gerald Green on Feb 24, 2011 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Lucky for you

He should never see an NBA court.
Most over hyped player in history of the program.

by Tangerine dream on Feb 25, 2011 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

That's such a huge weakness of his

It was that way with Flynn, Webster, and now Randolph. He falls in love with certain players and is just too damn out front about it. It’s like his lack of BBIQ infects the team.

Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga.

by SoDakHmr on Feb 24, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I spent an hour trying to come up with a trade scenario that would have gotten us Mayo...

….that involved unloading Curry and didn’t need Taylor’s checkbook. It was pretty much impossible. The Grizz would ultimately have had to give up Tony Allen and Xavier Henry, and I’m positive that wouldn’t have happened

by Oceanary on Feb 24, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

SnP

if they really are listening to us that much that they see a fanpost about questions, I’m switching my vote over to the ‘less complaining’ side for this site. Not because I care that they know fans are upset (they should know that and hopefully could have gleaned that one by themselves). But rather because you’re clearly a better decision maker than anyone actually making decisions, I believe you should be making more posts about what needs to be done (both coaching and GMing). The Monta thing clearly got through somehow. Keep that stuff up. If they really are listening, they’re listening to you the closest.

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 24, 2011 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

They read what's on the site

They don’t make decisions because of what we say. Like S-n-P said, the people making the basketball decisions are in their own world. This place is being read by marketing for fan reaction. The ops side does their own thing regardless, and quite frankly doesn’t see this place as legit enough to have any say in the matter

by Oceanary on Feb 24, 2011 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that is mostly reasonable

I would expect a competent FO would make its decisions based on sound scouting, medical and background info, proprietary advanced stats (such as defensive ones like MIA keeps), etc. Those things are not available to fans/blogs.

However, I would hope a competent front office might occasionally notice broad, recurring themes on blogs and ask themselves questions. For example, just for fun, we compared SnP’s goofy hoopus score to our own draft board (based mostly on eyeball scouting). Who did better? Who did better the year before? How are we doing vs. draftexpress? The answers to those questions should drive behavior change if needed.

Similarly, if a draft/trade/FA signing is broadly panned across blogs for some concrete reasons, and the transaction turns out to be a failure (e.g. Flynn/Darko), I’d hope the FO might ask itself whether it considered those concrete factors strongly enough itself.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Feb 24, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, they're not a competent staff

That’s the core of the issue. It’s not whether they read any of this or even if what we say is worthwhile or not. For the most part, we really are just guys (and a girl) at the bar. Ya, things like the Hoopus Score outperform Kahnbis, but I think that says way more about Kahnbis not knowing what they’re doing that it does about us being a legit source of team operating advice.

It’s about them, and their performance as a a management team. If they’re not getting the job done, the team needs to replace them with a competent staff that will. Not go taking advice from volunteer blog sites, even if those sites are making smart suggestions.

by Oceanary on Feb 24, 2011 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I should clarify

I don’t mean to say the FO is dumb for not doing what we want (well, to an extent they are… We are the market). What they are dumb for is ignoring us completely. For example, if SnP brings up a legit point about how Ellis might be a cheap target that fits well, the FO should consider it and go, “hey… they’re right” or “Not awful, but we disagree and here’s why: jfa;iehraiejfalks;dhieaor.”

We’re by no means the be all and end all of the decision making (hell, we don’t even have half the info), but we’re certainly not a blind source making angry rants for guys we like watching cuz we saw them live once.

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 25, 2011 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I too endorse a more positive site but for different reasons

I want our team to have the best chance to succeed. Droning on negatively feeds a negative mass group think, so now suddenly we have a whole town turning on the team (I’m exaggerating to make a point).

All I can say is that in my athletic career, things affect your performance. Having a crowd thinking you suck can’t possibly do anything but hurt a guy like Flynn or Darko. So I choose to support them. You don’t have to. But these guys aren’t trying to suck. If they bring effort and try, then they have my support. I want to encourage them, pick them up, because I believe it can help.

And for me, it starts on the defensive end. I want to fire them to play defense. If you want to organize something, organize fans to come out and chant “defense, defense, defense” every time the other team has the ball. It will make a difference.

by Rodman99 on Feb 25, 2011 1:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, good luck with getting

that chant started. When I go to Vikings games and they’re kicking or receiving, I try to get the crowd going by chanting “SPECIAL TEAMS! SPECIAL TEAMS!”

But nobody joins in.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 25, 2011 1:10 AM CST up reply actions  

lol No doubt

I once got shushed at a Wolves game for clapping loud trying to fire the team up.
And I was 100% sober.

by Rodman99 on Feb 25, 2011 6:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I think

I sat by you once. . .I just thought you were drunk – lol

Timberwolves - NBA champs 2013!
(used with permission - Wolf in MO)

by frankenhoops on Feb 25, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Right

Who are we to argue with a braintrust that, if they’re lucky, will have 35 wins in two years.

by jianfu on Feb 24, 2011 11:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Another indictment

of the FO.

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 24, 2011 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Also...

…I think Kahn actually believes that this site is like a newspaper. I’m not sure any coach on the team or person in basketball ops actually knows that it is a fan site. I think they believe we should operate like they think the press should: sit relatively quietly and copy things down.

Other folks with the team “get it” in the sense that they repeat the bar analogy and know that it’s a place where people, at the very least, pay attention to an awful product. I’m hoping the group therapy angle catches on, as well.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 25, 2011 6:22 AM CST up reply actions  

A paper

would be able to report on his “private chats” though…

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 25, 2011 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

The really comical thing here..

….is that Kahn actually believes the people in those “private chats” haven’t emailed or talked to other people (including reporters) before. There are no private chats in this day and age. The really, really comical thing here is that particular chat, the one where PDgirl was unbelievably called out (with something along the lines of “we have a blogger here today and I will not be able to talk as transparently as I like.”…seriously, how much of a misunderstanding can he have about the internet following of his team?) is the 1 meeting I didn’t receive an email from someone giving me a detailed run down of what was said.

If the guy is saying things that would get him or the team fined, I think that’s the problematic elephant in the room, not a season ticket holding fan who wanted to have good questions getting flamed by a guy who doesn’t seem to know what he’s doing. I feel really bad about this because it’s so completely ridiculous. I feel bad for PDGirl and the other season ticket holders in that room who had to sit there and feel like they’re getting treated differently because….well, because one of the few remaining fans went to one of the few remaining places that cares about this damn team and asked for ideas for thoughtful questions to ask the guy in charge, which, is, by itself, a pretty good example of showing that someone still cares.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 26, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Kahn is like DeMarcus Cousins

without the upside.

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 26, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Again, that was not explicitly stated.

But that was not a position of need, in his view. And he’s spoken a lot about the glut at that position/need to free up minutes. I know nothing about the Mayo situation.

by PDGirl on Feb 24, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

If our power forward is an All-Star...

and the Franchise Savior is a point guard…

are we just looking to upgrade at the Darko position? I thought he was Manna?

by Andy G on Feb 24, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the "big three" needs have now been stated publicly:

1- long, athletic defensive 4/5
2- shore up PG situation
3- veteran presence

Not sure Mayo and Monta fit any of those

by PDGirl on Feb 24, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions  

No.

Everyone misheard that. He said that Darko was “Moaning from Heaving.”

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

So how many people were there??

and BTW, I mentioned earlier that he doesnt like people posting about his meetings…and to a certain degree I can understand that. He has been VERY candid in some of his early meetings…and got burned by it.

  Although I cant believe he called you out. Thats a bit amature of him.

"But this one goes to eleven..."

by kingsxman on Feb 24, 2011 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand that, and did read your comment

I put up my post so I would have ideas…not to go in with some agenda of being a disrespectful a**hole. Certainly not trying to get him fined by the league.

There were maybe 10-12 season ticket holders and a handful of staffers.

by PDGirl on Feb 24, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the attitude was going to be the same no matter what

We aren’t winning any popularity contests with the team, by any means. You just happened to be easily identifiable, that’s all

by Oceanary on Feb 24, 2011 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it was pretty much my own fault.

The only things I would have said in defense (if it were appropriate/timely) are that (1) CH is not some monolith and (2) if anyone were to represent CH, I would be about 300th from the top of that list.

by PDGirl on Feb 24, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

The fact is...

They really should be happy that they have fans that care this much at this point.
We probably shouldnt.

"But this one goes to eleven..."

by kingsxman on Feb 24, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Is your screen name

a reference to Dug Pinnick and company? If so, kudos.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes it is....

Favorite band…. probably next to classic Kiss. (Hence my avatar)

"But this one goes to eleven..."

by kingsxman on Feb 24, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

You win.

I grew up on classic Kiss, and King’s X has been one of my favorite bands since Out of the Silent Planet.

“Pleiades” is one of the best songs ever.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm a Dogman guy...

Plus Ear Candy. I love me a good pop song to go with my rock.
:-)

"But this one goes to eleven..."

by kingsxman on Feb 25, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Was his ire at CH in general

or your openness about the Q&A session, or the particular questions, or ?

Most blogs I’ve read across the league trend toward the negative, with posters than span the spectrum. Considering the near constantly futility of being a Wolves fan, I’d think they’d understand if this one trends more negative than, say, a Lakers blog.

Just get one draft pick right, and make one savvy trade for a meaningful player that is not a “HEAT are in a bind and giving a guy away” situation. Then win at least 5-10 games more than the previous year. Those things would generate a lot of positivity around here.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Feb 24, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

All I can say

is that if he performed this poorly in just about any other job, he wouldn’t still have a job, let alone one that paid this well. So he can learn to deal with that. I’ll gladly trade with him if it’s too much.

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 24, 2011 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

He's very smart

He just doesn’t know basketball. That’s what it really boils down to

by Oceanary on Feb 24, 2011 11:34 PM CST up reply actions  

While I hate this, I'll post it here:

This.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 25, 2011 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Kahn trolled his own fanbase. That’s low.

by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 25, 2011 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Bahahaha

awesome

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 25, 2011 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Fair in a lot of ways

Mostly in that Kahn can’t win no matter what he says, so he shouldn’t say anything (which he would get crap for). Do realize is that he is getting paid to say something. So what could he say that wouldn’t infuriate? A no win situation.

Another thing to realize is that in 15 years Mchale was saved by drafting KG. Dumb luck (the only reasonable explanation considering his track record). Kahn was here a week and the derision began, and has never stopped. So no it wasn’t warrented at the time. People were pissed at GT & KM and took it out on him.

by Rodman99 on Feb 25, 2011 7:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Good

comment.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 25, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Your impression about DK's treatment is muddled.

After that initial press conference, people (myself included) who were out on the ledge were pretty favorably impressed on the whole. The fact that the negative glimmers started after he was here “a week” had to do with the fact that he was hired roughly 4 minutes before that draft, and he did make that Flynn choice.

Even that summer, people could watch Jonny doing well in summer ball and talk about Rubio. Not scorchingly negative.

Still, until the second draft around I myself continued to hold out hope for a dramatic, runs-the-draft performance like Pritchard’s the year he selected Aldridge and Brandon Roy. It was the draft last year that really stung.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Wasn't making Rubio the example

That was just completely hypothetical. There is no verdict on Rubio. I was just stating hypothetical reasons why making promises can backfire.

by Tangerine dream on Feb 25, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Your're right that he is paid to take the heat...

…but i don’t think he has completely sucked at this job.

Maybe his worst mistake hasn’t been the draft picks…maybe it’s been his choice for head coach.

The team is more talented and is still losing a ton.

by Django Z on Feb 25, 2011 7:19 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Fined BY THE LEAGUE??

Oh please, tell me the supposed reason for “calling you out” was to prevent his being fined. I’m pretty sure that happened, Mr. Kahn, because you were cocky on a radio program, where you knew it was being broadcast.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh god

Wings = set

My hope…..Is dead.

by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 24, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Small fish there

but also the future big fish of season ticket holders (no offense to those older folks, it’s true though).

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 24, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

And you call yourself a fan...

Everything in the computer need my face on it. Mega Gigabytes, son!

by TimAllen on Feb 24, 2011 11:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd just like to catch a free t-shirt.

I’ve caught one free t-shirt in my life. On ‘fan appreciate night’, I caught a shirt that Shelden Williams threw into the crowd. It was signed. I framed it.

Yes, I have a framed Shelden Williams autographed Timberwolves’ t-shirt. That may be the saddest sentence I’ve ever typed.

Everything in the computer need my face on it. Mega Gigabytes, son!

by TimAllen on Feb 24, 2011 11:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Shelden Williams

played for the Wolves? Why dont I remember that?

by bheidge on Feb 24, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

We traded Rashad McCants and Calvin Booth

for Williams and Bobby Brown.

Everything in the computer need my face on it. Mega Gigabytes, son!

by TimAllen on Feb 24, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

That was

their prerogative.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Every little step we take

Has led to more fail.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Feb 25, 2011 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha!

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 25, 2011 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I remember Bobby Brown

but not Sheldon “the forehead” Williams. Congrats on your T-shirt though. I snatched one this year, outjumped some 17 year old douchebag Blazers fan for one. not signed though

by bheidge on Feb 24, 2011 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Before the end of the season

I need to get Martell to sign the misnumbered jersey I bought of his.

Everything in the computer need my face on it. Mega Gigabytes, son!

by TimAllen on Feb 24, 2011 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

At this point

you can probably just walk right on the court during warmups, doubt anyone cares anymore.

by bheidge on Feb 24, 2011 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

For years

I had a picture on my wall—an autographed photo of Doug Williams—when he was QB for the Buccaneers.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Did he sign it

“Mr. Candace Parker”?

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 24, 2011 11:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Sadly, no.

Everything in the computer need my face on it. Mega Gigabytes, son!

by TimAllen on Feb 24, 2011 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I paid for

yes, paid for, a signed Craig Smith jersey. I’m still extremely happy with the purchase. I loved Craig Smith. Also, the jersey is black, so there’s that.

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 25, 2011 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Love the Rhino.

But I love quirky players.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 25, 2011 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Never. But I tend to ignore that guy

since I figure he’s mostly for the kids.

Everything in the computer need my face on it. Mega Gigabytes, son!

by TimAllen on Feb 25, 2011 7:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I tend to think that

about the tshirts…

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 25, 2011 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Adults don't wear t-shirts?

Everything in the computer need my face on it. Mega Gigabytes, son!

by TimAllen on Feb 26, 2011 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Adults don't have fun?

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 26, 2011 1:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I have.

I won a microwave a couple years ago. First person to make won a microwave.

by rickyrubio10 on Feb 25, 2011 9:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

If you catch another one, look around for the little kid.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

And when you find one

wave the t-shirt in his face and yell, “Guess you need to be a little taller, SUCKA!”

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 25, 2011 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

(The little iPad keyboard accessory is sweet, I use that lots now.)

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

They're defensive. It's human.

Dang, I do wish we could have used a chance like that to get through.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely they are watching this site

which is why I am far more careful in how often I post and exactly what I say. It is a different environment right now. Rather than listening and taking corrective steps, they are listen and looking for scape goats. Very disturbing…

by Just A Fan on Feb 25, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

The beatings will continue until morale improves!

Fans whine all the time in general. It is amusing to go to a Lakers or Spurs message board after two straight losses and read the posts calling for a new coach and/or GM. I am not guiltless here either.

But improving the outlook of Wolves fans is not going to be accomplished by firing loose lips, putting out better marketing campaigns, or tweeting more often. It has been too many years since the team has been competitive. The FO, coaches, and players need to deliver wins, or noticable improvement in level of play, or something. Rooting for laundry has its limits.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Feb 25, 2011 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

This seems as good a place as any

Not in reply to Mr Coyote but as a general statement. I would like the front office to tell us what they have in mind for these players. The fans need to see some wins, not moral victories (excluding TA’s articles). You want to make money, you still have to spend it – WISELY. Is this season a success if the wolves win another 15 games? I figure they can only win another 9.

I am very optimistic about my favorite teams, but I can tell you that I am growing weary of reading and hearing about all the things that are going to make the Wolves better then not seeing it on the court.

Timberwolves - NBA champs 2013!
(used with permission - Wolf in MO)

by frankenhoops on Feb 25, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Give us non-Wolves activities to do alongside the games.

I envision an upper-deck section at Target Center with fifteen Canis Hoopus readers (all of whom received free tickets for buying two fruit juices at Cub) furiously knitting throughout the game. Bonus: The free games one can choose from on those forms include the Sacramento contest coming up.

We could bring Nerf footballs, and just throw them back and forth throughout the game. (They can’t object to that, can they? Given the Best Buy guy with his net?)

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I married an Okie...

…and I have a closet of OU gear and the whole Griffin thing would be very easy to start rooting for. That and my brother in law is a ball coach from Edumund and I’ve watched the kid since he was in jr high. Joel Pryzbilla and Blake Griffin are the two pro players I think i’ve seen the most of. John Thomas too. All of those guys I saw in Jr. High.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps a sea of Thunder jerseys

with LOVE on the back would send a message.

by dropstep on Feb 24, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't support the Thunder in any way.

Not after the way that franchise shat on Seattle.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Word.

(But I do like Durant.)

by Grover M on Feb 24, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Me too.

Makes it tougher.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

That's fine

I chose the team since I was responding to SnP, and because it seemed like the perfect sore spot for Love to end up once he bolts. Not to a major media market, but to that team that is our doppleganger, only with a teeny weeny headstart.

Plus, the ASG reminded me (after last years rookie/soph game) how much I’d enjoy watching Love and Westbrook reunited. In losing Brewer, we lost the one guy who would actually release on a shot and make himself available for the breakaway outlet passes. Now we’re treated to Flynn always coming back for the pass as Love grabs a board, so he can walk it over the line and jack up a shot. Westbrook and Love had the connection down (their “gumbo” play) to actually put a pressure on the D.

I’d care more about the team’s history if so many of the teams I’ve rooted for hadn’t at some point in their past tore a city’s heart out.

by dropstep on Feb 24, 2011 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

It was particularly galling to me

because I was a life-long Minnesota sports fan living in the OKC area when that went down. I’d been hearing threats from the Twins and the Vikings for twenty years already. I’d seen the North Stars leave town. Every time a team holds a city hostage it gets my ire up. That Clay Fucking Bennett and his douchebag partners did what they did in the shamelessly two-faced way in which they did it directs my anger right at the owners, and since they’re the ones who will benefit most from any support of the Thunder, I won’t even watch them on TV.

Whew. Rant over.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Kahn's plan reminds me of a Homer Simpson quote

“The only antidote to a zany scheme is an even zanier scheme!”

"Loading up the pump, the uzi, a couple M-16's, a couple 9's, a couple joints with some silencers on them, a couple grenades, and a missile launcher with a couple missiles since 2003"

by rkbrew on Feb 24, 2011 9:07 PM CST reply actions  

I'll wait til after draft day. No hurry. This season's moves are done.

I’ll tune back in then, see who we get – or wait til CBA.

"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction."
Will Rogers

by WillistonCoyote on Feb 24, 2011 9:08 PM CST reply actions  

Damn,

That is a great idea

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Feb 24, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga.

by SoDakHmr on Feb 24, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I will cheap in money

That would be hilarious and the NBA as a whole would flip out.

by BDavige on Feb 24, 2011 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

At the very least, it would have the potential of getting widespread local (or maybe national) play. I’m not joking about this, either. We could set up a PayPal site for people to make donations for our own media campaign of sorts.

by BVP on Feb 24, 2011 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Simmons, PTI, Jim Rome...

A campaign like this would get plenty of attention. Methinks it would raise the heat in the FO kitchen.

Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga.

by SoDakHmr on Feb 24, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

"Cheap" in money???

lol. I know what you meant, but it strikes me as something that Papa Glen would take to heart!

Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga.

by SoDakHmr on Feb 24, 2011 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I know I was reading

the thread about Taylor so “cheap” was definitely on my mind. I will contribute to paypal if someone finds out how much it costs. It would just be so funny and appropriate. “Your own fanbase is telling you they can do better!”

by BDavige on Feb 24, 2011 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

As frustrated as I am, one has to consider the consequences

of an action like that.

What kind of message does it send to the players? “You are not wanted or appreciated here”.

What kind of message does it send to Glen (at a high level)? “We bitch and complain but don’t come to games == no fan support”

While it would be a big story on twitter and ESPN, and would put some pressure on the team, I’m not sure the long term outcome would be helpful.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Feb 24, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I have no issues with the players on this team. With the right coach and atmosphere, I have no doubt we could be way more successful than we are now. If anything, the players would love that the fans a sticking up for them.

by BVP on Feb 24, 2011 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Fans *are sticking up for them. Damn iPad.

by BVP on Feb 24, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's not about player bashing

It’s management bashing. It’s more like, “You guys are clueless and we’re not going to support a team until you stop being clueless.” I don’t think the letter needs to be long to have the desired effect.

by BDavige on Feb 24, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree.

Said letter can will point out that we have a Coach and a GM who are incapable of putting players in a position to succeed.

Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga.

by SoDakHmr on Feb 24, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Stop Talking

I know in the beginning it was really cool the Kahn was open and talked to us. Now I really wish he wouldn’t say another word for a year or two. It would be easier to take the pain of us sucking if he kept his mouth shut. Talking to the media doesn’t do a damn thing. From now on only the players should be allowed to talk. They are the only ones we care about.

by Far East on Feb 24, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem isn't that he talks to us

It’s actually a pretty essential skill for a GM/POBO to be able to talk to the media

The problem is he doesn’t back up what he says. He writes checks with his mouth he can’t cash. If he would say “I know you’re all frustrated and here’s what I’m going to do to turn this around” and then actually go out and turn the team around, it’d be fine. It’s the empty promises that are the problem

by Oceanary on Feb 24, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

The "singular move" talk...

is especially funny, as Melo and Deron get flipped for less than the Wolves could offer.

by Andy G on Feb 24, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

We could have sent them Flynn and Darko

Did Jersey send them two “All Stars”??? :)

Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga.

by SoDakHmr on Feb 24, 2011 10:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd even throw in

Wes Johnson’s smile. That’s all-star, right?

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Beasley, Rubio, and a 1st Rounder...

or Favors, Harris, and Nets Pick?

I think we may trump theirs. Put Love in for Beasley, and I know it gets done. Plus, then chuckd gets to watch Beasley play the 4.

by Andy G on Feb 24, 2011 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

It's clearly a matter of opinion.

But I think Harris/Favors/2 first-rounders trumps Beasley/Rubio/first.

Love/Rubio/first is closer, but again I’m not sure that trumps the Nets deal.

by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 24, 2011 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess it depends...

on what you think of Favors. Because, for a rebuilding team, I’m pretty sure that Rubio is much, much more attractive than Harris.

by Andy G on Feb 24, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha

The Jazz would have Big Al and Klove… We all know that works spectacularly

"Brian Cardinal left Purdue being the only Boilermaker to receive both the "Mr. Hustle" Award and the "Courage" Award four years in a row"

by B.C. 4 MVP on Feb 24, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Ad

I’m in. Someone set it up and we will do the ad. We need to make a point to not attack the players though. Maybe explicitly say that we support the players and both they and we deserve a better FO.
Kind of like people that protest the war but make a point of not attacking the actual troops who are just doing their job.

by wolver on Feb 24, 2011 11:38 PM CST up reply actions  

It could even just be a selection of CH posts

like what SnP did above.

In fact, if we print EXACTLY what SnP did above, that’s effective.

...I've been drinking...

by losDelFuego on Feb 25, 2011 1:00 AM CST up reply actions  

The idea is a good one...

…the wording is tricky.

What do we really want to say and to who?

Are we just saying to Taylor: Fire Kahn and Rambis?

by Django Z on Feb 25, 2011 7:22 AM CST up reply actions  

+1000 This is a great point

How can we criticize the FO without the implication that the players suck? It’s direct hit to the players.

Which in turn would make MN an even less desireable place to play, and less likely to attract FAs here.

Our part as fans is to make the Target Center a great place to play. We have a right to boycott but I doubt it will help. Just support the kids, they are here, and they need all thed help they can get.

by Rodman99 on Feb 25, 2011 7:22 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

There are going to be some editing tussles.

For one, I don’t think we use this to go after individuals. Not Kahn, either. It’s more than possible to say “We need to evaluate talent from all sorts of perspectives” without ranting on David Kahn, who is not the devil.

We don’t use it by name to angrily go on about specific draft picks, either. We describe those problems in terms of the way the approach of the organization as a whole works.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I know the people at Drays Bay pulled this off

But it was more of a going away message for carl crawford

"Brian Cardinal left Purdue being the only Boilermaker to receive both the "Mr. Hustle" Award and the "Courage" Award four years in a row"

by B.C. 4 MVP on Feb 24, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, what I’m envisioning is something more along the lines that BDavige was suggesting. The tone would essentially be along the lines of “we love this team, and we are tired of watching talent and opportunities be squandered.”

by BVP on Feb 24, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Right,

I was just mentioning that it is doable since another SB nation site did it. I would pitch in for this by the way, I like the idea

"Brian Cardinal left Purdue being the only Boilermaker to receive both the "Mr. Hustle" Award and the "Courage" Award four years in a row"

by B.C. 4 MVP on Feb 24, 2011 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Is this possible?

I would gladly help out if this were possible — would the Strib be okay with fans openly bashing the franchise and the consequences that would have?

"Some people just want to watch the world burn"

by TwolfTom on Feb 24, 2011 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

If we purchased the ad...

as long as we stay within the rules of taste and decorum, I don’t think they would object. It’s an ad – doesn’t reflect the opinion of the paper or it’s employees.

Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga.

by SoDakHmr on Feb 24, 2011 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

That's true

I just hope the desired impact would be reached — do we know for a fact that:
1. Khan, Rambis and Taylor can in fact read and
2. That they will read the paper

"Some people just want to watch the world burn"

by TwolfTom on Feb 24, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahhhh, good point

Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga.

by SoDakHmr on Feb 24, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Eeesh

You’d have to be very careful with that. I don’t think you could say much besides, “Stop lieing to us.”

Outside of that you’re going to be bashing too many people. It’s a fun idea, but it’d be way too easy for it to go awry.

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 24, 2011 11:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Where do we donate plasma for that idea?

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Let's skip a step

and write it in blood.

Then they’ll know we’re serious, and perfectly sane and rational.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 25, 2011 9:15 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

that me LOL

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Feb 25, 2011 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Smear it in Cheetoh's cheese powder.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

First step toward this would be to get a front-page thread going for it.

Use the comments thread to edit toward a basic outline of points to make.

By then the marketing people would be listening anyway, with no costs at all other than the time put in. At that point we work out how to take out the ad, and some smaller group works on draft text…

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I like this

People can add ideas or wording and if people like it then someone sets up the paypal and the money talks. I agree it’s a difficult balance, but I think if there was a way to somehow make it funny. Maybe we can start our own Blueprint and throw everything they’ve thrown at us these last few years back at them. Use their own marketing-speak against them.

by BDavige on Feb 25, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

"Whatever" is right...

Without a legit basketball ops structure, we’re cheering for luck.

And what could Mayo or Brooks have even done? They just would have delayed inevitable.

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Feb 24, 2011 9:11 PM CST reply actions  

that is exactly right

they simply don’t have a legit basketball ops structure.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Well hopefully Glen Taylor learned his lesson...

He skimped on structure (I.e. Dennis Lindsay) and has lost millions because of it.

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Feb 24, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow. I thought the Celts/Thunder was just Green/Perkins, but they also swapped

Robinson/Krstic.

We gave up Koufos for a second rounder, we get Randolph and Ramkahn says that he’s going to be limited use because his slot is already stuffed, Figure

"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction."
Will Rogers

by WillistonCoyote on Feb 24, 2011 9:14 PM CST reply actions  

Can't count that against them

AR needs an off season to work, he really isn’t ready for game time right now. That was the MO when they get him.

by TO12 on Feb 24, 2011 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Hm

Why wasn’t this disdain expressed so blatantly before now? Were people waiting for then the Wolves to land a superstar, and the pain of not has just caused it to all boil over?

I know I wasn’t expecting anything to happen this deadline. Why did anyone have reason to think so?

by TO12 on Feb 24, 2011 9:14 PM CST reply actions  

Uhh . . .

BECAUSE THE WOLVES ORGANIZATION TOLD US TO EXPECT SOMETHING!

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 24, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

your caps lock got stuck.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Um...I've been expressing disdain for years

As have many others.

I say SHONDA you say WOLVES" SHONDA! WOLVES!

by Eric in Madison on Feb 24, 2011 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

I agree there was an overreaction to nothing happening.

But there are really no two ways to go about it, the fans were lied to blatantly about the cap space, a singular move, and the 5 Windows of Opportunity.

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 24, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Hasn't your MO on this site been to object to the blatant disdain for some time now?

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Canis Hoopus Golden Age

This blog might be so good because the Wolves are so bad. I would equate to how the Bush administration really inspired some good rock music and comedy.

If the Wolves were blowing through teams, there would be talk of playoff chances, matchups, how awesome we are, etc., etc., Instead we have discussions about the merits of our shooting guards vs. the 95-96 nets, the questionable relevance of point differential, thoughts on collective bargaining and intelligent design and so on. I found out that Mike Miller is so hot for Lebron that he dubbed his kid “Maverick” for Lebron’s real best friend.

by Vlade on Feb 24, 2011 9:18 PM CST reply actions  

Funny

Although I wouldn’t count a lot of the political rock much to be very good. I feel most of it was too forced.

However, I enjoy your take.

by TO12 on Feb 24, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh

Bush jokes got tired… cheap partisan comedy.

by Wu on Feb 24, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought the Bush material got old

not because it was cheap or partisan, but because it became increasingly obvious that the reality was more grimly absurd than the humor. The jokes are supposed to exaggerate the subject’s foibles, but it was impossible to exaggerate Bush.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Ehhhhhhhh

Cynical Jason, you have earned your name. You are certainly out there

by TO12 on Feb 24, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been described

in less accurate ways.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep: It was a parody of pro wrestling.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Rather like Kahn
The jokes are supposed to exaggerate the subject’s foibles, but it was impossible to exaggerate . . .

Timberwolves - NBA champs 2013!
(used with permission - Wolf in MO)

by frankenhoops on Feb 25, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Barney

is my Dog.

"Wes [Johnson] is old, passive, and below-average in every aspect of his game except outside shooting and smiling" - PoorDick

by GWST11 on Feb 25, 2011 2:29 AM CST up reply actions  

It's almost Friday. We need a feel good fact

The door is open. The Northwest Division is imploding. Get at least one star and take advantage.

"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction."
Will Rogers

by WillistonCoyote on Feb 24, 2011 9:19 PM CST reply actions  

One feel good fact

We’ve probably seen the last time that J. Flynn gets any real playing time. I wouldn’t be surprised if they just send the guy home at this point and try to trade him for a second round pick in the off season. Most likely it won’t be Kahn who gets to make that trade.

by Vlade on Feb 24, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Then.......he has an epiphany and becomes a superstar overnight for yhe NJN

and C.H. says “Kaaaaahhhhhhnnnnn” !!!

"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction."
Will Rogers

by WillistonCoyote on Feb 24, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

THANK YOU!!!

I’m wracking my aging brain over here trying to come up with something for tomorrow.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 24, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Snp you know I am committed and I love my wolves but this Offseason needs to be it. We need hope and we have none. Without hope you die. There is too much pressure on rubio and there are no vet to help him learn the way.

by revprodeji on Feb 24, 2011 9:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

The Rubio Bubble is huge

You know it, I know it. I agree with you that this is their absolute last shot at credibility and I think they have overused hope (gee, where have we heard that before?) but I’m still….well, I don’t know what to say at this point.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish I had more faith that Rubio is actually going to show up here. Kahn has tossed out alot of B.S. during his time here and so his assurance that he plays here is weak at best

by Heggiebaby on Feb 24, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Lets get a beer sometime to chase this season down.

by revprodeji on Feb 24, 2011 9:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Definitely

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Can we do some kind of

Canis Hoopus End of the Season Commiseration Meet-Up? Maybe someplace decent for a few drinks and appetizers.

And then when we get enough liquid courage down our gullets, we march over to Target Center with torches blazing, flipping cars and knocking down old people along the way.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 24, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah!!

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Feb 24, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

We won't have a Hoopus Day like we did last year...

….but we will have the annual Mark Madsen 3 Point Memorial and Remonstrance get-together on the last game of the year like we always do. Details to follow in the coming weeks.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

hopefully this suffering is necessary to purge the Madsen episode...

this organization was weak and is weak.

I haven't written an insightful post in years.

by littleboxes on Feb 24, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Also!

Lynx game meet-up, too, please. Since they have no looming lockout, and likely one of the best players in women’s college BB on the way . . .

Hey! We should start, like, a blog or Geocities page to follow and discuss them!

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 24, 2011 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

One of my potential strategies..

….for making this a less negative site is to change it over to a Lynx site. The other option is to make it the Official Swarm Blog of SB Nation.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 25, 2011 6:33 AM CST up reply actions  

There's always

the “taking a lot of drugs” option.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 25, 2011 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

You know...

…I received a petty misdemeanor traffic citation earlier this month (long story short: don’t try and renew your auto tags on-line) and I went to court to defend my honor. Outside of gaining a new level of respect for the government lawyers and law enforcement employees who keep the system running despite dwindling funds and rapidly increasing caseloads (not to mention having to deal with a never-ending parade of walking excuse-making problem machines), the one thing that really, really, really struck me was that the vast majority of people there were either hooked on drugs or alcohol.

My 12 year old daughter also just informed me that the first drinking party took place at one of her classmate’s homes and that she knows of at least 2-3 kids who steal from their parent’s medicine cabinet (xanax, in case anyone is wondering).

I’ve spent the last 2 days wondering looking at people wondering if they’re on drugs or not, as everybody seems to be medicated in one way or another.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 25, 2011 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, aren't we all

on either the Red pill or Blue pill?

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 25, 2011 8:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm taking both.

Just in case.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 25, 2011 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm only medicated in the evenings

ideally, by a subtle yet significant beer, or perhaps a singular cocktail.

...I've been drinking...

by losDelFuego on Feb 25, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Growing up on a non-descript suburban street

I was surrounded by kids getting stoned regularly by 5th grade. And that was a long time ago. I doubt there is any buffer period for kids these days.

by dropstep on Feb 25, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

There's not

We have an alcoholic that lives down the street from us and I know her kids are already drinking. We’re a society of addicts.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 25, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree on the "need vets" idea...

What this team needs are demonstrated producers.

Derrick Williams!!!

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Feb 24, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Another Forward? We need a good 2, like Monta Ellis.

"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction."
Will Rogers

by WillistonCoyote on Feb 24, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

We're terrible and we have needs everywhere

BPA, even if it means we draft Williams or Sullinger

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Feb 24, 2011 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I've gotten to see Williams in person multiple times

He’s a tweener SF/PF in the NBA, but has the tenacity that many of the current players lack. He also has a genuinely polished outside shot. He also knows how to drive to the basket and get to the line, unlike a few of our current SF/PFs.

Plus, he doesn’t smile much, which is what the Wolves have targeted in the past…he scowls after huge plays and salutes the crowd.

He’s shot better with 8 fingers in the last 8 games than Wes Johnson has with fully functioning hands.

by wolves21ok on Feb 24, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Sullinger is less athletic than Love

and is predisposed to weightlyness.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 24, 2011 11:48 PM CST up reply actions  

take a look at the draft board

there are no SGs worth taking in the top ten. The draft is absolutely devoid of positional need for the Wolves this year, forcing them to finally just take the BPA.

by wolves21ok on Feb 24, 2011 10:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahaha...BPA.

We don’t do that sort of thing here.

by Grover M on Feb 24, 2011 10:32 PM CST up reply actions  

barnes

Is a corey brewer/wes johnson type player (in regards to position, not caliber). He wouldn’t be a true SG like the Wolves need, and would be better fit at SF.

by wolves21ok on Feb 24, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Unless they try to move down

This draft is going to be so weak it might even be worth tyring to get out completely and get something for the year after.

by hoopsfan1 on Feb 24, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Let’s just give the Clips our draft pick this year!

Timberwolves - NBA champs 2013!
(used with permission - Wolf in MO)

by frankenhoops on Feb 25, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Technically wouldn’t a proven demonstrated producer at the pro level be a vet?

by revprodeji on Feb 24, 2011 9:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm equal opportunity in terms of production

I’m just against the idea of acquiring the Raja Bell types

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Feb 24, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

The vet would need to be productive. Bell need not apply.

by revprodeji on Feb 24, 2011 9:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

As much as Rubio is saying he's happy he won't be in a pressure environment here

I’m beginning to think the situation will be the exact opposite. Rubio needs to be basketbal jesus for any of this to work.

by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 24, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

And Rose with a dagger.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Great to see Bosh suck...

1/18 I think

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Feb 24, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm a little ashamed to say it,

but when LeBron went to the floor hard and rolled grimacing into the scorer’s table I had a moment of “This could derail the Heat! Awesome.”

And then, somehow, I became human again. I don’t wish harm on anyone.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

but they are featured in excellent comics

that mention basketball

dinosaur comics

I haven't written an insightful post in years.

by littleboxes on Feb 24, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

heh

the art reminds me of cyanide and happiness

by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 24, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

God I fell so far behind in that.

Kept up until the hiatus and never got back into it. Talk about walls of text!

by Edward Long on Feb 25, 2011 12:31 AM CST up reply actions  

It's not as regular as it was

and it isn’t as impactful from episode to episode. But it’s pretty good, anyway.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 25, 2011 1:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Why spend so much energy if this is all so upsetting?

I don’t know about you, but I haven’t heard any sales pitches, I just watch the games and enjoy a low quality basketball product for what it is.

I know what I’m getting, I root for are players with ‘potential,’ I watch us lose.

Not the best way things could go, but there is joy to be had in that. Why complain and write so many negative and angry posts if that is how you see it?

Doesn’t add up, it’s like someone here is trying to start a cult.

by TO12 on Feb 24, 2011 9:27 PM CST reply actions  

Because we have a site to run?

If we’re not writing, there’s no content. If there’s no content, there’s no site

by Oceanary on Feb 24, 2011 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know how you find joy in continued failure

But as a sports consumer, I hope that favorite teams actually try to get better and use past results as indications of what may not work in the future. Call me a cultist, but this doesn’t seem unreasonable.

by Ebomb on Feb 24, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think I ever said that

I want our team to get better, I root for it, it makes me mad when they lose and constantly fail…

but, the point I am trying to convey, is why spent so much time and energy just pointing out the obvious failures time and time again.

It’s just that this current uproar seems so misplaced. Did you expect something to happen at the trade deadline? Didn’t you notice that our team was not going to be very good after the first 20 games? It’s like people are being blindsided by our team and management.

by TO12 on Feb 25, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

But here I am

Doing what I just complained about. Complaining about everyone else complaining.

To each his own. I am just surprised that this is the event that shook the earth.

by TO12 on Feb 25, 2011 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

And another golden quote:
It’s like people are being blindsided by our team and management.

You do mean these things to sound positive, right? On some level? Deep down?

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I have two take on this

One, I don’t really mean it to sound positive, no. Just saying the reactions here have been odd.

Two, your sarcastic, grating, ‘smarter than you’ response is the general attitude that I am questioning here. It really trickles down from the top.

by TO12 on Feb 25, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow, you really think *that* is over the top sarcasm and snarkiness?

Let me quote you back at yourself some more:

If I am into a team, I think I’ll just go ahead and root for them, and not try to dig up stats proving they’ll never make it.
Call it blind, call it whatever, it’s what I prefer sports to be.
Doesn’t add up, it’s like someone here is trying to start a cult.
Maybe I just enjoy enjoying sports more than being a pessimistic woe-is-everything-we-do Wolves fan.
Does it ever get tiring complaining so much?

You regularly post stuff exactly like what you just did. It’s nothing but a slap in the face, spelled out in so many words. To multiple other posters.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I think we just need good players. All this "fire everybody' avoids the obvious.

We have a team that shoots 38% with open looks. We need quality on the floor and we have none.
Most the guys we start are used to playing 5 minutes with their old teams and are expected to start here, logging 30 minutes. Our one quality player was posted up all night by the Grizzlies, and it wasn’t just Zach Randolph doing it.

"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction."
Will Rogers

by WillistonCoyote on Feb 24, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I know, it's weird
Doesn’t add up, it’s like someone here is trying to start a cult.

It’s like some people here are in a different universe, almost a dream like world where they expect the wolves not to be the laughingstock of the league. I’m with you TO12, are they real? Do they really exist?

It’s like “Inception” but on a much, much, much lower level

Let's do an internet trade! Your Treasure for our Trash!

by Son of Gerald Green on Feb 24, 2011 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

What what what is the message they're trying to hint at through my subconscious mind??

It’s something to do with pack behavior – the “Wolves,” after all.

I may need to go to Target Center and throw myself backward from one of the folding chairs, here.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Again,

the idea that there is a “cult” forming here is almost as laughable as the notion of the Anti Wes Johnson Terrorists (aka the “Tangerine Nightmare”).

A group of like-minded friends? Sure. A “family” whose members have each other’s backs at all times? Probably. But a “cult” is pretty strong language.

Perhaps some educational pamphlets would help you understand the true mission and purpose of the group. On the back there is an explanation of all the benefits the members receive, and actual anonymous quotes from members who have agreed to testify to their happiness, in exchange for a day-pass to leave campus for an escorted field trip. If you’ll provide a mailing address and valid Facebook account (with login information), we’ll make sure the pamphlets AND a free tote bag! are dropped off at your house sometime before sunrise tomorrow.

VIVA LOS LOBOS!

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 24, 2011 11:45 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Haha

I guess you sure took that literally.

I’m just trying to convey how I think it is a waste of energy to get so jazzed up about the cycle of filth we have endured. What has led anyone to think anything is going to change over the last 5ish years.

I share many of the same views as you guys when it really gets down to it, but at the same time I prefer to keep my relationship with the Wolves on a more superficial level. I watch them, I enjoy what they have to offer (which is interesting basketball, in an odd way), and then I hope our players will get better and we will win.

It is clear we suck, but I just don’t understand this site’s fascination of crying out in despair after every bad loss or every mis-step. Haven’t you come to accept that it is going to happen?

It’s like trying to put a square peg in a round hole. That’s why I said the cult comment. Just to try put the idea out there that I don’t see why soooo many people are actively being so mad that nothing happened on the trade deadline. This site has slowly transitioned into a place where only negatives are focused on, and I was just wondering out loud why so many people would be doing so. It’s just…. I mean what did you expect from the Wolves?

by TO12 on Feb 25, 2011 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Now *that* post tells us more than any criticism ever could.

Seriously:

I just watch the games and enjoy a low quality basketball product for what it is.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Lol

I suppose. I just mean at this point I know what to expect. You can’t be shocked at the ticketing campaigns anymore. You know what you are going to get in terms of this team. I just assumed everyone on this site realized that and was on board.

by TO12 on Feb 25, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Eventually it will get old for you.

You sound like me back in the early 90’s with this team.

by Punisher#8 on Feb 25, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I've moved into the

dry heaves part of the season,

looking forward to the laying on the tile next to the toilet part of the season,

which then leads to the final 10 games where i’ve passed out finally….

Wake me at the Draft.

Loisaidabasketballclub.blogspot.com
Twitter: @loisaidabbclub

by beatsandpeasnyc on Feb 24, 2011 9:30 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

You don't want to have a hangover going into the draft

Unless you’re going to cure it hair of the dog style, because the draft will make you want to kill your liver.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Feb 25, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Kevin Love's comments were telling

When interviewed today, he said he wished the Wolves could have gotten some of the players like Wallace, Perkins, and Battier. When he was asked about Randolph, he was kind of guarded and mentioned something about “seeing how the minutes work out”.

KLove has weaknesses like anyone else, but he is neither stupid nor oblivious the what happens around the league. He wants to see the Wolves bring in some more veteran, above average players, that play positions not named “PF”. Because that might lead to winning And I don’t blame him.

One possible outcome of this mess is I could see Love going over Kahn’s head to Taylor and saying the following: “Get a better coach than Rambis, and trade some picks for some vets that know how to play. Or you can take your contract extension and stuff it”.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Feb 24, 2011 9:31 PM CST reply actions  

I think it will happen next year

The guy is legit and he isn’t going to sit through any more gimmick rebuilds….if it hasn’t happened already.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 24, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be great and we would love him for it.

by revprodeji on Feb 24, 2011 9:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Until Taylor trades

him to the Lakers for Luke Walton’s expiring contract.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 24, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I think I've hit 'I feel bad for him' mode right now

Similar to when our FO was completely dumb and effed Garnett over. Get this kid out of town as fast as possible. He doesn’t deserve this crap.

by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 24, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh no! If they lose Love, they might not make the playoffs!!

by Klobs on Feb 25, 2011 1:30 AM CST up reply actions  

If they don't make the playoffs

I am done with this team.

I’ve said that every year.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 25, 2011 1:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I really don't blame Taylor on this one

I probably wouldn’t have taken on any big salaries/long contracts either, but not for the reason above (Kahn’s incompetence). This CBA is going to be a royal mess and there will be a long lockout. Would you want to stock up on players and then have them age a year or more without playing?
I don’t think that the owners are united around anything except paying the players less. There will probably be an uproar among the small market teams to clamp down on player movement. The move by the Jazz showed that something has to change. It is amazing that they would just give up on Williams because he might leave in a couple of years.
Might be a franchise tag or a push towards a hard cap. Of course Jerry Buss and the big market guys will fight to keep many things the same. I am guessing that it will take the owners a few months just to figure out their unified voice so that they can bring it to the table. Then they will work to starve the players in to submission.
Expect a mess this long off-season and there is no shame for Taylor sitting this one out.

by hoopsfan1 on Feb 24, 2011 9:32 PM CST reply actions  

Original sin is hard to assign,

but Taylor’s hiring process chose Kahn, and plunked him down in the driver’s seat 20 minutes before the draft with instructions about not being mean by firing McHale right away. Plus, this dysfunction dates to before Kahn – and touches on Rob Moor to at least some extent.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Amen
I really don’t blame Taylor on this one

Amen. If we can stick up for multi-millionaires that destroy the teams we grew up with who can we root for?

I bet you’re a fun guy to go to Vegas with, not betting anything, standing at the blackjack tables, rooting for the house to win

Let's do an internet trade! Your Treasure for our Trash!

by Son of Gerald Green on Feb 25, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

If the new CBA is going to make it harder for star players to move...

… then don’t you need to find a star before the new CBA goes into place? Otherwise, you’re stuck hoping for the ping-pong balls to come out right.

by SeanTO on Feb 25, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Only hope right now is that Randolph recaptured the promise he had on gs and that Johnson becomes a legit starting sg.

Our future honestly depends on it. We need something to cheer for.

by revprodeji on Feb 24, 2011 9:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

way i see it

kahn is just part of the continuing ritual punishment by the league for taylor daring to sign KG for ‘Garnett $’ and f-ing up the script & pay-scale.

and yes, i’ve had a few already tonight.

by new5thpants on Feb 24, 2011 9:36 PM CST reply actions  

Only hope is a ways off

It involves firing Kahn and Rambis. Until there is a new CBA, I don’t see it.

The team has given up on Rambis.

Kahn can’t get players and he has blown the best chances in the last two Drafts to get better.

We need a PG, SG, and C. That’s pathetic.

by ChicagoViking on Feb 24, 2011 9:37 PM CST reply actions  

You forgot SF

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Feb 24, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm OK with Beasely.

I hope we land that Kyrie Irving and trade Rubio for a legit 2. Draft looks stocked with PF/SF types.

Wolves are doomed.

by ChicagoViking on Feb 24, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Beas

would be fine if we could sub him out for every defensive possession. And electro shock him on nights where he is machine gunning it.

by Vlade on Feb 24, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

"The team has given up on Rambis"

does that mean we’ll get kahn on the bench for the rest of the season?

by new5thpants on Feb 24, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

ya know what's sad

i’d like to see just how bad it can get… this team does terrible better than anything else.

by new5thpants on Feb 24, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa . . .

There’s no reason to begin stabbing members of the coaching staff.

Besides, Laimbeer seems like he would have a knife-proof hide.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 24, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

A stab wound

would just make him angry.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Rambis must go. I’m not reactionary by nature, but I have honestly seen enough. He has lost the team. He lost Love a long time ago. He’s misusing Wes. He’s over utilizing Darko to a comic degree. He won’t play a 6’11 athletic acquisition and instead plays coy and downright snippy when anyone has the audacity to question that decision. I could go on and on and on. #firekurt

by BVP on Feb 24, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Our club has such an affinity for buy outs. One would think the coach would be another potential source for such.

by Heggiebaby on Feb 24, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Hm

You aren’t reactionary by nature, but you’ve already decided he is not going to play AR, after 1 game, when he got in the night before.

by TO12 on Feb 25, 2011 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Huh?

Who got in the night before? Not Anthony Randolph.

Or if I’m misunderstanding you, “got in” meaning “got into town?”
We were down 10-15 points the majority of the game, the team lacked intensity and effort, the fans lacked any semblance of exuberance. Why the hell wouldn’t you throw him out there and let people get excited about it?? Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t we roll Darko out there right away last year?

And secondary to that, its still not reactionary. He’s been quoted by Zgoda that “there’s a chance he’ll play….but don’t ask me what size of a chance.” Really? Thanks for the inspiration, Kurt.

Numb.

by Bahlgren1 on Feb 25, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Why on earth would he let this guy make a multi-million dollar trade?

Because he hired him to do exactly that.

If Taylor doesn’t have faith in Kahn’s ability to GM, he needs to fire him now and get someone else.

by AQuintus on Feb 24, 2011 9:39 PM CST reply actions  

Exactly!

If true, this is the same sh*t Taylor pulled when he demoted McHale and then sat on his hands and did nothing to fill that position until the last second during the summer.

Since he is a good businessman, I’m sure he is accustomed to seeing what lies ahead and making plans accordingly. I dunno why that doesn’t apply to the Wolves, although I suspect it has something to do with not wanting to eat the salaries of people that should be fired and spending more on their replacements.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Feb 24, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

i don't think taylor cares about a championship to be honest

he wanted to build a ‘system’ team–the twins–that would be regularly competitive with young inexpensive talent and i’m thinking that’s what he saw in the triangle offense.

/depressed

by new5thpants on Feb 24, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

All-Star game to Ping Pong Balls

Is our offseason every year. It’s time to start sifting through prospects and grainy euro youtubes.
Rest up, read up, and get ready for the playoffs (draft).

by fanslaststand on Feb 24, 2011 9:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

This team looked fairly good up to 2 weeks before the break - and then seemed to

run out of steam. They look beat now, and exhausted. I thought the break would bring back some energy.

"Chaotic action is preferable to orderly inaction."
Will Rogers

by WillistonCoyote on Feb 24, 2011 9:47 PM CST reply actions  

deep down

there’s no player on the team thats Bought into the Triangle, nor the ability to excel in the system.

Wes and Martell were what they brought in to make it work and they got burned, Darko as the Pivot…0 for 3.

Rambis can walk away from this all still not knowing if he’s a very good coach, because you know what, the Triangle is poetry in motion when run right.

Loisaidabasketballclub.blogspot.com
Twitter: @loisaidabbclub

by beatsandpeasnyc on Feb 24, 2011 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

and what really should be echoing throughout the mgmt team right now is...

How in the Hell doe Rubio fit into the Triangle??!! i just don’t see it…

  1. Reason why you cut your losses…bring in a whole new team.

Loisaidabasketballclub.blogspot.com
Twitter: @loisaidabbclub

by beatsandpeasnyc on Feb 24, 2011 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

We have so many PnR players

Not to mention the fact that we lack Shaq/Gasol/Kobe/Jordan

Maybe Kahn expected to land Bron at the deadline?

by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 24, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I know I did.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Rambis can walk away thinking or knowing whatever he wants. Just as long as he’s walking away from this team altogether

by BVP on Feb 24, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

New-look Nuggets

are playing the Celtics tough through 1Q.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 9:59 PM CST reply actions  

there is no way the CBA "saves" the wolves AND we get rubio in 2011

we can’t have our cake and eat it too.

the way the CBA falls in favor of the wolves is if it drags on and the players eventually give up. by then rubio will have decided to play in europe another year.

then in 2012 we’ll have to overpay to get him, and he’ll probably be another disappointment.

by illwafer on Feb 24, 2011 10:31 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Irving

That is the best case scenario rather than waiting on Ricky

by hoopsfan1 on Feb 24, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

What if...

The CBA drags on, but Rubio decides to wait it out so that he can sign with the Wolves. The CBA agreement finally comes in January of 2012, with a shortened season played. At that point, Rubio decides not to sign with the Wolves, sits out the entire 2011-12 season, allowing him to re enter the draft and the Wolves no longer hold his rights.

For complete karmic justice, the Clippers would then select him with the Wolves own pick.

by wolves21ok on Feb 24, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

that won't happen

because rubio just has another year to wait to bypass the rookie salary scale. in the meantime, he can make money in spain. for this reason, i don’t even think there’s a chance of us getting him in 2011 if the CBA was reupped today.

but your scenario would definitely suck bad.

by illwafer on Feb 24, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

My extremely limited understanding

is that Rubio has to sit out ALL basketball for a year to be able to enter the draft.

Which, he’s like, seven, so it’s not like he would come back all creaky. But still.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Feb 24, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Correct

He has to go a full year without playing basketball professionally anywhere

by Oceanary on Feb 24, 2011 11:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Sid says we should keep the Coach and POBO

he also says those close to Sidney rice say his surgury didn’t help his problem and was just playing through the pain. Maybe Johnny Flynn has a more serious issue than we are aware of????

by FunkDoobious on Feb 24, 2011 10:39 PM CST reply actions  

Sid also thinks that we need to sign Mikan and Mikkelsen

Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga.

by SoDakHmr on Feb 24, 2011 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

That might be an upgrade, actually.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

McMahon – “You are correct, sir! YES!”

Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga.

by SoDakHmr on Feb 24, 2011 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

It just now occurs to me

that, eras aside, maybe George Mikan is a good comparison for Kevin Love. About the same size and weight. Both are square-bodied low-leapers. It’s just that the rest of the league was so much smaller than Mikan at the time. Love is the 2011 George Mikan!

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:49 PM CST up reply actions  

How much did Kahn and Rambis pay Sid to write that article tonite? Wow.

by BVP on Feb 24, 2011 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow.

Nuggets beating Celtics at the half.

37-36.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:42 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, but 1/2 of the Nuggets, too.

In the sense that half the team is new.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Not much has changed, then.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I see tomorrow's game preview is going to have to be a good one...

Everything in the computer need my face on it. Mega Gigabytes, son!

by TimAllen on Feb 24, 2011 10:43 PM CST reply actions  

How bout'

The Rebirth of Eddie Curry

by Heggiebaby on Feb 24, 2011 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

How about seeing if Curry and Pek

outweigh NOLA’s combined starting five?

Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga.

by SoDakHmr on Feb 24, 2011 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to see Eddy Curry swallow Pekovic

and then watch Pek thrash his way through Curry’s abdominal wall. BOOM!

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Pek is my bright spot right now.

I’m rooting for him to develop into a low-post beast who scares opponents. He’s probably the most physically imposing player we’ve had since Stanley Roberts, and Big Stan wasn’t imposing in a good way, if you know what I mean.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

It also doesn’t hurt that he seems like a pretty awesome dude.

by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 24, 2011 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Seconded.

I love Pek, but I wish he wouldn’t do that number in the post where he openly displays the basketball to the opponents while going to the hoop.

by Grover M on Feb 25, 2011 7:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Third.

Pekovic coming out a bit is probably the most plausible positive development we can hope for these next 15, 20 games or so.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

The biggest reason that I am hoping AR gets few minutes

Is so I won’t look like an idiot when I show up to sunday’s game with a cape and a sword!

I'm Trill, I'm running w/ the WOLVES

by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Feb 25, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I won’t look like an idiot when I show up to sunday’s game with a cape and a sword!

By all means, good luck with that. ;)

Numb.

by Bahlgren1 on Feb 25, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

You know that Curry has a weight problem...

when Oliver Miller thinks you’ve let yourself go.

Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga.

by SoDakHmr on Feb 24, 2011 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

In honor of this the T-wolves meal deal will include 6 hot dogs, chips and a beverage

by Heggiebaby on Feb 24, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I would not wish that upon any woman

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Feb 24, 2011 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

It should just be a game preview...

…with all of the starters we SHOULD have

by wolves21ok on Feb 24, 2011 10:48 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Follower of the site for years

and would like to say that I have been a Wolves fan ever since their birth, and this is the lowest morale I have ever seen from the fan base. Even after KG was traded people hoped Al Jefferson + one of the young players would mature into a star and we could move on. Even when draft pick after draft pick was severely outplayed by their counterparts people had hope for the next lottery pick. Even when McHale couldn’t make a good transaction people had hope for the next POBO to come in and save the franchise. Well, the day has come—hope is almost completely gone, fans aren’t showing up, and apathy is creeping closer and closer.

I have always had a positive outlook towards the Wolves, but cynicism is so much easier nowadays. With Rubio seemingly plateauing, Love looking for brighter pastures, and draft picks regressing (haven’t even mentioned coaching + FO blunders yet), the hope is gone.

The reason I posted this is it kills me a little inside to see such dedicated fans like SnP contemplating giving up on a franchise that they have loved, yet has continued to turn their back on them. In past situations I would hope that Glen Taylor and Co. could turn this around, but it has become obvious that contraction might be on our not-so-distant horizon.

"Some people just want to watch the world burn"

by TwolfTom on Feb 24, 2011 10:53 PM CST reply actions  

Hey Tom...good to hear from you again...

I also think people are blowing things a bit out of proportion. We’ve been lower. We still have some good chips and some decent players…but we’ve lost faith in Kahn and Rambis’s abilty. But the cupboard is not bare…contrary to some views.

"But this one goes to eleven..."

by kingsxman on Feb 24, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

We can only hope we have reached a tipping point, in a good way, and that the powers that be will actually take notice.

by BVP on Feb 24, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I really wouldn't worry about contraction at this point

There are other teams in much worse shape than the Pups. When they play well TC gets filled. The issue is when the team plays well and the arena is empty.

The only thing I’m afraid of is a new owner that might swoop in and move the team. That would suck.

by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 24, 2011 11:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Did something happen to Kenyon Martin's lip tattoos?

I swear they look different.

Everything in the computer need my face on it. Mega Gigabytes, son!

by TimAllen on Feb 24, 2011 11:05 PM CST reply actions  

That's sad. I always thought those two crazy kids were gonna make it.

If Kenyon Martin and Trina can’t make it work, how will the rest of us?

Everything in the computer need my face on it. Mega Gigabytes, son!

by TimAllen on Feb 24, 2011 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

That picture suggests

that he’s pushing the burger away from himself. Has to be photoshopped.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 11:14 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Interesting take

I figured the only way a man of girth gets up that high is if that burger has fallen from the upper deck and he is wrestling it away from the others.

by bheidge on Feb 24, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

At some point

As W.C. Fields would say: “You need to grab the bull by the tail and face the situation.” This is your Wolves team. They are bad. That is what gets written about. Sugar-coated crap, is still crap. I happy for anyone that can stay a cheerleader. Hooray.

by WeDraftedPooh on Feb 24, 2011 11:15 PM CST reply actions  

On a more positive note

I do not think the mid/long term future of this team is necessarily grim. A few reasonable things need to happen IMO

  • New coach who takes advantage of talent on hand, adapts to that talent, and runs O & D systems that young players can succeed in
  • Finally make some BPA picks and/or trade picks in a good transaction for a youngish vet. I actually like the general idea of the Webster trade last year. I think the team needs to add more assets to such a transaction so that they acquire a starter vs. a “bench guy I really hope can be a starter despite historical evidence to the contrary.”
  • Trade for at least one starter at a position of need. Could be a draft pick trade as mentioned above, or a quantity for quality trade. Wolves have a lot of young talent on cheap contracts, including a surplus of bigs.
  • Get Rubio here, using duct tape if necessary
  • Sign Love to an extension

OK – the Rubio one is a stretch. But the rest of those should not be rocket science. If most or all of those happen before next October, I think everyone will be much more optimistic.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Feb 24, 2011 11:16 PM CST reply actions  

you are correct

next, let’s discuss the likelihood that even one of the these things happens before next October…

I haven't written an insightful post in years.

by littleboxes on Feb 24, 2011 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem is

that I can only see two of those happening—trading for a starter and Rubio, and that is still a question mark.

"Some people just want to watch the world burn"

by TwolfTom on Feb 24, 2011 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

A friendly warning to you

Once you join and comment, you keep commenting. Run while you can! Or more likely, we’ll be seeing you around!

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 24, 2011 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

Give Ellington PG time. Since the triangle only seems to be used with the starting five, might as well start Ellington. Don’t play Flynn or Bassy.

by quessa on Feb 24, 2011 11:20 PM CST reply actions  

this has been attempted

and failed.

he just doesn’t have the quickness or the handle.

by illwafer on Feb 24, 2011 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

As an avid Ellington for PG enthusiast

I can firmly say that their attempts have been…. poor… at best. The only time they ran Wayne as the PG, they didn’t do the traditional triangle sets. You know, PG runs to corner and waits for shot. That said, Wayne is also a really good PnR player. Or at least he seems to be (I’d like the Synergy numbers on this…). I honestly think they just need the right matchup and they need to use him as a backup and nothing more or less.

Whenever I'm about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing.

by Mplax on Feb 24, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Because D. Fisher on the is so quick!

The issue is decision making when Flynn (and lately bassy) run the point.

by domesticllama on Feb 25, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Feelings, whoa, whoa, whoa, feelings

Just want to say that though the team has depressed me, reading the articles on this site have given me a hearty helping of smiles and laughs.

I mean, if the plane’s engines are on fire, the hull is split open and people are being sucked out, I’m clutching the arms of my seat and laughing like a maniac.

I just want to say that those of you who have provided great analysis and/or funny commentary—thanks a bunch. There is no better medicine for a franchise’s incompetence than what I’ve seen here.

by twnhoopsfan on Feb 24, 2011 11:32 PM CST reply actions  

Yup

This blog and the boards on some other sites are the only things that keep me sane…

by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 24, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Celtics v. Nugs

getting really ugly…living up to my monicker.

Dingus Kahn, it's over

by Flagrant on Feb 24, 2011 11:48 PM CST reply actions  

Nice.

Celtics have played a guy for 16 minutes that isn’t even in nba.com

by Simitar on Feb 24, 2011 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought

a 37-36 halftime was ugly enough. But it’s chippy and chaotic. Kind of fun to see in a Heisenbergian sense.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 11:50 PM CST reply actions  

Reply fail.

That was for Flagrant’s post.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

Must be nice to have a team playing for something.

Dingus Kahn, it's over

by Flagrant on Feb 24, 2011 11:52 PM CST up reply actions  

And at this point

it looks like the Nuggs are going to be more formidable than I thought post-trade.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point

The guys seem really energized now that the Melo-drama is over.

Dingus Kahn, it's over

by Flagrant on Feb 24, 2011 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Lot of talent on that roster

no superstar anymore though. I think it would have been smart to move Felton right away, but I also don’t know what type of offers they were getting for him

by bheidge on Feb 24, 2011 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

The heisenberg uncertainty principal nicely summerizes the T-wolf orginization. It is the system that defies measurement / results

by Heggiebaby on Feb 24, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I tend to think

we’re at the worst kind of anti-Heisenberg position. Rather than a butterfly in Brazil causing an earthquake in Tokyo, we have and earthquake in the New York/New Jersey area causing a butterfly to NOT budge at Target Center.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 24, 2011 11:59 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Dude?

I don’t know about Heisenberg, but Shroedinger’s Timberwolf is dead.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Or choose the wrong pill.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

In fairness to Kahn or DK if you like

He wasn’t a good hire. No one knows for certain what was available to Papa Glen, but I’ve hired executives and Kahn would definitely not been my choice given the job at hand.

But there were also several unforced errors which he is fully accountable for.

Any chance the Wolves start a PBOB development program?

Dingus Kahn, it's over

by Flagrant on Feb 24, 2011 11:51 PM CST reply actions  

Did Taylor

use a headhunter for the search?

I know its a pretty small universe but a good search guy is also part sales guy. David Kahn had no essential experience, although he understood the priorities for the job.

Dingus Kahn, it's over

by Flagrant on Feb 25, 2011 12:07 AM CST up reply actions  

This is about as fair a take on David Kahn as we can give in few words.
David Kahn had no essential experience, although he understood the priorities for the job.

That’s probably true. Based on his opening presser it seemed to be.

And yes, Glen Taylor laid out his executive search process, which sounded basically like he had hired a generic business consultant to headhunt. That was one reason it took six months or whatever to make a hire, supposedly.

"Those things about which we cannot theorize, we must narrate." – Umberto Eco

by feral on Feb 25, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

man when the nuggets play well

they are going to be unstoppable. they are loaded with above average players across the board.

by illwafer on Feb 25, 2011 12:01 AM CST reply actions  

We should've gone after Masai Ujiri when he was in Toronto

Everything in the computer need my face on it. Mega Gigabytes, son!

by TimAllen on Feb 25, 2011 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes

This young man is impressive to listen to.

Dingus Kahn, it's over

by Flagrant on Feb 25, 2011 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I dunno about that

The Nuggets don’t look like contenders to me. Yes, some good players at several positions, but no great players and not really any very good players.

Also, was Ujiri brilliant or lucky? I can’t tell, but this nearly blew up on him big time. He may have just been saved by NJ stepping back in at the end.

by Django Z on Feb 25, 2011 7:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Denver trades their superstar

and they probably make the playoffs. Minnesota trades their superstar, and we suck for 4+ years

by bheidge on Feb 25, 2011 12:02 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Sure, the Wolves had no leverage in the KG situation

but somehow the Nuggets do have leverage, after all of the talk. Ridiculous.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 25, 2011 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

The Cavs are 4-3, they’ll probably make the playoffs!

by Klobs on Feb 25, 2011 1:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Nuggets take out the Celts.

There goes any hope that our conference was getting easier.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 25, 2011 12:05 AM CST reply actions  

Move along....

I think I’ll change CH from a place that is a must view to a place that I’ll look at every once in a while. It’s gotten so cynical here, it’s ridiculous.

by urinesane on Feb 25, 2011 12:23 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Try the Friday Feel Good Thread (it is Friday now from where I post)

and don’t mind Jason’s handle

"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)

by uncle rico on Feb 25, 2011 12:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Cynics suck.

You are a little soul carrying a corpse. --Epictetus

by Cynical Jason on Feb 25, 2011 12:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm an optimist

This team is worth being cynical about right now.

But stop by and let me know when you find the pot of gold.

Numb.

by Bahlgren1 on Feb 25, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

If it makes you feel any better....

The Celtics made some really dumb trades. It might just be luck on GMs and whether or not the decisions they make don’t screw up their team.

by fantwolves on Feb 25, 2011 8:04 AM CST reply actions  

out of curiosity...

how many wins would this team have had this year with a decent coach instead of rambis? no triangle = less darko possessions = no longer leading the league in turnovers + better rotations + an offense that suits our players. Not to mention a coach the team hasn’t quit on (i.e. loves comments about the team not playing hard)

honestly, if a decent GM and Coach took over this off season and made the obvious moves, how many wins could we hope for next year? 30?40?

by tmbroom on Feb 25, 2011 8:17 AM CST reply actions  

I tried to get angry

but I’m still apathetic apparently, other than over the disgusting way Kahn treated PDGirl and us by extension. I’ve been a fan of this team longer than Glen has owned it, and I’ll certainly be a fan longer than the clueless buffoon currently running the team into the ground will be around. Although he’s bad enough that if he isn’t held accountable he may run us right into Seattle. I compared Kahn to Isiah Thomas when he was hired, and he’s certainly lived down to my expectations.
I am mildly excited for the ‘one year later’ follow up with Chris Wright.

by rickyp on Feb 25, 2011 10:29 AM CST reply actions  

Taylor the fraud

I believe Rob Moor, Rob Babcock, and Roger Griffth (Lynx pres) are all sons-in-law to Glen Taylor. Can anyone confirm that?

Do you suppose the string of potential GMs that came in for interviews two summers ago caught on to this fact, and immediately realized what a joke of a cluster f**k the organization is?

by jw84 on Feb 25, 2011 10:34 AM CST reply actions  

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