Why Rambis Has Not Been Fired
by Andy G on Jul 1, 2011 11:39 AM CDT
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Henry Abbott's Friday Lockout Bullets got me thinking about why Rambis hasn't been fired.
NBA coaches or employees can't have any contact with players. Got to believe that's a major boon for unemployed coaches (right this way, Larry Brown!) and unaffiliated private trainers and the like. Serious players will be seeking out serious help.
Right now and for the foreseeable future, teams cannot have contact with players. Coaches cannot coach players. Or else:
Teams were told by the NBA front office that any violation will draw a $1 million fine and the possible loss of draft picks, league sources told Bucher. The first warning was issued during the first round of the playoffs, two months before the lockout was implemented.
Commissioner David Stern and the NBA front office say they will not tolerate any violations.
One league source told Bucher the message from the front office is that the punishment might not be limited to a seven-figure fine.
"The league office is digging in," one GM said. "They made it clear to everyone that they're going to crack down hard on any sign of contact with the players and they said they're going to be very vigilant."
So, what if the Wolves "coach" (Rambis) stays away all summer, while somebody like, say, Quin Snyder, voluntarily holds some "training sessions," perhaps with a teamwork emphasis?
If he were to magically appear on the Wolves sidelines in 2014 or whenever the labor dispute ends, wouldn't that give the Wolves an edge over the rest of the teams who didn't hold any coached practices?
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You mean like an under the table contract?
This organization would never do such a thing.
by ldsprawl on Jul 1, 2011 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
So if we violated the rule..
…could we forfeit next year’s pick that we owe the Clippers?
That would be sweet.
you are given this organization WAY TOO MUCH CREDIT
more likely it’s that they pay Rambis less money if they miss games and he’s still employed than if they miss games and he is unemployed.
I haven't written an insightful post about beer.
by littleboxes on Jul 1, 2011 11:55 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm gonna go with this.
And I’m really hoping it’s not your suggestion because we’ve done the under the table thing with Joe Smith, didn’t work out so well….
by Bad News Wolves on Jul 1, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe under McHale...
Kahn’s problems generally involve him overthinking things to the point that they blow up on him. The above scenario laid out makes sense because it’s exactly the sort of thing where a “free agent” coach comes along and holds workouts, then when the lockout ends, Kahn fires Rambis and rushes an offer in that he’s been waiting to do all along…only to have another team trump him and he’s left with neither Rambis nor the “mysterious free agent” coach. And he’s forced to promote someone from Rambis’s assistant coaches and tells the media that was his plan all along.
I'm not sold that the logic follows
The same “workouts” by a coach not employed by the team could be held had Rambis been fired. Frankly, I don’t think what you suggest will happen. THe team would have had to communicate with the players before the lockout that they should accept invitations to work out with, say, Snyder. Then the players would have to agree, and if the Wolves wound up hiring Snyder as coach, do you really think it wouldn’t come out that the players had been working with him (at the behest of the team)? Do you think that the league would look the other way? Remember that Stern has ultimate power to determine violations; this isn’t like a legal proceeding.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 1, 2011 12:06 PM CDT reply actions
There are plenty of holes in the theory
and I definitely don’t think this is what is actually happening.
But, it would be funny if we read in a week or month that Rick Adelman is running drills for K-Love & Co. in LA, or something like that.
More likely about just $$$$
Taylor figures this lockout will be long and drawn out, possibly the whole season. Thinks, I can save lots of $$$ by not firing Rambis and hiring someone new…
I bet on this one.
Does this mean that Kahn does not get paid either? Or Rob Moor?
Is it only coaches that don’t get paid? What about the guy that cleans the locker room?
It seems to me that coaches would be seen as part of management, at least the head coach. But I’m just guessing. If anyone knows for sure that the HC will not get paid during a lockout, I’d appreciate hearing about it.
Sterns Post-Lockout Comments
Stern said he felt very sad for “all the people this will impact, not just players or league leaders (the two sides)”. I think it implied that no-one will be getting paid (janitors, concessions, etc.). Not positive, but his comments on TWolves.com sure implied that.
by LoveLovesLove on Jul 2, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It's sneaky, but is it against the rules?
I'm Trill, I'm running w/ the WOLVES
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jul 1, 2011 12:25 PM CDT reply actions
Yes
Against the rules is what Stern decides in against the rules. I can’t imagine he’d permit this.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 1, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If
it’s as simple as Love contacting Adelman and having that lead to some workouts with some of the team, Stern couldn’t do anything to prevent Adelman from being hired. Not only is he obviously qualified (he’d be the most-qualified coach in franchise history) but the idea that Adelman fostered a working relationship with the players during the lockout is within the rules, provided Kahn had no involvement. Obviously, that last bit contradicts my original post, but it wasn’t meant to be entirely serious.
makes sense
Love played with Adelman’s son in high school.
Also, I remember reading or hearing (BS Report?) Kahn say that he admired Adelman as a coach.
The ball’s in your court, Rick!
Interesting....
I think it would require too much coordination. But…obviously there would be a new playbook, etc that would be doled out. This is stuff that could potentially happen so as to give our team an edge without maybe bringing on the wrath of Stern.
However, my money is on there being a clause in Rambis’s contract that either doesnt pay him or pays him alot less if there is a lockout. Glen is on the committee that would have known the probability of a lockout so he probably drew it up in the contract. Rambis probably agreed to it because it had the 4th year in it.
"But this one goes to eleven..."
by kingsxman on Jul 1, 2011 12:37 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
They be sticking it to Rambis again
Now he’s also losing all that income from the private NBA camps and tutoring sessions he otherwise would be running to teach the NBA elite his successful methods and tricks.
Rambis...
Could return the favor, by meeting with any and every NBA player he can while still technically the Timberwolves coach, resulting in humongous fines for Taylor. How funny would that be?
Rambis: "Hey, David. Just thought I’d let you and Glen know that I’m getting set to do a whirlwind tour of NBA players. Fire me now and pay me my $4 million, or you’ll be writing checks to the league for the next 10 years.
speed-racer hypothesized the same scenario below
I’m guessing it would give Taylor a nice little breach-of-contract out to not pay Rambis a damn thing.
Well, then...
Maybe Kahn should pay someone to appropriate Rambis’ phone for a few minutes.
BTW
Has anyone run with the “the reason Kahn called Kryznufalufagus is because he wanted to find out about Snyder” angle yet?
yes it was mentioned in the fanshot
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by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jul 1, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
That would have been my angle...
If Kahn hadn’t already hired Snyder to coach in the D-League.
Why would he need to call Coach K again?
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out of curiosity
where are most of our players practicing? I assume they can’t use the Wolves facilities.
A bunch of them live in L.A.
how much they are going to be practicing is open to question.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 1, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
well then, if rambis is feeling jerked around...he might start feeling spiteful...
and decide to start texting and tweeting the t-wolves players. what if he happens to send out an e-mail to
all the players on the roster….and accidentally cc:‘s mein fuhrer stern? “oops! sorry boss, my bad!”.
that’s ONE way to finally get fired.
phuckin' machine took my quarter.
yes but if it costs the franchise a draft pick....
it might just be worth it for him
or does the team get fined $1 million...not the coach?
just for good measure, rambis should also send out an e-mail to david kahn saying:
-———————————————————————————————————————————-
dear boss and master of t-wolf operations,
i have contacted all of the players on our roster to organize the secret practice sessions as per your demand. is there anything else i should do now, boss? or just sit tight until you instruct me of the next stealth move? i should add, that i don’t think this is really within the rules of the league office, and our fine commisioner, mr. david stern. but, i’ll follow your orders, as you are calling all the shots here…sir.
hugs and kisses, rambo.
-———————————————————————————————————————————-
.
(AND THEN ACCIDENTALLY CC: MEIN FUHRER STERN AGAIN…).
phuckin' machine took my quarter.
It" a player lockout
So owners and GM’s can still contact coaches right?
As I mentioned in my fanpost that nobody commented on...
The impression I’m getting is that Kahn is treating Rambis as if he’s one of the candidates to fill the vacant HC position. Kahn wants to keep all his option open…he doesn’t want to commit to Rambis in case he can find a candidate he likes more and he doesn’t want to fire him in case he can’t find someone he likes more than Rambis.
Maybe he's doing it to try and negotiate a buyout?
As long as Rambis is employed by the Wolves he won’t be able to sign or even interview with any other teams. Maybe this is a way to force Rambis to buyout for less so he can move to greener pastures?
Stern reminds me of....
Fidel in so many way. Can part of the new cba force him wear fatigues and smoke fat cigars?
How will Kahn live
without his nightly boy talk with Rubio!?
, said Mplax.
Well, apparentyl there could be a position with the Lakers for him again...
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/sports/2011-07/03/c_13963202.htm. At least we don’t have to worry about Cleamons coaching here next year. I do like how they referred to his tenure with Dallas as a “slight period” – you could say that! lol
Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga.
A lot of people outside Minneapolis focus on David Kahn as the problem with the Wolves.
But the real problem, as Wolves fans know, starts with Glen Taylor (and as i’ve learned recently Rob Moor) first and foremost. Keeping Kurt Rambis makes no real sense. It has no tangible benefit to the Wolves now or whenever. Hiring a new coach during a lockout is the easiest time to do something if only because when training camp opens for the season (assuming the season starts), it will be a very hectic time for everyone in the NBA.
I thought Kurt Rambis had been fired 2 weeks ago only to find out the Wolves are being cheap and stupid. What a shock. As terrible as Kahn has been for the Wolves, Taylor’s negligent ownership is far worse in reality. Without negligent ownership, David Kahn is never the Wolves GM in the first place.
This situation is just beyond ridiculous and only the Wolves could seemingly achieve it. It’s amazing the Wolves still have a fanbase. The franchise doesn’t deserve the fans they have. Which is an extremely arrogant (and truthful) statement in of itself.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Jul 3, 2011 1:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Does the lockout really explain Rambis not being fired?
I mean, what’s the difference? It’s not like they have to hire a coach. It can’t be a perception problem with having no coach, because the perception can’t be worse than the current Rambis situation. So really the only thing I can think of is that they’re hoping Rambis wants to take another opportunity, and he obviously can’t do that without giving up his current contract, thus saving the Wolves money that way. Can someone give another reasonable answer for this?
You can't dust for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jul 4, 2011 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
One can't stalker.
One simply. That’s the kind of perverted twisted thinking that seemingly has gone on within the Wolves organization for years.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
One simply can't^
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
They want Rambis to quit
He quits and they’re off the hook financially.
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