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Might the Lockout Affect David Kahn's Future?


We've been kicking around how the Wolves coaching situation is likely being influenced by Taylor's desire to see how the lockout unfolds, most recently in Andy G's tongue-in-cheek, Olive-Stone-like thread on the subject. My opinion, and it's just that, is that it's simply a matter of Papa Glen seeing how much the lockout bleeds out of Rambis' deal before he needs to cut a check.

Anyway, this leads me to consider the other partner-in-crime in 32-132: David Kahn. Because if I recall correctly, David Kahn was given a three-year-deal when he was hired in 2009. That would mean this coming season is his "contract year." What's weird, of course, is there might not be a season.

First, I need to concede I'm not quite sure if he's on a three-year deal. Because I've tried searching for it, and the best I can do is a TWolvesblog post pointing out that numerous Rambis-based news articles mention Kahn's three-year deal. So outside of that, I'm just going off memory. I'm sure somebody here knows for sure. If I'm mistaken, then this post is probably moot. (Alternatively, if this has already turned into a McHaleian unwritten handshake deal between Kahn and Taylor, God help us...)

Anyway, this leads to the question of what to do should the season (or most of it) be eliminated? I think many of us thought one more bad year might be it for Kahn (maybe not a safe assumption with Papa Glen running the show, granted). But what if there's no season? Surely Taylor can't extend the guy after 32-132. OTOH, would Glen Taylor simply bid adieu and hire somebody else next spring?

So, is this Kahn's contract season? And if so, and the lockout wipes most-to-all-of-it out, what becomes of him?

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I think Taylor's opinion of Kahn must be pretty good

Kahn has saved a bunch of money, and picked up some good pieces on the cheap. He has managed the salary cap pretty well, and made a roster that is better than its record, by the estimation of many on CH as well as reports from the press and from around the league.

From a business standpoint, Kahn has done fine. Turning the 20th draft pick into Brad Miller and a bunch of cash was a bit of a tour de force. It looked ugly at the time, but it could be the subject of an MBA thesis someday. I’ll bet Taylor appreciates that.

Besides, it is too early to dump Kahn. There is more grunt work to be done. Kahn is very good at exploring options for trades, he really works the phones. It may result in people thinking Kahn is a jerk but Taylor would not care a whit about that.

After the lockout is over, whenever that may be, I think the team would really value Kahn’s connections and experience in knowing who values what, who may be available and so on. It is tough to build that knowledge from scratch. Of course, Taylor could hire a different guy with fresh GM experience, but that is not Taylor’s way — he is loyal, no one questions that.

So Kahn will stay through his contract at least.

by timmuggs on Jul 1, 2011 5:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Good points

Although Kahn has received a lot of criticism for some of the moves he’s made, all will be forgiven if his plan comes to fruition. If memory serves, he said all along it would be a 3-4 year process to get back to the playoffs. We have youth and talent and a flexible payroll, and Kahn just keeps on piling up assets. We may lose our first round pick next year, but that wasn’t his fault. And we’re still owed first round picks by the Rockets and Grizzlies, I believe. Kahn also can’t be blamed for Rambis’ horrible coaching job, although it was a bad hire, and that falls on Kahn.

He’s made a lot of bad moves, but other moves have been good. I’ll give him another full season to see how it all pans out. I think we’ll make great strides next season, whenever that is.

Did you see me at the draft party? I was the one drinking the bloody marys.

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by Action on Jul 1, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Draft party? Not me, I live in the SF Bay Area

Mpls native, still loyal to the local teams, but glad to have the cool summer weather with the wind blowing off the bay.

I love bloody marys, I tend to top them off with beer. It’s kinda like a schooner of beer at Mannings, with some tomato juice in it.

by timmuggs on Jul 1, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny you mention that.

I’m in CA also. When in Minnesota last week, the restaurants kept offering me a beer chaser with my Bloody Marys. I thought they cost extra, so I said no, preferring to spend my extra cash on more BM’s. To my surprise, the beer chasers are free at many restaurants. When I found this out, I happily agreed to the chasers. What a State!

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by Action on Jul 2, 2011 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a Minnesota thing, apparently, beer 7 tomato juice

I also spend a lot of time in Mexico, the central mountains. A local drink is the michelada, it is beer with a shot of spicy tomato juice as a base, Kinda like a BM without the vodka.

What part of CA are you in?

by timmuggs on Jul 2, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Snit

Not sure why, but the little glass of beer is called a “snit.” Or that’s what I’ve heard.

by Neumms on Jul 5, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought it was a snid

“jest a snid, if you please…”

by timmuggs on Jul 6, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

The best Bloody Mary I've tasted

is one I can make at home. The secret is using Clamato Juice, instead of tomato juice or BM mix. Throw in some worcestershire sauce, some tabasco, a little celery salt and pepper and you’ve got a tasty eye opener for breakfast.

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by Action on Jul 7, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Best Bloody Mary... is actually a Ceasar

See?

I love my Clamato.. Excellent for my Bloody/Red Beer!

by Boss10 on Jul 7, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

How does that beer recipe go?

…and isn’t it Caesar? Thanks for the insight!

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by Action on Jul 7, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course that's the correct spelling!

Kinda joking because it’s misspelled on the link.

I’ve tried tons of variances for red beer. You start with 1-2 ounces of Clamato and for beer I recommend something very light (and cheap!).. I like mine really “bloody”, so I dump at least 2-2.5 ounces on Clamato and add a can of Miller Lite.

Your favorite hot sauce (Usually Tapatio for me), salt, pepper, etc for taste.

Enjoy!

by Boss10 on Jul 7, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you hear of Beasley's variation?

Start with 1/2 ounce of Bubba Kush. Add one sports car. Mix quickly at 85 MPH. Blast some Salt n Pepa. Act hot and saucy. Throw in some red lights and a siren. Blame it on your buddy. Best served at 3 AM. It’s a fun but very expensive concoction, possibly costing millions. Enjoy!

Seriously, thanks for the idea. I’ll have to try that. It sounds like a nice variation of both drinks. I’m usually just a beer drinker, but summertime screams for variety (so does my waist!) :-)

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by Action on Jul 8, 2011 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kahn's Draft Trades

Actually when you combine the Beasley trade with Kahn’s draft maneuvering, he turned Flynn+20th pick+2012 2nd round pick to:
Beasley+Miller+Malcolm Lee+Griz 2013 1st round pick+Nets 2013 2nd round pick+Cash

Why am I including the Beasley trade in this discussion?
Because when the Heat traded Beasley to the TWolves last year they received in return our 2nd round picks this year ( which turned out to be #31 ) and in 2014

When Kahn traded the 23rd pick to Chicago he received in return the 28th and 43rd picks.

The 43rd pick was used on Malcolm Lee, but the 28th pick was traded to the Heat for the 31st pick ( our original 2nd rounder ) ,our 2014 2nd rounder and cash. So basicly we received cash and our traded Beasley picks for the 28th pick.

From the Heat standpoint, they traded Beasley for Norris Cole ( the 28th pick ). From the TWolves standpoint we got Beasley for nothing.

by CanisHummus on Jul 2, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Funny you mention that.

I’m in CA also. When in Minnesota last week, the restaurants kept offering me a beer chaser with my Bloody Marys. I thought they cost extra, so I said no, preferring to spend my extra cash on more BM’s. To my surprise, the beer chasers are free at many restaurants. When I found this out, I happily agreed to the chasers. What a State!

"The journey of 1000 miles has begun. Baby steps...Baby Jesus steps, that is."

http://www.cheap-and-easy-car-insurance.com

by Action on Jul 2, 2011 1:07 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm going to put something out there, possibly way, way out there.

David Kahn will be the GM of this franchise for about a decade before Taylor considers letting him go. First of all, it seems like Taylor’s MO. Second of all, continuity in a sports franchise is generally a good thing. Even when the initial results are less than to be desired, sticking with a coach, or GM in this case, is often the most sure path to success. In a recent post about franchises that have turned it around, someone noted that continuity seemed to be the most common theme. When your franchise is following one building plan for long enough it will eventually become a finished structure – it may not be the Taj Mahal, but it will be something. When you change building plans every few years you never finish your structure, instead you end up with a bunch of half-finished wings around an amorphous glob in the center.
I may question the choice to hire Kahn in the first place. I may question the building plan and vision he has. I may question whether his project is still on schedule. Yet I can’t help feeling that a shakeup would only set things even further back than they’ve already been. And for proof of this I offer the fact that most of us probably didn’t think the Wolves could sink any lower than we were in Kevin Love’s rookie year, but we managed to do just that after a shakeup at the top of the basketball decision making pyramid.
The path to success is staying the course. The only questions are: 1) what will success look like when it gets here; and 2) will we want to raze the structure in order to make way for a new building as soon as this one is finished?

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by ynotsema2 on Jul 2, 2011 11:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Continuity vs turnaround

Now there’s a chicken/egg argument if I ever heard one.

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by twinstalker on Jul 4, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Continuity correlates to success.

That doesn’t mean it causes it. The causal relationship would seem to go the other way around, wouldn’t you think?

by feral on Jul 10, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here's one part of your question that we surely know the answer to:
OTOH, would Glen Taylor simply bid adieu and hire somebody else next spring?

Simply? Oh, no no no. Not Glen.

First, you have the question of when Glen Taylor would come to the conclusion that he needed to consider hiring someone else on. Given Glen’s history – "Step down to the bench, Kevin McHale, and we can wait a half-season or so before we make any calls on your GM replacement" – and the team’s – "We need a 10-page report on what you’re going to do this summer" – I think it’s a dead lock that any decision about David Kahn would not, not, not be “simple.”

Without a high draft pick to bother with next year, too, what kind of time pressure would the Wolves be under? Next spring? How about we shoot for two Decembers from now? You don’t want to make a decision like that in haste, while the taste of 32-132 is still in your mouth.

by feral on Jul 10, 2011 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

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