Trade Proposal (Three way between LAL-MIN-PHI).
Hey guys, Lakers fan here. I don't know about you guys, but this time every year, in the weeks leading up to the draft, when the NBA media goes TMZ and spits out rumors left and right, I happen to have a love-hate relationship with it. On the one hand, I just love hearing these rumors and thinking about them and breaking them down.. but on the other hand, it gets to a point where some ridiculous rumors get tossed out, and you know that 98% of them fade after a few days and just don't want to bother wasting time on some of them.
Being that as it may, I was just thinking about some of the (many) rumors regarding the Lakers (and, as a bonus, NOT involving D12!11!11!!1), and put together this hypothetical three way based on some of these rumors. As it involved your team, I wanted your thoughts on it and what position of strength/weakness you guys are operating from heading into the draft and, hopefully not lengthy, offseason.
Part 1 of Trade
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6kyhgzj
LAL gets: Andre Iguodala, Martell Webster, Darko, Michael Beasley, and Jonny Flynn. (I'm tempted to try to hypothetically pry Jodie Meeks since we desperately need a shooter, but I think he's pretty important to PHI, yeah?)
PHI gets: Ron Artest, Lamar Odom
MIN gets: Pau Gasol
Part 2 of Trade
PHI gets: The 2nd overall pick (presumably Derrick Williams? Kanter?)
MIN gets: Thaddeus Young
Caveat: TY is a RFA, so, this would have to be a sign-and-trade? Someone enlighten me, as I'm not all clear on how this would be affected, if at all, by the CBA-Godzilla rampaging the NBA landscape.
Why LAL does this trade:
1) Because the Lakers get deeper and younger
2) Webster and a much more comfortable Steve Blake would provide shooting (and even more so if we somehow got Meeks)
3) We address a need at PG with Flynn
Potential Obstacle to LAL pulling trigger? Taking on more salaries, contracts, and basically, almost completely rehauling the team. A overhaul and change in course that would go against much of the rhetoric put out there by multiple officials, players, etc involved with the team.
Why PHI does this trade:
1) You guys get two proven, solid, veterans that will help now and can help bridge the gap when the young studs are ready to take over. Artest, granted, is not what he used to be, but he's still one of the better defenders in the league, and I'm of the school of thought that playing out of the triangle will do wonders for his offense. Lamar Odom would provide a lot of the versatility Iguodala would leave behind, could start or come off the bench and do everything else in-between.
2) I don't know how much you guys trust in Turner, but Iguodala being traded would thus open up big minutes for Turner to take a step forward. I don't know that much about Turner, so this could very well be as much a reason to NOT trade AI2.
3) If that Young for the #2 swap is feasible/happens, PHI now has another young stud to build the future around.
Potential Obstacle to PHI pulling trigger? Perhaps there are better trade offers out there. Even with the possibility of an amnesty clause, Ron Artest's contract still not being worth it. Losing their best shooter if they do trade Meeks.
Why MIN does this trade:
1) Kahn has to win NOW. (Save his job, save face by not letting their 2012 pick the Clips have become a top pick, etc)
2) That whole rhetoric about the Rubio-Pau-Spain connection.
3) MIN is a CLE selection of Williams away from finding themselves between a rock and a hard place. We all know they'd much rather have Williams than Irving, and by trading this pick for Thaddeus Young (who probably would have been a top 3, 5 pick in this year's draft), they're avoiding that danger in addition to getting a fine young slasher to add to a core of Rubio-Johnson-Love-Gasol.
Potential Obstacle to MIN pulling trigger? If Thaddeus Young refuses to be signed-and-dealt to MIN, and/or if David Kahn continues to be David Kahn. Maybe there's a slight concern about the roster becoming thinner, but I think that nice core could attract a few solid free agents.
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I couldn't vote....
It’d be awful for all parties, especially the Wolves.
Isn't that funny?
Somehow, this trade makes no sense for anyone involved. Somehow, even team is getting ripped off.
Our roster isn't the best granted,
but seriously, a 31 year old center on a very rich contract and a RFA very green SF for half our roster AND the #2 pick?
No Thanks….
Timberwolves 2011:
Kahnceptual Performance Art
Iguodala to MN
Milicic, Flynn, Ellington, Hayward and #2 to LA
Odom and Barnes to Phil.
So each team gets a major player, with some fairly inexpensive filler thrown in to make it work.
Two of them are negative for wins and two hardly get off the bench. It doesn’t have to be these exact players, but we need some outgoing salary and LA needs some incoming salary. Iguodala is the best proven player in the transaction. I’m not saying this is a great trade, but it’s reasonably fair.
Don’t think it’s AS lobsided as others say but I do agree that I wouldn’t do it as a T-wolf.
Fact is that we are hoping that #2 in itself will eventually bring us a Pau Gasol quality player, or at least somewhere near that.
If you want to know, you should check out SnP’s latest post about the draft. He explains very clearly there why trading for a star that was signed under the current CBA structure is less interesting compared to just drafting #2.
sbjake?
I'm Trill, I'm running w/ the WOLVES
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jun 23, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
So
I am a Timberwolves fan first, but I am also a huge Lakers fan. I have been reading the Lakers Blogs the last few days, and it has been abundantly clear that other Lakers fans clearly and extremely OVER-VALUE their players. I even saw one trade proposal that had us giving up the #2, Darko, Johnny Flynn, Webster, and Kevin Love for…wait for it…Pau Gasol. Yup thats it, just Pau. Im pretty sure Lakers fans really LOVE meth or something because they would have to be on it to think some of these things are realistic. I mean I thought we were giving up far to much when the rumor was just Love and the #2 for Pau. In fact, considering his age and contract, Im not sure I would trade Love, for Pau straight up. The #2 and a role Player, Flynn for example, for Pau, sure, but you guys are crazy if you think your players have all this crazy value. Tell me historically when a player coming from a Championship team has ever lead another team to a Championship? Not even Jordan could lead a bad team to a Championship.
You guys act like your players s#i# Gold bars or something, its sick, and you all are deluded.
I'm a half an hour outside of LA right now.
Went to play ball this afternoon and ran into a couple Lakers fans who claimed Pau > Dirk.
Their argument: (1) Pau is better because he helped lead the Lakers to championships and (2) Dirk is a player you can’t win with and they only won it this year because Tyson Chandler brought some “toughness” to the Mavs… insane.
When I made the point you did above about how MN probably wouldn’t trade Love straight up for Pau I think their minds exploded. These people have no clue.
Wait...
So we give up Webster, Darko, Beasley, Flynn, and the 2. For Pau and TY?
lol

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