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HOLY SH*T!!! ADELMAN TO INTERVIEW WITH WOLVES!!! (Part 2)



Okay, this time it's for real (or at least, as real as Ric Bucher is reliable). Fingers, toes, and any other crossable parts of your body should be crossed that Adleman is more turned on by Kahn's mole than turned off:

The Minnesota Timberwolves will meet with former Houston Rockets coach Rick Adelman in Minneapolis on Tuesday to discuss their head-coaching opening, a league source said.

Star-divide

Glen, give him the whole envelope printing business, and promise to sit wayyyyy up high during games at the Target Center.

UPDATE: Now Jerry Z's on the case:

He's here.

Rick Adelman is in town today to interview for the Timberwolves coaching job.

He'll meet with president of basketball operations David Kahn, CEO Rob Moor and owner Glen Taylor.

The Wolves brass worked for weeks to get Adelman to come in for more than a phone interview.  If he wants the job, and they can agree on a salary, the job is probably his.

The salary would probably have to be around $5 million per year.

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I was mere seconds away from a fanshot...

But I had to go clean up after peeing my pants.

by BrettAhlgren on Aug 23, 2011 12:10 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

You're sure

it was pee?

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by PoorDick on Aug 23, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

"The journey of 1000 miles has begun. Baby steps...Baby Jesus steps, that is."

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by Action on Aug 23, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That article

doesn’t actually say that Rambis has expressed support for Love. It just implies that Rambis should be in his corner and nearby because he lives in Manhattan Beach and plays volleyball. That’s weaksauce if I’ve ever seen it.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Aug 24, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

Did you read Rambis’ quote?

by LoveTo on Aug 24, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hah!

Color me stupid. I read to the point where I quoted, and thought the article was done. I need to master scrolling. My bad.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Aug 24, 2011 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

“Kevin’s very coachable. He can take what you say and put it into action,” said Kurt Rambis, who coached Love for two seasons in Minnesota. “He’s athletic and has size, but what he needs is experience. Jesse said he was a lot better the second day than he was the first day. That’s kind of who Kevin is in terms of his coachability.”

Of course, they could still hate each other

Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
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by littleboxes on Aug 24, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unofficial odds of the Wolves coaching search:

Phil Jackson 1,000,000 to 1
Moammer Gadhaf 750,000 to 1
Red Auerbach 500,000 to 1
Kevin McHale 1,000 to 1
Chris Webber 600 to 1
Rick Adelman 500 to 1
Michele Bachmann 300 to 1
Doink the Clown 150 to 1
Paul Allen 75 to 1
Don Nelson 30 to 1
B-Right 15 to 1
Mike Woodson 10 to 1
David Kahn 5 to 1
Sam Mitchell 1 to 1

Follow me on Twitter @timallenonline

by TimAllen on Aug 23, 2011 12:21 PM CDT reply actions  

*Gadhafi

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by TimAllen on Aug 23, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gadhafi amongst the GOP hopefuls???

With that group, he could almost be considered a social moderate…but, I doubt he could maneuver his way around a corndog like someone we all know.

Oh, and to Papa Glen and POBO – WHATEVER IT TAKES, HIRE ADELMAN!!!

"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson

by SoDakHmr on Aug 23, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

High-larious

I was trying to come up with a boffo comment in this thread. No longer…

this is absoluckinfutely the bestest

by timmuggs on Aug 23, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think there is a right spelling to gadafi's last name, I have seen gadafi spelled many different ways,

from Gadafi to Qaddafi to Khaddafi. But my favorite is Qadaffy, because it looks like it could be one of Daffy Duck’s far away relatives: Qadaffy Duck.

Mannafest Destiny

by BeLoved842 on Aug 23, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

There is a correct way to spell his name,

but that’s in Arabic. The problem is that there’s no standard transcription, so different entities render the sounds differently depending on the system they use.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Aug 23, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

The closest spelling

Is Qaddafi. I know this because I speak Persian and Arabic.

www.unleashkevinlove.com

by erikanthony on Aug 24, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The bright side of this

is we’re more likely to get Doink the Clown than we are to get Michele Bachmann!!

The dark side of it is Michele Bachmann is more likely to be president of the USA in 2013 than the Timberwolves’ head coach.

by BeasleBong on Aug 23, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a trick . . .

Michele Bachmann is Doink the Clown.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Aug 23, 2011 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gahhh

That just, like……doubled the odds!

by BrettAhlgren on Aug 23, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard B-Wright had a good interview...

But he wanted DJ Mad Mardigan as GM. Might want to adjust your odds. Not sure if up or down is appropriate.

The good news is hopeful doesn't mean dumb. The bad news is cynical doesn't mean smart. -- Sarah Silverman

by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 23, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see that James Naismith didn’t make the short list

If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross

by doubleteapot on Aug 23, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amazing News!

Let’s hope they can get it done today and we’ll have a new coach tomorrow! But knowing the Timberwolves, we won’t.

by Darth Paxton on Aug 23, 2011 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Hiring Adelman

would be Kahn’s most-popular move, to date.

by Andy G on Aug 23, 2011 12:31 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I liked the Rubio draft about as much.

But Flynn kinda took the air out of that bubble.

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Aug 23, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, taken individually

While obvious, the drafting of Rubio has to have been more popular.
It was for me anyway.

by BrettAhlgren on Aug 23, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Many

have refused to consider the acquisition of Rubio to be a “plus” on David Kahn’s job performance balance sheet. I don’t think those same people would hesitate to give credit for an Adelman hire—I think just about 100 percent of Wolves fans would consider it an impressive move.

by Andy G on Aug 23, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Solid little Billy Wilder movie, that.

Kirk Douglas plays a cynical reporter who engineers a showier story when someone gets caught in a cave-in while digging for Indian artifacts. Maybe Kirk’s our dark horse coaching candidate. Guy’s a born leader.

by feral on Aug 23, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

That movie plays like something out of contemporary " journalism".

Rupert has feelers out for the character from what I hear….

Timberwolves 2011:
Kahnceptual Performance Art

by Dogpile on Aug 23, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Chilean miner rescue, with all the flags all over the place? Gulp.

The dignity of all those guys banding together to share any resulting media attention, though, punctures that comparison.

But yeah.

by feral on Aug 24, 2011 4:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Alright, Danny Downer

You’re breaking the unwritten rules regarding our fleeting moments of hope and joy as Wolves fans.

by BrettAhlgren on Aug 23, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

But it isn't feel good Friday ...

AND his point still stands

"Deserve ain't got nothin' to do with it."
-- W. Munney (1992) / Snoop (2008)

by ol' weird harold on Aug 23, 2011 5:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I know I'm a T'Wolves fan

Because it feels like a success to just get a guy to come to town for a 2nd interview. Let’s hope this news counts.

by BeasleBong on Aug 23, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Hire him right now!

He will get the best out of our young group

A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan

by RaysOfHope on Aug 23, 2011 12:50 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I know you guys are surprised

But you shouldn’t be. Time to start coming up with your excuses as to why Adelman accepts the Wolves job, because it certainly flies in the face of your perception of the Timberwolves. (yeah, I’m talking to you PoorDick, S-n-P, Oceanary, etc.)

by sulu on Aug 23, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

We already prepared a bunch

at the last couple of weekly meetings we have. It was potluck, and quite frankly we’re a little tired of Eric in Madison’s “Three Bean Salad.”

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by PoorDick on Aug 23, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he's gonna take the job

…because he’s impressed with the young talent we have assembled.

And then there is the Love connection. RA would certainly have talked to Stan Love and gotten a feel for how Kevin feels about the team. And odds of Kevin staying there.

If we get RA, it will be a coup.

by timmuggs on Aug 23, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

God only Knows...

but Wouldn’t it be Nice!

"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson

by SoDakHmr on Aug 23, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Let's hope the family time is not a problem.

All he’s gotta do is say to his wife “I Get Around,” and hope she doesn’t take it the wrong way.

by BeasleBong on Aug 23, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Both literally and figuratively...

Our TWolves would be “Sitting on top of the world” if this Adelman hire came through!

by LoveLovesLove on Aug 23, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

.

You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.

by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Aug 23, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Oh yeah?

we’re a little tired of Eric in Madison’s "Three Bean Salad."

that’s not what your wife said

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Aug 23, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Obviously

my wife has no taste and even lower standards.

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by PoorDick on Aug 23, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, she married you, didn't she?

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Aug 23, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hence . . .

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by PoorDick on Aug 23, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very

good.

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by PoorDick on Aug 23, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry PD

but I really wish I could rec this 3 times – we may have a new tagline

"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson

by SoDakHmr on Aug 23, 2011 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Expand your mind, my friend

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Aug 23, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do the quotation marks indicate that it wasn't as advertised?

Weren’t there 3 beans?

The good news is hopeful doesn't mean dumb. The bad news is cynical doesn't mean smart. -- Sarah Silverman

by pagingstanleyroberts on Aug 23, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah....

three frickin’ beans. Usually there are three types of beans, but nope it was the single most pathetic pot luck dish I’ve every come across. Most people cook the beans too, but if you’re going to put three dried legumes in a dish and call it a salad I guess I shouldn’t be surprise by anything.

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Aug 23, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was

a very small casserole.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Aug 23, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Isn't Wisconsin sushi on the menu?

There’s a place in Madison called, if I remember correctly, Bluephie’s restaurant and vodkatorium that serves a nice version of it. There is of course no fish involved in the recipe, only sausage, sausage, and bacon!

Timberwolves 2011:
Kahnceptual Performance Art

by Dogpile on Aug 23, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been there,

had that:

wisconsin sushi 
no, it isn’t really sushi. but it is a Bluephies throwback and it
is the best we got. thick cut bacon layered with sweet italian
sausage, lovingly wrapped around an andouille sausage. then
smoked and served with taters and bbq gravy 14.9

It’s . . . breathtaking.

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by PoorDick on Aug 23, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never go to Bluephies

more than once a week. Have you tried the waffles with fried chicken, gravy, and syrup?

by Madison Dan on Aug 23, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now I'm glad that I had supper

And not breakfast. I would have needed a cardiac specialist for those waffles!

Timberwolves 2011:
Kahnceptual Performance Art

by Dogpile on Aug 23, 2011 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be clear

chicken and waffles is a dinner special. It’s not something I can/want to eat often.

by Madison Dan on Aug 24, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is a pairing made in heaven

If you ever make it through KC, eat here.

< hyperbole > Best service in the history of food. < / hyperbole >

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 24, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, their site features a picture of what I think is fried ham

that I’m guessing is targeted at a different set of preferences than mine. (Not that I doubt that it’s a wonderful place.)

by Madison Dan on Aug 24, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had a plate of chicken and waffles...

….with some sweet tea and cornbread. My wife ordered the daily special, which was some sort of fried disc with canned salmon in it. The waitress happily explained that it was healthy because of the fish. They simultaneously won and declared war on my heart at that very moment.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 24, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

"They simultaneously won and declared war on my heart at that very moment."

Now that is some nice wordsmithery.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Aug 24, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be in KC on the 20th

to see my Detroit Tigers in action. I was actually wondering if there would be a good place to eat!

I'm Trill, I'm running w/ the WOLVES

by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Aug 24, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

There...

…LC’s, Stroud’s or Oklahoma Joe’s.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 24, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

sweet I'll let you know how it went

we all know we could use some more non basketball stuff on CH

I'm Trill, I'm running w/ the WOLVES

by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Aug 24, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now that you've brought it up,

Tom Waits has a new album coming up. First one in seven years. Sounds a ton more interesting than Real Gone.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Aug 24, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Silly me . . .

I scrolled up, thinking, “Really? They already have a South Park bit about the new Waits album?”

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Aug 24, 2011 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll circle back there

once I complete my personal mission to eat my way up Monroe Street.

I currently have Mickies Dairy Bar on the edge of my radar.

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by PoorDick on Aug 23, 2011 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mickies has a good breakfast

Bluphies is a place I used to go with my kid when I lived on the west side; I’m kind of sick of the Food Fight Inc. sensibility, though I sometimes still go to Monty’s Blue Plate which is one of theirs on the east side.

There used to be a deli on Monroe that made a great BLT with avocado, but it’s been replaced by Brasserie V, which is pretty good. They actually still make the sandwich at lunch, I think, but it isn’t the same. Decent steak frites, though.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Aug 24, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still haven't tried Brasserie V, but I have friends who really like it.

My wife and I go out for a quick dinner without the kids most every Sunday, and get stuck in patterns (ruts?) easily. So we’ve been to Hubbard Avenue Diner and Bluephies many, many times. I still like the Food Fight places better than the national chain alternatives, though I suppose there are other local places that are at least as good. We seem to be coming to the end of a long Bluephies run, but I don’t know what will replace it.

Mickies, my wife reports, has very good pancakes. She thinks of herself as a connoisseur.

by Madison Dan on Aug 24, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with Food Fight, really

Much better than the chain alternatives. I just kind of got tired of it. There are a ton of places to try on the west side that I like: Brasserie V and Jacs on Monroe Street, La Mestiza in Market Square on Odana (oddly) has very good Mexican food. Decent Indian place across from Bluephies in the twin strip than has the Vic Allens.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Aug 25, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Taj Indian off of Park is good.

I’m a sucker for delicious Chicken Tikka Masala though.

by Dupey on Aug 25, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I keep hearing good things about La Mestiza

so I’ll have to give it a shot. It’s a tough sell, because my wife doesn’t like Mexican food as much as I do. That Indian place is supposed to be pretty good, though I kind of miss the Ethiopian place it replaced (I can see how it failed, though). There’s an Indian place even further west (gasp!) on High Point and Old Sauk called Swagat that’s good, too. I don’t love Indian food, even though I feel like I should. But my friends who do love it, including some from India, keep wanting to go back.

There was an Indian place on Odana (I think it’s Nile now) that used to have a South Indian Sampler plate, which is totally different from the typical Indian stuff. I liked it better, but I was probably the only one because it left the menu before the restaurant closed.

by Madison Dan on Aug 26, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I really like Ethiopian food, actually

but the market for it is inevitably pretty limited. Washington DC has some great Ethiopian places, but Madison is not quite cosmopolitan enough.

Just ate at Harvest last week—that was a treat. I like that new place on the square called Graze too.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Aug 26, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fancy! Which one of us is the West Sider again?

I haven’t been to Harvest in a long time. I liked it quite a bit when I went there, but it’s one level too upscale for me to love. There’s just a certain level of service that starts making me uncomfortable, and that service usually corresponds to a menu I don’t understand very well. (I admit that I am a fancy food moron.) I used to love Magnus (before the switch to Scandinavian food), which was about as nice a place as I could truly enjoy.

I haven’t tried Graze yet, but I’ve heard good things. The owner is about 8 feet away from me in the next office — she’s branched out beyond economics, as endlessly fascinating as it is.

by Madison Dan on Aug 26, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Graze is much more casual

but has some really creative and interesting food. Plus, it’s nice to sit near the windows and watch the square. I actually took a couple of breaks from the protests to watch from there.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Aug 26, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seattle has

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 26, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excuse me ( my stupid ipod and clumsy fingers are to blame....)

Seattle has a lot of Ethiopian food too for whatever reason.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Aug 26, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lots of good Ethiopian places in the Twin Cities

Make it up for a game some time and check out Odaa before the game.

Basketball is basketball. – Oscar Robinson

by TMiss on Aug 27, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best of both.....

With the lockout, he’s going to get his desired year off anyway….

by Twosome on Aug 23, 2011 1:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Adelman sighting at MSP

A buddy just called me from the airport and said that Adelman was checking in for his flight out of Minneapolis at around 1:30 pm. Pretty short interview I guess.

by saucyml on Aug 23, 2011 1:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe they just

sat him down, unveiled a giant novelty check and slid a contract in front of him. That wouldn’t take long.

by Madison Dan on Aug 23, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm betting that Rob Moor's office smelled a bit like urine

and Glen high-tailed it out of there

Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control

by littleboxes on Aug 23, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was told that he was going to "Glen's house"

…by 3 people this morning. Maybe he took a puddle jumper down to the house in Kato. I’m dead certain he was in town and they talked.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 23, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Either that or...

…he flew in last night. 1st direct commercial flight out of Portland arrives around 12:30 so unless he came as a courtesy to say “no thanks”, he must have been in last night for morning interviews to make it back to airport for early afternoon flight.

by PoohRichardson on Aug 23, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alright so the billboard idea didn't go through...

But since we are well mannered midwesterners we all need to send Rick Adleman’s wife tons of flowers as a thank you for letting him coaching our wolves (that is the “family issue” right). Hopefully my wife will be ok with me sending flowers to another woman.

I'm Trill, I'm running w/ the WOLVES

by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Aug 23, 2011 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

"Family issue" is likely

He’s got a son who’s in trouble over drinking and driving and some assorted s*** fallout from son not playing some a-hole dad’s boy on HS team he was coaching back in Portland. There are allegations dad hired private investigators to follow Adelman’s son and he called cops after son stopped off at bar on way home.

by Tisbee on Aug 23, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping that Rick told Glen the business

Rick: Glen, I’m not talking to you about this job with that idiot in the room.
Glen: David, please leave.
Rick: Actually, I meant your idiot ex-son-in-law. Who keeps their ex-son-in-law around anyway?

Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control

by littleboxes on Aug 23, 2011 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Not a good sign if he's on his way home already....

Unless he just has to sleep on it or something….

I was hoping to run into him on my way out of downtown this afternoon. (I see Kahn and coaches all the time).

"But this one goes to eleven..."

by kingsxman on Aug 23, 2011 3:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Are you driving?

Are they in a crosswalk?

by feral on Aug 23, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I tried to hit Rambis many times but ...

he’s faster than he looks.

"But this one goes to eleven..."

by kingsxman on Aug 23, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Your act

would have been like the movie where Tom Cruise was trying to assasinate Hitler. Only your success would have had much more impact on the future of humanity.

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by PoorDick on Aug 23, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tom Cruise in that movie.... Shudder.

Least effort expended by an actor since…. When?

by feral on Aug 23, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure...

but I’m pretty sure that every member of the cast of Hangover II except the monkey was sleepwalking the entire time.

"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson

by SoDakHmr on Aug 23, 2011 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would that have been worse with David Hasselhoff in the starring role?

The “Knight” thing might have nudged it that little bit further. On the other hand, it’d have had more staying power in terms of its kitsch value. As it is, the entire thing’s forgotten.

Honestly…. The trailer was mildly entertaining. Though Cameron Diaz’s decision to scream in that way gets a low mark in terms of character development….

by feral on Aug 24, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Quite a pair in that movie...

Especially Ms. Diaz. While still delightful to look at, a quick trip to the IMDb database seems to indicate that Cameron’s middle name could be “Will the check clear? OK!”

"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson

by SoDakHmr on Aug 24, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

When did she star with Nicholas Cage?

Amazingly, it doesn’t seem to have happened. Can that be right?

Internet find, though: Their cardboard stand-ups, used together to promote a shaver. They will do anything for a payday:

by feral on Aug 25, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure the last time an actor...

put forth less effort was Collateral with Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise sucks.

by Dupey on Aug 24, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tom Cruise

is going to put forth some effort into that movie (which, in my opinion, will make it wrose). I know this because he’s producing that awful looking movie, and it’s his only chance to stay on the ever popular sequel train that everyone in Hollywood loves to do.

by Dupey on Aug 24, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which means it will actually be good.

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by HumdingerTV on Aug 24, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't realize

that the same guy did all three. That explains a lot.

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by Cynical Jason on Aug 24, 2011 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, looking at it closer

Renner will probably be good, and Pegg too. And Paula Patton is gorgeous.
But the plot is that Ethan Hunt and Co will go rogue…
Doesn’t he (cough) always go rogue?

Tom’s going to suck, let’s leave it at that. And to Dupey’s point: correct, it may not be for a lack of effort.

by BrettAhlgren on Aug 24, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tom is good if he plays a freak

Magnolia or Tropic Thunder are his best work by far, I’d say.

Anything else, not so good.

I think he’s just a genuinely weird dude, with limited acting range, so the more he plays a weirdo like himself the better he is at it.

by Django Z on Aug 25, 2011 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Movies which end with frogs raining from the sky

do not make my best pix list.

Just read Janet Reitman’s “Inside Scientology.” Cruise is a freak, just like all the other Scientology celebs.

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by TMiss on Aug 25, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

then don't watch the last five minutes

Problem Solved!

Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
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by littleboxes on Aug 25, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wanted to love Magnolia

because I think Boogie Nights (same director) is absolutely brilliant, but it didn’t click with me as much. Cruise was good in it, though.

by Madison Dan on Aug 26, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Boogie Nights is soooooo good

Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control

by littleboxes on Aug 26, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't it?

I think the subject matter will turn a lot of people off, but there’s just pure joy in the film making — how he sets up shots, the use of music, etc. I haven’t watched it in a while, but it puts a smile on my face every time. I especially love the drug dealer scene where the assistant (or whatever he is) is just walking around the room randomly lighting firecrackers. It ratchets up the tension in just the right way.

by Madison Dan on Aug 26, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

PT Anderson

is incredible at what he does.

by Andy G on Aug 26, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best movie I've seen

over the past few years.

I thought it deserved Best Picture, but No Country was deserving, too.

At least DDL got that Oscar.

by Andy G on Aug 26, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with all that.

TWBB is indescribably good.

Just saw The Guard with Brandon Gleeson and Don Cheadle. Highly recommended.

by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Aug 26, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll have to check that out

it’s been kind of a slow year for decent movies in the theatres. Thanks for the rec.

by Andy G on Aug 26, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Recent solid movie: "Win Win"

Same director as “The Station Agent.”

by feral on Aug 26, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is it released yet?

James’ documentary about Allen Iverson was one of the best “30 for 30’s” I thought. Hoop Dreams is on my short list of favorite sports movies—maybe just movies, ever. Part of the fun is seeing guys like Juwon Howard and Rashard Griffith making cameos throughout.

by Andy G on Aug 26, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I saw a screening of it at a film festival.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 26, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw this last week

very good.

Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control

by littleboxes on Aug 26, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Little off subject...

but saw a trailer for Scorsese’s documentary on George Harrison…looks like it’s going to be very good!

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by SoDakHmr on Aug 26, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hell yes!

That scene is amazing. What films are all about.

by Django Z on Aug 27, 2011 3:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Boogie Nights

My favorite movie of all time.
Don’t get me started.

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by HumdingerTV on Aug 27, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I couldn't get into that one at all

my favorites are

Reservoir Dogs and Monty Python and the Holy Grail. With The Usual Suspects and Supertroopers running a close second.

by zebano on Aug 30, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd add

Collateral, Eyes Wide Shut, A Few Good Men, The Color of Money, and probably others. Cruise is in a lot of good films.

by Andy G on Aug 25, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Minority Report: hugest plot problems ever.

After all that, the killer had disguised himself. By Wearing a Trenchcoat.

I laughed out loud.

by feral on Aug 25, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tom's good at running on film

Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control

by littleboxes on Aug 25, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just watched the Firm two nights ago

Couldn’t get over the fact that Tom Cruise, portrayed throughout the first half of the movie as a dedicated family man who picked a firm committed to families and family life slept with a whore on the beach on his first firm trip to the Caymans. He even knew she was a whore, because 5 seconds before he hit it, she told him she was a whore.

I’m a sucker for Gene Hackman films though, and in this viewing, I couldn’t get over his striking resemblance to John C. Reily…I’m convinced they are Father-Son.

Derrick Williams was going to Bust...but then he was selected by the Timberwolves!

by Ebomb on Aug 25, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have never visited Memphis

But before you even made your comment, that movie did make me want to visit. The rooftop party at the firm, and the various vistas during the movie made Memphis look like a beautiful place to live.

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by Ebomb on Aug 25, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a fascinating city

It’s a town of extremes. You can go from obscene wealth to obscene poverty in a very, very, very short period of time. Steve Jobs may have went there for a kidney a few years back:

http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/20/steve-jobs-executive-health-technology-transplant.html

It’s one of the most American cities you can think of. Rock, blues, BBQ, Civil War history, huge disparity in wealth…it goes on and on. You can feel the history around you down there. It’s something that is largely absent from the relatively sterile Twin Cities.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 25, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree, my one trip was pretty awesome.

(We stayed at the Peabody Hotel. Family memories….)

by feral on Aug 25, 2011 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Every ash tray in the place was stamped with a little duck imprint.

On the way to our room, my grungy family schlepped onto an elevator in our shorts and tube socks. A rather snooty woman inquired: Were we all on the tennis circuit?

Needless to say, that was a little above our usual class of hotel.

by feral on Aug 25, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahhhhh...

…southern lady snoot. It’s the best kind. Maybe karma repaid her by having some drunk idiot from Beale Street vomit on the hood of her Beamer on the way back to the highway.

My favorite variety of southern lady snoot is the West Texas Socialite. No meaner species of human exists. Cross them at your own peril.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 25, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jerry Magure is my second favorite movie of all time

I must have watched that at least 50 times

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by TimAllen on Aug 25, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

(500) Days of Summer

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by TimAllen on Aug 25, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice.

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by HumdingerTV on Aug 25, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I liked that movie a lot

but I admit that when I read his post I had to double check my sarcasm meter.

by Madison Dan on Aug 26, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a hard time pinning down an all-time favorite

but I always enjoy random answers like Tim’s. I’ve got no problem with that. One friend who I think has good taste told me his favorite movies, in reverse order, were Big Lebowski, Wayne’s World, and Cliffhanger. I laughed at that.

by Andy G on Aug 26, 2011 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's just no way to come up with one favorite.

“Local Hero,” “The Third Man,” and the next 20 movies that occur to me could all be it. Favorite TV shows…. How’m I ever going to choose between “Slings and Arrows” and “To Serve Them All My Days” and the next 15 that come to mind?

In some oddball way this is like trying to rank the best players in basketball, you know? It isn’t about one spectrum from good to bad.

by feral on Aug 26, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Third Man...

….Touch of Evil, Sunset Boulevard, Rules of the Game and Cabin Boy.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 26, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

wanna buy a monkey?

Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control

by littleboxes on Aug 26, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Casablanca...

Dr. Strangelove, From Here to Eternity, They Were Expendable, L.A. Confidential, Lebowski, Pulp Fiction…I judge my favorite movies on the basis "if I’m flipping channels and I come across “movie X”, do I throw the remote down and settle in". May not all be classics, but there it is.

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by SoDakHmr on Aug 26, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

By that criterion,
“if I’m flipping channels and I come across "movie X", do I throw the remote down and settle in”

Princess Bride of course. Groundhog Day. Tootsie, Broadcast News.

by feral on Aug 27, 2011 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

O Brother, Where Art Thou?

Can start watching from any point in the film, can watch for 15 minutes or until the end, and it will be highly entertaining… even if you’ve seen it 20 times.

by PoundFoolish on Aug 27, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like to discuss movies that someone likes a lot more than most other people do,

which is a little different from “favorite movie”. Anyone can say they love Citizen Kane, but which less heralded movies really stuck with you, for whatever reason?

For me, it’s probably Groundhog Day.

by Madison Dan on Aug 26, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some less-heralded movies that stuck with me.

Death to Smoochy, Nixon, Ladybugs, Play it Again Sam, I’m Not There.

Favorite movie….I gotta say Network. Strangelove and Lebowski nippin’ at it’s heels.

by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Aug 26, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

One I'd add

is Roger Dodger.

It’s got Jesse Eisenberg before he was Facebook Jessie Eisenberg, and some of the best dialogue scenes I’ve seen. A hat tip to Shogun, who still reads Canis but doesn’t post often, for that awesome recommendation.

by Andy G on Aug 26, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Personally

I think the Coen brothers have put out several movies better than Lewbowski. No Country and Intolerable Cruelty are probably my top two.

by Waucckhewww on Aug 26, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those are some good ones.

Slightly modified category: worst movie I’ve found myself watching on TV way too many times = Dune.

by Madison Dan on Aug 26, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha!

I found it at a used CD/movie store and had to buy it – David Lynch + highly detailed sci-fy novel = too much fun!

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by SoDakHmr on Aug 26, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Island

and Short Circuit 2. The latter mostly because I enjoyed it as a kid.

by Waucckhewww on Aug 26, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really loved The Insider.

The one with Al Pacino and Russell Crowe about the tobacco industry. It rarely ever gets mentioned, and you can’t even find a DVD of it at Best Buy, but I think that movie is fantastic.

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by TimAllen on Aug 26, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last great Pacino performance.

Best part of that movie to me is Plummer as Wallace freaking out at the Gina Gershon character.

by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Aug 26, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Groundhog day!

classic. It’s gets funnier the more you watch it.

Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control

by littleboxes on Aug 26, 2011 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoops, didn't look here.

Groundhog Day has a really limited cast and is a great little movie anyway.

And really, Local Hero again. Oil exec sent to buy out a Scottish coastal village for use as a staging facility falls in love with the place – over the objections of the locals, who smell the money. Not particularly cynical, either. Weird little comedy.

by feral on Aug 27, 2011 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeep.

Brazil, Blazing Saddles, A Clockwork Orange, Seven Samurai, and Rushmore would be among my top ten. Naming just one? Couldn’t do it.

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by Cynical Jason on Aug 26, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Last Picture Show

The first time I saw it, it ended at 1 am, I turned to my girlfriend, she nodded and we started watching it again right then.

by Django Z on Aug 27, 2011 3:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely. I think its brilliant.

I understand that there may not be another person in the world who thinks that movie is his or her all-time favorite, and I’m cool with that. But I love it.

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by TimAllen on Aug 26, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't back down TimAllen

Favorite Movie is a completely subjective thing, and nobody should have to take shit for their choice.
500 Days is unique in its own way, and I endorse your choice.

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by HumdingerTV on Aug 27, 2011 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

To quote you...

“Really? That’s your favorite movie of all-time?

Really?"

eyeroll.

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by HumdingerTV on Aug 29, 2011 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

No?

Okay.
What were you trying to communicate, then?

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by HumdingerTV on Aug 29, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m trying to communicate that your reply to Tim sounded condescending.
In other words, you were “giving him shit” for saying 500 Days was his favorite movie.
Is there some other way we should have interpreted…
"Really? That’s your favorite movie of all-time?
Really?"

I’m pretty good at sounding like a pretentious, condescending Dbag.
I know pretentious, condescending Dbag.
And, you sounded like a pretentious, condescending Dbag there.

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by HumdingerTV on Aug 30, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gotcha, buddy. Did you see what I prefaced that with, by the way?

Tim didn’t quibble with it. Don’t see why you’re doing this, to be honest.

by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Aug 30, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it was the eyeroll that got me started.

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by HumdingerTV on Aug 30, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I appreciate both of you

Now stop making me think there are new comments that I want to visit in this thread!

by BrettAhlgren on Aug 30, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Okay.

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by PoorDick on Aug 30, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate fighting on the internet

It’s the worst.
Soul sucking.
I’m done.
I’m sorry I contributed.

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by HumdingerTV on Aug 30, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

ha!

Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control

by littleboxes on Sep 1, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cruise is in a lot of good films and...

Cruise is good in a lot of films

are two very different things. ;)

by Django Z on Aug 25, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joe Schmit tweet
Rick Adelman interview went well. He’s very interested but no offer made. #Twolves #NBA

Sounds encouraging!

by sulu on Aug 23, 2011 5:01 PM CDT reply actions  

How Does

Joe freakin’ Schmit know???

Waiting for Relevancy...

by Bombnuke on Aug 23, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joe seems to be the only one who "has an in" with the FO these days

He is the one that broke the news last week that the Wolves were going to bring Adelman in.

Everyone else seems to have burned their bridges. Well, except for Charlie’s bridge to Taylor.

by sulu on Aug 23, 2011 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's the one who got to the Twitter machine first

Lots of people leaked this starting late last night. I’ve always debated whether or not to start up a sources page on the site; a place where we could document what reporters talk to what front office personnel/agents/etc so people could better vet the quotes that come out all the time. For instance, Adrian Wojnarowsklufogus is an agent pimp. Nearly all of his sources are agents. Jerry Z is a somewhat discerning translator of Kahn. Charlie is a Kahn stenographer. And so on and so forth.

The current buzz out of 1st Avenue is that Taylor has taken over the hiring process. It’s one of those “everybody is hearing it” sort of things. Is it true? I don’t know, but I have had a number of people tell me that Moor and Kahn are not as involved as they used to be.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 23, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Joe has a solid hit rate recently though

Gotta admit he’s actually been correct more often than not recently and potentially fact-checking like a real reporter should rather than speculating and being the first to break the story.

by PoohRichardson on Aug 23, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying anything about his hit rate

I know who he generally talks to and I think they’re legit. I just wish there were a media score card for sources.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 23, 2011 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree on the card, some sort of matrix

Just saying by the time Joe reports it lately, it seems to be true and Jerry just seems to be speculating (though I think Zgoda did break they were working to get in RA in this week on last Thursday).

I like the rumors/speculation from Jerry to keep interested and stir the pot, but trust some of the other guys as legit reporting source.

Both have +/-’s, but might say Jerry is inefficient high usage ala Beasley and Joe is efficient lower usage ala KLove.

by PoohRichardson on Aug 23, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed on Jerry as a high usage guy

I don’t think the TC press has an efficient guy right now. Actually, that’s not true. I like Jon K a lot. He is a pro’s pro.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 23, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not living in MN anymore

so don’t know, but just what it seems outside looking in. ESPN blows so need good local reporting for actual story or at least close to it. When I grew up in MN, I though Joe was such a homer (still probably is), I can’t believe I just sort of gave him props.

by PoohRichardson on Aug 23, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

My sense of Jerry Z

is that he’s more prone to toeing the reporters’ line of – speculation is speculation, and he reports it that way. Unless he can confirm things, he simply states it as rumors or speculation. Dude’s a skeptic, and I have no problem with that. The problem I have with Woj is the framing of rumor and innuendo as actual reporting, even though he’s a columnist.

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Aug 26, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

There are definitely different roles to play, here,

and it helps to keep in mind what audience is intended for each type of story. A blog’s different from a column in the print paper, which is different from Shooter’s notes…. Sometimes I don’t think the writers keep those roles sorted out particularly well, themselves.

by feral on Aug 24, 2011 4:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

….especially with Twitter. Some print journalists think they’re columnists in 148 characters.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 24, 2011 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wojnarowski is such an agent's mouthpiece, he often seems to forget there's another perspective.

Sometime last year he said something like

Minnesota’s rapidly turning into a place nobody wants to send players,

and my first reaction was that, you know, Kahn had carried out a large number of trades, and someone was on the other end of all those transactions. But of course Woj is thinking strictly of agents, not the front offices of other teams.

by feral on Aug 24, 2011 4:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

…once you know that about the guy, his columns make more sense.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 24, 2011 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's why I don't listen to his rumors much.

I do like his LeBron character assassinations, but that’s becuz I hate LeBron. LOL

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by pookeyguru on Aug 25, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Accompanied by

A barrage of unintelligible whispering,

by zero_on_up on Aug 23, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was Adelman saying,

“Is that your offer, or are you just happy to see me?”

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by Action on Aug 23, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I will watch a lot of Wolves games if you sign Adelman regardless of what your record is

I already like your team to begin with. Wow. Gluck guys!

Cousins is good but he's no manna from heaven.

by kingme on Aug 23, 2011 5:43 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Just for Today

I will believe that, with Adelman on board,

K Love will be the multidimensional force that Chris Webber was.

Darko will channel his inner Vlade Divac and actually pass as well as Kahn thinks he can.

Spanish chocolate will be more dazzling and efficient than White Chocolate.

Wes Johnson will turn into a better-shooting Doug Christie (minus the wife, as well, naturally).

Derrick Williams will be the ROY.

We trade Beasley because he doesn’t fit into a ball movement offense.

by Vlade on Aug 23, 2011 6:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe not the first...

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n4_v88/ai_16986217/

but the fact that there’s a precedent is encouraging for wishfully thinking that it could happen!

by BeasleBong on Aug 23, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow... just wow
Kidd, an All-American out of the University of California, assisted the Mavericks to a 34-46 season—a 23 game improvement from last year.

11 wins in Dallas. Poor Mav’s. ;0)

by LoveLovesLove on Aug 24, 2011 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I ran into that team in the then-pretty-new Mall of America.

Rest assured, despite being an absolutely miserable team, the Mavs looked healthy, wealthy, and entirely without taste as they strolled the halls of MOA wearing floor-length fur coats.

by feral on Aug 24, 2011 4:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can we actually trade Beasley

for some spanish chocolate? Maybe get some spanish peanuts in the deal too. I hate Beasley.

by Dupey on Aug 24, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

He has to be willing to ditch the Princeton

We don’t need another offense that emphasizes motion and passing by the bigs while Ricky Rubio goes make snow angels in the corner.

by Rascal Flatts on Aug 23, 2011 6:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Passing by the bigs?

I don’t think Beasley could be accused of that. How about an offense that runs a few plays for KLove, instead of him getting his points as an afterthought?

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by Action on Aug 23, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

"The corner is for the wings,esp those who can’t create a shot against a chair"

That’s good news, since the Wolves have more of those than there are corners in which to plop them.

Nice comment, by the way—thank you for your insight.

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by PoorDick on Aug 23, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

(Excellence in posting.)

We always appreciate something like this.

by feral on Aug 24, 2011 4:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Appreciate the feedback

but this hardly allays my fears. I don’t want any tweaking of the Princeton/Rick Adelman offense. I want it ditched. He should run high pick and roll with 4-out and let Ricky Rubio go to work. It should basically be Love/Williams/Pekovic/Beasley/Randolph setting the screens and either rolling or popping, with guys like Webster and Johnson ready at the corners to take the stand still jumper. Simplify, simplify, simplify. Plus I certainly hope Ricky Rubio has free reign on fast breaks! Doesn’t a fast break by definition give players free reign?

What Adelman needs to do is spend the majority of his coaching cycles on defense, while simplifying the offense. I like motion offenses. They sound great in theory and occasionally work great in practice…..with the right players. We don’t have those players.

by Rascal Flatts on Aug 24, 2011 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well said.

That’d be sort of like how last year’s Wolves’ biggest problem was Kevin Love poaching rebounds from his teammates. So we sometimes heard.

by feral on Aug 24, 2011 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder what effect, if any,

an Adelman hire would have on the Wolves’ free agency plans. If they’re going to pay him $5 Million per year, I would think that they’d want to see some immediate returns, beyond a modest improvement from 15 and 17 win seasons.

by Andy G on Aug 24, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Broader picture, I think you have to give Adelman significant say in personnel choices.

He was talking a bit about a GM-ish role in Portland earlier in the year, and going out of his way to say Nate would still be the coach there. I don’t think you really get Rick Adelman on board here without assuring him that he’s got that sort of role.

Again, “Coach/GM” works for me. We’ve done it before, with Flip. If it happens that’s my bet.

by feral on Aug 24, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

that’s the scuttlebutt of Taylor being more involved in the hiring process. Kahn stays on as the legal/contracts/FO grunt role, Ronzone stays on as primary scout, but Adelman comes in as coach and FO leader? Something like that? Let’s remember too that Kahn is entering his last year here. Assuming they can get Adelman one can imagine a pretty smooth transition to this FO being led by RA and Ronzone, with Kahn simply being unsigned after his contract expires.

Kind of a raw deal for Kahn, actually, but maybe that was the gig – come in and do a lot of the dirty work that needed to be done with this roster, don’t sign anybody to huge albatross contracts, and try to accumulate some good, young talent. Done, done, and done. Now the team is set for a real FO and a real coach. Who knows. Makes a little sense. We were all afraid that the hiring of Kahn was simply prep for potentially selling the team. Maybe it was simply a stop gap move to cut costs and position the team for success later, especially with the lockout looming (even years ago people knew it was coming).

I know I’m rambling now, but I find this line of thinking remarkably persuasive, if not for the problem of not believing Taylor capable of this kind of foresight and planning. It seems, though, that the team is remarkably well positioned for the lockout – traded a bunch of picks to accumulate cash to pay off Rambis (whether they’ll admit they did that or not, that’s the reality); they have a bunch of young players on cheap contracts that they control at least through the lockout; they have no expensive superstar players who are missing a year of their primes during the lockout; shoot – they don’t even have a coaching staff they have to pay through the lockout right now. Think about it – let’s say you’re paying a coaching staff $6 million a year in salary. In the two months since firing Rambis with not having a new coaching staff during the lockout, that’s $1 million saved!

I hate to think that this organization at the top decided to use 2-3 seasons as one big reset, and perhaps this all simply started with the team wanting to cut costs and get younger because they recognized they could win 15 games with a cheap roster versus 25 games with an expensive roster (that is, they weren’t going to be making money any time soon so…). But what else ties all this together?

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Aug 26, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Eric in Madison (was it him?) and I remembered this differently:
Let’s remember too that Kahn is entering his last year here.

Whoever it was remembered Kahn as signing a 4-year deal originally, and I remembered 3. When I went to search, the only source I could find saying anything clear either way was one of my old posts on another site. ;-0

by feral on Aug 26, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I always thought it was a 4 year deal. I can’t cite any evidence for that, it’s just what I remember.

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by Eric in Madison on Aug 26, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

“Kind of a raw deal for Kahn, actually, but maybe that was the gig – come in and do a lot of the dirty work that needed to be done with this roster, don’t sign anybody to huge albatross contracts, and try to accumulate some good, young talent. Done, done, and done. Now the team is set for a real FO and a real coach.”
That’s what I think also. Otherwise, there’s no reason for Adelman to return for a separate face-to-face interview with Taylor alone.

by Dave T on Aug 31, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

My biggest concern

is that he spends more of his coaching cycles on installing his offense and less on defense. We’ve seen time and again that the best way to get immediate improvement from an existing set of players is to improve defense. And we also know that coaching has more of an impact on defense than it does on offense. So why waste tons of time trying to teach guys another version of the read-and-react offense when we could get a much bigger bang for our buck on defense.

by Rascal Flatts on Aug 24, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sixers example

They went to Eddie Jordan in 2009-2010. He spent the year trying to get his guys to run the Princeton offense, only to see their defensive rating plummet by ten slots in the rankings from the prior year. And their offensive rating pretty much stayed the same. So the next year, Doug Collins replaced Eddie Jordan, simplifies the offense and emphasizes defense. With pretty much the same personnel, they went from 24th in D-rating to 7th.

Now I know that Eddie Jordan is no Rick Adelman, but still, I’m concerned.

by Rascal Flatts on Aug 24, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think somebody shared some team stats

a while back where Adelman’s Kings were near the top in both offense and defense. I consider him to be a great all-around coach—if the Wolves were to hire him, we could officially narrow our focus on the players only, in my view, and stop wondering whether Randy Wittman or Kurt Rambis was THE problem.

by Andy G on Aug 24, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

I’ll take a coach ranks 9th all time in NBA win percentage amongst coaches with more than 500 games coached (and ahead of Jerry Sloan). Dude may be an offensive coach, but he’s also an excellent head coach which means he understands how to delegate and manage his weaknesses.

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Aug 26, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Adelman's an Offensive Coach,not a Defensive one

RF,
The Wolves won’t hire him because of his defensive chops. They’re going to hire him because he runs a superb offense.
He had a fivesome of Lowry,Martin,Battier,Scola and Hayes put up the second most points of any fivesome in the NBA last season. He runs his offense-he will tweak it for his talent and a superstar will get a free hand,but he will run his motion offense.
As to free rein to PGs on fast break,there are plenty of coaches who might talk about fast-breaking,but will yank their PG as soon as he commits a turnover,just as there are plenty of coaches who don’t like fast breaks at all.

Now for the defense,there are two things to consider.
First,defense is a lot about playing hard. If you don’t play hard for Adelman,he’ll park your butt on the bench. He’s very old school that way.(Playing dumb will also get you a front row seat.)
Second,his long-time Defensive Assistant-Elston Turner-took a job w/Phoenix coaching their D. So it’ll be interesting to see who he would bring in as a Defensive Coach.
Jack Sikma might be the guy. In Houston he was very good working w/the young bigs and in his interviews seemed like another old school guy,who really valued players willing to put in the work.
Defensively,the Rockets didn’t switch much,preferring to hedge hi screens,better(tougher)defenders fighting thru screens,lessor defenders(ie soft ones) going under and the bigs trying to wall off the lane.Preferred not to double unless absolutely neccessary,holding players accountable for individual defense and asking taller bigs to provide help D and shot-blocking.

by Tisbee on Aug 24, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rick Adelman

will be the Timberwolves coach…only if the 2011-2012 season is canceled.

Reduce turnovers, reduce personal fouls, shoot better, win.

by PoohRubio on Aug 23, 2011 6:53 PM CDT reply actions  

I love how there's more chance of a dead guy coaching us than Phil jackson!

Although i do think the late, great Red Auerbach could have done a better job from beyond the grave than Rambis!!!!

by onecanlasher on Aug 23, 2011 7:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Rick + Love

No Rick No Love

Dingus Kahn, it's over

by Flagrant on Aug 23, 2011 10:38 PM CDT reply actions  

No Woman No Cry?

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Aug 24, 2011 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Open comparison to '01-'02 Kings?

Order of the Kings and who from ’Wolves compares…

1. KLove = CWebb
2. DWill/BEasy> Peja
3. Ricky (hopefully) > Bibby
4. Wes (current version) < Christie
5. Darko (current version) < Vlade
6. Ridnour < Bobby Jackson
7. BEasy/Webster > Turkoglu
8. Randolph, Tolly, Pek, etc > Pollard, Funderburke, GWallace (’01 version), etc

Overall, this kind of stacks up nicely sooner than most think if players develop and have good coaching.

by PoohRichardson on Aug 23, 2011 10:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Only flip I'd see is #6

I actually thing Ridnour is more than just serviceable- seems to do what is needed far more than Bobby, who I never thought was any good. I’d give Ridnour the very solid backup PG position most days. Ramon was alright as well.

by LoveLovesLove on Aug 24, 2011 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

2 is totally wrong

We forget how good a young Peja was…here are his stats from 2001-2002: 21.2 ppg on 48% shooting (42 % from 3), 5.3 boards a game, 1.1 steals a game, 2 turnovers a game. That is a very very good year. Beasley hasn’t gotten close to that level of performance and I doubt very much that D. Will will put up such numbers in his rookie year.

by Vlade on Aug 24, 2011 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

It’s sickening that Peja got to the line more often than Beasley did. It’s really easy to forget how much more he was than a 3P specialist.

Another interesting tidbit: The Kings got nearly 9 assists per game from the starting 4 and 5 that year. Super ridiculous. I like to believe that Love is a great passing 4, but Darko would have needed 6 assists per game to match that frontcourt. That doesn’t count air-ball left hooks to Love.

by BeasleBong on Aug 24, 2011 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree on "totally" wrong

On simple metrics, Beas averaged 19.2 pts (45% shooting, 37% on 3’s), 5.6 boards), 0.7 stls, 0.7 blks (Peja’s block stats barely register). So, Beas was a couple points less on slightly lower shooting %, both 2’s and 3’s, and similar rebounding and defensive statistics. Efficiency wise, I’ll give that Peja was much more efficient and Beas isn’t much of a defender (though Peja wasn’t a lock-down D guy either).

However, this was B-Easy’s 2nd season and look at Peja’s second season — 11.9 pts, 45% shooting, 38% on 3’s and B-Easy compares favorably, at least statistically. Add the fact that DWill is on roster and, in my opinion, should eventually surpass Beas on both ends of the court in time if not right away.

Maybe current Beas/DWill combo > ’01 Peja is a stretch, but calling it “totally” wrong is simply hyperbole.

by PoohRichardson on Aug 24, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was actually Beasley's third season

and here is a comparison of both players’ third seasons. I think “totally wrong” is actually pretty close to the mark, though I guess that’s subjective. The differences really show up in the advanced stats. Counting on a rookie to make up that gap seems a little too optimistic to me.

by Madison Dan on Aug 24, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Need that edit feature

realized I typed 2nd instead of 3rd right after I posted…

Anyways meant to compare a 22-yr old Beas to 22-yr old Peja and it certainly wasn’t laid out in my post. Peja’s simple and advanced stats jumped significantly from age 22 to 23 (more so simple stats due to increased minutes but advanced improved quite a bit as well). On the advanced stats, I agree, largely because Beas has been less efficient than Peja was.

I won’t fall on the sword defending position, but don’t think it’s totally wrong to think that Beas can improve efficiency after age 22 or DWill does it instead (which I think is more likely once DWill has a couple years experience).

Optimistic yes, totally wrong no. What would be totally wrong would be to take the roster comparison and then make a statement that therefore the Wolves will/should be in the Western conference finals this year.

by PoohRichardson on Aug 24, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

The main difference...

is that Peja became more efficient (and in his early years, more used) nearly every year until he was 26 with a .480-.433-.927 line in scoring 24 points per game. Beasley’s best year to date was his rookie season, and he’s become less efficient every year since. While I’ll grant you that he played a lot more SF than he’s used to, and efficiency decreases when usage rises, he’s still given us no reason to believe he’ll make a leap of any sort.

As for Williams, while I’m optimistic, I need to see what his role for us will be before I pass any judgment on him.

by BeasleBong on Aug 24, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you're sayin' there's a chance...

Good points on Peja and Beas.

I’m not a huge believer in Beas drastically improving efficiency either though think he could improve if he matures and improves shot selection. Also think I probably have higher expectations of DWill than most but without seeing him play yet, it’s pure speculation at this point. Only 1 of the 2 needs to happen though and both seem plausible so I’m optimistic.

by PoohRichardson on Aug 24, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Beasley starts getting to the line his efficiency will improve drastically.

However, he’s got a lot of adjustments to make to his style of play before he starts getting to the line – 20 foot jumpers draw virtually no fouls, and recklessly barreling into the lane draws charging calls against him instead of blocking fouls against his opponents. Furthermore, Beasley has shown little to no signs of making progress in these areas.

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by ynotsema2 on Aug 25, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just thinking (which hurts)

that we could trade Beasley and Randolph to clear up some congestion in the backcourt. Let Williams get some minutes, and let Love be the rebound-hogging-star that he is.

by Dupey on Aug 31, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

This maybe goes without saying

but 1 is a bit optimistic. Webber, when healthy in Sacramento, was one of the league’s very best players. The Wolves don’t have anyone quite that dominant.

It’s tough to evaluate 2, because the players are quite different, but I tend to agree with the posts above that Peja was significantly better than Beasley has been, so far. I think Peja was Top-5 in MVP voting one year—or something close to that—which is territory that no current Wolf has ever sniffed.

by Andy G on Aug 24, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

To the stat machine!

Here’s a comparison of Love’s third year to Webber in 2000-1 (his 8th year). Love scores more efficiently and rebounds a lot better. Webber is better with assists and defense. Overall, it seems reasonable to me to put them in the same league. Love is a bit harder to appreciate, because his value comes from rebounding and efficient scoring rather than highlight reel plays. So it may be a bit optimistic, but I don’t think it’s crazy.

by Madison Dan on Aug 24, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree

my opinion of Love is pretty well-fleshed out, but just to compare to Webber, I’ll throw in that he was 4th in MVP voting that year, and was in the middle of a stretch where he made 1st Team All-NBA (that year), three 2nd Teams, and a 3rd Team.

Forward was not exactly weak in the early 2000’s, either (Malone, Garnett, Duncan, G. Hill, McGrady, Nowitzki). He was an incredible player, and a clear notch above the best Wolves on these terrible teams we’ve had the last few years.

by Andy G on Aug 24, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kind of off-topic, but BP is conducting an NBA Draft

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1836

Love goes 15.

15. Bradford A – Kevin Love, PF, Minnesota Timberwolves
In terms of best player available, I would have been tempted to take Love anyway. From a mad hoops scientist perspective, I can’t resist the idea of pairing Love and Howard. I think Love’s face-up and passing abilities can make it work and having Howard to protect the rim can paper over Love’s defensive shortcomings. And don’t expect to ever get a rebound against my team. At the same time, I kind of worry about the diminishing returns of having a pair of dominant defensive rebounders.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 24, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know it's wild/stupid hoping and dreaming

but it’s not 100% unreasonable to think that the Wolves could trade most/all of their young players (except Love) and picks, take back a couple of bad contracts, and end up with the “All-Efficency Team” of Howard, Love, Chris Paul, and nine other guys with nice smiles and firm handshakes.

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by PoorDick on Aug 24, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I actually think...

….their best shot at that sort of approach was on the night of the 09 Draft.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 24, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

TO THE WAYBACK MACHINE!

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by PoorDick on Aug 24, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come with me, Sherman.

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by Cynical Jason on Aug 24, 2011 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Careful Dave.

Or I’ll go wayback to before you were born.

by Dupey on Aug 24, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I've been thinking for awhile...

…that if the Wolves had taken Rubio, DeMar DeRozan, Darren Collison and Marcus Thornton in the 1st round, yall would be a lot happier today.

Then again, who knows? Maybe none of those guys develop as they did in their various spots up to this point too.

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by pookeyguru on Aug 25, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I live in fantasy world...

But even I know that Chris Paul will have to be taken from NOLA’s cold dead fingers.
Howard is a possibility, but you’d have to realize that our lineup would be this:
1: Paul, Arenas
2: Hayward, Ellington
3: Turkoglu, Ewing Jr.
4: Love, Anderson
5: Howard, Darko

by Dupey on Aug 24, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm no capologist

but wouldn’t that roster be about $100 Million north of any salary cap?

by Andy G on Aug 24, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

In only his third year

Love has put up a TS% that’s higher than Webber had in any season during his entire career. Love’s average TS% across his first three seasons is higher than all but one of Webber’s single-season values, and in that season he only played 15 games. Love’s rebounding rates obliterate what Webber did. When I say they’re in the same league, I’m not diminishing Webber’s accomplishments, but appreciating what Love has done.

Through their first three seasons, they performed pretty comparably. We can bicker about the quality of any one advanced stat, but across the board, Love does pretty well. PER is about the same; TS% is higher; rebounding rate is much higher; assists, blocks, and steals are lower; offensive rating is a lot higher; defensive rating is a bit lower. Stats may not tell the whole story, but those are a lot of different stats telling a pretty similar story.

I’ll guess that you’ll come back with one more stat: wins and losses. That may indicate that Love is a statistical mirage, but I think it’s more likely that the rest of the team is just that bad.

by Madison Dan on Aug 24, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not the wins and losses for me

as it is having sat through so many Wolves games since Love joined the squad. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist or basketball expert to see that the Wolves lack and have lacked an elite difference maker, ever since KG left. That includes Big Al, who I used to enjoy watching. C-Webb, for a while there, was one of those guys. I wouldn’t ever attribute the entire 44-win differential between ‘01 Kings and ’11 Wolves to the Webber-Love comparison (Webber clearly had better teammates and coaching), but I think it’s a small part of it.

I don’t think the difference between Webber and Love is as significant as it is clear, if that makes sense. That’s just my opinion—and I’m not comparing 3rd year Webber, but the Kings version, where this string began.

by Andy G on Aug 24, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I compared Love to the Kings version above

and it’s a pretty similar result, the biggest difference being that Webber’s D rating got a lot better.

I’d agree that Love isn’t the kind of “elite difference maker” that you’re probably thinking of. I think he’s more like Pau Gasol (stay with me here), who is a really good player, but not the kind of guy who makes a team a lot better all by himself. That is, I don’t know that the Lakers would be much better by swapping out an in-prime Gasol for an in-prime Webber, because they already have Kobe as the “elite difference maker”. (Even though a prime Webber may have been done more for last year’s Wolves than a prime Gasol would have.) So what I’m saying is, we’ve got ourselves an elite complementary player in Love. Not a new argument, I know, but I’m sticking to it.

by Madison Dan on Aug 24, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Love is a VERY unique player

and I think that is why there is so much disagreement on his overall value. I think my take on him (roughly a Top-25 player in the league) is in-between what I consider to be the extremes that either focus too much on his individual stats or too much on his team’s record and lack of athleticism.

Gasol, for what it’s worth, was a franchise cornerstone-type of player on some pretty decent Grizzlies teams with a suspect cast of supporting players. He wasn’t winning titles, but he was winning way more than the non-KG Wolves teams ever have.

by Andy G on Aug 24, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think a top-25 ranking is reasonable.

I actually had to check on Gasol’s Memphis teams before I posted, and you’re right that some of them did pretty well. But there were enough bad (20-something win) seasons mixed in that I thought the analogy still held up well enough.

by Madison Dan on Aug 24, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gasol's role

and perceived value, have fluctuated a lot over his career. There have been times when he’s been considered by many to be the Lakers’ MVP. There have been other times like the first go-around with Boston and last spring versus Dallas when he’s looked pretty weak.

by Andy G on Aug 24, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was gonna state Webber>Love last night

but I didn’t want to open Pandora’s box.

Now that it’s open, the two aren’t possible to compare on paper. Love is an elite complimentary player, which means even though he’s clearly the best player on this team, the situations in which he plays (combined with his talent) clearly make for him to be super-duper efficient. If he was (terrifying thought) on a worse team (or at least a team without “playmakers” like Beasley) and was forced into more isolation situations, or had more plays called for him, he’d clearly be less efficient than he was this year. Can we all agree on that?

On the other hand, that’s what Webber was great at. For nearly every year of his career but the Run-TMC year of GS and his last years in Philly, Detroit, and GS when he was a kneeless compliment, Webber was thrusted into a situation in which it was nearly impossible for him to efficiently create stats. On the other hand, he was also in a situation where his play had more of an outcome on the team’s winning percentage (for better or worse, but usually for better). So asking “Is 25-10-5 more impressive than a more efficient 20-15-2.5?” doesn’t hold any water for me because the comparison is of different guys. This is why it’s really difficult to debate Love against any historical NBA player.

While I wrote this post, the debate carried on below me, so if I’m redundant I apologize.

by BeasleBong on Aug 24, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gasol's Grizzlies topped out with a 50-win season.

They made the playoffs a few times in a row, but won exactly 0 playoff games in his time there.

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by ynotsema2 on Aug 25, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

All of that is true

and consistent with what I wrote, above.

by Andy G on Aug 25, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah but Webber had been in the NBA far longer than Love.

You’ve gotta give Love a few more years. I mean look what he did last year with adding the 3pt shot. If he makes a few more key additions to his game he could be on that same level that Webber was on.

by Bad News Wolves on Aug 24, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

What key additions do you think he could make?

His low post game can become more polished by adding some fakes and fancy footwork. His court vision and passing are about as good as they’re likely to get – although he will definitely benefit from improvement by his supporting cast (which will make his statistics improve without his play actually improving). He could improve his three point shooting by a few points and his free throw shooting by about 5 points at most. He’s not likely to be able to develop any ability to create his own shot from the perimeter. He’s also not likely to increase the number of free throw attempts he gets by more than 0.5 per game or so.
On the defensive end is where he has the most room for improvement. By most accounts he’s a decent one-on-one post up defender. He struggles mightily to guard stretch fours because of his lack of athleticism. He’s often about a half-step slow on his rotations, which is one thing I think he will improve on – though making defensive rotations is really a team activity and his improvement won’t make much of a difference if everyone else doesn’t improve as well. He doesn’t block many shots, but with improved timing he could probably increase his bpg by 0.2-0.3.
Realistically, Love’s statistics are pretty phenomenal already and the only one that is likely to improve significantly over the course of his career is his winning percentage.

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by ynotsema2 on Aug 25, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong his stats are already great

but his defense could improve with proper coaching. If he can take that step and work on his court vision and polish his post game he’ll be Webber level.

by Bad News Wolves on Aug 25, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

SI.com interview:
SI.com: Everyone loves to talk about how dangerous the Wolves could be playing up-tempo ball, but maybe the best way for you guys to become competitive every night is to be a decent defensive team. Give me one or two concrete ways — beyond just trying harder — that you guys can make that happen next season.

Love: We need, first and foremost, to have a training camp. Our focus in that camp has to be on the defensive end. We are going to pay up-tempo and all, but we’re going to have to be the scrappiest team and the dirtiest team, the kind of team where people say, "Oh, man, we have to play them tonight? On the second night of a back-to-back? We know what we’re in for." But it has to start in training camp and with that mindset. We have to be the scrappiest team, and we can’t be afraid to hit first. That’s how the youngest team in the league is going to be respectable, and get the respect of other players and the respect of the refs. It’s easier said than done.

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011…e/?eref=sircrc

by feral on Aug 25, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I really like this!

I would like to see a bit of a nasty streak in the Wolves. Thought Laimbeer would have been the guy, but who knows what the hell went on between him and Rambis – did we actually work on that ole’ style of defense in practice??

I like what was said about the old school style of Adelman – play hard, play smart or sit. Maybe Darko will get the message…and flee back to Europe.

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by SoDakHmr on Aug 25, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Laimbeer was a dirty player on the court...

…but that seemed to translate into being an a-hole coach off the court.

I don’t think anyone was interested in learning much of anything from him.

by Django Z on Aug 25, 2011 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he was...

I just looked at the success in the WNBA and figured that the guy’s gotta have something that works. I don’t advocate dirty play at all, but let’s be aggressive and stand our ground.

Let’s just say I wouldn’t have minded somebody risking a fine/suspension for jacking Bynum in the teeth after the flagrant on Beasley.

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by SoDakHmr on Aug 26, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lol!

This just made my day!

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by SoDakHmr on Aug 27, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

You'd be an a-hole if you had to fight robots on the basketball court all day

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by nja700 on Aug 27, 2011 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I remember renting this once.

Pretty sure it was never rented again.

You were a daydreamer, a sass-mouth, and, not infrequently, a bit of a gigglepuss. Somehow I doubt twenty years of amphetamines and failure have done anything to improve that.

by Kevin Loves McHale's Navy on Aug 27, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just like Love even more...

…damn, get him a decent coach and something good just might happen.

by Django Z on Aug 25, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Day After

All this news trickling out seems very very positive, and if he went to Taylors crib even more positive….the mere fact that he showed up puts it above 50% chance in my book.

Taylor has shown in that past he is not shy about opening up the checkbook, it will not be about Money.

 

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by beatsandpeasnyc on Aug 24, 2011 9:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Cautiously optimistic

Adelman mighttake this gig. I’m preparing myself for the announcement of Sam Mitchell, but I don’t see neither the Wolves nor Adelman having the incentive to flirt this much. It’s starting to feel real.

by Hold_Steady on Aug 24, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Retractions are tough

but commendable. The only positive thing IMO that can come out of Glen becoming more involved is maybe finally turning the page on Rob Moor. If Glen is sidestepping both Kahn and Moor to make this hire, maybe Moor goes down with Kahn and we start fresh in the front office next offseason. Probably a far fetched fantasy, but one can hope.

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by Ebomb on Aug 24, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks to me like Adelman will be GM & coach

That would attract Adelman, and straighten out front office responsibilities.

It also fits with Glen taking over the hiring decision and becoming more hands on.

Kahn is very good at salary cap management and working the trade wires for good deals. He would be a good assistant to Adelman, taking a lot of the GM duties so Rick can focus on coaching. But Adelman will be the guy that decides on players and drafting, and becomes the face of the franchise at coach/GM level.

So, if Glen hires Adelman, and Kahn is essentially a reasonably priced, detail-oriented right hand to Rick, then who needs Rob Moor? Until now, Moor was a guy between Taylor and Kahn. Now, Adelman will be the guy between Taylor and Kahn. With Kahn as POBO, Moor was, shall we say, not outshined. But with Adelman in the FO, Moor will be totally eclipsed, and viewed as a useless expense by Taylor’s investors.

The outcome I prefer is RA as coach & GM, Kahn working for RA, and Rob Moor works in another part of the Taylor empire. I think that is a reasonably high probability outcome — way higher than RA as coach and Kahn as POBO.

Taylor will certainly realize that he’s gonna get a lot more fan interest and much higher revenues, so he will go for it.

Adelman will see it as an opportunity of interest, because he runs the show, with some good pieces.

To cap it off, Love will stay if Adelman is coach.

I’m praying for it…

 

by timmuggs on Aug 24, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

oh please let it be so

that would make it the best Twolves offseason in franchise history (unless I’m missing something)

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by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Aug 25, 2011 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

actually posted something very similar to this above (because I hadn’t read this far yet).

Another aspect to consider in the power structure: Kahn, earns $1 million a year. Adelman, earns $4 million a year minimum. Hard to think Adelman wouldn’t hold a lot of sway in the FO with that kind of salary discrepancy. It’s not like Kahn is a Riley, Buford, or even Ainge type GM with either the track record or NBA player experience to back up his credibility. So far his biggest win has been convincing Rubio to come here (and, I would add, holding true to his younger, longer, faster, higher credo of the kinds of players he wants. I like exciting basketball).

Lastly, there is the small detail about loyalty and Kahn. Taylor typically goes out of his way to those who fall on swords for him, and I think despite everything Kahn has been a very faithful servant employee for Taylor. If this all goes down with RA as GM/Coach, don’t be surprised if Kahn is kept on in some capacity.

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Aug 26, 2011 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, that's the way I see it

Kahn would be delighted to be part of a FO with RA as the head.

Kahn gets the credit for the turnaround and hiring RA, and that gets him an interview for other FO posts on other teams. He comes out of this looking very good, assuming RA is hired. Even taking on a secondary role willingly would be a credit to him, ‘he did it for the team’. Which would essentially be correct.

by timmuggs on Aug 26, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plenty of titles available

Kahn retains his title as POBO or is transitioned to a different ambiguous title , Adelman is GM/Coach, Executive POBO/Coach, whatever.

Kahn gets a sideways looking “promotion”

by TwinATL on Aug 28, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

Could make for 1st unanimous poll.

by PoohRichardson on Aug 25, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

God, yes!

(hits knees and repeats, “Please, please, please…”)

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by SoDakHmr on Aug 25, 2011 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Be advised

Adelman in previous stops has had virtually no inter-action w/his owners.
So I doubt he’ll be the GM/Coach. He’ll have a huge say-perhaps the final one-on personnel,but he won’t be the guy making deals.

by Tisbee on Aug 25, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

He did show some interest in the personnel role proper in Portland earlier this summer.

Who knows? Maybe that was one way to look to move on, for him. That’s sort of how it was reported at the time. It went something like:

Adelman expresses interest in Portland Trail Blazers’ GM job
PUBLISHED Saturday, May 28, 2011
….However, Adelman, who coached Portland to the NBA Finals in 1990 and 1992, told the Portland Tribune that he has no interest in returning to that particular job — especially since the Blazers still employ Nate McMillan.
…."I have no interest in the head coaching job," he says. "I need to make that clear. They have a really good coach. Nate has done a great job."

by feral on Aug 26, 2011 4:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just a thought...

but, could it be that Adelman takes the HC position with the caveat that he will be able to move into the GM spot in, say, 3 years (counting this lockout year as a season). He can establish the system as coach and then have the power to name his successor. Wouldn’t be a bad incentive…

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by SoDakHmr on Aug 26, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, posted before reading through everything again...

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by SoDakHmr on Aug 27, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

("Way back" like in mid July before Adelman was a real candidate.)

It came up when we were talking about Joerger.

Personally I’d rather have seriously considered Dave Joerger, and would still probably take him over Adelman at this point. But Rick Adelman’s a very decent candidate, for sure, so give him the extra title and the route forward from here.

by feral on Aug 28, 2011 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cool

I don’t want to beat a dead horse, I only want to clarify.
Does that mean you consider those three candidates to be “desperate to get back in or someone who needs money” and that they are only a “warm body to sit on the end of the bench”?
Outside of Phil Jackson, there isn’t a better coach available than Adelman. Period.

Have we identified anyone who is “good at what they do” that rejected overtures for an interview?

Again, I’m not meaning this as an attack.
I swing on a weekly basis between poisonous cynicism and irrational exuberance.
But, to not see the candidates we have interviewed as the best batch to have ever been considered for the position….
Well, I feel like it’s forgetting our sad history.
What coach that we have hired in the past has done ANYTHING besides serve as an assistant, dominate the CBA or rack up losing records as head coaches in the Association?

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by HumdingerTV on Aug 24, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong target. Flagrant was champion of the "who would actually take the Wolves coaching job" argument.

Mplax owns Ellington as triage PG.

That’s all I’ve got off the top of my head.

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by Airete on Aug 24, 2011 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I cried laughing at this.

Which is a shame, because I woke my girlfriend up in the process.

by Dupey on Aug 24, 2011 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

And

then?

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by PoorDick on Aug 25, 2011 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

It only led to

her giving me a dirty look, like: Why in god’s name did you wake me up laughing at a basketball column?

Needless to say, she’s not a fan of basketball.

by Dupey on Aug 25, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

still waiting...

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by littleboxes on Aug 25, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cool to see the mea culpa...

…but Adelman is the only one on that list who would really count.

Nelson and Mitchell aren’t exactly having their phones ring off the hooks.

Still if Adelman comes aboard we’ll all be pleasantly surprised.

And great, great news that Taylor is being more hands on. Because I don’t see any other way we get Adelman. Also, every critique we’ve had of the organization ultimately comes back to Taylor…time he stepped in and made things right or at least tried.

by Django Z on Aug 25, 2011 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

80% chance

I’ll be content with the hire. So translating that through the Wolves Mojo calculator I guess its time to get ready from Sam.

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by Ebomb on Aug 24, 2011 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be a lot more comfortable with Sam than Nellie...

if I thought we were getting 2005 Nellie, that’d be one thing, but he seemed pretty immature, tired, checked out, all of the above, toward the end in Golden State.

Sam, whatever his faults may be (and most that I’ve read appear to be speculative), is young, and has a decent track record with talent-deprived teams.

by Andy G on Aug 24, 2011 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

All three

and some of the others are preferable to Rambis.

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by PoorDick on Aug 24, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hate that Kurt Rambis

Derrick Williams was going to Bust...but then he was selected by the Timberwolves!

by Ebomb on Aug 24, 2011 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sam

It’s too late for him to coach the ‘08-’09 and ’09-10 teams…

by PoohRichardson on Aug 24, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nellie has also had some time off, has family here, and has a roster suited to his style of play. Yes I don’t want an immature, tired, checked out head coach, but I am not as quick as you to write him off.

Sam Mitchell just doesn’t seem like the right fit for this roster at this time for this franchise. He’s not a new basketball voice, just more of the same.

Derrick Williams was going to Bust...but then he was selected by the Timberwolves!

by Ebomb on Aug 24, 2011 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

You could be right about either of those guys.

I hope we don’t find out because Adelman takes the job.

But, how is Mitchell not a new basketball voice? The only “more of the same” candidate in my view would be JB Bickerstaff.

by Andy G on Aug 24, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the actuall Nellie will make you alot less happy than the fantasy Nellie

I was in the bay area while he was coach there…yeah, some fun memories, but he’s a loose cannon who I would want nowhere near any franchise I cared about.

He’s getting worse as he gets older.

by Django Z on Aug 25, 2011 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

He’s a train wreck at this point.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 25, 2011 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree also

and witnessed the horrible slow lingering death in Golden State up close as well. I have no problem with the fantasy Nelson coaching the Wolves in the finer points of NellieBall. But it’s the actual man I do not trust around the team’s young players.

by dropstep on Aug 25, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't we just have waited until there was a hire to do this again?

Going there based on Jerry Zgoda’s projected odds seems, er, premature.

by feral on Aug 24, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

So good to come back to CH and see actual NBA basketball being discussed.

Cost of hiring Rick Adelman = 10% stake in the team
Gets to overrule Kahn on draft and trades
Gets to fire Kahn before Kahn can fire him
$6mil per year

For what it’s worth, and I saw just about every game Peja played for the Kings: There is no real comparison between Peja and Michael Beasly. Peja played the game at a different level, not really close.

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by Bluejohn on Aug 24, 2011 5:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Living in Thailand for the past 9 months, I can say that...

…“Thai food” is far superior in America.

Also, its amazing what people can do in flip-flops.

by Django Z on Aug 25, 2011 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

I’d love to hear more about that. Where in Thailand are you (and please don’t say Bangkok)?

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by TMiss on Aug 25, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Koh Samui

I just think the quest for “authentic” food in foreign countries sometimes misses the point that good food has to come from good ingredients. And in poor, exploited countries, like Thailand, good, quality ingredients are not always in ready supply.

Also, they really don’t get the keep foods hot or cold bit – there are a whole lot of Thai folks with intestinal problems walking around every day, it’s not just the farangs (foreigners).

by Django Z on Aug 25, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

You need to get into WNBA basketball

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by TimAllen on Aug 24, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

What leveling metric are you using?

Are we talking Super Mario Brothers style with 8 levels with 4 sub parts each? Did Peja have more experience points at the same age? I don’t disagree that Peja may in fact have played the game at a different level, so I think you may have a point here.

But it also sounds like you may have an emotional attachment to Peja that you just don’t have with Beasley. You admittedly watched every game that Peja played for the Kings. That sounds like bias. In order to make a direct comparison, you would have had to have watched every game that Beasley has played so far in the NBA. I just don’t think I can trust your opinion here as having merit.

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by Ebomb on Aug 24, 2011 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe not yet...

But you have a full career to judge Peja on and 3 years of Beasley wherein he’s played for 2 teams that had significant roster turnover every year and played out of position with no PG in a questionable system for the roster last year. My point was to compare 22-yr old Peja to 22-yr old Beas, where it appears your judging Peja’s complete body of work against Beasley’s 3 years.

Also I posted combo of DWill/Beas and granted we don’t have any NBA experience to compare Peja and DWill, he was the 2nd overall pick in draft and rated by many as top pick. I know, I know, weak draft…

I think the two of them, DWill/Beas have a higher ceiling than Peja given a couple years of development and the right coach/system that one of them could equal or better Peja. Will it happen, don’t know? To be so dismissively omniscient doesn’t add much to the conversation though.

by PoohRichardson on Aug 24, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

My bad on reply...

…it obviously wasn’t in response to Ebomb’s post.

I blame myself.

by PoohRichardson on Aug 24, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Listen, Ebomb (If that is your real name),

I don’t think you should be going around and taunting people into watching every game that Beasley has played in. I don’t make you watch all 48 episodes of BJ and the Bear.

by Dupey on Aug 24, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

A man & his monkey....

Now that’s must see TV.

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by pookeyguru on Aug 25, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Beas

I’m really surprised by all the lingering affection for Beas’s game. The guy isn’t a bad player. He just brings very little to the table other than scoring. And he isn’t a particularly efficient scorer. To compare him to Peja is just ridiculous – Madison Dan laid out their third year stats above and Peja’s win share was 10.1 whereas Beas’s was 1.7. I guess you can argue, as PoohR has, that Beas might astronomically improve this year because he is about to turn 23 (notwithstanding that Beas’s beast year thus far has been his rookie year), but that seems very unlikely to me. Simply put, if we had Peja of the Sacto Kings days, we’d be fighting for the playoffs. With Beasley as our second best player after Love, we’ll be lucky to get 30 wins.

by Vlade on Aug 25, 2011 12:38 AM CDT reply actions  

I think you got the wrong idea here.

The only time it was truly stated theat Beasley was better than Peja was "2. DWill/BEasy> Peja " now this also includes Williams so there is still a chance he could have a pheonmanal year and prove this statement true (unlikely). However, It was then recanted as being a stretch. The argument then continued in defending the fact that the comparison was not “totally wrong” rather than the fact that Beasley was in fact better.

Beasley is mostly a volume scorer yes, but he has the size and athleticism (perhaps not the coachability) to become a competent defender. But he is good in iso situations, and showed potential as a clutch threat. He is better than just a guy scoring on a lousy team.

I think 90% of us agree that DWill/BEasy is not > Peja, but to try comparing them is less than “ridiculous.”

by Waucckhewww on Aug 25, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

that's a good summary

I still have a lot of affection for Beas Game. He has the skills to be a really good scorer in the league. I think having Rubio will help him a lot because the ball will be out of his sticky hands and he can go get the alley oops and blow by defenders. Also as much as we get upset about the long twos. He shoots one of the highest percentage of them in the NBA (at least he was at one point last season).

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by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Aug 25, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know if I am alone.

I thought Beasley had a decent season, even considering inefficiency and TOs. I wish he had any sort of defensive improvement, but I thought he nearly proved he could be a scorer and a late game threat which was a different role than he played in Miami. First year with the team, improved on his previous season, adapted to his role. I think this is the season where we will find out whether he can ever amount to anything more than an inefficient, yet slightly above average player.

by Waucckhewww on Aug 25, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

You are not alone.

I was pleasantly surprised by Beasley, with all he could do as a scorer.

My biggest gripes with him were his defense on shooters (hardly alone in this department, on the Rambis Wolves) and his inconsistency.

I’m hoping the former will be helped by a new coach, and the latter will be helped by renewed health—he sprained both his ankles, multiple times, last year.

Surround Beasley with the right kind of players and he could be a leading scorer on a good team. JR Rider was, for a couple years, after he left the Wolves and was considered a cancer. If Beas gets arrested and/or in any more public trouble, he’ll probably get shipped off for another “fresh start.”

by Andy G on Aug 25, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im in Beasley's corner as far the SF postion is concerned

with the SF position you need to be able to create shots out of isolation, what Beasley did alot last year and he answered the call last year accordingly after he was a 3rd option at best in Miami. If you think its easy to go from going from 3rd option to 1st is easy you re kidding yourself. His 33 point game against the Blazers and both his games against the Celtics are the ones that stick out to me when thinking about what Beasley become as a closer when we make it to playoffs eventually. And we will eventually as the old dynasties are dying out in the west and are slowly going into rebuild mode. Derrick Williams isn’t anywhere near to be a starting SF, he is a PF until he is consistently able create his own shot out of isolation. He seems like the type of player that would be reliant on a distributing PG to put him in position to score ,i.e. a PF. If by some unbelievable chance we make it to the playoffs we’ll need a SF like Beasley that can create a shot on his own or create enough space for others. Since i magine Rubio will be getting the Rondo" I dare you to shoot" Rondo treatment next year

by monro on Aug 27, 2011 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Man I hope Rick takes this job.

I hope Taylor ponies up the dough. Even though I’m not a Wolves fan, I’d be excited to see how Rick Adelman could help direct and shape this squad moving forward.

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by pookeyguru on Aug 25, 2011 12:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope so to

This would be a coup for the team and completely out of character with what has happened in recent years. An honest to Pete grown up would be brought into the fold.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 25, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Toss in the love Chris Palmer is tweeting about Williams now and it's a good Wolves day.
He’s as strong and athletic as you’ve heard. His leaping ability has to be seen to be believed. Great hands and very active around the rim.
Williams’ best tool is his drop step which is fast, powerful and covers a lot of ground. It will serve him very well in the NBA

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by Airete on Aug 25, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice

He has been getting a lot of positive press for his work this summer. Can’t wait to see him play in a Wolves uniform.

Physically (not skills), he reminds me of a taller Iggy.

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by Wile E Coyote on Aug 25, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

He laso says this:

Fancies himself a 3 but he’s definitely a 4. On both sides of the ball. Could be a super athletic David West.

by Simitar on Aug 25, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

A "super athletic David West"

Sounds like Amare Stoudemire.

If Adelman takes the job, maybe he’ll move Love to the Chuck Hayes Center Position, and Williams can move into the 4 spot.

by Andy G on Aug 25, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

This off season could have (could still be) the turning point

The whole coaching thing should have been solved before the draft. Just imagine an off season where in the period of a month we could have seen Kahn and Rambis get tossed overboard, a real GM brought in, Adelman hired, Rubio coming over and D-Will drafted. I hope we get the lite version of this (i.e. Kahn still around) but I just hope that if Adelman comes in that he will have the chops to get rid of Moor and Kahn and to get Taylor back to his not-caring ways. The fundamental problem with this franchise still exists: Taylor getting involved and letting his former son-in-law run things.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 25, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I don't know what the heck you think you know (SnP)

But Adelman’s interest in the Wolves job is directly related to one thing and only one thing: the roster that David Kahn has assembled.

Sure, there are lessor factors involved, both pros and cons. And you guys still love to downplay “long and athletic”. But to think Adelman’s interest and eventual acceptance of this job is anything other than the brilliant roster transformation that Kahn has made in a mere two years is fooling yourself.

The info you’ve been passing on lately from your “inside” sources has made little sense. On one hand you’re implying that Taylor has stepped in and taken over the hiring process. Yet it’s Kahn who put together the “job description” that so perfectly matches Adelman. And it’s Kahn who made first contact a couple weeks ago. Yet we are to believe that Taylor has pushed Kahn aside so he can make this happen?!? I thought Taylor was the one behind bringing in Smitch for an interview.

I don’t expect you to remove your blinders any time soon. But I have a tough time imagining anyone else coming in here and within two years transforming the roster into something “a lot of people really like”, enough so to attract a big-time coach that I doubt would give the Wolves a second thought before Kahn.

by sulu on Aug 25, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Of course Kevin Love is a plus

But if you are suggesting that Love is the #1 reason Adelman decided to come save the Wolves, well you share the same blinders…

SnP has been successful turning guys like Oceanary and PD over to his dark side. I’ld really like to know what it is that they see that Adelman is apparently missing!

by sulu on Aug 25, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are suggesting that — at least among players...

Kevin Love is not the #1 reason Adelman decided to come save the Wolves?

by LoveTo on Aug 25, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

The thought that “save Love” is higher than “I can do something with this collection of talent” is just plain silly!

by sulu on Aug 25, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well right.

But the #1 reason he thinks he can do something with this collection of talent?

by LoveTo on Aug 25, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since you keep invoking my name

in your apparent jihad to convince us that the Timberwolves are a well-run, highly-effective, championship-caliber basketball team, let me ask you this:

What’s your response going to be if Adelman either isn’t offered, or doesn’t accept the head coaching job?

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by PoorDick on Aug 25, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your question needs to be split in two, PD.

If Adelman isn’t offered, it means that he isn’t good enough for the Wolves organization.

If he doesn’t accept, its because he knows he couldn’t handle such great talent and did the honorable thing by stepping out of the way.

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by TimAllen on Aug 25, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Got it.

Thank you!

By the way, do you have a space all cleared out on your mantle for your Maya Moore bobblehead?

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by PoorDick on Aug 25, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I sure do. Right now, the order of bobbleheads goes:

Dwight Schrute, Jonny Flynn, Lindsay Whalen, Maya Moore.

It’s a very exclusive club. =)

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by TimAllen on Aug 25, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

You need a center

On line editorial meeting:

You’re covering the remaining games at Target Center, right?

(BTW: I think this is probably the best example of how we cannot possibly be a coordinated effort against anything or idea. We’re simply not that organized.)

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 25, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, sir. That's the plan.

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by TimAllen on Aug 25, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent

I’ll try to make it up there for the game on the 30th.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 25, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh heh

Way to throw them off the scent—it worked out even better than we planned, and they won’t expect a thing.

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by PoorDick on Aug 25, 2011 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

So we found the Jade Monkey? And the Maltese Falcon?

Where are we on the silver slippers?

Toddler Riley Scientist

by ynotsema2 on Aug 25, 2011 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome!

Are you Taylor – the guy who should be off selling hearing aids and far away from basketball
Oceanary – Kahn the editor who makes all of the moves?
TimAllen – Jonah Ballow the guy who has to be positive about everything (even Flynn) even though he cries himself to sleep?
and Wyn – Rob Moore the secretive sketchy character behind the scenes?

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by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Aug 26, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can I be

Crunch?

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by PoorDick on Aug 26, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

sure!

I’ll be the guys yelling MVP every time Love takes a free throw! Everyone else can choose their role (or switch it)! Oh golly gee this will be such a fun game!

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by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Aug 26, 2011 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

also that's a crowded backcourt

With Dwight sporting his Rip Hamilton mask.

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by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Aug 26, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

That group would also make

an awesome dinner party, although Moore and Whalen might have an issue with Dwight’s contention that women have weak arms.

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by PoorDick on Aug 25, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

in high school my girlfriend (now wife)

ordered a dwight schrute bobble head for my birthday. A package came to her house while I was visiting and she was really excited. It turns out it was her dead dogs ashes.

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by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Aug 26, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jeez

I hope she got a refund

"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"

by Steven Ellingson on Aug 26, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, it's hard to imagine how the company

could have got the order that wrong. Or how they could have got the dog in the first place.

by dropstep on Aug 26, 2011 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's funny you say jihad

Because SnP’s campaign of spin-doctoring any news regarding Kahn in the most unfavorable light possible could be viewed as a jihad! Or maybe by his “sources”.

The Wolves are obviously not a well-run, highly-effective, championship-caliber basketball team. And Kahn is clearly not cut out to be the “mouth-piece” of the organization. But he seems to be a smart guy that learns from his mistakes and is not afraid to take action.

- Kahn makes a solid addition to the staff with Ronzone, but here it gets spun as “Taylor forced Ronzone onto Kahn”.

- Kahn looks like he will nab Adelman, but here it gets spun as Adelman being interested in the Wolves despite Kahn, and that Adelman will replace Kahn.

It just doesn’t add up for me. What will the stories be when Kahn gets an extension on his contract? (speculation on my part, of course)

by sulu on Aug 25, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah...

…it’s not like his kid played on the same high school team as Love or anything.

In all seriousness, I get your point but I think all the talk about blinders and darkside, etc is a bit unfounded and kind of BS.

There is no need for different hands here. From everything I have heard, Taylor has stepped in and told Kahn who he needs to bring in and has really gotten involved in the interview process. Last time around, Taylor let Kahn do it all by himself and this time around Kahn doesn’t seem to have much of a say.

I have no idea why Adelman is interested in this job. My best guess is Love and I think that Love may even be responsible for the first contact with the team. I’m glad Adelman is talking to the team but I’m highly suspect that Kahn has anything to do with that. Kahn didn’t put together a “job description”. He did a good job to get Rubio and he took the consensus BPA at #2. I think he’s in town because Love asked him to be there and because Taylor realizes that his POBO isn’t up to snuff. One of the things that has surprised me most about having a closer than normal relationship with an NBA franchise is just how mundane a lot of the reasoning behind this, that, or the other decision is. Sometimes guys go places because family lives there. Sometimes they don’t like someone in the office and they want a change of scenery. I have no idea why he wants to be here and neither do you and chances are it’s a hell of a lot more nuanced (and boring) than who is on the roster. Of course, if he takes the job, he’ll talk about the roster. That’s the PR bit of the job, but the decision will probably have a lot more to do with his family, his relationships, and other related stuff than it will with things we can 100% verify.

FWIW, I just don’t get the blinders/darkside stuff. I’m not wedded to any of this stuff and I try to be as close to right as much as possible.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 25, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

So I've played up the darkside a bit too much

But it just amazes me how seemingly good work from Kahn is constently being spun as something negative against Kahn.

I will add that some “dumb luck” played a role in our chance to acquire Adelman. Injuries to Flynn and Webster, plus the extended time lost between the Big Al trade and the eventual use of that cap space to acquire Randolph, were a pretty big blow to Rambis’ 2nd season. If those things don’t happen, maybe we when 25+ games and don’t fire our coach. Funny how things can work out.

by sulu on Aug 25, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fine, be amazed

It’s also funny how things cannot work out. When I think Kahn does something good, I say so. When he doesn’t, I say so too. You site injures to those players, I say their mere selection is the problem. Colors and tastes, perhaps. Whatever the case, I think you play up the darkside/agenda/whatever nonsense a bit too much. What do you think the gain would be for something like that to actually exist? What is the motive?

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 25, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Flynn was clearly a problem

But I would argue Webster and Randolph help make the “attractive” part of our roster.

It’s easy for someone who gets pieces of information to “fill in the gaps” with their perspectives. If she/him/they has/have a predisposition to dislike Kahn — something easily done — then the gap filler can be poison. Obviously I don’t know how close you are to the situation, or your sources are to the situation. It just seems some of the spin your able to pass on flies in the face of logic, or what we are seeing take place in front of our eyes.

by sulu on Aug 26, 2011 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Recked

for the user name.

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by PoorDick on Aug 26, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

there are 2 NBA backpacks at Target

Kobe and Lebron. You buy it for your kid to show the haters.

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by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Aug 26, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Every GM makes mistakes.

At least Kahn cut his losses and moved on. Everyone liked Rambis when we got him and he turned out to be the worst coach in the league. But everyone was on board with that at the time. It is easy to forget how things were in hindsight but Flynn was really liked by almost everyone too at the time. People forget so easily and like to pretend they knew all along but you can’t be 100 percent right all the time.
The thing that rankles me most is all these mouth breathers here sitting in their basements hurling insults at Kahn for making mistakes after the fact. It is all too easy to do so at that time. It takes no skill and is the hallmark of a classless individual. If you can do it ahead of time then you have something. But the reality is that if anyone of these know-it-alls actually got to be a GM and put their half-baked ideas into practice they would destroy a franchise in seconds flat. This is not an easy job or everyone would just have a perfect team instantly, right?

by wolver on Aug 26, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

People liked the Flynn pick?

Did they like the fact that we used our 6th overall pick on a future 6th man or on a 5’11" SG without a jump shot? That pick never made any sense after we took Rubio. The fact that Kahn immediately said after the draft that he could envision them playing together was when he lost my respect as a basketball mind.

by BeasleBong on Aug 27, 2011 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I do give Kahn credit for dealing out of his mistakes.

He may be flying by the seat of his pants, okay, but at least he’s not wedded to sunk costs.

However, this? Is way, way over the top:

The thing that rankles me most is all these mouth breathers here sitting in their basements hurling insults at Kahn for making mistakes after the fact. It is all too easy to do so at that time. It takes no skill and is the hallmark of a classless individual. If you can do it ahead of time then you have something.

The reaction to Flynn was instant skepticism, not just on this site but in basically every source you can think of. Everyone was asking, “With Curry sitting there?” Kahn spent draft night explaining why he’d taken the two points back-to-back. I was talking to two guys in line at Chipotle when I found out Rubio had slid; they were casual fans at best, but even they went immediately to ‘But then why Flynn next when Curry was right there??’

by feral on Aug 27, 2011 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I thought he deserved extra credit...

…for using mouth breathers, no skill and classless in the same paragraph. Although, he was kind of lazy for not adding a reference to Cheetos stained fingers to the mix. That’s just kind of unacceptable.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 27, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kahn has done a few good things...

1) Not signed overpriced players to bad, long-term contracts
2) Traded two low value players for the rights to Rubio
.
.
.

not a whole lot else.

I greatly respect #1, because that is the worst thing a GM can do. But not committing a mistake doesn’t = great GM to me.

If anything I’d say perhaps Adelman is excited that the roster is a fairly blank slate and the right players can be brought in.

by Django Z on Aug 25, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

He hasn’t totally f-ed up the franchise!

Hard to sell a re-election campaign based on that.

by Django Z on Aug 27, 2011 4:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

As a Kahn Apologist

(at least compared to the administrators of this site and many others, here) I think that an Adelman hire would have to be linked pretty strongly to Kevin Love and their relationship from Oregon.

However, if Adelman takes the job, it would obliterate the notion that “nobody will work for Kahn.” He is possibly the single-best coaching candidate out there.

by Andy G on Aug 25, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see how the 2nd part obliterates anything

There is such a thing as a Godfather Offer and we have no idea what would be the terms of his tenure. I agree with him being the best candidate right now but I guess I view Taylor’s involvement as Glen’s own acknowledgement of “OK, I know I hired a clown and he’s tough to deal with but remember who runs the show.”

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 25, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Adelman's hire is coupled with Kahn's termination

then the “nobody will work for Kahn” notion will survive and pretty much look spot-on.

As I said above, I think The Love Connection is the reason this might happen, but if it happens and Kahn keeps his job, reasonable minds will agree that Kahn didn’t prevent the team from landing a good coach.

by Andy G on Aug 25, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

As an unabashed Kahn basher,

I can say that Adelman rejecting the job is no more of a reflection on Kahn than Adelman’s acceptance of the job is a reflection upon Kahn.

I also know that the transitory nature of the NBA dictates that while coaches may prefer certain players (and verse vicea), they would be idiots to make decisions based on who may or may not be there—especially in regard to one of the worst, youngest teams in the league, in the middle of a lockout, with an uncertain salary cap situation going forward.

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by PoorDick on Aug 25, 2011 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

For a guy like Adelman

there would have to be some reason to take a job at age 65, other than the beautiful Minneapolis winters.

Money, the players, and the front office would all have to play some part of that decision-making process.

by Andy G on Aug 25, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your first reason

is sufficient enough.

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by PoorDick on Aug 25, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

but if all it takes is a little extra money to hire the best available coach in the world, Kahn isn’t exactly a roadblock to the process. That’s all I’m saying.

Once Sam Mitchell is announced as the team’s head coach, we can forget about all of this nonsense.

by Andy G on Aug 26, 2011 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

First off

What is a Godfather Offer?

Second, I think it’s pretty clear why Adelman would be interested in this team: Love. Rubio. Derrick Williams. Even Wes Johnson. Shoot – Rubio, Love, and DWill2 are enough. For a guy looking at potentially never coaching again (retiring) and pondering his legacy, I would think it would have to be one of two things to get him back in the game: the chance to win a championship, OR the chance to really cement your place in the league by doing something creative and innovative. In other words, changing the way the NBA game is played in the future. Obviously we aren’t candidates for the first option, but the second?

Maybe I hyperbolized a little, but you have to admit that Love and Rubio are very, very, very unique talents in the NBA (even in the last 20 years of the NBA), and our complimentary pieces are also very intriguing. As SnP said, who knows why people in the NBA agree to go hear or there or elsewhere. For Adelman, any interest in this job has to begin and end with Love and Rubio, and maybe Derrick Williams and Beasley or Pek or Wes. This is Rick’s chance to go all mad scientist and show the NBA a new way of playing and winning, and that might be enough. For a coach it’s getting back to the basics and having fun with super unique, talented players.

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Aug 26, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeldwfOwuL8

I think the roster is intriguing (different than good, IMO; also, I was really hoping for the Isle of Misfit Toys with Biyombo) but I just don’t think this job is going to be taken because of the roster being the main reason.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 26, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

How can it not be?

Looking at potential ‘assets’ for taking the job:
- money. I guess. But I don’t think RA really needs the dough. And I guess I just don’t believe that Taylor is willing to spend $6 million a year to bring in this guy when he can have Smitch at 1/3 the cost.
- organizational stability? Kahn is POBO. Taylor is owner. Moor is a dolt.

The two reasons why I can see RA even considering this job are 1) Love and Rubio (i.e. the roster); and 2) the potential to coach for a couple years and then move to the FO. Such a proposition would allow RA to get the team headed where he wants and then step behind the scenes and not be on such a grind. Of course this assumes that he would rely heavily on Ronzone to make a lot of the scouting trips and all that for him, but we already have experience with this type of GM (McHale).

Circling round to the roster again – I think you’re underselling it. Has it proven anything? No, but that’s not the point. This roster represents a tabula rasa of creative potential for somebody to come along and mold into something fantastic, or maybe fantasmagoric. But if I’m RA, or Nellie, or Larry Brown, I’m looking at Kevin Love, at Ricky Rubio, at Derrick Williams, or any of these other guys and I’m seeing some potential once in a lifetime players/fringe HOF guys (Love, Rubio) IF things go right and a bunch of assets that, in the new CBA era (whenever that happens) teams will be ready to pounce upon in return for some other high level players who may be overpriced then. This isn’t so much about the roster today, but the roster, its inherent flexibility/availability for trades, and ostensibly the power of the new coach in making those decisions going forward in the new CBA as being what’s attractive.

So in a sense, I guess I see what you mean about the roster not being the main reason, but like the Vikings’ Triangle of Authority, I see the roster as being on equal footing with $$$ and authority to dictate the direction of this team/personnel.

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Aug 26, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's not part of the equation..

…I just think that with a guy as old as Adelman and with his history with Love and how Taylor seems to be pursuing the guy, I don’t think it’s the big selling point.

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 26, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely agree

Which is why I doubt “Love” is the reason Adelman accepts the job.

The obvious explanation for Adelman’s interest is that he likes the pieces the Wolves have in place to play the style of game he wants to play. Obviously money is a factor. But if Adelman were available as a coach two years ago, I doubt any amount of money would have brought him here. It still comes down to the roster and what he thinks he can do with it.

by sulu on Aug 25, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

You obviously like the roster

so you assume Adelman does. I see a roster with one proven NBA-quality starter. I find it hard to believe that’s the big sell for Adelman or anyone else. I’m pretty sure that if there were only 30 women on the planet I’d be a lot less picky.

by dropstep on Aug 25, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's probably the source of our discrepency: the roster.

I do like it. I knew Adelman would be our coach before Rambis was fired. It just made too much sense not to happen.

Maybe I should have bought a lottery ticket instead… :-)

by sulu on Aug 26, 2011 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

There are billions of women on the planet

and I can’t afford to be picky…hmmm, wonder if posting on this website on a Friday night has something to do wi…Nahhhhhh!

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by SoDakHmr on Aug 26, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just don't think it will work out that way

If the owner of a business has to hire a new employee by telling the potential hire that the HR Director is a fool and you don’t need to worry about him making any silly decisions, this hire might fit the letter of the “nobody will work for him” argument but certainly not the spirit.

Whether it happens immediately or within a year, my guess is that if Adelman comes aboard, Mr. Kahn is not long for the Wolves world. I think Simitar hits it on the head below: Adelman will have a longer contract than Kahn and if they have a full year lockout…who knows?

by Stop-n-Pop on Aug 25, 2011 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

My own guess

is that Kahn’s fate will depend heavily on the team’s record next season, if there is a season.

Regardless of who the coach is, I think he’ll have opinions about the roster that he inherits and coaches. If the losses pile up (and they might) he’ll want changes and Kahn won’t survive another death match like he did with Rambis (remember Kurt’s response to the ‘Why was it a good idea to trade Big Al?’ question?).

But, if Adelman is hired with Kahn the POBO, nobody can genuinely believe that he prevented the team from attracting a good coach. It’s easy to disprove that, if and when Adelman is sitting on our bench.

by Andy G on Aug 25, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is what I mean by darkside

You are telling me that Taylor is bringing Adelman in and telling him Kahn is a fool and you don’t need to worry about him.

That makes zero sense! Kahn is the one that has created the roster that is drawing Adelman’s interest. Your statement does not add up.

I guess I would be forced to reconsider if something newsworthy like you are suggesting comes out, or if Kahn is indeed dismissed in short order. But until either of those happen, I’m not buying it.

by sulu on Aug 25, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the scenario you are refuting

it wouldn’t be the roster that was drawing Adelman’s interest.

by LoveTo on Aug 25, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

However, if Adelman takes the job, it would obliterate the notion that "nobody will work for Kahn."

I wouldn’t be shocked if Taylor bringing in Adelman spells the end of Kahn. And that Adelman knows it.

Adelman wants more say in personell. Kahn is in the final year of his deal. Ronzone is on staff. It would be very easy for Taylor to hire RA, let Kahn go after the year and let RA and Ronzone handle the “GM” duties.

On the other hand if Taylor brings in Mitchell, and wants to dump Kahn, he either has to promote Ronzone to full GM or try to find a GM that isn’t going to want to bring in his own coach.

by Simitar on Aug 25, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's often hard to be excited about a 17 win team, but

Rambis out Adelman in
Kahn on his way out with Adelman and Ronzone in
Addition of Rubio and Derrick Williams

would go a long way….

If we added Iggy or Monta after the lock out I think I’d be about as thrilled as the Wolves could make me.

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by Airete on Aug 25, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd prefer a solid center,

but I definitely agree with what you’re saying.

by Dupey on Aug 25, 2011 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's my question

Suppose we get RA, and RA eventually is eyeing this as a Riley move (coach for a couple seasons and then move to the FO – better for him and his family, right?). One would think that RA already has a protege to take over as coach in mind, right? Who would that be? Elston Turner perhaps? Someone else?

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Aug 26, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Now there's a nifty little angle.

Turner’s already taken his assistant job in Phoenix for next season (should there be one), but he was the heir designate in Houston. Wasn’t there some hint that leaving the Rockets had to do with the FO and Adelman not agreeing about that?

When Joe Schmit says he’s already calling around about assistants, whom do we think Schmit is talking about? I’d like to know what flight that rumor landed on.

by feral on Aug 26, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some other angles on this:

1. It’s not likely that RA is coming because he’s excited about the fact that we have Love. But it is likely that Taylor wants RA enough to pay big bucks because Love will stay if RA is the coach. So it is because of Love, but indirectly. RA is worth the bucks because of Love’s respect for RA, not because of RA’s respect for Love.

2. There was a reference to a problem with RA’s son, the high school coach, getting into an unseemly contretemps with some parent and so on. There was also a reference to RA sending out requests to potential coaches including RA’s son. Is this the same son? How many does RA have? If RA can solve the son’s problem by drafting him into an assistant role in the NBA, it kinda raises the middle finger to the guy in Portland, and also give RA a chance to spend time with his son, which just might be an important thing for both father and son.

3. Love has referred to RA’s son as his buddy. I am guessing that this son is Love’s age and they played together in high school, so he’s unlikely to be the same son who is a high school coach. So if RA and his son the assistant are in MPLS, and RA’s son who is Love’s buddy is just getting out of college, maybe RA can establish a real family atmosphere here.

Stop-n-Pop mentioned earlier the “mundane” reasons that coaches take jobs. I guess this would qualify as mundane to some, but I don’t consider family issues to be mundane, often they are primary issues.

If the money is right, and we get the next option on Love, and we have an interesting roster, and we have no salary cap issues or legacy contracts, and RA can get his son into an assistant role no matter how lowly, and RA’s other son is (at the least) interested in spending time here as well because of his family ties and friendship with KLove… that adds up to a powerful package that no one else can match.

Plus, if Turner and Sikma and other RA assistants are available, I think we got a coach.

by timmuggs on Aug 26, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Kahn is doing a really great job.

He has done a lot of things that everyone said he couldn’t do. He has assembled really good young talent. He has gotten rid of all bad contracts. It looks like he is about to nail down the top coach in the league. I really like Kahn.

by wolver on Aug 26, 2011 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow.

So the year we sign Ricky Rubio, make the highest draft pick in franchise history, have our first returning All-Star since KG, and hire the best coach in franchise history, there won’t be an NBA season.

by LoveTo on Aug 25, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

What kind of a timeline are we looking at here?

It’s been three days since he interviewed. If he’s interested, why hasn’t he been hired yet?

by LoveTo on Aug 26, 2011 5:03 PM CDT reply actions  

My feeling

I’m pretty sure since this was the first time they’d officially met the Wolves FO treated it more like a first interview. They didn’t give him an offer, and I’ve read they plan on bringing candidates in for 2nd interviews. So assuming they go through their process (and given the effort that went in to getting Adelman to come to town) I would anticipate a contract offer the next interview.

by BeasleBong on Aug 26, 2011 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

TIMELINE?

Taqylor is in no hurry to start paying a locked out coach, Adelman’s wife wants him to take a year off, there are family issues to deal with, …

don’t hold your breath, I don’t think THEY are in a hurry.

Unless there is a feeling that someone will change their mind…

by WinTheLottery on Aug 26, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's another angle

Adleman agrees behind closed doors but not announcements no nothing. Meanwhile all the players “go on trips with their families.” Where are they? You guessed it, Cambodia! They are all meeting, practicing, preparing, and getting ready for the season (the CBA will soon be put into place by the shadow government (Stern is clearly just a figurehead)). Clearly you must be thinking, “Well what about public appearances? If the whole roster went on trips for a few months, wouldn’t people notice?” To answer your second question NO people would only notice that Klove has gone somewhere for an extra long time (he’s the only one with public appearances people care about). To fix this problem Kahn shows he really is a mad scientist by cloning Klove to appear. Not only is he a clone of Klove, but he is also really Tanguy or whatever we drafted. Obviously we can’t have 2 Kloves in the same front court so we can trade him for Monte or Iggy! Thus Johnny “fuckface” Flynn also got us Monte and/or Iggy. What about ramifications? Well that’s a great question. First of all no one can prove that it was organized by the team (the evites were send from tim.allen@thomsonreuters.com). Also no one was there to prove what went on and all they would really notice is that Klove and Adelman met in Cambodia. The worst case scenario is that they take away our lottery pick. HA SUCK IT CLIPPERS IT WON’T BE IN THE LOTTERY AND IT WON’T BE YOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Aug 26, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have you been drinking?

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by TimAllen on Aug 26, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

like JP from Angels in the Outfield says “It could happen”
Tim you just need to get the ball rolling with the e-vites!

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by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Aug 26, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

And then,

The typewriter turns into a vagina!

by zero_on_up on Aug 26, 2011 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I love the concluding sentence!

It’s all worth it if the Clips don’t get the pick.

by timmuggs on Aug 26, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's the prob?

I don’t really understand why everyone is freaking out about Adelman maybe getting 4 million a year. That is not very much. That is the same amount as Darko gets. Why are coaches so wildly underpaid in relation to players? If you have a superstar coach, shouldn’t he be getting as much as a superstar player? 10, 20 million a year? Why is Adelman not expecting a cool ten million a year? He is worth it, for sure, isn’t he? I don’t understand this. Can anyone explain it to me?

by wolver on Aug 26, 2011 11:30 PM CDT reply actions  

You know that show Iron Chef?

If the secret ingredient was a turd it doesn’t matter how good a chef you are, you’re still feeding the judges something shitty.

by BeasleBong on Aug 27, 2011 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Uh, again, what site are you reading?
I don’t really understand why everyone is freaking out about Adelman maybe getting 4 million a year.

Who’s getting “freaked out” about that? Glen Taylor doesn’t post here.

by feral on Aug 27, 2011 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ok, not freaked out,

But why is this even a discussion? I’ve heard it mentioned multiple times that Adelman will probably want 4 to 5 million “if the Wolves are willing to meet that price”. Like that is a lot? Shouldn’t we very easily be willing to give Adelman like 8 million, no questions asked?

by wolver on Aug 28, 2011 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you want to start an Adelman fund...

I’ll pitch in 10 bucks. WE are willing to pay Rick Adelman 8 million dollars with Glen Taylor’s money. HE might not be. Especially considering he has to pay Rambis 2 million amortized over the next two years, so if he gives Adelman 5 million he’s paying 7 million for the head coach position. The reason it’s brought into discussion is because it’s not our money and we don’t know what is happening in Taylor’s head.

by BeasleBong on Aug 28, 2011 3:38 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's usually what I think,

but then I remember that it’s easy to (pretend to) spend someone else’s money, and that 8 million dollars a year is still a lot even if you are a billionaire.

by AQuintus on Aug 28, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

An 8 win improvement...

after adding Rubio, Derrick Williams, and replacing the worst coach in the league (w/ Kuester being his only real competition) with one of the best would be a huge disappointment, imo.

by AQuintus on Aug 28, 2011 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

I know we’ve been saying this for years now, but I think if we bring in Adelman… 30 wins or more would be the only acceptable outcome.

by LoveTo on Aug 28, 2011 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

not the first year.

Maybe in Adelman’s second season you can figure 30 wins or more. I think his first year would be a learning process again. New unproven players learning their ropes..Wolves being a doormat once again. But the second season should be more improved. Some of the guys holding the team back should be gone and we would know if Williams and Rubio really fit in. Plus you have another draft to add something..if you still have any 1st round picks..if not than the 2nd.

by senelcoolidge on Aug 28, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a good point

and obtaining an Iggy-type guard would be the other convincing shoe to drop.

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by PoorDick on Aug 28, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bucher on the beat again

…just tweeted that Adelman is returning to town again tomorrow to meet with Taylor.


Sources: Adelman returns to Minnesota to meet with owner Glen Taylor tomorrow. Story should be up eventually on the mothership.

http://twitter.com/#!/RicBucher/status/108301832924835840

by LA_33 on Aug 29, 2011 5:20 PM CDT reply actions  

(fake-edit follow-up)

That feels an awful lot like the time that an offer might actually be made, to me…

by LA_33 on Aug 29, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actual EDIT this time (unfortunately)

According to the full story on ESPN, Adelman and Taylor didn’t actually meet when Adelman was here last week (Bucher’s source claims some kind of health issue for Taylor) so this will still be the first face-to-face meeting between them.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6907568/rick-adelman-minnesota-timberwolves-owner-set-meet-face-face

by LA_33 on Aug 29, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Time for part 3.

I hope Taylor not only offers but closes. It’s time.

by Foul line on Aug 29, 2011 9:27 PM CDT reply actions  

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