Why Rambis will be our coach in 2012.
So I know there is nothing but Rambis hate out there right now, but I am quite certain that we're in for another season of Rambis-ball next year. Here's is how the scene has played out in my mind and some points I believe to be true:
1. Kurt Rambis has been doing what Glen Taylor and David Kahn told him he could do.
First, these two told Rambis "Hey, this first year is business. We have to clean up our cap situation and we know we already got some players you aren't interested in, but see what you can make out of them. Next year will be your team."
That was year one.
Second, it went more like this "We got you some of the players you were high on, and all of them are young. We know that probably means the team will struggle a bit, but don't worry, its really about finding the core unit of our group and teaching them your system. We want to win, but we want to build this team the right way first. Do your best."
I think year three looks like this.
"Well we have our core team, we got Rubio and a few new vets. Its time to push for the playoffs or else everyone is getting fired."
2. Glen Taylor doesn't give up on personnel easily.
Let's be honest. Taylor hand selected Kahn, and Kahn picked Rambis. None of these guys are interested in giving up on each other just yet.
3. There is some legitimacy in saying this was Rambis' first real year.
Last year was a joke of a team that was purely put together as a rag-tag group of cheap vets that may have been undervalued. None of them were of course as most of them are out of the NBA. That's Kahn's bad. This year has sucked and sucked with Rambis' desired players so this year is Rambis' bad. Still, if I'm Glen Taylor I absolutely give this team (a team that still has a very high potential ceiling if they can figure out defense and get a starting point guard) one more year to look NBA ready. If I fired Rambis now everyone loses, including the fans who have to sit through more transition period.
4. Its a pathetic excuse but it doesn't make it less true. This team was bit hard by the injury bug.
Almost all of our best players this year have dealt with some major time consuming injuries and illnesses. Every team deals with it, but it was comical at times. Wes gets hurt in the summer. Flynn doesn't heal very well. Beasley plays on a bad ankle for 2 months. Darko is constantly hurting himself. Ridnour deals with a hammy. Pek gets hurt. And let's not forget, maybe the biggest one in Martell Webster needing back surgery. Martell has been showing lately what he could have been all year as far as solid scoring and defense are concerned, but instead he's only come one in these last few garbage games.
So folks, step into Glen Taylor's shoes and think about firing Kurt Rambis. If you think he'll do it just because the fans are mad, think again. My honest opinion is that next year is judgment year. I highly doubt there will be a work stoppage. I genuinely think Rubio will play for us in 2012, and along with one of the top 4 players in this years draft and likely one competent veteran, this will be a team looking to make the playoffs. If we fall anywhere short of being a competitive team for the 8th playoff spot, or at least that we're right on the cusp, then the big heads of Kahn and Rambis will roll.
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I do not disagree with this, unfortunately. From the business side of things, one more year with Rambis makes sense. Nice write up.
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Are they going through transition years with new coaches? Rambis has actually gotten this team worse with a supposedly better roster… How is it better to keep him? Because he’s been here for two years and we don’t want to be labeled “transition” team? I’d rather be labeled that with a site to the future than keep him and be looked at as the worst team in the nba with no chance of getting better.
I think #2 may not be true this time
I think Glen is sensitive to the fact that he gave McHale too long of a leash last time, and will be quicker to make a change IF he can make it work financially (that’s a big if, obviously).
Typically, that’s the way bad owners work — they ping-pong back and forth. Replace a “player’s coach” with a “hard-nosed disciplinarian”. Give someone a long leash, then jerk the next guy around.
i thought much the same way just 6 weeks ago...
but after the “not buying-in” comments from the players and the sources saying how minority owners are restless, it got me thinking otherwise… i think its a coin flip he’s back.
perhaps the tipping point may be if they have one candidate they desperately want to bring in….
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Apr 8, 2011 10:44 AM CDT reply actions
Hopefully a certian Jerry Sloan
I'm Trill, I'm running w/ the WOLVES
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Apr 8, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
lets hope its not
Calipari
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Apr 8, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you are right
Rambis will start as coach next year, but the hook will be fast if the team doesn’t play better right away. I see him getting 20 to maybe 30 games to show significant improvement.
Frankly I don’t see Rambis turning this thing around in time to save his job. I’ve been really disappointed with the lack of meaningful improvement over the season.
the other side
of the coin flip…i agree.
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Apr 8, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
This would be the worst possible approach
which is why it’s probably what will happen. We’ll spend two-thirds of next season with an interim coach who may not keep his job instead of going out and finding the right guy this offseason. Clippergeddon ahoy!
I also think you're right
and Love and Tolliver speaking up on Rambis’s behalf makes me think that many of our losses may have indeed stemmed from freelancers who wouldn’t/couldn’t stick to the game plan. In particular, I question whether Flynn EVER stuck to the game plan.
I like the pieces we’ve got once we fix the PG situation. Ridnour’s good enough to be the backup PG on a championship team, we just need a world beater at the point and I think we’ve got a very competitive team.
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I would agree with you ,
except that at this point it doesn’t help Flynn’s trade value to publicly demonize him. I think this team is going to bail on Jonny Flynn hard. We won’t even get the trade value for him that we could have gotten last year, and its sad, but we have to part ways.
These buy-in comments are definitely disturbing to me, and I’m quicker to blame players than I am to blame Rambis. The fact that Love, Tolliver and Webster seem to be adamantly in Rambis’ corner, and don’t sound like they’re faking it makes me think guys like Flynn, maybe Wes, and maybe Beasley are the ones who are really tanking it right now. They’re the ones with the biggest lack of focus. Darko too, but I put him in a separate category because he’s Darko.
It may well be that we end up trading Flynn and Wes and maybe Beasley too if we can’t get through to them. I would gladly give them up for one elite veteran. Basketball is a team sport, and if they can’t deal with that, then they need to go.
Manna? More like Man o' war!!
this franchise
has to be highly combustible internally right now…while seeming to be in relative harmony.
so many directions to take this thing, each requiring some leadership to move it in that direction.
and if they fail…it’s gotta be all on Glen Taylor, all of it.
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Apr 8, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think we'll get squat for Flynn
for a guy who was picked for his ‘tude, he certainly turned moody on us. I think the truth is that you can’t gut it out in the NBA unless you’re a big, and even then you need more talent than Flynn brought with him.
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I agree with you
in that a lot of fans do not take into account the many injuries that occured, many at times when the Wolves seemed to be startng to play well. Another thing I fully agree with is that Webster, in the pre-season and at the start of the year did very well, but then his back went out and he did not return to form until the last couple of weeks. I still think Webster is an excellent acquisition. I also think Randolph is very good acquisition.
I also think the Wolves have a good young core to build upon, and that they need a veteran or two that knows how to win. I do not know if any would be untouchable, but the players that I would try to keep and build upon are Love, Tolliver, Webster, Randolph, and Darko (only because his contract is a good one and if we could get a better center he would be a very good back up). If we could get Irving in the draft, I would trade Rubio and if not, he also would be one I would try to keep.
As for the Coach, If we keep Rambis then we need to add a defensive assistant coach. If Rambis is let go then Sloan would be a very good choice, as would casey but no college coach (and not Sampson).
You're right
That’s what Taylor is probably thinking. And it’s wrong, because while losses may be excusable, there’s nothing to suggest development. Rambis had the reputation as a defensive coach. At some point, a coach is responsible for the freelancing. Tolliver’s statement about them doing the same thing over and over sounds like more of an indictment of Rambis than a defense.
One reason he might can Rambis is just to do something, anything, to give potential ticket buyers . Maybe they figure the draft pick will do that. Or that the season won’t start on time, when it does new payroll rules will help them, and maybe in season-opening chaos some free agent will forget team history and geography and sign here.
Sloan? Really?
Reading the analysis after his departure, I didn’t get the impression he’s on top of his game, or of the game. And the Jazz weren’t known for stalwart defense.
Sloan has physically looked at the end of his rope since back before Stockton and Malone got them to the Finals. Imagine him trying to get through to B-Easy. Imagine him in a room with Kahn. He’s great, a legend, but geez.
You are right that Rambis will stay, but it's in poor taste.
It’s like saying you’ll probably die of heart disease, cancer, or an infection.
Have a nice day : )

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