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So there it is. 17 wins. The Wolves have now lost 132 games in the past two seasons. This places them in the following company:

WORST TWO YEAR RECORDS IN NBA HISTORY
140 -- Dallas        1992-93 (71) and 1993-94 (69)
135 -- Vancouver     1995-96 (67) and 1996-97 (68)
135 -- L.A. Clippers 1986-87 (70) and 1987-88 (65)
132 -- Minnesota            2009-10 (67) and 2010-11 (65)
132 -- Chicago       1999-00 (65) and 2000-01 (67)
132 -- Denver        1996-97 (61) and 1997-98 (71)
131 -- Vancouver     1996-97 (68) and 1997-98 (63)
131 -- Dallas        1991-92 (60) and 1992-93 (71)
131 -- Miami         1988-89 (67) and 1989-90 (64)
130 -- Minnesota     1991-92 (67) and 1992-93 (63)
130 -- Philadelphia  1972-73 (73) and 1973-74 (57)

Over the course of the 2010/11 season the Wolves managed to find themselves looking upwards at a team that rattled off the worst losing streak in league history. They won a total of 4 games against teams with a winning record (4-44, .083), with two of them coming against a team they inexplicably match up well against, the Hornets. They were 1-15 in their own division and 7-44 against the Western Conference.

In two-possession games, Minny finished the season with a 4-20 record, good for worst in the league by a wide margin.

Over the course of the Rambis/Kahn reign of error, the Wolves have won a total of 4 division games with only 1 coming against a team not named Utah. Rambis and Kahn are 0-San Antonio, 0-Lakers, 0-OKC, 0-Portland, 1-6 against Dallas, 1-7 against Denver, 1-7 against Memphis, and 2-5 against NOLA. Those are your Western Conference playoff teams.

The Wolves are now 19-89 (.180) with Darko Milicic on the roster.

Kurt Rambis is now only the 3rd coach in NBA history to have consecutive sub-20 win seasons. The other two are Tim Floyd and Ron Rothstein.

Ugh.

Much more below the fold.

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Let’s take a quick peak at the season preview:


2. What are the team’s biggest strengths?

In theory, this team should control the boards on both ends of the court, play decent defense on the wings, shoot well from beyond the arc, and win 10-15 games simply by showing up and shooting the rock at a general percentage unseen in the post-KG era. In practice, I'll believe it when I see it. I like what I've seen so far this preseason, but the current mixture of this club is volatile and could go south in a hurry. Martell Webster and Wes Johnson are not known as good shot creators off of the dribble, Michael Beasley hasn't proven he can be a solid gunner, Jonny Flynn is suffering through the 2nd-year Wolves curse, this coaching staff has shown exactly nothing so far, and [insert your own possible blunder here]. When this team is winning games (or losing in a competitive manner) Kahn's "plan" will seem like it is headed down the right track, as we should see lots of hustle, athleticism, length, passing (especially from the bigs) and good shooting. When this squad is losing games, it will certainly be pitched by the team as a work in progress (and, to be fair, it is), but it will also still be the result of a long-running tradition of horrific front office decisions (both pre and during the Era of Kahn). At the end of the day, this is still a 15 win franchise with an under-performing coaching staff and front office that passed on the BPA with a top 5 pick and was unable to turn additional (and multiple) 1st round draft picks into anything other than Martell Webster. The one thing they have going in their favor is that anything approaching average will be greeted by us die-hards as honest-to-Pete manna from heaven. The soft bigotry of low expectations finally has a home at 600 First Avenue.

3. What are the team’s biggest weaknesses?

They haven't proven anything. Period. As hard as it is to predict the strengths of a group of guys that do not have a lot of shared court time together, it is equally hard to tell what they do not do well together. They should turn the ball over a lot. They should have trouble creating their own shots in a 1/2 court setting. As many assets as they have poured into the point guard position over the past 2 years, it is still a largely unsettled part of the roster that saw Wayne Ellington get minutes at the spot during the pre-season (seriously, how crazy is it that after two top 10 picks and 2 free agents that the team had to play Ellington at the point?!). Their coaching staff has not shown itself to be able to improve a roster. Their front office staff has not shown itself to be able to make an above average roster. At this point, and with their track record, the question is what aren't their weaknesses?

4. What are the goals for this team?

Not perpetrating fraud upon the paying public. I know it's kind of harsh, but last year was an unmitigated disaster that was not only one of the two or three worst seasons in franchise history, but was also an 82-game washout that became (according to team legend) a testing ground for the long term plans of Coach Rambis and POBO Kahn. I'm sure all of you who paid for a ticket are happy to hear that.

I want competitive and entertaining action on a night-in/night-out basis. This probably means that we'll need to see some solid coaching and player development. For better or worse (most likely for the sake of addiction), I appear to be the type of fan that is in this thing for the long haul. My goal this year is to not feel like a dupe for following this team. Again, congratulations Timberwolves--low expectations have garnered you another victory.


Have they once again perpetrated fraud on the paying public? Well, I have to say that this season certainly has changed the way I look at the franchise. My main take away is that they are no longer entertaining because of basketball. They are only entertaining as a comedy act. They are a massive, real-time sitcom that seemingly writes itself. In this sense, I cannot view them as a fraud. They are a world class comedic organization. David Kahn is a super star of cringe-inducing Office-esque proportions.

I don’t feel like a dupe. It is not because the Wolves were competitive and entertaining; rather, it is because I have finally reached a point of fandom with this team where what I thought would be apathy has morphed into a curiosity of wondering just how bad it can possibly get. We are witnesses to something truly unique and amazing.

At first I was opposed to this line of thinking. Tim brought it up earlier this year in a thread and I thought it was kind of a silly position to take. After all, the few remaining die hard fans of this team have spent thousands of dollars and hours on this club. It’s something of an entertainment investment and I would like to know that my money and time are being well spent on an organization that is committed to things like quality, professionalism, modern analytical methodology, and best practices. The problem the Wolves have is that most people tend to associate the word "basketball" with their desire to see these things, when, in fact, they simply need to think about them in relation to the following word: "comedy".

Am I serious about this position? Is it possible to be serious about anything Wolves-related? I believe it is simply too embarrassing, at this point in time, to be a serious Wolves fan. Either you take it seriously and get burned out or you treat it for what it is: an ongoing circus/test lab for buffoonery led by Glen Taylor, Rob Moor, and whatever coach and GM they allow to occupy the center ring for a few years at a time.

At numerous times before and during the season, I mentioned that I did not know how to write about this club. My thinking was that they were so comically and obviously inept that anyone not paying close attention would view what I believed to be realistic claims as nothing other than wildly negative and needlessly repetitive rants. How is it possible that a professional basketball franchise could hire an intelligent guy who knows absolutely nothing about professional basketball to run its basketball operations? How is it possible that a well-liked former role player who sat on the bench next to one of the greatest coaches in NBA history could not know how to coach professional basketball?

In terms of this site, the writing was even more directionless when you placed it in the context of asking yourself how a bunch of people who play rec league basketball and who do not have access to practices and behind the scenes action could make such broad determinations about the coach and GM of their favorite team. How can something so big and so obvious go unnoticed by the owner of the team? How can something so big and obvious not show up in the local press? Isn't whiffing on the overall issues of the past two seasons in real time the press equivalent of the vast majority of economists missing the economic collapse before it was too late? Do the last two years of Wolves coverage amount to something of a failure on behalf of the local press?

My personal theory on why this is the case has nothing to do with media access or competency. I don’t think that is it at all. I am a big subscriber to the idea that the best explanations are the simplest ones and I think that this franchise’s overall boobery is so large, and so long-standing, that it was simply too hard to fit into a workable day-to-day format of a beat reporter. If you took what this franchise was doing seriously, and on a level above and beyond simply what was happening on-court, you inevitably had to veer into commentary and opinion, and even history, as we shall see below with the main problem of the franchise--its owner. It’s not like you can ask David Kahn, in real time, a probing question about his draft philosophy and get a real answer. This team fails in epic and thematic fashion. Its wrongs cannot be covered in a day-by-day game wrap. It is an ongoing narrative that permeates every basketball-related inch of the entire operation (the folks in ticketing, marketing, press, radio, TV, and online do a fantastic job with what they are given to work with by the basketball ops folks. It is a shame that someone like Jonah Ballow doesn't have better material to work with.). We can come up with all the best questions in the world and even if we had the chance to ask them, the answers are already a given: "I believe in this roster. We will continue to get longer and more athletic. We are young and full of promise." Wash, rinse, repeat. Now imagine yourself in a position where you have to watch the same failures over and over and over again for 82 games a year and then write about each game as if it were a singular detached event instead of the outcome of some very specific, obvious, and omnipresent organizational failures. I don’t claim to be an expert on the subject of newspaper editing but I am unsure how broad memes, narratives, and themes should be inserted into 82 articles about very specific and singular events. People read the paper for game wraps and they go to fan sites for opinion and fandom. I don’t pretend to do detailed play-by-play game wraps any more than the local beat reporters pretend to do broad opinionated (and, admittedly, repetitive) narratives. The bar analogy doesn’t work for the Strib or PiPress and I don’t expect it to.

That being said, and before I completely slip into non-serious fandom once and for all, what are the Wolves’ basketball-related sins? They are too many to mention, but here are the top three:

1- The inexplicable failure to throw the majority of their resources into creating and maintaining a state-of-the-art draft operation.

Smaller market teams like the Wolves absolutely have to be built through the draft. The Wolves continue to employ the same methods of talent evaluation that netted them Jonny Flynn and Wes Johnson as they did Ndudi Ebi and Randy Foye. I am in no way kidding when I say that Glen Taylor should simply hire 2 statisticians and purchase a yearly subscription to a data collection service instead of continuing to pay people like David Kahn and Tony Ronzone to make disastrous draft day decisions. Another positive outcome of this approach: It’s hard for the public to get upset with a mathematical formula.

2- The obsession with "best possible outcome" > "most likely outcome", especially in regard to physical appearances and post-season performances.

Listen to anyone on the Wolves’ coaching staff and front office talk about the roster for five minutes and you will inevitably hear terms like "potential" and "lots of room for improvement". Now, I fully admit and understand that these words, and others like them, are commonly used by general managers and coaches throughout the sporting world as ways to get people excited about buying their product. However, not too many people use these concepts as core principles to actual player selection.

Past production matters. A lot. It matters so much that you can look at the records of current college players and compare them to the records of past college players while looking for data trends that appear to be strong indicators of NBA success. There are lots of long and athletic players who look really strong and bouncy, but, more often than not, the chances of understanding why Wes Johnson will not turn out to be a better pro than, say, Landry Fields are most likely found via an excel spreadsheet rather than a scout's eyeball. Ditto for Jonny Flynn and Ty Lawson.

The issue here isn’t avoiding failure; it is minimizing it while producing a reproducible draft system that favors statistically probable traits over subjective physical observations. Short of landing at the top of a draft with a single The Guy, the Wolves’ single approach to player evaluation should be geared around strict, repeatable processes that minimize failure while searching for players who are most likely to be good pros. In any other normal organization, I would suggest that the best approach for such a quest would be to combine stats and scouts, but not with the Wolves. They have been burned by the eyeball test one too many times for me to believe that they are in any way salvageable on the scouting front. This franchise learned so much from overvaluing Randy Foye’s post-season heroics that it turned right around and did the same thing with Jonny Flynn. Kahn and Ronzone talk about players' physicality in almost creepy language: Long, athletic, bouncy, young, tall, springy, good smile, has an energy around him, and so on and so forth. This type of wording inevitably leads to a situation where undue weight is given to items and characteristics that have very little to do with the predictive value of future success. Character, athleticism and physical appearances should only be viewed as baseline necessities. Once a player clears the baseline, any discussion about said player should become all about their past production as an indicator of their future success. The Wolves are incapable of this basic operating principle.

3- Glen Taylor is a terrible owner.

It’s the big elephant in the room. He saved the team from moving down the Mississippi and he continues to pump dollars into our favorite franchise, but there is a single constant in the long history of Wolves suckitude: Papa Glen. Glen Taylor likes firm handshakes, loyalty, and local bankers. While these things seem to be useful in building a Mankato-based printing empire, they do not appear to be conducive to winning professional basketball. Short of hitting the lotto with a game-changing historical talent (see Garnett, Kevin), this franchise has rightly earned the derisive term "Country Club". They are a closed epistemic loop that has been slowly atrophying vis-a-vis the rest of the league for a long, long time. When new voices do happen to make their way inside (or think about making their way inside), there are three possible outcomes:

Assimilation (Kahn): They quickly realize how internal business is conducted and they add to the madness.

Dissension (Casey): They realize the place is a madhouse and they set about to change things. They don’t last long.

Running for the Hills (Lindsey): They realize the place is a madhouse and they run away as fast as they can.

I fully realize that I am telling a billionaire how to spend his hard-earned money, but we’re well beyond the point where it is obvious that Glen needs to make a large one-time outlay to clear the deck and bring in a completely new and outside regime...or sell the team. Not only is this franchise a sitcom, but it is in syndication. David Kahn has added a bit of spice to the mix in terms of how he frames the same old mistakes, but he’s simply the latest guest star on the newest season of a show that has been on auto-pilot for a long, long time.


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Yesterday, David Kahn gave an epic year-end press conference. If you haven’t seen it yet, you are missing out. Serbian forest walks, raise your hands, we’re ahead of schedule, the league loves our talent, young, long, athletic, calling out former players, throwing Rambis under the bus, forced labor, multiple "our league" references, screw the Twins, the proof is in the pudding, injuries, we just need some fine tuning....it was amazing.

Aside from essentially walking up to a podium and saying that the shopping has been fantastic (the league envies our talent) while the cooking has been awful (he all but said Rambis will be fired as soon as the CBA business is cleared up), and saying that the status quo (which he created) cannot continue, Kahn made a number of claims that need to be addressed in a season review:

1- This franchise is in better shape now than when I got here/we’re more talented now than we were back then.

The Randy Wittman/Kevin McHale led Wolves won 24 games in the year before Kahn’s arrival. They had a roster with expiring (or soon to be expiring) contracts that was built around Kevin Love, Al Jefferson, Corey Brewer, and, arguably, Randy Foye. Currently, the Wolves have a roster with a lower payroll (although, when you consider what the team will have to pay Love and Beasley, and what the new CBA will allow for, this is kind of deceiving) that is built around Love, Michael Beasley, Wes Johnson, and Jonny Flynn (yes, I know he’s as good as gone, but they spent a 6th pick on him and I think that counts for being a core player). Is a core of Love, Jefferson, Brewer, and Foye better than one with Love, Beasley, Johnson, and Flynn? I think it’s a wash, at best.

Let’s take a look at PERs for each team (McHale/Kahn):

1- Al Jefferson (23.1)/Love (24.3)
2- Kevin Love (18.3)/Anthony Randolph (18.5)
3- Craig Smith (16.9)/Michael Beasley (15.3)
4- Shelden Williams (16)/Luke Ridnour (15.1)
5- Mike Miller (13.8)/Anthony Tolliver (13.6)
6- Randy Foye (13.7)/Martell Webster (12.3)
7- Ryan Gomes (12.5)/Darko Milicic (12.2)
8- Rodney Carney (12.1)/Nikola Pekovic (11.1)
9- Corey Brewer (11.2)/Lazar Hayward (10.7)
10- Bassy (10.8)/Bassy (10.5)

In case you’re wondering #4 pick Wes Johnson has a 10.1 PER, good for 13th on the team. #6 pick Jonny Flynn is 16th, with a 7.1 PER.

Slice it up with win shares, WS/48, offensive and defensive efficiencies, whatever, it is fairly striking how flimsy of an argument it is to say that this year’s team is more "talented" than what we saw back in the days of Witt and McHale. They certainly don’t have more wins. They certainly don’t have any more above-average performers.

Now tell yourself that for all of the suffering endured while supporting a 24 win team, the draft/cap space related payoff for the suckitude was ¼ of the franchise’s all time first round picks being wasted without finding an above-average starter, $20 mil in cap space being used on Darko/Pek/Webster/Ridnour, and a player who cannot possibly live up to the hype (inflate the Rubio Bubble!). Clippergeddon is about to hit and the team appears to have regressed from where it was before Kahn made it to town. I’m not sure how that alone isn’t a fireable offense. It was his job to soften the blow of Clippergeddon and he failed, in miserable and mind-blowing fashion. 

2- The roster is mostly complete.

This is a horrifying thing to think about, let alone take seriously. This team has put together the 4th worst two year stretch in league history. Its four best players (Love, Tolliver, Beasley, and Randolph) are all power forwards. It has no functional wing players and a single competent guard (Ridnour, who should be a backup). If you think this roster just needs to be finely tuned (even "significantly fine tuned" to borrow Kahn's ridiculous phrasing), then you know absolutely nothing about basketball. Nothing. In fact, a case could be made that the Wolves are nothing more than a single somewhat historic season from Kevin Love surrounded by one of the worst supporting casts in league history. I think Anthony Tolliver and Luke Ridnour are good rotation players (Tolliver is a Creighton Jay, so that makes him a winner from the get-go) and Beasley and Randolph both have redeeming qualities, so I wouldn’t go as far as Arturo, but this roster can really be boiled down to a single Kevin McHale pick and everybody else. Kahn tried, with a straight face, to claim otherwise. 

3-  The team is improving.

I don’t see how this is possibly the case. Remember what was being said last year at this time: Last year didn’t count because it was all about business. It was all about setting the table for future success, cap flexibility, and so on and so forth. The team then went about signing multiple free agents, added another top lotto pick, and entered the season with a bunch of optimism. They ended up with 2 more wins. 2.

Lets take a look at a few key categories while comparing the two seasons (10/11):

Point differential: -9.6/-6.4

The caveat here is that in relation to the league, the Wolves dramatically increased their ppg (moving from 20th to 10th) while falling from 29th to 30th in the league in opponent’s ppg. The team’s efficiency differential per 100 points was -9.9/-6.7, with a relative ranking of 29/28 compared to 24/27. In other words, the Wolves are attempting to bridge the Mississippi by putting a 2x4 on each side of the river and calling it progress. Their improvement also probably has a little something to do with league-wide trends. At the end of the day, they’re still very near the bottom of the league and they are a long way from being a serious winning ball club in terms of point differential. Either way, they’re well behind the -4.9 point differential and -5.3 efficiency differential put up during the last year of McHale...for a team that ended 24th and 25th in the league in OE/DE.

SRS: -9.06/-5.84
Expected W-L: (17-65)/(24-57)

If David Kahn has a case to make about why Rambis alone needs to walk the plank, it is the rather large number of wins this team has left on the table. This team shouldn’t be a 17 win team. They have a league worst record in 2 possession games. They run a weird fast-paced offense that maximizes, rather than minimizes, its players’ weaknesses.

That being said, the team’s "improvement" must be viewed through the lens of what we were repeatedly told about last season: it didn’t count. This franchise tanked last year and the only reason why there is even the smallest amount of tangible improvement is because we’re comparing it to a fraud. Shouldn’t the real comp be to the last year of McHale? This team can’t have it both ways. They can’t say that they’ve improved in comparison to a year that they said didn’t count. Here's the real comp:

Point diff: -4.9/-6.4
SRS: -4.74/-5.84
Expected W-L: 27-55 (underperforming by 3)/24-57 (underperforming by 7)

This team has regressed on a surprising number of levels since the end of the McHale era. That is amazing and completely unacceptable.

4- Defense is the real problem.  

Ummmmm...about those turnovers on the other side of the ball. Again, the OE and DE of this team are both problematic. They play too fast and turn it over too much. Do they suck at defense? Yes, but their offense puts their defense in ridiculous spots. Every time Luke Ridnour jacks up a 3 pointer with 21 seconds on the 24 second shot clock, it puts the Wolves’ defense on the spot. Imagine how crazy bad their defense would be without the rebounding of Kevin Love. How many more possessions would the team’s defense have to make up for if that were the case? This team plays bad defense. It plays bad offense. If Kahn wanted to make a statement about this team’s style of play, pace should be at the top of the list. (Remember that Kahn was the guy who said the young team needed to play faster in the first place. He then continued to add more youth.)

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OK, what is there to be excited about? Let’s take another peak at the season preview:

Second, Love is one of the best possession-by-possession finishers in the NBA. The ultimate goal of any player is to end as many possessions in his team's favor as possible at both ends of the court. Love is not only the best offensive and defensive rebounder on his team, but he is top-5 in the entire league. The guy has the ability to grab nearly 30% of available rebounds on the defensive side of the court. He gets his mitts on roughly 15% of available rebounds on offense. That's a single player positively ending nearly 30% of any miss by the opposing team while extending the possession of 15% of his own team's misses at the other end of the court. It is pretty hard to overstate just how important this is for a team that doesn't shoot the ball well.

Moving beyond rebounds, Love does not turn the ball over at a high rate. Last year he had the 3rd highest Ast% on the team while carrying the 4th lowest TO%. This year he will have the opportunity to put these numbers through the roof. One of the most striking things about the first two preseason games is that Minny bigs are going to have lots of opportunities to hand the ball off to guys who can but the ball in the bucket from long range. If Webster and Johnson are hitting their jumpers, Love could have an even more absurdly efficient season.

Rounding things out, the guy gets to the line at a higher clip than anyone else on the team. Rebounding, free throws, decent shooter, not a lot of turnovers...you really can't ask for too much more from the guy. He could have a break-out season this year that puts him at a level where talking about All Star status isn't such a ridiculous proposition. Love is far and away (at least for me) the number one reason to follow this club.


Kevin Love remains the #1 reason to watch this team. He is simply an astounding basketball player. Amazingly, he was jerked around by the team over the course of the past year and it took a 31/31 game to get him the minutes he deserves.

Anthony Tolliver is reason #2 to watch this team. He is a pro’s pro who seemed to be the only player near the end of the year who seemed genuinely bothered about what was taking place on the court. The guy brings it each and every single night, he is a solid rotation player, and did I mention he’s a Creighton Jay?

Alan Horton is reason #3 to watch listen to this team. If you haven’t listened to the Wolves radio broadcast, you are missing out. Horton holds down the fort all by his lonesome. He covers the games with excellent, catch-phrase-free, impeccably toned, and appropriately disgusted/impressed language. If Horton were paired with J-Pete, the Wolves would have the best play-by-play combo in the league. I really believe that.

J-Pete is reason #4 to watch this team. Since taking on coaching responsibilities with the Lynx, J-Pete has really come into his own as a color commentator. He gives fantastic insights into the game that both casual and diehard fans can relate to and he provides a much-needed counter-balance to the always-homerish (sometimes with a wink-wink) Hanny. This season, J-Pete has increased the amount of advanced stats he incorporates into the broadcast and this has been an invaluable development. Concepts like percentage or possession-based stats-keeping are vastly superior to net numbers and J-Pete has led the way with their introduction to casual Wolves fans. He also has increased the usage of twitter and social media on the broadcast, which further engages the team’s remaining (and modern) fan base.

Mike Rylander is reason #5 to watch this team. The Wolves are really going to miss the guy who many fans know only as "Fake Wally" (which he had to be tired of) or "the guy from the Doritos commercial". Mike, along with his excellent cohort Natalie Kane, are both leaving their duties as in-house announcers after last night’s game. I have no idea how Mike (and Natalie) did it. From Klondike bar contests to countless Best Buy basketball tosses, he (and she) was our Wolves game show host and were as big of a part of the post-KG era as the action on the court. Seriously. If you went to at least a single game over the past few years, admit it: you will miss them. For those of you who cannot live without your Mike Rylander fix, you can follow his trip out to LA by subscribing to his twitter feed: @mikerylander (Natalie will be going to the WCCO morning show and her twitter feed is at @natalie_kane)

The awesome black uniforms are reason #6 to watch this team. Seriously, they’re awesome.

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Tim’s game previews are reason #7 to watch this team. Here they are all in one spot. I’ll work on putting them on a dedicated page. What was your favorite one? Mine was David Kahn’s Windows of Opportunity.


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The awesome number of excellent on-line coverage is reason #8 to watch this team. A Wolf Among WolvesHowlin T-WolfTWolvesBlog, and Howl at the Moon all provide massive amounts of smart commentary about Our Beloved Puppies. Forums like Timberwolves CentralReal GM, and Rube Chat add a more open source of discussion. Add in national sites like True Hoop, SB Nation (and its many team blogs, especially Blazer’s Edge), Ball Don’t Lie, and TBJ; and stat sites like 82 GamesDoug’s StatsHoopData, and Basketball Value, and it’s a good time to be a modern NBA fan. You can learn a lot about the NBA by spending a few minutes of time on line.

I’d like to know what you guys think are the best reasons to (continue to) watch this team. At this point, and besides watching Love and Tolliver, I’m in it for the train wreck/cringe/comedy aspect. I’m slowly working my way into writing about this team as a sitcom rather than a basketball squad. For the longest time I viewed them as something of a puzzle that could be solved with analytics and the data collection. It can’t. The only point of using advanced stats with this team is to point out the depths to which this team has sunk and that will just ruin the jokes.

Despite all of this, the Wolves have an amazing and active online fan community. They do things like this:

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And this:

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And this:

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And this:

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And this:



This fan base deserves better than what is currently being sold to them by Kahn, Rambis, Moor, and Taylor. The players deserve better than what is currently being provided to them by Kahn, Rambis, Moor, and Taylor. If nothing changes, the only fans remaining next year at this time will be these guys:

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Which is pretty much what this little virtual bar has become over the past year or so. Thanks for being a part of it and for making Canis Hoopus the best place for Wolves fans to gather on the internet.

PS: Throw a few positive thoughts in the direction of Sacramento tonight
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#3 reason is THE reason from which all others flow

Organizations always succeed or fail from the top down.

Glen just isn’t a good owner of a sports team. You nailed it – he trusts handshakes and long-term working relationships with (to be frank) other white, midwestern males. People who look like him.

I’m not saying it is primarily a racist thing or sexist thing, just a “looks like me, talks like me” thing.

by Django Z on Apr 14, 2011 2:46 AM CDT reply actions  

"Always" is probably a misuse of language,

but the leadership of an organization is certainly going to have a large part to play in its relative success.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Apr 14, 2011 3:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know, you are cynical, still...

…what I mean is that all the great people in the trenches who do the majority of the work, were hired and trained and managed daily by a mid-level manager, who was hired and trained and managed daily by a high-level manager who was hired and trained and managed by the owner/CEO/President.

I’ve yet to see any great companies or organizations who don’t have someone pretty amazing at the top. It does not guarantee success to have that person at the top, but it is extremely rare to succeed if you don’t have that person.

by Django Z on Apr 14, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jerry Jeff walker has a son named Django

I’ve never seen it elsewhere

"I don't use cliches, and I'm not about to change horses in mid-stream".

by Tangerine dream on Apr 14, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I always assumed it was a reference to Django Reinhardt the guitarist

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Apr 14, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with #3.

The right hire as GM leads to the right hire as a coach leads to better player picks and better player management.

by Elastico on Apr 14, 2011 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not exactly

It has to come from both directions. Up until last night I felt that the only players trying to improve were: Love, Johnson, Tolliver and Webster.

Beasley finally impressed me the last two games. But he has to bring that to each game.

Again I use the analogy of the teacher teaching people that don’t do the work. They still get Ds or Fs. So the players have to step up.

That being said Rambis is very predictable. There is a reason why the other team pours on the points in the 2nd quarter or the 4th. Its because who is on the court, and why Rambis didn’t put the best out there is beyond me.

And as I said before if he couldn’t win one of those easy games since 3/20 he should be fired. So if Rambis got fired tomorrow I wouldn’t complain.

by fantwolves on Apr 14, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good write-up

A little lame to not include twolvescentral in the list of good fan sites, though.

And that Sacremento video is tough to watch. It’s awesome but I worry so much about MN losing the Wolves.

by Ailuridae on Apr 14, 2011 2:56 AM CDT reply actions  

I forgot to add all the forums

I’ll add them to the post.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 14, 2011 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for making me late for work

Excellent piece. I couldn’t put it down. Put yourself down as reason #6 to follow this team. Good job.

"The journey of 1000 miles, begins with a TWolves loss. If I waited for a victory, I'd never get started"

by Action on Apr 14, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Danke

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 14, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

MSP is not big enough to support 4 professional franchises...

At some point it’s going to come down to the Wolves vs. the Vikes

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Apr 14, 2011 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

or both

which would really boost gopher sports.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Apr 14, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

If they win, the fans will come

Just ask the Twinkies.

"The journey of 1000 miles, begins with a TWolves loss. If I waited for a victory, I'd never get started"

by Action on Apr 14, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be here next year.

And I can’t decide if I’m Statler or Waldorf.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Apr 14, 2011 3:26 AM CDT reply actions  

More like Beaker I'm afraid

"I don't use cliches, and I'm not about to change horses in mid-stream".

by Tangerine dream on Apr 14, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

One of the reasons to be a fan online...

is the Smell the Glove album?

You can't dust for vomit.

by twinstalker on Apr 14, 2011 3:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Never mind

Some images are just black on my computer.

You can't dust for vomit.

by twinstalker on Apr 14, 2011 3:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Epic post. Very much appreciated.

And I definitely agree about the community here. It’s fantastic. It transcends the basketball team by now in many ways. It’s a pleasure to be a part of, and if the Wolves ever get smart or get lucky, it’ll be great to be on board.

Everything in the computer need my face on it. Mega Gigabytes, son!

by TimAllen on Apr 14, 2011 4:13 AM CDT reply actions  

How true

Even though I’m very new to the fan base I can feel the frustration which has been building up relentlessly over the course of, not just this season, but for several years now. Given all the absurdities which exist within the Wolves organisation the Canis Hoopus contributors have to win some sort of accolade for being amongst the “diehardest” in the sport. Basically it comes down to supporting your team….you guys do that in spades.
See you all next season.

by kfa444 on Apr 14, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

always sayin' the truth

even when it hurts to hear it.

gj.

Barnes or Bust!
I like Irving!
We want Williams!

by John Wall on Apr 14, 2011 4:43 AM CDT reply actions  

You're just being unrealistic.
"You know, we always have goals as a coaching staff. Some goals that are set by other people are just unrealistic. So, you know, you’ve got to evaluate everything from a personnel standpoint.
– Kurt Rambis on the grocery shopping, in last night’s pre-game interview as posted by the team.
“Uhm… It’s businesslike.”
– Rambis on his relationship with Kahn.

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 14, 2011 7:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Si

The December quotes have finally boiled over.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 14, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great job SNP

All things being equal, it was a pretty hilarious season.

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Apr 14, 2011 7:05 AM CDT reply actions  

It really was

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 14, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't stand Reusse...

But this was pretty funny

For some reason, Kahn’s fine-tuning remarks got me thinking about my first car — a 1954 Chevy that I bought from my Aunt Peggy for $100. The Chevy went through a few mishaps and yet the blue bomber kept working.

Finally came a day when it was fired up and a blade came off the fan. It sliced through the hood and went skyward as if it was a Vanguard 1 satellite.

And my reaction was: “Aunt Peggy’s Chevy needs a significant tuneup.”

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Apr 14, 2011 7:10 AM CDT reply actions  

I think Pat's a treasure.

He’s a very funny writer on twitter too btw….but as far as sports radio personalities go you can do way way worse.

by fanslaststand on Apr 14, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Being a die-hard for years, I have been used to watching eyes roll anytime post-WCF when I would talk about the Wolves with friends or family. I typically had optimism (which was clearly seen as absurd), but people seemed surprised that anyone would bother to pay attention to the degree I was anway.

No more. There are no tangible reasons to think that this team is going to get any better within the next 1-3 years. It’s an embarassing organization that has placed all of their hopes on a young Spanish kid whose mom cuts his steak, that might not even come here.

Like SnP I’ll continue to follow along because I can’t stop myself, but I watched fewer games this year than anytime since probably ’90-91. And I was eleven then.

by Punisher#8 on Apr 14, 2011 7:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Epic and Right-On

Thanks for all that you do.

by Waff on Apr 14, 2011 7:33 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Excellent

The only redeeming feature of the Wolves is the amount of dark comedy they have both provided themselves and inspired here.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Apr 14, 2011 7:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Kyrie Irving on twitter fits in there nicely...
RealKyrieIrving: just because i declared doesnt mean i cannot go back to duke…lol some people forget that…i haven’t though

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Apr 14, 2011 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't that just be the icing...

The Wolves win the lottery, Kyrie goes back to Duke, we draft Derrick Williams, and then hold tight while we lose next year’s #1 pick to the Clippers.

by Krotz the Wall on Apr 14, 2011 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that isn't going to happen

I can’t fathom him pulling out. Also, he has to decide before the draft lottery.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Apr 14, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I know...

I was just commentating that things like that seem to happen to the Wolves. I’m pretty sure that Kyrie is staying in, a better likely rookie contract, and I’m pretty sure the Wolves will draft third.

by Krotz the Wall on Apr 14, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now that Perry Jones has pulled out...

I won’t be surprised by anything

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Apr 14, 2011 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank the high heavens for that

Wouldn’t some franchises just be truly fucked if that wasn’t the case?

, said Mplax.

by Mplax on Apr 14, 2011 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

At that point

I say we just play our bet players.
Randolph-PF @PG
Love-PF @SG
Williams-PF @SF
Beasley-PF @ PF
Toliver-PF @C

It could be entertaining….

by Waucckhewww on Apr 14, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

i tweeted back...

@RealKyrieIrving you’d be lucky to share the court with @kevinlove! #thinkb4youtweet

I watch this team, and i care so much, simply because i can’t not. It’s just a part of who i am..

by Love4MVP on Apr 14, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Think before YOU tweet!

Seriously, don’t jinx it man! Don’t even solidify the idea of his possibly being a Timberwolf in his head, or he’ll surely duck out. This 1 in 4 shot at Irving is literally the only shot we have at moving toward relevancy earlier than the 2013-14 season.

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Apr 15, 2011 5:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

what a douchey thing to say

I was all pumped up on Irving too..really dampens my enthusiasm a bit. I understand, but it sucks that he might hate it here if we drafted him.

Barnes or Bust!
I like Irving!
We want Williams!

by John Wall on Apr 14, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming that the tweet

was just about appeasing all his Duke followers. Not directed at the NBA crowd.

by dropstep on Apr 14, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is an epic post

and this team is an epic failure. I should prefer to stab myself in the eyeball with a spork rather than watch the T-Pups play ball, but ever since 1989, I’ve put myself through it. Fortunately for me, the realization of how gray the lines can be between comedy and tragedy have allowed me to stay sane after all these years. Oh to be a Wolves fan… the worst record in the league, with a 75% chance of falling back a spot or three in the draft. How depressing. I never thought I’d be relieved that a lockout was looming, but here it is, and it feels like a respite from continued failure. Hooray for the lockout !!!!

by PhatG77 on Apr 14, 2011 7:54 AM CDT reply actions  

A Problem with the Comedy Central Angle

That’s my perspective on the Vikings. I don’t want two teams like that. I am very sad and pessimistic about this club. I think that I’m just going to quit paying attention.

They say it's always darkest just before dawn and man, was it dark last year. Come to think of it, I'm not needing my sunglasses this year, either.

by SBG on Apr 14, 2011 8:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I had the same dilemma..

….after 41-0 and decided to drop the Vikes. It was a reverse-SBG ;)

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 14, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dropped the vikes after they traded for and then cut Randy Moss

It was simply the last straw.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Apr 14, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

ironically

I stopped being a fan of that organization because they were so unnecessarily dysfunctional…

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Apr 14, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I gave up on the Vikings shortly after they drafted Moss.

I simply couldn’t follow a team with three douchebags (Denny Green, Cris Carter, and Moss), no matter how talented two of them were.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Apr 14, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

for me

it’s less about the players than it is the owners and how they run their organization. I am so tired of all organizations in MN, Wild (at least the old org…not sure about the new), Vikes, Wolves, and Minnesota Atheltics Department being run into the ground. The only one that usually gets it right is the Twins.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Apr 14, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

fortunately with the U

… they at least have another priority that they seem to accomplish pretty well

by midlife crisis on Apr 14, 2011 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great summary, SnP

The great community around here, a high-level support group and gallows humor crew, really helps a person keep on going. If a person can take a step back and look at this franchise and the people involved, it is truly comical and very entertaining. It hurts, but it’s funny.

I was thinking about the Press Conference last night, and I finally figured out what it reminded me of. If the “This is Spinal Tap” crew decided to make a mock Sports Franchise documentary, that could have been a scene directly out of the movie. It just needed the back drop to fall down, and when Kahn asked for a show of hands about this team being more talented than last year, the camera would have panned out to show Darko raising his hand from the back of the room.

Anyway, at least we have something to watch and a great group of people to make fun of it with us.

by Krotz the Wall on Apr 14, 2011 8:09 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Jazz Odyssey

“David Kahn—he wrote this”

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Apr 14, 2011 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

A "jockumentary"?

"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)

by uncle rico on Apr 14, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hilarious

Yes, someone has to pass this stuff along to Christopher Guest. Michael McKean (or better yet, Michael Emerson) would be great as David Kahn.

by Rascal Flatts on Apr 14, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Christopher Guest could look like David Kahn in a heartbeat.

He might add some little touches. Maybe six fingers.

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 14, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of the great S-n-P lines of all time.
Not only is this franchise a sitcom, but it is in syndication.

by dontbesomean youngfella on Apr 14, 2011 8:22 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I've become increasingly negative on the current regime

But I think the good news here (in addition to what SnP listed above) is that a turnaround is not impossible – even under current ownership.

1. Glen has shown he will spend money and is seems to be a father figure that most of the players like. I think with the right, strong GM, he is fine as an owner. He just needs the right hire to lead the Basketball ops.

2. Minneapolis has shown they’ll support a winning team. The amount of angst over the past two seasons shows there is still latent interest out there.

3. Here is how I think the dominoes could fall in a “quick turnaround” scenario.

  • Taylor fires Kahn and hires someone competent and a bit strong willed.
  • Competent GM hires a competent coach
  • Competent GM upgrades scouting/analysis department with some young, fresh thinkers
  • Competent GM and coach do honest analysis of roster and needs/overlap
  • Competent GM has a good draft (B or higher)
  • Competent GM balances and improves roster using cap space and remaining assets
  • Love sees an obvious direction and improved roster and re-signs
  • Fans see an improving product and some wins. More start coming to games. Glen feels more comfortable and agrees to spend more on continued improvement.

Is that so far-fetched? I’m not talking about championships – just B-level competence. And it could start with just one good GM hire.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Apr 14, 2011 8:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh, things could get better with competent management, no question

The problem is twofold: first, and inexplicably, Kahn is apparently keeping his job. How that is possible escapes me, but it seems to be the case. Second, when they do fire him, can they actually find a competent GM to take the gig?

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Apr 14, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just A Fan

said in the game thread that Kahn might have done himself in with yesterday’s PC. His rep (what rep?) in NBA circles took a huge hit the way he handled Rambis, etc. Let’s see if I can paste it—

Good news
it looks like Kahn’s "presser" today has sealed his fate. Word has gotten around very quickly in the NBA circles and Kahn’s rep has taken another huge hit for the timing and way he threw Rambis under the bus.

I have been told that word has gotten back to Papa Glen that it is very unlikely any high quality coaching candidate will sign up to work under Kahn unless offered huge dollars and a long contract. Kahn has been promoting the fact that their were high quality candidates available that would work at reasonable prices. A huge contradiction that Papa Glen will be forced to reconcile.

Can’t see Kahn getting out of this one.

by Just A Fan on Apr 13, 2011 7:58 PM PDT reply actions 8 recs

by BDavige on Apr 14, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

[Just a Fan's source] has been steadfastly negative on Kahn from the get go.

It wouldn’t have surprised me at any given point over the last two years to have JAF reporting that Kahn’s latest moment was the very last straw.

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 14, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

The problem with JAF sources...

is that they seem to be basketball sources and it’s pretty obvious that Papa Glen’s decision making operates outside of basketball logic

by midlife crisis on Apr 14, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah that particular nugget from JAF...

is only noteworthy if Kahn is fired, soon. If not, the “high-quality coaching candidates won’t come to the Timberwolves” is something PoorDick could have told us from his living room laptop. It goes without saying, and our best candidates, like last time, will be guys searching for their first opportunity. Let’s just hope we pick the Monty Williams over the Kurt Rambis, this time around.

by Andy G on Apr 14, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

That Rockets team is very professionally run.

Houston is in that basketball purgatory position right now, but I was very impressed with everything about the Rockets, last night. Had much-better seats than usual for the game, and was behind their bench. Their second unit does its own huddle before tip, while the starters do theirs on the court. Every single player, including benchwarmer Thabeet, looks happy to be there.

Adelman gets off his chair to hotly contest a bad call when his team is up 20, taking each possession seriously (and as it turns out, for good reason, because we came all the way back to make it a game.) Their backdoor cuts are a beautiful thing to watch and an effective way to loosen defensive pressure without having Dwyane Wade on the wing or Pau Gasol under the basket.

Anybody who learned from Rick Adelman would have my vote. The guy knows the game.

by Andy G on Apr 14, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Their fans are voting for their MIP this year,

and it’s Lowry or Chuck Hayes. Both of them showed significant development this season.

Who’s our Wolves’ runner up to Love, again?

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 14, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Anthony Randolph.

His Wolves PER was 10.9 points higher than his Knicks PER.

by Andy G on Apr 14, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bassy

The answer is always Bassy. ;)

BTW: I never did find any piece of Wolves apparel with his jersey number.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 14, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice.

And only a minute later.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Apr 14, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Said mrs pd shortly after mr pd's arousal

"I don't use cliches, and I'm not about to change horses in mid-stream".

by Tangerine dream on Apr 15, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's a great article on Sam Hinkie

It’s from 2008 and you can find the link here.

Can you imagine this coming from our POBO

Such analysis is a cottage industry â€" embraced most by the Rockets in the NBA but catching on in other locales â€" and a quick search of 82games.com will show you how serious are some NBA stat-analysts.

Here are just a few of the stats available at 82games.com: Floor-time stats (individual player plus/minus; how a team fares with a certain player on the floor), 5-man unit stats (most-used five-man combos and how they fare together), player pairs (stats looking at team performance with each two-man pair on the court) and many, many more that frankly are too difficult to explain.

Talk of a special sauce makes Hinkie nervous. Yes, he’s a numbers geek and admits it. Yes, he and his staff devour forests of NBA numbers. Yes, he thinks it’s comforting to know that while he can’t personally watch all 1,230 NBA games in a season, his computer can analyze all 1,230 NBA games.

But Hinkie doesn’t claim those stats are the gospel. They are just one more piece to a complicated puzzle, and when you’re dealing with players whose multi-million dollar contracts can make or break a franchise, every morsel of information helps.

“Every team is looking to beg, borrow or steal any ideas any chance they get” Hinkie said.

And don’t think Hinkie studies only computer printouts. I met Hinkie last December at the All-College Classic. He was scouting, which could get him kicked out of the numbers-geek union.

While watching the likes of Oklahoma’s Blake Griffin and Gonzaga’s Jeremy Pargo, here’s what Hinkie looked for.

Does he talk to teammates? Does he talk to the crowd? Does he yell back at his coach? Does his coach baby him, and if so why? If he dunks off a lob, is it because the pass was perfect, or the play was a great setup, or did the defense go to sleep, or is the guy athletic enough to dunk without any of the above?

“What we try to do is draw a clearer picture” Hinkie said. The data “trend will continue to be a part of our business, along with the judgment of experienced basketball evaluators and the unique chemistry building that coaches can create. This is yet another piece.”

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Apr 14, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Phil Jackson knows the game pretty well...

… and we saw how that turned out with his apprentice.

Not saying I’m against Elston Turner, I don’t really know anything about him.

by Dumbhead62 on Apr 14, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

"something PoorDick could have told us from his living room laptop"

Compliment accepted.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Apr 14, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

You are officially the go to "random CHer"

Live it up my man, life doesn’t get better than this!

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Apr 14, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth

both my laptop AND my living room are very powerful.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Apr 14, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the key word there was "random"

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Apr 14, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Kahn's behavior

at a press conference was that off-key and bewildering, I can’t imagine what he’s said and done behind close doors.

Especially if the people in his presence never, ever have access to the internet.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Apr 14, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

That's Mr. Downer to you.
www.canishoopus.com

by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 14, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

How can...

Kahn keep his job? If Rambis is fired and Kahn hires another coach (prolly a 3-year deal), then a year down the road, Taylor realized Kahn was as much the problem as Rambis was. So now he fires Kahn and brings in another PoBo who is stuck with the coach Rambis hired, because Taylor doesn’t want to be being 3 head coaches at once. What GM is going to want that mess?

by ElliotMRCS on Apr 14, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

fingers crossed, fingers crossed

I love the community here, but it’d be nice to have something to look forwards to.

by aarendsvark on Apr 14, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

It wouldn't surprise me

if firing Rambis is the final task that Taylor wants Kahn to complete. It saves the new POBO from that awkward task.

by TenderWolf on Apr 14, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glenn's cheap way out

bump Rambis to the FO, fire Kahn, promote Lambeer

by WinTheLottery on Apr 14, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

You just gave me chills. Not good chills.

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 14, 2011 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

SnP is all about the hits.

He’s got an empire to run.

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Apr 15, 2011 5:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

For all of that to have transpired in one day is highly unlikely

"I don't use cliches, and I'm not about to change horses in mid-stream".

by Tangerine dream on Apr 14, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

The thing about basketball

is that it only takes a half a dozen players to make a good team. It’s not football, where you play and need 50, or baseball, where you need more than a dozen. Hell, those pre-cassell teams had about 3 above average players, and another handful of decent bench rotation guys.* The pups could get to average with the simple addition of two good nba guards.
It’s shocking really that after so much comedic ineptitude that that’s even possible. It’s shocking, of course, that that is also the exact same position the team was in back with Al and Love two years ago, given how many assets Kahn has burned through.

by rickyp on Apr 14, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

it actually is that far fetched

Taylor will fire Rambis first…let Kahn “choose” another coach (and since he doesn’t know what he is doing will fail again) and then Taylor will fire Kahn and coach and try to hire someone else but will do it on the cheap…again. This team has run itself into sports bankruptcy with minimal opporunities to file a valid restructuring plan.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Apr 14, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it IS far-fetched

if only for the fact that those dominoes have occurred so rarely over the last twenty years.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Apr 14, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like the Wolves organization

this post highlights the “best possible outcome” over the “most likely outcome.”

I haven't written an insightful post in years.

by littleboxes on Apr 14, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I imagine there was some sarcasm in this post

But perhaps some honesty too.

And it completely stinks that Wolves fans feel that a scenario where the team hires a competent GM, component coach, and doesn’t totally fuxxor up the draft as “best possible outcome”. I didn’t even mention a winning record.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Apr 14, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously.

Competence is unrealistic to us.

by LoveTo on Apr 14, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ahh but just think

If only for a moment before banishing such unrealistic thoughts forever, how good it would feel if we were suddenly faced with a compotent FO and coaching staff.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Apr 14, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Compotent?

Weird brain fart there.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Apr 14, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks to CH for keeping my wolves fandom off of life support

I especially look forward to reading the game previews (amazing work Tim) and game-wraps.

Tolliver is one hell of a hard worker and my hat’s off to you sir.
Love… incredible season I hope you work hard over the off-season.

Finally, an anecdote from my life about what was wrong with this years team.

 I play one season (3 months) of serious ball per year. The rest of the time I go to the gym with my coworkers and fool around. Note that we’re mostly white software engineers and you have a fairly good impression of overall athletic ability/basketball skills though there are exceptions. We had an intern X who thought he was God’s gift to basketball…. that is if God’s gift to basketball was meant to dribble only with his right hand, with his head down looking at the ball, and constantly shooting out of control or heaving a “pass” when he occasionally realizes he got triple teamed and can’t get a shot towards the basket.

 I was sitting at my desk after-hours streaming a wolves game when X came by and started chatting… after about 5 minutes he shut up and watched the game only to remark “Why can’t they take care of the ball? I can’t watch this.”

by zebano on Apr 14, 2011 9:04 AM CDT reply actions  

CH actually pulled the plug on your life support?

Well, we did the humane thing. At some point, it’s time to let go.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Apr 14, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

If only we had that power over the roster

and the coaching staff, and the front office…

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Apr 14, 2011 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

oye ve

you guys will take any opening wont you?

by zebano on Apr 14, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is

what she said.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Apr 14, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Z...

…it was nice running lines with you… And I’m happy to say I won. Or whatever the inverse of winning is… A common ailment for Twolves fans.

by Boss10 on Apr 14, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Done, done,

and we’re on to the next one.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Apr 14, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Doing a season summary on the Wolves is more like an autopsy

The franchise is currently dead. Just need to determine which wounds are pre and post motem and who struck the fatal blow.
Since Kahn assumed the role of medical examiner, looks like Rambis will be sent “up the river”.

"I don't use cliches, and I'm not about to change horses in mid-stream".

by Tangerine dream on Apr 14, 2011 9:09 AM CDT reply actions  

*mortem

"I don't use cliches, and I'm not about to change horses in mid-stream".

by Tangerine dream on Apr 14, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought you meant "modem."

This board predates the information superhighway. So does the team’s ineptitude.

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by feral on Apr 14, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

JAF posted in the game thread that Kahn's on life support after that news conference...

Probably fitting that Kahn’s mouth is what sealed his fate, but we’ll see if this prediction holds up.

One can hope.

Patiently waiting for a new POBO

by Blakeley on Apr 14, 2011 9:13 AM CDT reply actions  

I want to root for him badly

but every time he shoots from the hip he shoots himself in the foot. Why oh why did he declare Flynn a mistake while the season was ongoing and Flynn still active. Why oh why do a post season presser which includes a not so cryptic obituary for your still coach.
This guy is in desperate need of a speech writer and a telepromter and every word should be reviewed and approved before spoken.

"I don't use cliches, and I'm not about to change horses in mid-stream".

by Tangerine dream on Apr 14, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

He doesn't need a speech writer, because that means he's gonna make speeches

He needs to shut up and avoid all public speaking at this point. Forget about how he can’t go two sentences without his foot getting wedged in his mouth; he could deliver the Sermon on the Mount and we’d still be like, “Oh yeah?”

Work on the roster, not the image, David.

by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Apr 14, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

So true

"I don't use cliches, and I'm not about to change horses in mid-stream".

by Tangerine dream on Apr 14, 2011 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't he remind you of a maitre d' in a fine French restaurant?

"I don't use cliches, and I'm not about to change horses in mid-stream".

by Tangerine dream on Apr 14, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with the comedy angle

Most of us take this team and sports in general too serious anyway.

Number 9 reason to watch this team is the affordability of season tickets. You can watch NBA basketball in the lower bowl for about the cost of a Hopkins-Minnetonka game. (Insert lame joke comparing the quality of Wolves games versus quality of high school games, here.)

Nice post. If you wanted to make an even harsher comparison of McHale v. Kahn, you could use the chunk of games coached by McHale before Al Jefferson tore his knee.

by Andy G on Apr 14, 2011 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

I really wish somebody who mattered in the Wolves organization would read this post

Really great post, and I just wish somebody would recognize how badly this team needs to change the way it approaches talent evaluation.

For a long time, I’ve been concerned that Rambis would be scapegoated for this travesty of a franchise. It’s not that Rambis isn’t terrible—he is, and I’m glad he’ll be leaving. The problem is that his departure will give Kahn even more time to mismanage the hell out of this team. You don’t lose 65 games in a year without having extremely substandard talent.

The fact that Kahn seems to be becoming more entrenched in his position that this roster is largely satisfactory is cause for grave concern if he (as it seems will be the case) retains his position going forward. We need a miracle to salvage this operation with him at the helm—he isn’t learning from his mistakes, he’s not reevaluating his talent evaluation process, and he’s basically just pushing the shit downstream. As easy as it was to hammer away on Rambis, who had few, if any, redeeming qualities, David Kahn is the man (short of Glen) with the most power and control over the team’s future success. He needs to be fired.

by WolvesFan03 on Apr 14, 2011 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Well said

I’ve said before and it bears repeating that while Rambis is clearly not a good coach, focusing on him ignores the central problem which is that this roster, for which Kahn must be held responsible, is awful.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Apr 14, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yet focusing on Kahn

ignores how bad the roster was that he inherited. He blew some opportunities, sure, but it’s not like he inherited the Celtics and ran them into the ground.

Rambis didn’t show any ability to coach defense or maximize the tools he had at his disposal on offense. Why did it take 81.5 games to realize that Mike Beasley could rack up points as a pick-and-roll forward?

Don’t take this as a defense of Kahn—just a defense of Kahn relative to Kurt. I think the roster is the biggest problem the team faces, but it was a huge, huge problem when Kahn inherited it and building from the cellar without lottery luck is not easy.

by Andy G on Apr 14, 2011 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not easy?

He blew 7 first round picks the past 2 years. He signed mediocre free agents the past 2 years. He hired Rambis. Every move he’s made can be questioned. He had a plethora of opportunities to stock this team with talent, and he pissed away every single one of them. David Kahn is incompetant. To brush off his failures as if he wasn’t to blame is Kahnesque.

"The journey of 1000 miles, begins with a TWolves loss. If I waited for a victory, I'd never get started"

by Action on Apr 14, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Chill out.

And re-read the post. I’m comparing Kahn’s performance to Kurt’s, not assessing Kahn’s performance in a vaccum. I’ve come to think that the coaching job this year has been very bad. We have three players in Ridnour, Webster, and Beasley that have been high-minute players (starters) on playoff teams and another player in Love that made the All-Star team this year. Tolliver is considered by many to be a solid rotation player. That doesn’t mean this team should win half its games but with some basic offensive sets (rather than complex, free-flowing, whatever it was we were trying to do) and basic defensive principles, this team could have won 50 percent more games than it did. In a perfect, best-case scenario it could have approached winning 100 percent more games than it did.

Kahn has made some big mistakes. It would be more than fair to fire him, at this point. But, Eric seemed to be putting 100 percent of the roster’s awfulness on Kahn which would ignore its awfulness when he took the job.

by Andy G on Apr 14, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK I'm chilled

I’ve just been down on Kahn since his first draft, and he’s done nothing to change my mind. His demeanor is almost as annoying as his lack of basketball or managerial knowledge. The proof is in the pudding, and so far this pudding looks awfully sour.

"The journey of 1000 miles, begins with a TWolves loss. If I waited for a victory, I'd never get started"

by Action on Apr 14, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

The only thing is

it was awful when he took the job, sure, but he’s arguably made it worse after spending a boatload of assets on it. What Kahn’s done with this roster almost seems impossible to do, and I think his level of ineptness is beyond even the awful coach’s.

by LoveTo on Apr 14, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

He’s done worse than someone just randomly throwing darts at a mock draft board.

by Rascal Flatts on Apr 14, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, it might be difficult

but it’s also his job, for which he gets paid, and he’s failed at it. Further, he’s made several identifiably bad decisions, and has shown no indication that he’s getting better. As previously noted, he’s blown fully 1/4 of the team’s first round draft picks.

Also, I’ll refer you to Flagrant’s excellent post below. He’s significantly contributed to making the Wolves a laughingstock. His behavior, in concert with how bad the team is, is not acceptable. Yesterday’s presser was completely inappropriate, and embarrassing. It makes the franchise look bad (as well as being bad) to continue to employ someone who is such a buffoon.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Apr 14, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes.

It just seemed in your post above that you were putting all of the roster’s awfulness on Kahn, which would ignore its awfulness when he started. He’s blown opportunities and done a poor job, for sure, but Kurt’s awfulness is basically without added context—it is what it is. If he were coaching the Celtics, he’d make them worse. The talent level that Kurt inherited is better than the team’s performance. How much better is up for debate, but a better coach could make this roster look less awful.

by Andy G on Apr 14, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes and no

I am putting most of the roster’s awfulness on Kahn; he’s had a lot of assets that he failed to turn into good players. While I agree that a better coach could have done more, I don’t think it’s a whole lot more.

Also, Kahn chose Rambis, so that’s on him as well.

Further, he not only chose Rambis, but told us, and apparently himself, to ignore everything that happened the first year. Then he wakes up this year, realizes that all the crap that went on the first year (bad defense, turnovers, impossible offense that didn’t mesh with the roster) actually kept happening the second year?

They both are bad at their jobs, and should not keep them.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Apr 14, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's fair.

I drank a little bit of the Kool Aid that David served us upon arrival, because I liked the idea of blowing everything into pieces and starting from scratch with a young team. Obviously, that would have been more fun if we acquired a single impact player in the draft lotteries of the past two years. Maybe Rubio will pan out, who knows. I mostly agree with your takes—I probably just pin a bit more blame on Rambis since I like Beasley’s skill set more than you do. Had he been used all season the way he was last night for a long stretch of pick-and-roll basketball, things may have been better.

by Andy G on Apr 14, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

$20 mil in cap space and 6 first round picks

Rambis is a bad coach but Kahn did some real damage to the wealth of resources this team had for 2 decent drafts and a big free agency year. After yesterday’s presser, I’m not sure how anyone can still believe he knows what he’s doing, let alone why anyone would want to coach for the guy if it’s obvious he’ll throw anyone under the bus to save his own hide.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 14, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

The comedy stuff--I'm with you

But, is a GM throwing his coach under the bus anything unique to Kahn?

How would you describe the Paxson-Del Negro relationship? Certainly not “professional.” That didn’t prevent the Bulls from landing a hot candidate. Of course, they had an owner willing to spend on a free agent, and luck in the lottery to provide Derrick Rose. That roster was probably a much-bigger factor in landing Thibs than anything related to John Paxson.

by Andy G on Apr 14, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know enough about any other team to say it's unique or not

I have IM’d a few folks who write other blogs to get their take on the unique awfulness of Kahn throughout the year and most of their take has been just what they see on ESPN. Is he really much worse than, say, Joe Dumars? I think so but the answer would be more of a painting than a dissertation.

I would be willing to argue that yesterday’s presser was unique. I’m not sure he didn’t do that all on his own. I don’t think I’ve seen anything like that before and it was so out of the ordinary that guys like Joe Schmidt made note of its weirdness on the 10 pm news. I think it’s the way in which Kahn threw Rambis under the bus that is especially notable.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 14, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, for starters...

THEY STILL HAD A GAME THAT NIGHT!

It was pretty bizarre. I only saw the 10-minute clip somebody posted here.. I think I missed the Serbian forest walks or whatever TF that was. The “show of hands” thing was awesome. Anyway, it was very funny.

If you’re committed to the comedy angle, here’s a question for you: would you rather the Wolves win the lottery, draft Irving, and have him live up to the hype, KEEPING Kahn around; or have us not win the lottery, draft another another disappointment, and have Kahn fired and replaced?

by Andy G on Apr 14, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

If we are committed to comedy..

..then Kahn must immediately be signed to a lifetime contract. Rob Moor must also be promoted. I don’t know how or to what, but he must be promoted. Hopefully he will be given some sort of quasi-North Korean sounding communist title like Supreme Director of Fan Intake and Player Procurement.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 14, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

And also...

We need to make Darko and Jonny roommates on every road trip, and have a camera follow them around 24/7.

I’d love to watch little Jonny jabbering in Darko’s ear, telling him Martin Lawrence jokes and trying to teach him to play video games while Darko glumly looks at the camera like “WTF?”

by LoveTo on Apr 14, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Moor

I was told that Moor was listed in a recent article as Taylor’s FORMER son-in-law.
So, Moor got a divorce from his boss’ daughter AND STILL GETS TO KEEP HIS JOB HE SUCKS AT?

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by HumdingerTV on Apr 15, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read this as well

Glen, it’s time to cut the cord with this guy. let him “retire” and “earn” a pension.

I haven't written an insightful post in years.

by littleboxes on Apr 15, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Strib and a couple of other regurgitations of the same article do list Moor that way.

Our Stribune misspelled Alan Horton’s name the other day, but would they randomly toss in a “former” on a relationship that way?

Taylor and Wolves CEO Rob Moor, Taylor’s former son-in-law, interviewed more qualified candidates to replace McHale two years ago before they chose for a minimal salary Kahn, a former sportswriter-turned-lawyer and NBA assistant general manager who never before was in charge of player-personnel decisions.

There are four other copies of that same article out there, and those seem like the only “former son-in-law” examples. Hrm.

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by feral on Apr 16, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Moor

the silver bullet of analysis.

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by beatsandpeasnyc on Apr 18, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just watched the presser for the first time

The show of hands thing was cringe-inducing. Classic also that, apparently, not many people raised their hands. He is truly a buffoon.

by WolvesFan03 on Apr 14, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Want a painting? Somebody run a PhotoShop "oils" filter.

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 14, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Canning a coach isn't unique, but if you're Glen Taylor does this manner of doing it trip your loyalty detecto-meter?

That was no Mankato handshake deal going on, yesterday.

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 14, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think several detecto-meters were set off by yesterday's presser

Loyalty, good taste, biochemical particulates, radon, carbon monoxide, common decency, peace, love, and happiness. It goes on and on.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 14, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was all roster. paxson assaulted one of his employees-- and wasnt even fired!

how is that possible? that combined with the fact that the bulls woulnt even offer thibs as much money as NOLA was offering (how insane is that for the 3rd biggest market in the country?) convinces me that thibs must have really, really liked the roster. the unfortunate thing in minny is that the guy throwing the coach under the bus, killing the teams’ PR, AND the guy building the roster both suck at their job. and also, its the same guy.

"if Jonny [Flynn] loved playin competeant basketball az much az he loves de movie Salt
he might be ok."

- MAYNHOLUP

by TheMoon on Apr 15, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

"a brilliant basketball mind"

"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)

by uncle rico on Apr 15, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the shout-out to Sac.

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Apr 14, 2011 9:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Keep the hope alive

The Wolves were all but packed up in the van to NOLA before Glen Taylor stepped in. After reading this post, that may seem like something of a cruel joke, but…well, I got nothing after that ;) Here’s hoping they can keep the team.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 14, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great piece, SnP

I do hope that you run into Glen Taylor again at the Kwik Trip and are able to share some of your views and advice.

Love the “reign of error” remark. Maxamillion Assets Robspierre (to pay Paul) must be stopped.

"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)

by uncle rico on Apr 14, 2011 9:36 AM CDT reply actions  

agreed It was one of those times

Where I say to myself I appreciate that but I bet no one else got it

I'm Trill, I'm running w/ the WOLVES

by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Apr 15, 2011 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

This wouldn’t happen if the wolves had someone to call the other teams’ players cancer patients and make feeble attempts at physically intimidating smaller players.

by oblivionspocket on Apr 14, 2011 9:42 AM CDT reply actions  

4 seasons, 250 losses. The Spurs have 244 losses since 2001.

So, it has been a decade’s worth of losses since he left.

by oblivionspocket on Apr 14, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

ouch.

that hurts.

"Deserve ain't got nothin' to do with it."
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by ol' weird harold on Apr 15, 2011 5:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sad night in Sac town

One of the worse experiences in sports is watching the lights go out on another NBA city. I tuned in to see this happen last night for Sac town. Depressing to say the least.

As Stop-and-Pop describes in his stellar state-of-the-franchise, our Wolves are suffering a slow death of a thousand self-inflicted cuts. I assume Kurt Rambis is history, so no since revisiting a corpse.

What credibility the Wolves franchise had in the NBA is hemorrhaging out. David Kahn is not on ineffectual, he is a post-child for Mad Magazine, “What, Me Worry.”

Kahn is the laughing-stock of the NBA. The crazy Summer League exchange with Chris Weber over the potential of Darko (compared to C-Web and Vlade Divac) was not only insensitive but insane. Following this, Kahn demeaning Chris Weber on local radio was doubling down on stupidity.

Realizing what a moron he projected himself as being, Kahn banished himself or was told to step away from being the Wolves pubic spokesman for a while. Oh, that’s not to say that he didn’t have the opportunity to remind the public of his propensity for embarrassment when he introduced Michael Beasley and such.

Yesterday’s press conference could best be described as bazaar. But beyond that, the suggestion that a 17-win roster is a serious upgrade in talent that requires “fine-tuning” further diminishes the Wolves franchise and pushes it further towards the Minnesota version of Sac Town.

Dingus Kahn, it's over

by Flagrant on Apr 14, 2011 9:46 AM CDT reply actions  

To be fair,

the roster requires “Significant, significant fine-tuning.”

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Apr 14, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Apr 14, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is...

Significant, significant fine tuning bigger or smaller than a minor overhaul?

by ElliotMRCS on Apr 14, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

The roster is pretty good for league-minimum payroll.

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Apr 15, 2011 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

An unfitting end

Despite the recent lean years in Sac Town, they have always had a relatively small but strongly loyal fan base. Most recently, they fell in love with DeMarcus Cousins and accepted his behaviors as something he will grown out of.

So, it was adding insult to injury that he got tossed out of the final game allegedly telling the ref to f—- off.

On the other hand, Sammy played his heart out last night. Falling victim to chest injury in the closing minutes of overtime.

Dingus Kahn, it's over

by Flagrant on Apr 14, 2011 9:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

I just watched the Sac v Lakers game.

They pretty much all played their hearts out to be fair, Udrih and Thornton especially were playing like it was the playoffs.

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by JonesTheCat on Apr 14, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great write up. I appreciate all the contributions to the site everybody's made over the season

I read Just A Fan’s comment in the game thread about looking like the end for Kahn. After the press conference it sure seems like the end for Rambis too. We may finally reach a real rock bottom and turn it around. I’m optimistic something is gonna change.

by twolf1 on Apr 14, 2011 10:08 AM CDT reply actions  

We've already reached rock bottom

the last time we were the worst team, we ended up with the 3rd pick in Laettner instead of Shaq or Mourning, if memory serves. Imagine how much better we’d have done without the blasted lottery.

But yeah, it doesn’t get much worse than last place in the entire league. We have nowhere to go but up, and if winning 17 games is the barometer, it shouldn’t be too hard to get there.

"The journey of 1000 miles, begins with a TWolves loss. If I waited for a victory, I'd never get started"

by Action on Apr 14, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

How many lives have the Magic had since they won that lottery?

Shaq, and Penny.
Departure of O’Neal.
Signed Grant Hill and T-Mac.
Dwight teams, in at least 3 flavors.

Other teams don’t get “stuck” in the way the Wolves get “Stuck” for four years at a time. The Bulls have had two three-championship bursts, followed by total rebuilding, and then two separate renaissances, since the Wolves have been in the league.

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 14, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

That stark comparison

is chalked up to lottery luck. Orlando has had more of it than any team in lottery history. Seriously, winning it THREE times all of which happened during incredibly top heavy drafts.

The Bulls’ post-Jordan renaissance was falling apart in a hurry before the INEXPLICABLE Rose Lottery-draw.

by Andy G on Apr 14, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

All very well, but remind me when Phoenix or Utah won the lottery?

Think about the variations those franchises have been through.

Denver’s been through multiple incarnations in the time we’ve been in the league. They’ve had their horrible phases. They built the team that stunned Seattle in the first round. It fell apart. No lotto wins.

This sort of monotonous failure is not the rule. Not even for the worst franchises going.

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 14, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Utah sort of won the lottery...

when Andrew Bogut and Marvin Williams were drafted ahead of Deron Williams.

But I get your point.

by Andy G on Apr 14, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

The mistakes in evaluating NBA players concern me more than draft

I think it’s been proven that drafting is an inexact science. What bothers me more is Kahn’s take on NBA players. Webster was billed as a wing running, play making, defensive minded athlete who could shoot. He wasn’t that in Portland. K Love is a 4th option bench player…. Darko is a defensive stopper and GREAT passer….. NOT….. Hollins is a quality post player…. Beas will be a hard working major piece of puzzle. Beas only plays when he feels like it. Luke & Sessions are starting quality point guards…. Both back ups…. G Wilkens was somehow worth a 2nd round pick. Those signings/trades/evaluations are more bothersome than anything else to me.

by Conned on Apr 14, 2011 10:32 AM CDT reply actions  

It's only the time of year that makes us focus on draft evaluation.

This is the spot where he skips out on Irving in order to protect the future of Rubio. The disinterest felt by the general wolves fan even with us owning the bulk of the lottery balls is based purely on his competence level. Most of us would rather have McHale make the choice in this years draft than Kahn (but that might be because two of the top five players have first names that begin with “K”)

by midlife crisis on Apr 14, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Technically, Tim Floyd only got to the sub-20 wins twice...

Because one of those years was the lockout year. So Rambis is technically only the second coach ever to achieve that feat in two full years.

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by Twin Cities Hawk on Apr 14, 2011 11:14 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Nice catch

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 14, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec-worthy, even

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Apr 15, 2011 5:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK..

….after a quick look at BR, here’s the Floyd deal:

- He coached in 4 seasons in Chicago
- His first year was the lockout
- His 2nd year had 17 wins (full season)
- His 3rd year had 15 wins (full season)
- He was fired 25 games into his 4th season

He pulled a Rambis in his 2nd and 3rd seasons.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 15, 2011 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that's what I get for not reading the entire Floyd history earlier

Nicer catch.

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Apr 16, 2011 8:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

And that's what I get for not reading the entire Floyd history earlier

Nicer catch.

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Apr 16, 2011 8:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

How do I take away your rec?

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Apr 16, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Public humiliation always works

"I know you're from Middle America, and sometimes you feel like you're representing more than just a school or a conference, maybe an entire group of American citizens out there."

by Twin Cities Hawk on Apr 16, 2011 7:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

You suck!

….
Arrrgghhh….

Yeah I’ve got nothin…

, said Mplax.

by Mplax on Apr 17, 2011 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Add another to the number of people thanking CH and the commenters

Great work SNP, TimAllen, Oceanary and everyone who made the comment section entertaining to read.

It has truly been an awful two years, but I was talking with a friend about getting season tickets next year and we were convincing ourselves that next year will be different! This is surely a sign that I should be committed.

by Four44 on Apr 14, 2011 11:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Stay involved.

It’s like the bacon and the eggs. The chicken’s involved, and the pig is committed.

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 14, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not much time to comment

but a couple things.

Yes – my friend is on the basketball side, not the business side of the organization. I have very little insight on the business side, not nearly what other here have.

I debated with SnP several times that I felt that Kahn was staying and Rambis was going. From my perspective (no insider here), Kahn was going to play the “wrong fit for the team” card to justify cutting Rambis loose. I felt it would work.

But it is going to be a wild summer for coaches. It is 99% certain that the 2 top HC jobs in basketball will be open (Lakers with Phil’s retirement, Celtics with Doc’s expected “leave of absence”). Plus several other non playoff teams (Houston for one) are expected to change coaches.

It begs the question – how attractive will the Twolves job be in comparison? Will we get the prime candidates or the 2nd tier?

Kahn has always been viewed with a healthy amount of skepticism in NBA circles. But the way he threw Rambis under the bus yesterday, then let him twist in the wind, has added to the concern. (Contrast to the decisive and professional way Fletcher handle the Wild change) Kahn, and for that matter the whole Twolves organization, is NOT the type of person/company that people aspire to work for.

So while there are only 30 jobs, and yes lots of people wanting them, are the optimal choices going to want to work for Kahn? The initial buzz seems to be no.

I think that will be the final straw – Kahn selling how many prime candidates there are wanting our HC job and Glen finding out that is not the case.

Again, my opinion.

by Just A Fan on Apr 14, 2011 12:01 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

That seems

plausible.

Only four more months until the lockout begins!

by PoorDick on Apr 14, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who would want to work for Kahn?

…I’m putting the over-under at 5.5th tier coaches.

by Boss10 on Apr 14, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

We've all got Kahn-o-rhea!

I’m in the Peace Corps right now living in Uganda…I’ve been abroad for about two years so I haven’t seen a game during that stretch…but you guys kill me. I’m a refugee from Britt’s excellent, though now deceased, On The Ball blog and I dig what you guys do here. The game wraps, draft boards, analysis and general discussions are more insightful than anything I have found around via the web or otherwise.

I also appreciate the stats 101 course, you guys have sincerely made me a more astute basketball fan.

So, yeah, good work all around and thank you!

by the Big Cactus on Apr 14, 2011 12:11 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

congrats on completing your service

I’ve heard Uganda has its challenges. Did the Peace Corps myself in Central Asia more than 10 years ago. Something like 1/3 of volunteers in the ‘stans don’t make it the full two years. They say volunteers in Africa learn to be thankful, in Latin America patience, and the Former Soviet Union cynicism. Yet I still follow CH and the Wolves—perhaps in the Soviet spirit of suffering I relate to so well. It sounds like you’re as thankful as I am for the connection to good American news and banter about something from our old lives (I am still abroad) CH provides. Cool to hear there’s another one out there.

by richardovich on Apr 14, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

the BC will leave Africa thankful

if he hasn’t seen a Wolves game in two years.

I admire Peace Corps volunteers. Where in Central Asia were you, richardovich?

"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)

by uncle rico on Apr 14, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

smack dab in the middle of nowhere, Kazakhstan

on the frozen steppe, near where the cosmonauts land. As you’ve heard, it’s not as seen as in the movie. Heck, if it were as funny as Borat, I might not need to rely on PoorDick for laughs

by richardovich on Apr 14, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Must have been quite an experience

Where are you now? I would love to see a global map of CH posters (is there some way to map this using IP numbers?).

"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)

by uncle rico on Apr 14, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm addicted to the "Places" feature in the new version of iPhoto.

Assigning locations to all my old shots, and then looking at the world map, is addictive.

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 15, 2011 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

in a more-developed (and expensive) part of Kazakhstan

still trying to make the world a better place, but in a more comfortable way.

by richardovich on Apr 15, 2011 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting

I wanted to visit while out in Xinjiang but did not have the opportunity (or visa). How is travel there now in terms of ease and cost?

"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)

by uncle rico on Apr 15, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

of all the places to visit in the Former Soviet Union/CIS

I’d recommend others: Uzbekistan, Georgia, Turkmenistan, and Ukraine (unless you’re really into skiing or something like wide-open spaces with nomads, in which case Mongolia is the better option). The ‘stans all require visas, which you can get with relative ease. Georgia and Ukraine are visa-free. Most countries have regular, direct flights to Istanbul, Moscow, and a city or two in Europe. Flights aren’t cheap. Very minimum is $1500 roundtrip, but $2000 is closer to the average rate these days. If you’re coming out this way, let me know and I’ll try to be more helpful.

by richardovich on Apr 15, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

It wont’ be this summer but next summer I may possibly be in _East Turkestan- Xinjiang again. So I’d be traveling in from that direction.

"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)

by uncle rico on Apr 15, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

If two out of three of Kahn, Flynn or Rambis are a part of this team next summer

you might not find me here next summer, but I like the odds right now.
Quite a few Uyghurs in Kazakhstan, btw. My friend’s wife is Uyghurka, and I like her and her family. It used to be possible to fly directly to Tashkent from Urumqi. Then hit the three or four main tourist towns of Uzbekistan from there. I include Nukus for this. It’s pretty hot in July and August, and AC isn’t as ubiquitous as you might hope.

by richardovich on Apr 15, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks again for the information.

Seems like quite a bit of border crossing takes place in the region, which makes it interesting. Still have not made it to Kashgar, and really am disappointed not being able to see the bazaar there before they razed that part of the city.

"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)

by uncle rico on Apr 15, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a friend from Uzbekistan,

a banker, who came to Minnesota for a year and a half, and used the time on his visa to build office cubicles for $11/hr. He sent almost all of his money home. His wife used the money, bought three apartment buildings and two homes in addition to the one they already owned in that time. When he finally went home, he was certain that it was the best investment of his lifetime.

Bringing honor to uncle rico's family since 2011.

by JMGrady on Apr 20, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sometimes other posters really give me heart.

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 14, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Feral

we all need a little heart after ours have been ripped out on numerous occasions.

"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)

by uncle rico on Apr 14, 2011 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is one of the best posts I read about basketball in many years. nothing really to add but this kind of stuff is why I keep coming back here

by yarrgh on Apr 14, 2011 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

worst 2 year stretches

Did anyone else notice that only one of these stretches occurred prior to the 4 team expansion of ~1989?

whether it’s an indictment of watered down competition or a fallacy of parity or both, I’ve no idea, but its interesting

by WhatIf on Apr 14, 2011 12:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I couldn't figure out a way to work it into the post...

…but I think the big story from last night’s game was that the 6th pick from the 2009 Draft was basically let go and we’ll never see him again. Has that ever happened before to a high lotto pick in his 2nd year?

That's Mr. Downer to you.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 14, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I view Jonny Flynn as a tragic figure in all of this.

I know, I know, his talents are limited, especially for the 6th overall pick. And yeah, his Tweets about Martin are easy to make fun of. I mean, they provided me with half of my material this year.

But I brought this up last night with Cynical Jason and dogpile before the game. Flynn does seem like a nice guy and was/is a player I want to see succeed. Unlike, say, Rashad McCants, who was just a colossal d-bag from the moment he arrived. When McCants fell off, and people booed him, I thought it was deserved.

When people boo Jonny, I just feel sad.

I don’t think Flynn is an All-Star, but I still think he could be a nice back-up point guard in another situation. I think he could’ve been that for us. But through a combination of Kahn’s high expectations and Rambis’ forcing him into a system that was exactly opposite of his strengths, the Wolves kind of ruined Jonny Flynn as an NBA player. Some of its on Jonny, but if we’re talking about player development, the org kind of went the opposite way on this one.

Everything in the computer need my face on it. Mega Gigabytes, son!

by TimAllen on Apr 14, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

He definitely was projected upon

He was a walking-talking symbol of everything insane about Rambis and Kahn. His twitter feed is still teh suck, btw. ;)

That's Mr. Downer to you.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 14, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

His last one was back in early February. Maybe he got the message.

Everything in the computer need my face on it. Mega Gigabytes, son!

by TimAllen on Apr 14, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow. Even that's sad.

The life is just gone from this situation.

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 14, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kahn-Flynn-Rambis

is sort of the holy trinity of incompetence. I thought they all deserved each other, but your post does make me feel bad for Jonny….kind of.

by Rascal Flatts on Apr 14, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

It has been really depressing

watching chatty, smiley Jonny turn into a sullen, angry little man over the course of the season.

by LoveTo on Apr 14, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Flynn bashers actually should be rejoicing that he's on the Wolves roster

If he were playing for another team they’d be poised to acquire him as a reclaimation project!

"I don't use cliches, and I'm not about to change horses in mid-stream".

by Tangerine dream on Apr 14, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not only that,

but the other team would have a worse record than us.

"The journey of 1000 miles, begins with a TWolves loss. If I waited for a victory, I'd never get started"

by Action on Apr 14, 2011 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

OH GOD.

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Apr 15, 2011 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with Tim on this

It’s sort of hard not to look at Flynn and see a much better player there – not just Steph Curry, or even Ty Lawson – but the lightning quick pick and roll specialist he ought to have been out of college. Rambis’ beyond useless offense was far too steep a wall for a rookie point guard to ascend, and then off the injury this season he just started to regress and regress. I hope he gets back on track down the line.

Climbing Broke Back Mount Everest - T'Wolves 10/11

by Malastare on Apr 15, 2011 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

That said, I've made a point of praising Ridnour to T'Wolves deriders

Because of the following sentence. “Jonny Flynn could have been the team’s starting point guard.”

Eeesh. Can you imagine?

Climbing Broke Back Mount Everest - T'Wolves 10/11

by Malastare on Apr 15, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glen is in NYC for Board of Governors meetings right?

Today & tomorrow. So the earliest something is likely to happen is Saturday. Then, given that nothing seems to happen on weekends at Target Center (nobody works OT?) that pushes it to Monday.

I’d assume Glen will chat with various partners and talk with Kahn. That’ll take a week. So my prediction is a week from Monday before any news.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Apr 14, 2011 2:31 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

The longer the delay, the more likely inaction becomes.

Perhaps the “Show of hands?” references among the local sports heads will keep things fresh. I flipped past 1500 today, and Patrick Reusse was guessing that line would stick for the next five years. Reporters in press boxes were already, so he said, sick of variations on it.

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 14, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Spot on, all of this

Now that the season is finally over, it’s probably time for a mea culpa from all those who wasted lots of keystrokes defending this regime before the season. I get that most have already done this, but these last 72 hours really drove home the incompetence and incoherence of the organization. They really were as bad as all of us negative nancies expected. I hate to say we told you so. (Okay maybe I like it a bit).

The upside of all of this is that Rambis will probably return to the Lakers as an assistant, so at least that limits the chances that when Kevin Love leaves this franchise (which he will barring some miracle reversal next season, because he seems to be reasonably intelligent) it won’t be to don a purple and gold uni.

by voiceofharlanspast on Apr 14, 2011 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice job spelling out what a Curry pick would have meant

Kind of hard to read (because of the regret). You’re absolutely right though—the Flynn pick was just a monumental disaster and dramatically changed the outlook for this team. Curry gives this team a top-tier guard, and suddenly this team feels a lot less hopeless.

by WolvesFan03 on Apr 15, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree except for a few points....

- If we drafted curry our win total would have been different, most likely we wouldn’t have been in the spot of taking johnson/cousins( I honestly believe both will only be mediocre players anyways..)
- What if we get the #1 this year? and thats a big if…I’d rather have irving/love as opposed to curry/love…and even if we don’t we could still get a solid vet close to those capabilities…
- Although this season was an utter failure…Kahn and Rambis have one more offseason to work on the roster which will be their biggest so far…Even though the results have been lackluster they need one more year to prove their worth…A lot can still happen. Add Ricky Rubio, a top 3 pick, and another solid veteran with beasley, love, webster, johnson…that looks like something i would defintly look forward to.
- I guess what i’m saying is yeah…i understand the frustration as i watched in agony many t-wolves games this year…but don’t pull the plug now…atleast on kahn…he missed on curry but have we given him a fair chance? It’s not his fault rubio changed his mind on playing in the nba…people are forgetting we are still in a good position for the future, cap room, we are the youngest team in the nba, ect. I just think we should atleast give kahn one more year to let this play out…let him build a team and then we can decide…

by akmaymn on Apr 15, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

They didn't show that Kings sign off on league pass, pity...

Anyway, a compelling post about one of the most epically terrible years in NBA history, closing with 15 beats and counting. I don’t Rambis is the problem, I don’t think Rambis was ever the problem. It starts with David Kahn — and I DO need to find that press conference, it’s already becoming legendary.

I’d be happy to rebuild this team for y’all as your new GM. I work cheap.

Here we go:

Beasley is a loser in multiple senses (I loved him screaming at teammates, that should tell you everything) and needs to be moved to the first GM dumb enough to swap two legitimate starters for this scoring sensation. Phoenix is good to steal from and the Kings are pretty damned dumb, that’s where I’d be looking. They need somebody to start next to DeMarcus Cousins — who better, I ask, who better?

Number 2, the team needs to cut bait on Ricky Rubio’s draft rights. He’s not coming. Ever. Get what can be gotten.

Jonny Flynn and Telfair are both terrible and need to be made gotten gone.

Lottery pick should be the best 2-guard available, with character figuring into the equation.

That’s a start to the rebuild.

But seriously: David Kahn out. Kevin Pritchard in. You’ve got another Blazer-rebuild situation on your hands.

Thanks to Mr. Pop & the crew for an entertaining blog.

over and out,

timbo

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Apr 14, 2011 5:09 PM CDT reply actions  

What have the Kings done that's so stupid?

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Apr 15, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

No thanks to Pritchard

Word from Portland is that his communication skills and ego are the equal or better of Kahn’s. I’ll admit that his personnel assessment skills are quite good, but really who on this site doesn’t believe that using SnP’s draft analysis and Tim Allen’s current player ratings wouldn’t produce a playoff team in 3-4 years?
 Even though I also believe in unicorns, I’m being quite realistic in proposing a CH editorial staff takeover of the FO would be in the best interests of the team and the fanbase. Hoopers to the rescue!

Smug liberal elitist Uptown hipster since last week...

by Dogpile on Apr 14, 2011 8:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd take hubris from Pritchard on a 3-year contract.

He might not last forever, but he’d pile up young talent. So maybe he’s not a championship GM, long term. There’s a role for different traits.

Never gonna happen for Glen, of course. (But then if I read Glen right, Kahn’s press conference is just about tantamount to the way Pritch and Tom Penn played the Wolves two years back, in terms of the morality play of the thing… Bright side.)

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 14, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any thoughts on Randy Pfund?

"I don't use cliches, and I'm not about to change horses in mid-stream".

by Tangerine dream on Apr 15, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know the first thing..

..about what happened with that guy. I know Lindsey ran for the door after getting a read on Moor, but I don’t know what happened with Pfund. I know there are only 30 of these jobs in the league, but I think it says a lot about Taylor and Moor that they hired a guy that nobody (and I mean literally, nobody) else was thinking about. That’s how crazy this job is. They have to take guys like Kahn and if he really does come back, I think it’s safe to say that nobody else wants the job in the madhouse. Think about it, next year, they have no first round pick. They will likely have no Kevin Love after he doesn’t resign. There could be a lockout, no Rubio, and Clippergeddon. That’s insane. I think they’re looking at starting over at least in 2013. I’m not one for conspiracy theory, but I think a case could be made that Kahn is here to tank the team in order for a sale/contraction. I think he’s simply historically bad, but I could see where people are coming from with the conspiracy angle.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 15, 2011 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know for certain he wanted the job

He was compensated nicely in Miami. It may have been purely financial.

"I don't use cliches, and I'm not about to change horses in mid-stream".

by Tangerine dream on Apr 15, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did we ever even have a real word from the Wolves about Pfund?

It played a bit like McHale’s potential interest in the Bulls job last offseason. Pfund got himself interviewed, but active interest from the team was never really clear.

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 16, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've heard otherwise

That description of Pritchard was explicitly debunked, by a guest on a B.S. Report, iirc. A lot of the details are hazy, but I remember that Pritchard neither invented nor ever really liked the “Pritch slapped” meme, that he was generally well-liked by his staff and around the league, and that a lot of that reputation came directly from the Portland higher ups who were jealous of his growing reputation.

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Apr 15, 2011 5:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Went looking for a nice talk Pritchard gave about collaboration between different scouting approaches, and hit this:
February 2008: This season sees the Blazers having the youngest line-up in the league (average age 23.9), being assembled by the youngest general manager in the NBA, Kevin Pritchard (40)…

Pritchard has shuffled the deck, dealt most of the cards that former GM John Nash gave him and in the process, has nearly removed the painful memory of the Bob Whitsitt built “Jail Blazer” teams of the past. Where Nash embodied more of a traditional general manager, Pritchard is new school, using his scouting and player development talents along with, as he says, "extensive" use of statistical analysis, something that Blazers owner, and technology maven, Paul Allen buys into.

Pritchard was hired by the Blazers in 2004 as the Director of Player Personnel after spending a year and a half with the San Antonio Spurs. Prior to that, he spent three years with the Kansas City Knights of the ABA where he served as the team’s general manager, head coach and director of player personnel. During the 2000-2001 season, Pritchard had seven players promoted to the NBA.

It’s like he’s the good version: The minor league background (only he actually knew the talent and had a proven record), the use of assets from the previous regime to assemble the youngest roster in the league… One big difference being that he didn’t turn up his nose at the numbers.

Shucks.

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 15, 2011 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

But hey

He is available. We can dream.

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Apr 15, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

My understanding...

…is that Papa Glen hates both Tom Penn and Pritchard for using the Wolves to get a raise in Portland and that he even could have gone to Paul Allen with info about the mess that sealed Pritchard’s fate as Blazers GM.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 15, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

That sounds about right to me.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Apr 15, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could have been.

Just how far afield was our press conference this last week from the sort of stuff Penn and Pritchard supposedly pulled, though?

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 16, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also . . .

how far afield was that press conference from the sort of stuff Penn and Teller might be comfortable airing?

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Apr 16, 2011 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the important question

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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 17, 2011 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it was worse..

…but I think Glen is something like a serial killer in that he has something of a code by which interactions with other people are judged/processed. Instead of the Code of Harry, the Code of Papa Glen doesn’t involve sharp objects.

That's Mr. Downer to you.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 17, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm late to the feel-good-about-being-depressed party

And as is often the case, I’m commenting on a post that is past its peak activity period. I kind of prefer it that way. I get less interaction, but I get the chance to read the chains of comments after they’ve already resolved. One of the best things about Canis Hoopus, for me, is that the FanPosts here are like icebergs. The FanPost itself is the part that sticks out of the water. and beneath it is 5x as much content in the form of the whole community discussing the content and expanding it to whole new levels.

There’s just so much content on this blog. Imagine what will happen if this team ever gets good.

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Apr 15, 2011 6:09 AM CDT reply actions  

If this team gets good

I predict this the quantity of posting may overwhelm the quality of the posting.

I haven't written an insightful post in years.

by littleboxes on Apr 15, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're probably right

but you shouldn’t be too concerned. :D :(

If it wasn't for Jordan Farmar and that guy Kevin Love, I would've killed somebody!

by John Doe on Apr 15, 2011 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's what I think might happen--in a classic Glen Taylor manuever

He won’t fire Kahn. But, mumbling something incoherent about “getting David some help,” he’ll bring in someone new for the front office who theoretically is below Kahn but reports straight to Moor/Taylor. Thus confusing the leadership structure and creating more tension and confusion in the organization.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Apr 15, 2011 6:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Like McHale being given help in the form of the meant-to-be-more-cap-savvy exec.

Yeah, that’s not a bad call.

Honestly, too, it was the resulting ten-headed front office that disagreed in awkward ways – Hoiberg’s Mayo announcement – but made some pretty shrewd moves.

Kahn’s ability to work in that setting would be peculiar to witness.

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 15, 2011 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

another committee, ugh

I don’t like trying to crawl into Taylor’s head. And if I really was good at it, maybe I’d also be a billionaire.

But, Taylor did burn down the last committee and bring in an outside person to run things solo. I see two possiblities

1. he already decided committees don’t work and that the team needs an outside voice. he sees that he hired a bad outside voice and that he needs to make even more changes in order to make some damn money

2. he decides that the outside voice maneuver (i.e., Kahn hire) did not work. That the committee was, in hindsight, not too bad and that he needs another committee not another outside voice. Because, really, how can you know you can trust an outside voice? Taylor got burned by outside voices: Kahn and Penn. So he’ll stay internal.

I’m going with option 2 as the most likely and option 1 as the best possible. Given that this is the Twolves, I predict (in my tautology) that the most likely outcome will occur.
Rob Babcock! Former GM is now the new GM.

I haven't written an insightful post in years.

by littleboxes on Apr 15, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I spotted Babcock wandering the hallways on Wednesday night.

Your prediction could sadly come true.
Please, God, no.

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by HumdingerTV on Apr 15, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

scary

I haven't written an insightful post in years.

by littleboxes on Apr 16, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

That's Mr. Downer to you.
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by Stop-n-Pop on Apr 15, 2011 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great write up

The only thing I beg to differ with is your praise of Mike Rylander.
I like him on a personal level, and follow him on Twitter.
But, he always had an “I’m a little too cool for this” air about him on the court.
For an actor, he didn’t always do a great job of selling it.
B. Wright from 96.3 became the third member of the team this year, and all of my season ticket holding buddies agreed that he was WAY better than Rylander.

Natalie, on the other hand….
Hummanuh, Hummanuh.

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by HumdingerTV on Apr 15, 2011 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Anyone know if Jim Lynum is still consulting for the Twolves? Lot of good that did.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/116514048.html

“There is no more rebuilding, there are no more wholesale changes, there is not going to be another plan,” Kahn said. "This is it, and I believe passionately that it will work, that we will be a very good team in the next few years. I like the direction we’re heading. I like a lot of players on the team, and I expect them to be here for a long time.
Kahn said he has never once considered — “absolutely not,” he said — replacing Rambis.

Time to reconsider those thoughts.

by Dewmeister on Apr 15, 2011 3:24 PM CDT reply actions  

The team and environment has declined since those comments

And keep in mind what Kahn was saying about talent. No more rebuilding doesn’t equate to finished product. The plan is in place. But the plan included only 25-30 wins this year. The players in place should have been able to accomplish that goal. The season was a gradual deterioration until a complete disinigration.
There are certainly pieces which need to be added (a two would dramatically change the dynamic) but with Love, Beasely, Wes, AR, Tolliver and even Webster there is a substantial foundation. The back up pg is in place. If Kyrie is drafted and Rubio/ Beast moved for a star 2g there will be much to be excited about. A coaching change could also make an immediate impact.
The way the season ended makes it easy to feel sick to your stomach but there are several coaches, Popovich included that lauded the young talent. Seems like years though since those blown wins v SA.

"I don't use cliches, and I'm not about to change horses in mid-stream".

by Tangerine dream on Apr 15, 2011 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I think that was Lynum at the last game with the bad over his head.

"I don't use cliches, and I'm not about to change horses in mid-stream".

by Tangerine dream on Apr 15, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

bag

"I don't use cliches, and I'm not about to change horses in mid-stream".

by Tangerine dream on Apr 15, 2011 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Bad over his head" made sense to us.

It is when we are unsure that we are doubly sure. – RN

by feral on Apr 16, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Deep Thoughts

If God sent his son Jesus to teach the world about God’s love, is David Kahn God’s screw-up nephew, sent to teach us how silly it is to care about sports?

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by HumdingerTV on Apr 15, 2011 4:36 PM CDT reply actions  

And if that's the case

will this second lesson result in the same kind of abject failure as the first one did?

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Apr 15, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes.

We never learn.

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by HumdingerTV on Apr 15, 2011 8:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bahaha.

This post was amazing! This is by far my favorite blog besides SLC Dunk. Those flowcharts…pure genius, my friends, pure genius.

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by DWest on Apr 18, 2011 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

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