Please Kahn, For Once Take the Best Player..
First off Corey Brewer has 2 NCAA titles and 1 NBA Championship to his credentials, now that I have your attention I would like to share my opinion on the Wolves and their upcoming 2nd pick of this year's draft. keep in mind this is only one man's opinion, and I am just trying to more or less see what other Wolf fan's opinions are slash try to change the some minds.
Why are we so ready to give up the 2nd pick in a two player draft? I'm really confused by this! To say that we need to draft according to needs just about boggles my mind. We were 17-65 last year with in my opinion pretty good talent, something didn't mesh. I am big on the whole Rambis is a terrible coach thing as well, and do not think they should have been running a triangle offense, but you cannot teach defense and the Wolves had zero D. In my opinion every spot on the floor is up for grabs except for PG because of Rubio. I am not saying that Rubio is going to come in and instantly change things, but you know he is going to get a ton of exceptions because he is part of Kahn's master plan. I think that if Kahn ended his career today (a boy can dream) his legacy would consist of many mistakes and then stealing Beasley for a second round pick. From watching last years season there is no doubt that this boy can play and he is really fun to watch. I would never want to give up on him because there were flashes of pure dominance in his game and he is still really young. I also saw some brilliance from Anthony Randolph last year, which would be another Kahn move that I actually didn't SMH to mainly because I have been a huge Corey Brewer hater since about 2009. So obviously we have some talent in the area of the 3 and 4 position, and the potential is to the extreme, but are these the players that are gonna turn around the franchise? from the looks of last year, no!
Maybe the final straw for me was the Sport Science episode recently played with Derrick Williams on, in which they compared his jump shot to Kevin Durant. Or maybe I am just a firm believer that every team should draft the BPA in any sport, does not matter what the situation is. But I think passing up on D-Will will be a huge mistake for this franchise. I get that trading the pick for a "franchise player" would be more than ideal, but who is out there? Iggy? Granger? These are good basketball players, do not get me wrong, but what have they done so far for their organizations, a couple playoff appearances here and there? They are basketball players, sure, but they are not winners. And who is to say that any of these players would ever come play for (according to ESPN the Magazine) the 5th worst franchise in all of the 4 major sports organizations. I hate when people say that Derrick Williams is a PF because he is 6'9", I also hate when people call Beasley a PF they are both way to athletic for that position. They are both above average ball handlers and are both great at slashing to the basket. Anthony Randolph is PF, Kevin Love is PF but that's only because he is tiny and has zero leaping ability and would get dominated by every decent center in the league. One thing that I cannot stand about Beasley is the game has to move around him, he is nothing without the basketball. If you have ever seen Kevin Durant (6'11" SF) play basketball, he is constantly moving without the basketball. I think that Williams can be this type of player, super fast for his size, crazy leaping ability, and a very quick and accurate jump shot, not to mention his range. I also think that Beasley and Williams can play together especially with Rubio. Rubio is going to be a player that slashes to the basket and then dishes the ball to either a perimeter shooter or a big guy underneath the basket. All I know is that having 2 big targets that can play both on the perimeter and underneath the basket seem pretty intriguing to me.
All I am saying is that it is extremely worth seeing what kind of player D-Will can be, and if he can live up to his potential. So please David, draft this kid! I had to cut this short because I am in a hurry. What are your opinions on this?
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Selecting the BPA is easy...
Identifying the BPA is much more difficult.
There are a lot of reasons why people don’t see Derrick Williams as a clear BPA kind of player.
by vjl110 on Jun 16, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
That is exactly what I was going to say.
I am not at all convinced that Derrick Williams is or should be considered BPA at 2. The primary problem is that he could well be… or he could be 4th or 5th.
by Krotz the Wall on Jun 16, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on...did you really not know what he was trying to say?
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jun 16, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I got it.
He said always select the BPA rather than going with fit. He also said that Williams is the BPA. I agree with the first statement, but not the second.
There has been a consistent pattern of anyone who supports Williams with the #2 leaning hard on the BPA argument. It sets up the straw-man that people who don’t want to go with Williams must think fit trumps BPA. I don’t think this is a 2-player draft. I think it is a 1-player draft, and Williams is in a big and muddled 2nd tier of prospects. I am not alone.
by vjl110 on Jun 16, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
No I'm sure you're not alone,
you’re just the minority. Most people call this a clear 1-2 draft, that’s all.
But at least we all agree that BPA should be chosen. And if somebody believes Biyombo is BPA at #2, bless their heart.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jun 16, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
No doubt it is a minority opinion...
but given the quality of most basketball analysis, I am cool with that.
When BPA means draft who you think will be the best NBA player I am all for it. When it means, draft who ESPN thinks will be the best player, I have no respect for it.
BTW, there is absolutely a legitimate argument for D-Will as the #2… I just think it is inferior to the argument for Biyombo and Val.
by vjl110 on Jun 16, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't realize you wanted Biyombo at 2.
Or I wouldn’t have said “bless their heart” so condescendingly. My bad lol.
I’d be happy with you guys picking Biyombo @ 2.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jun 16, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
I’m pretty sure Canis Hoopus is the only place where anyone sees Biyombo as the 2nd best prospect, but it is certainly a popular theme around here. His ACB numbers are awesome, his NHS performance was awesome, his physical profile is without peer, he has a great attitude about basketball, coaches seem to fall in love with him…
We will see how things play out three years from now.
by vjl110 on Jun 16, 2011 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think so..
but my sense is that the more vocal members of the community would be split between Biyombo and Williams at the 2.
I've been back and forth on Jonas.
His contract is my major concern. We CANNOT suffer/wait another 1-3 years with Clippergeddon coming.
It’s also part of the reason Biyombo scares me. He’s young and won’t contribute to a lot of wins, starting next year. Williams and Kanter seem better in this regard. 3 years from now? Who knows.
If we're really thinking about Kanter
then we might as well just move Love to Center and draft Williams to be our PF. Kanter is not a defender and Williams is a better prospect.
For the loser now
Will be later to win
How do you know
that he is not a defender? He could be a bad defender. He could be a so-so defender. He could be a good defender. He is only 19 or 20 years old. I am not saying he will, but could he not improve his defensive abilities. He is big and by all accounts, has very good offensive skills. I am not as opposed to Kanter as some. As I said he is a big and we need a big. As the team now stands, I think Kanter would not be a bad choice.
People that actually have scouted him in the past
all say he is not a defender. Even saying he is “disinterested” in that part of the game. Kanter = Big Al Jeff part deux. He has a crap wingspan and average athleticism. It will be a small miracle if Kanter is even a solid defender.
For the loser now
Will be later to win
Ok
Sad to see that the only position that is not up for grabs (in your opinion) is PG and Rubio. Are you kidding, LOVE was an ALL-STAR last year and by far the BEST player that we have.
But I agree! DW is by far the BPA if he is their at 2. watch for yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjXBQDsTTug
Don’t pull a PORTLAND and take Sam Bowie because it was a need and you had Drexler who played the same position. HELLO you passed on JORDAN, worst Draft debockle of all time. Not saying that DW will be Jordan by any strech of the imagination, but you get my point. Don’t tell me you can’t rotate, Love, Beasley, and DW just think about the athletes on the floor and the depth on the Bench.
smh
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jun 16, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
The Bowie premise....
That was a big blunder and thye went for need……but what about when teams basically regarded Darko or Olawakandi as the BPA? Derrick Williams as the pick on a team with a bunch of forwards only makes sense if you can turn around and get need for trading one of those forwards. If the Wolves think they can do that, great. But if you put in Williams for Beasley you basically have the same product you had last year plus Rubio.
If Williams is the pick, they have to have a plan for how to handle his minutes and get some kind of value for Johnson,Beasley, Randolph or whomever they have that somebody might be interested.
Rubio is not a sure thing (although I hope he is a solid upgrade) so if we are going to pick another forward this team will not get significantly better until they can also upgrade center or shooting guard. And next year we have no pick.
by Darth Tugits on Jun 16, 2011 2:30 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ok, It seems to
Kanter measured in height at 6’9.75" without shoes and 6’11.25" with shoes. He weighed in at 259.2 pounds and measured a wing span of 7’1.5". What team wouldn’t want a player like that?
The player who was stuck on the sidelines at Kentucky last season because he was ruled ineligible, measured out quite well, standing 6-foot-11 ¼ in shoes and weighing in at 259 pounds while proving to be incredibly well-conditioned. His body fat was just 5.9 percent, or a little more than half of expected No. 1 pick and former Duke point guard Kyrie Irving (10.2).
He lasted approximately 21 minutes on a brutal treadmill test that includes steep inclines, declines and sprints, putting himself atop the big man class when it comes to being dedicated about his body.
He went 21-plus minutes on the treadmill test, and only five guys — plus Enes — [did that] and four of them were guards," Ergul told SI.com. "[NBA officials] said that was the first time in the draft in modern history that had happened, that no 6-11-plus guys ever finished 21-minutes-plus on the treadmill test
ESPN: Scouts believe Kanter is NBA-ready. His body is pretty mature. He’s strong and isn’t afraid to play physical basketball. And he’s highly skilled for a big man. Scouts said they thought he was more NBA-ready than Greg Monroe, Ed Davis or Cole Aldrich … all of whom went in the lottery in a stronger draft.
2011 NBA Draft Scouting Report: Enes Kanter Summary: Despite being ruled ineligible at Kentucky this past season, Enes Kanter remains the best big man prospect in the 2011 NBA Draft class. He possesses the size and post game of someone well beyond his years and should be a top-five pick come June.
Player Comparison: Tim Duncan. Before I get lit up for this comparison, I am in no way implying that Kanter is going to be the next Tim Duncan, but rather the two have fairly similar games. Like the Big Fundamental, Kanter shows great maturity at a young age, ability to rebound, mid-range game and intelligence.
Duncan has never been by any stretch of the imagination one of the most athletic big men around, and neither will Kanter, but still maximizes the abilities that have made him one of the top post players in the league for more than a decade. Kanter will likely never be in that category, but should be a quality big man for years to come.
Sorry, I messed up on my previous post.
I intended to say at the beginning of that post that yes, there are legitimate concerns about kanter as there are about all of them. However, many seem to focus on these concerns and on the negative and fail to at least look at the positives and the potential of such a young player as Kanter.
So, in the post I copied and pasted some positive observations. I know full well that there are negatives out there and they should be considered. I just think the positves need to be looked at as well.
Again, sorry I messed up.
Here are the #2 overall picks since the turn of the century:
‘10 Evan Turner
’’09 Hasheem Thabeet
’08 Michael Beasley
’07 Kevin Durant
’06 LMA
’05 Marvin Williams
’04 Emeka Okafur
’03 Darko Milicic
’02 Jay Williams
’01 Tyson Chandler
’00 Stromile Swift
I’m fairly certain in June of those respective years, all these guys were considered the BPA. And yes, sometimes those were simply dumb teams making dumb decisions, but last I checked over at 600 First Avenue…
...so long as they get a real guard
Yep, as vjl said, picking the BPA is easy, identifying him is hard
Of those #2 picks, the only one that is a top 1 or 2 talent is Durant.
Which says to me, that it might not be stupid to at least consider need when drafting. The only thing we know for sure is that we really don’t know who the BPA is at #2, luck plays a big part. Of course, better analysis, like SnP does, helps. That is where we need to focus some effort.
It would be interesting to see the top 5 players drafted in each of those years, and see which slot yielded the best payer
Jay Williams was going to be a stud.
Unfortunately for Chicago he made a poor decision off of the court and it ruined a promising career. If he hadn’t injured himself in a motorcycle accident he had the acumen to be on the level of Derrick Rose, Deron Williams, or John Wall.
Toddler Riley Scientist
BPA's not so much
Thabeet – no way he was BPA, Thabeet was drafted on size alone
Marvin Williams – Drafted on pure potential, wasn’t even the BPA from his school
Darko – no one had darko ahead of Carmelo on their board they were purely drafting on needs, somehow paid off that year I think they would take melo or wade if they could do it over though
Jay Williams – was the BPA
Tyson Chandler – There were tons of mistakes in this draft
Swift – drafted ahead of Darius Miles (the BPA) no comment!
Hindsight is a stinky cologne
or something like that…
Derrick Williams is going to Bust...as a Small Forward.
Wow, you are a marketing genius!
A cologne name Hindsight would be awesome, especially if it were stinky.
In some circles, anyway…
You should trademark that.
Looks like it's available
However “In Hindsight – It’s your duty to check your booty” is already trademarked
Derrick Williams is going to Bust...as a Small Forward.
Tyson Chandler is Dirks MVP
13 points 12 rebounds per 36 and .654 shooting percentage. Of course he’s nobody to ESPN because he doesn’t score enough Just plays really good D and has had a solid career and high wins produced.

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