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Report Card vs Chicago


I'm not gonna lie, I was dreading this. This signs weren't pointing to an enjoyable 48 minutes of basketball for Wolves fans - the last game of a back-to-back-to-back against the reigning MVP and his rather talented band of merry men. The Raptors game didn't help. Neither did the first quarter. I had visions of being exiled from CH for not having a single positive word to write about our beloved Wolves. Then hope rode in on a magical unicorn.

Star-divide

Firstly, take a look at the box score:

Minnesota Timberwolves (3-7)
field goalsrebounds
pos min fgm-a 3pm-a ftm-a +/- off def tot ast pf st to bs ba pts
W. Johnson G-F 09:24 3-5 0-0 0-0 -15 1 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 6
K. Love F-C 39:48 5-18 3-8 7-7 -6 4 9 13 2 3 0 1 0 3 20
D. Milicic C 08:16 0-2 0-0 0-0 -12 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
W. Ellington G 08:16 0-2 0-1 0-0 -12 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
L. Ridnour G 33:46 8-11 3-3 3-3 +2 0 2 2 2 4 3 1 1 1 22
R. Rubio 36:04 6-11 0-1 1-2 +3 0 4 4 12 3 4 5 0 2 13
J. Barea 17:54 3-8 0-2 4-4 -15 0 1 1 0 2 0 1 0 0 10
D. Williams 21:50 1-7 1-3 2-5 -12 1 1 2 0 1 1 1 1 2 5
A. Tolliver 35:37 1-4 1-4 3-4 +6 0 3 3 0 1 1 0 1 0 6
A. Randolph 29:05 6-10 0-0 6-7 +6 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 1 1 18
M. Beasley DND - Right Midfoot Sprain
M. Lee DND - Left Knee Torn Meniscus
N. Pekovic DNP - Coach's Decision
Total 240 33-78 8-22 26-32 7 23 30 18 17 10 11 4 9 100
42.3% 36.4% 81.2% team rebs: 6 total to: 11

Wes Johnson: B-

Coming into this game, it appeared poor Wesley couldn't hit water from a boat. However, in his meagre minutes in the first quarter he again gave his followers hope with a putback born of sheer frustration. This apparently gave him the much-needed confidence that we've been longing for since the start of the season. With a pair of jumpers he brought his total to six, along with two rebounds, and was removed, never to be seen again (more on this later). This lack of minutes, along with his TO, means I can't give Wes more than a B-.

Kevin Love: B, probably B+

I am as much a Love lover as the next guy, but over the last few games our All Star has frustrated me and maybe some of this criticsim is not specific to this game. I know that this is only my opinion and many will disagree but some things have to be said. Love's work in the post, on both ends, leaves a lot to be desired. He was blocked three times and his finishing around the rim is almost Darko-like at times. In the second quarter Asik scored twice in a row on him in the post in almost exactly the same way. Sometimes it even appears as if he passes up on helping out defensively in the hope of adding to his own rebound total.

Now that I have that off my chest I can focus on his many many positives. A 20-13 game is always admirable, but what really impressed me is his free throws (100%!) and only one turnover - both of these have been issues for him recently and its good to see an improvement. His clutch 3pt play in the fourth again showed he has the stones to lead and is a legitimate star. I gave Kevin a B, but that might be because he and I are going through a rough patch. Most people probably would have given him a B+.

Darko Milicic: C-

Why does he think he can make that hook shot?

Little contribution (not fair to say none - he had a rebound and an assist), but unfair to fail him because of his minutes. Also, doesn't it just feel like he has got so used to Love bailing him out that he just expects it now?

Wayne Ellington: D

His shot selection should mean that he shouldn't be allowed to start. He's like a guard version of Beasley without a high ceiling to redeem him. (Please don't point to the Washington game in opposition to this - even a broken clock is on time twice a day.) I know I used the minutes excuse to give Darko a C-, but Ellington contributed nothing. Nothing at all.

Luke Ridnour: A

There has never been any doubt about Luke's ability to shoot, and he seems to be adjusting well to his role as SG when Ricky is on the floor. Against Chicago, who admittedly aren't great at the 2 without Hamilton, Luke was perfect from the arc and a reliable presence at the line. He was too small to cover Korver, but we can't hold his height against him. If he continues to be the staring point guard we will need more assists, but I'm still holding out hope for Ricky or JJ to replace Ellington soon. All in all, another good performance from Luke - the best Wolf on the court in this game.

Ricky Rubio: B

We have to take the bad with the good. I am not saying that this was a bad performance by any means, but there are reasons he only gets a B for a double-double game. No disrespect to Russell Westbrook, but this was the first time Ricky matched up with a truly elite NBA point guard, and at times it wasn't pretty. Probably in an attempt to combat Derrick Rose's speed, Rubio played very far (too far) off him, and was duly punished by Rose's shot. Whenever Rose penetrated, Ricky was almost always thwarted by a screen. However, he will learn and still managed to showcase enough to keep us all as excited as ever.

His assists total speaks for itself. His jumper looked good again and his penetration reminded us that he is "not soft". Defensively he forced TOs and had four steals, and his help defense was admirable as always. Rebounds very well for a rookie PG.

JJ Barea: B

I am never worried when the ball is in JJ's hands. Had four points in a row when he entered, but unfortunately left prematurely. A relaible free throw shooter as ever, but sometimes he goes into 'saviour mode' in an attempt to get a bucket, rather than looking for a pass. No assists, low minutes and another injury, but lively off the bench.

Incidently, with all the athleticism this team has, the open court breakaway resulted in a JJ layup instead of a highlight dunk - typical.

Derrick Williams: C+

Not a great showing from DThrill. Okay, he brought some defensive intensity when he initially entered and nailed that 3 with harm, but we really need more consistency. This guy is going to be a difficult matchup and draw fouls, but he needs to hit more shots and make his FTs if he is to be effective.

Anthony Tolliver: C+

Entered the game as a one-man hit squad on Derrick Rose. The man will actually do anything for this team.

That 3 to steady the ship in the third was the only FG he made, though 3/4 from the line is good for him. Unfairly matched up with more physical bigs wasn't really his fault, and he still managed to get a steal and a block. His effort is never in question, but his output just wasn't good enough considering how long he was on the court.

Anthony Randolph: B+

I've been saying it all along and it has finally happened - Randolph did not disappoint with more minutes. He has been reliable from the field and from the line any time he has played this year, and a steal and a block showed he can contribute defensively. Would have been given an A if he had grabbed more boards, but I think this would improve if he was started. Surely he's worth a gamble after this performance. I'm holding out hope - Adelman has shown that he chooses to finish games with the players he trusts, so we could be seeing much more of Anthony in the near future.

Some general thoughts

  • I'm going to risk a stoning, be blasphemous, and question Rick Adelman. He picks starters like Darko and Ellington (and Wes), waits until they fall behind by a sizeable margin, panics and sends in Rubio in the hope that he can bring it back. I know it has been asked so many times, and people will reply in the same way to this, but why not just start Rubio and maybe we wouldn't need bailing out at the end of the first?
  • Adelman starts Wes, Wes does rather well, Wes is taken off and we don't see Wes again. Where is the logic in that?
  • Loul Deng is exactly the type of wing player this team needs. I'm not saying we should try to get him, I'm not saying we could get him, I'm simply saying that this type of player would be perfect.

Running with Mikey B's idea,

Topp Dogg tonight was Luke Ridnour.

And the Goat has to be Wayne Ellington.

I enjoyed doing my first post and look forward to hearing everyone's responses.

P.S. Sorry its so late.

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Love's last few games have been bad.

But right now Adelman is risking burning him out. He’s played 100 more minutes than any other Wolf.

He played 117 minutes over the past 3 nights. And 7 games in 10 nights, averaging 40 minutes per.

by Simitar on Jan 11, 2012 12:29 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed!

Pek should get a chance to show what he can do under the basket, and Randolph, at least when Ricky’s on the court is looking like he deserves minuets.

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by Michael C. Boosalis II on Jan 11, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I like giving Pek more minutes too

He’s my 6th man in 2K12. However, I trust Adelman over my 2k12 team any day.

Pek apologist

by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 11, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I get the feeling Pek is on the block

He is just too good to not get any playing time whatsoever, even if he doesn’t really fit with the way our team plays right now

Jonny "Bag o' Chips" Flynn is gone, who's next?

Crystal Ball says Wes "The Ghost" Johnson

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 11, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand it might have disrupted the flow

But I would have liked to have seen him come in and commit a few well practiced (?) body to body fouls on Rose if he could catch him. I think it would have happened in years past. Maybe the rules written and unwritten have changed too much?

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 11, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Bad shooting overall, yes

but his poor shooting night covers the fact that the big run that ended the 1st half was fueled by Love checking in with the team down by 21, and scoring 11 points in the next 2.5 minutes. That whole rotation played well, but Love is still the guy who, like Rubio, seems to be an energetic force during the team’s frenzied runs. Even on nights when he “struggles”.

by dropstep on Jan 11, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with that but,

we’re going to kill him if he continues to average 39+ minutes in this compressed season. Right now only Monta Ellis is averaging more minutes.

by Simitar on Jan 11, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree that he is playing too many minutes

Monta’s minutes will come down if and when Curry’s ankle is stable. Love’s will come down when something is done about the Wolves bench, or someone like AR steps up. Or when Love breaks down.

by dropstep on Jan 11, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm hopeful but I'm afraid there will be a lot of bumps on that road.

The upside that comes with AR’s physique, athleticism, and handling skills is just so tantalizing. He’s the guy that the Wolves might match with Durant or Bargnani.

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 11, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree on Rubio's D a bit

I actually thought Rubio’s D was pretty good on Rose, except for the Rose’s last second heave in the final min of the game. Rubio played off a bit but was active on the ball and used his length to get a couple steals. Rose had difficulty driving on him unless there was a pick, and Rubio forced him into being a outside shooter for the most part (I recall Rose doing most of his driving against other defenders)

BUT, Rubio needs to learn to fight through picks, right now he just gets devoured by every pick in the PnR and the other defender is left on an island. Not sure if this is the scheme but sometimes it is really annoying.

by Pass the rock on Jan 11, 2012 12:50 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I think Ricky does pretty fine, DRose torches everybody

And he shot it pretty well last night.
What Rubio struggles guarding is the Pick and Pop. No doubt in my mind he’ll get better though.
Yo L.I.W. (Last of the Irish Wolves)- I think there can be two different interpretations of “Alpha Male”, #1. is The Top Dogg: who performed the best. or it could be #2 – the Leader of the Pack: Kinda the who put the team on there back deal. Or who made things happen.
I would agree that Ridnour fits the bill for #1 atleast on Offense, he hit big shots and played really well.
but for #2 I don’t think anyone can say that Ricky didn’t Lead this team back into this game. I think “Alpha Male” goes to Ricky.

Building a Flock. To God be the Glory. @mikecboosalisii - follow me homies!

by Michael C. Boosalis II on Jan 11, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Good call

Should we have Top Dogg, Alpha Male and Goat all listed from now on?

by Last of the Irish Wolves on Jan 11, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that would work well

I think Alpha Male would be more of a combination of the “Leader of the Pack” and “Top Dogg” categories.
You get that?
but Yall run with that Idea however you want to. I was hoping that we could make a poll and doing a running tally on who’s the “Alpha” and who’s as beneficial to the team as “Corey Brewers Goat” would be. But you can’t make two polls in one Fan Post.

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by Michael C. Boosalis II on Jan 11, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I like the Top Dogg and Goat ideas. Good call.

I think keeping it at two is good, and whoever is making the grades can choose how they want to evaluate Alpha, whether it is the person who played the best, or the person who put the team on their back. I imagine most nights this will be the same person, which is why the Alpha Male category would be redundant.

Just my two cents, which doesn’t really matter since I have not written any previews.

by Tollysnipes on Jan 11, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Right on TollySnipes (that is a solid solid name BTW)

Building a Flock. To God be the Glory. @mikecboosalisii - follow me homies!

by Michael C. Boosalis II on Jan 11, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair point about Rubio forcing Rose to be an outside shooter

But that isn’t all that useful when Rose can shoot 50% from outside.

by Last of the Irish Wolves on Jan 11, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I know,

Its a pick your poison thing. If the Wolves had another decent wing defender with length they could throw out tough double teams against Rose at the 3-point line… and make Brewer or Noah beat them.

In that regard Deng’s contribution was huge last night and could not be defended with the personnel we currently have – here’s hoping Malcolm and Webster come back healthy.

by Pass the rock on Jan 11, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Amen bro,

Def hope that Leezy and Web (“Spider Man”, I still want that nickname to catch on). Think if those two got healthy and took Wes and Wayne’s minutes, that’s gotta be a defensive up grade, no?
I fell like, from what we saw from “Spider Man” showed us earlier last year, and what Leezy showed in the Pre-season, that would up grade this team somethin’ fierce.

Building a Flock. To God be the Glory. @mikecboosalisii - follow me homies!

by Michael C. Boosalis II on Jan 11, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

MN sports already has a Spiderman

and he’s Joe Webb. Think Webster missed the boat on that one

by princelyfrank on Jan 11, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

But Webster is going to splash treys into Nets that look a lot more like Webs the end zones

and he’s (hopefully) going to play sticky defense. See what I mean. If all goes well, MN sports has to Spidemen!
But I disagree I think it fits Webster better than Joe Webb.

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by Michael C. Boosalis II on Jan 11, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

"But that isn’t all that useful when Rose can shoot 50% from outside."

Fluke. You HAVE to force Rose to take jumpshots.

Even with last night’s flurry, Rose is shooting 31% from deep, with a 39% eFG% on ALL jump shots.

He’s improved his shot since he was a rookie, but he’s still not a good shooter.

by Simitar on Jan 11, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand what you're saying

But not many of Rose’s shots looked forced last night.

by Last of the Irish Wolves on Jan 11, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Rubio played him almost perfectly.

Sometimes a lion is going to be a lion. If rose is hitting from downtown I think he’s got to be the most unguardable player in the league.

by bustaone on Jan 11, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

LeBron

Jonny "Bag o' Chips" Flynn is gone, who's next?

Crystal Ball says Wes "The Ghost" Johnson

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 11, 2012 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

nah...

just stick a 6ft point-guard on him.

by vjl110 on Jan 12, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

good work

but I sort of feel like you were giving some of the guys who didn’t get many minutes a free pass, when in fact they may have been taken out of the game because they suck. In my mind, no way Wes comes away within a minus of Rubio’s score for the game.

Day by day and game by game it becomes more and more clear what the moneyball crowd in our forum has been saying all along: K-Love and the Unicorn are playing on an island. An island with misfit toys. Not a single, consistently above average contributor among them, with the possible exception of JJ Barrea, who has missed half the games. I still would like to see them give D-Will the opportunity to fill this void – I don’t know that I see that sort of ceiling elsewhere on this roster.

by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 11, 2012 1:55 PM CST reply actions  

What about Luke?

Jonny "Bag o' Chips" Flynn is gone, who's next?

Crystal Ball says Wes "The Ghost" Johnson

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 11, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

are you responding to my claim

about there not being another consistently above average contributor? I would not put Luke in that category. In this last game, sure. I also think he’s an above-average shooter. But overall, I think our offense stagnates when he’s running the point; and he does not have a track record of great game management in his tenure with the Wolves.

by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 12, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I would agree there

But when he plays the role of a SG, which plays to his strengths, I would guess he is an above average contributor.

Jonny "Bag o' Chips" Flynn is gone, who's next?

Crystal Ball says Wes "The Ghost" Johnson

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 12, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

he's definitely working better in the SG role

…but is that because he is better suited for the role, or because he only does it when the Unicorn is on the court? Maybe you’re right- the fact that Adelman is giving him the playing time would seem to support it.

Would that…

  • he were two inches taller
  • and could play defense

by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 12, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Good work!

I after the first quarter our D was great. In the 4th they just kept making contested jumpers. All you can do is tip your cap and live with that.

Pek apologist

by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 11, 2012 2:10 PM CST reply actions  

Good review

Although I would’ve docked JJ a bit. He was forcing things and got kinda ball-hoggy.

by saudagg on Jan 11, 2012 2:37 PM CST reply actions  

Fun Fact:

The Wolf with the highest usage rate after 10 games is JJ.

I’m not sure that’s how I’d draw it up.

by dropstep on Jan 11, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Reasonable comments, good work

I think it’s a bit harsh on Ricky’s D personally (you have to make Rose shoot, really. He goes past anyone not named LeBron James pretty easily), but otherwise I can’t really argue. Might have given Williams a lower grade myself.

Harsher Than Scissors

by Malastare on Jan 11, 2012 2:56 PM CST reply actions  

Disagree on Wes completely

yeah, he hit some shots, but also fumbled two easy passes and couldn’t guard Deng at all.

by tanat-0s on Jan 11, 2012 3:06 PM CST reply actions  

Wes got the Adelman shepherd's crook, as did Darko and Ellington.

The big news in this game was Adelman going away from his starters to start the second half. How do we grade that? It’s “A” work, but he may have turned it in a little late.

Three of our starters left the game at 8:16 in the first quarter and were never seen again. Three of them. Poof, they were gone. The other shoe has seemingly dropped.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 11, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

now this is interesting

think that was the end of the end for the two stooges?

by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 11, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Who's going to start against New Orleans at the wings?

Eric Gordon hasn’t been playing, and is supposed to miss another 2-3 weeks.

Monty Williams beat Denver the other day starting Marco Belinelli and Al-Farouq Aminu at the two and three. He has his guys playing good defense, but that’s not exactly a daunting pair of opponents to “start small” on.

We’ll see.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 11, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

The one thing I hoped Rubio learned from Rose last night is how to attack the basket

I can tell this guy has been in the Euroleague playing with guys like Pek cause he takes his layups too soft. Athletic bigs in the league are throwing his stuff a lot. Other than that I have nothing but praises for the guy we’ve waited 2 years to get.

I thought he played decent D against Rose. That 3 Rose hit at then end Rubio had his hand all in his face and the only thing he could’ve done better was block it. Besides who does play good D against Rose?

I’m willing to pay Darko to leave. I am so glad I didn’t have to watch him play for more than 9 minutes last night. Look it was a nice story for a while but its time to go.

Wes and Ellington need some D league time probably for a week once Lee and Beas come back.

Lastly I like the wasy Randolph has been playing he’s letting things come to him instead of forcing it. Take note Michael Beasley.

Anyone else think its funny that our backcourt in the 2nd half consisted of a 3 PG rotation?

by Doug West Domination!!! on Jan 11, 2012 3:38 PM CST reply actions  

"letting things come to him" - I had to laugh

As in “passes.” As long as a philosophy doesn’t involve him passing the ball to others, he’s cool with it,

by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 11, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Starting 5

PG – Rubio
SG – Ridnour
SF – I have no idea – Beasley, Williams, Tolliver? Anybody but Wes.
PF – Love
C – Randolph

by xraraavis on Jan 11, 2012 4:12 PM CST reply actions  

New starting lineup

PG-Rubio
SG-Wes
SF-Williams
PF-Love
C-Randolph

Hoping for Offense AND Defense. This lineup has not been tried yet. Wes will improve and the Wolves outscore opponents when he and Rubio play together as long as Beasley isn’t on the floor. Ridnour and Beasley are bad at D and don’t do a great job setting up the offense. I like Ridnour as a backup PG/SG, like Barea, but Rose had his way with Ridnour and legit 2 guards would as well. Rubio at least made Rose work for his points. Wes can defend wing players and should get minutes with Rubio. Let the roasting begin, but Wes will prove himself in time.

by Imyourhuckleberry on Jan 11, 2012 4:21 PM CST reply actions  

The last of the irish wolves....?

The last of the Irish Wolves…? I’m right here buddy, born and bred. Wolves fan since 92. When it comes to Irish Wolves.. I’m the alpha and the omega…ahh, you’re alright mo chara. Nice write up.

by larryhagmansliver on Jan 11, 2012 4:58 PM CST reply actions  

Dang.

Now he’s going to have to change his handle to “Among the Last of the Irish Wolves.”

They’re a cover band.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 11, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

as a musician

I am seriously considering that for a song name

by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 11, 2012 7:31 PM CST up reply actions  

It has a nice rhythm.

u/u/uu/u/

It’s mostly iambic, but with a spare dead foot in the middle.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 11, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Or,

Two iambs followed by an anapest followed by another iamb.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 11, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

My apologies

Its nice to know the Irish Wolf is alive and well somewhere else!

by Last of the Irish Wolves on Jan 11, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

New 5 & no Max for Love

New starting 5
Rubio
Luke
Tolliver/Williams (would like to see Williams as Tolly is less effective over long stretches, but Williams is still making plenty of rookie mistakes)
Love
Randolph

And I really hope this team doesn’t give Love a max. His numbers are great, but he does not take over games. He can’t, he’s too weak in the post and he’s not athletic enough to attack the rim. I’ve enjoyed watching Love grow (hell, I was at the 30-30 game), but he just has not shown that ability to take over games and that’s what a “Max” player should be able to do. Does he deserve somewhere around a Rudy Gay contract, absolutely. $16MM/yr would be great, but he should not be given the max.

I’m sure I will get annihilated on here for that train of thought, but oh well. GO WOLVES

by Rycraft on Jan 11, 2012 5:18 PM CST reply actions  

The max would be about $16 million a year for a player with his experience

I believe he qualifies for a 5 year extension worth about $80 million. Guess what? 80/5=16.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Jan 11, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Love is already one of the to PFs in the league right now

and will probably be the top one in years to come. How does he not deserve the max?

Jonny "Bag o' Chips" Flynn is gone, who's next?

Crystal Ball says Wes "The Ghost" Johnson

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 11, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I am a bit concerned about the "only one max contract per roster"

part of the new CBA. Which player should get the max while being on the same roster? Love or Rubio? And, how flexible is the rule to make more than one deserving player happy given the obvious incentive of playing with each other?

He's Ricky Rubio. He’s not like anyone else.

by Facial on Jan 11, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Wasn't aware of this...

I need to read up on the new CBA

Jonny "Bag o' Chips" Flynn is gone, who's next?

Crystal Ball says Wes "The Ghost" Johnson

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 11, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, AFAIK

There’s a new “max” level that is only available to one player at a time per roster. That said, my understanding is that you can still spend a lot on other contracts but not as much as the “max”. Small sample sizes given, it’s a legitimate question to ask how to work this with Love and Rubio. It’s obvious that we need to lock them both up long term for this team to succeed.

He's Ricky Rubio. He’s not like anyone else.

by Facial on Jan 11, 2012 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not in there.

Only one max level rookie extension for 5 years per team is a big difference from one max per team. Ricky could in theory get a 4 year max if it ever came to that. Or he could not get extended and get offered a 5 year max once he hits RFA. It’s not a very big problem and only is a problem if you have more than one max level player coming off rookie contracts at the same time.

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 12, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Gotcha

Thanks for the clarity.

He's Ricky Rubio. He’s not like anyone else.

by Facial on Jan 12, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you

Love deserves to be paid but I can’t justify giving him a max contract. Sure his stats are great but he’s a bad defender and a number 3 offensive option, that doesn’t sound like a max player to me.

by Gophers12 on Jan 11, 2012 10:14 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

If I had a newspaper I'd smack you on the nose.

You almost completed a Kevin Love Misperception Bingo play. I’f you’d included “he’s popular because he’s white,” you’d have won a prize.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 11, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Not sure how any of those observations are misperceptions

When the game is on the line you don’t want the ball in Love’s hands. Sure I’d be perfectly fine with him taking an open 3 but he’s not the type of player who you give the ball to and expect to get a high percentage shot off. His defense isn’t good, in his grade this was pointed out plus his team defense is possibly the worst on the team. Last game even Luke was rotating down causing bigs to miss shots.

Why would he be popular because he’s white? If anything I think that would make him less popular because white players are generally not as good.

by Gophers12 on Jan 12, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Interesting article over at ESPN on Rubio's defense.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35381/the-dirty-secret-about-ricky-rubio

I’m glad the early numbers show the value of his defense. He does so many little things that are lost on most.

by Sci Fi on Jan 11, 2012 5:48 PM CST reply actions  

Ricky kind of looks like a wolf actually

and the pic accompanying this article reinforces that, me thinks.

He's Ricky Rubio. He’s not like anyone else.

by Facial on Jan 11, 2012 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Guys, please let me know if you want to write a report card for any of the games below that have not been signed up for:

1/13: New Orleans –
1/14: Atlanta -
1/16: Sacramento -
1/18: Detroit –
1/20: LA Clippers – Michael Boosalis II
1/21: Utah -
1/23: Houston -

by bsg007 on Jan 11, 2012 5:51 PM CST reply actions  

I will do Atlanta so the updated list is..

1/13: New Orleans – Ryno78
1/14: Atlanta – bsg007
1/16: Sacramento -
1/18: Detroit –
1/20: LA Clippers – Michael Boosalis II
1/21: Utah -
1/23: Houston -

by bsg007 on Jan 11, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya don't put me on the list yet

Student teaching starts today and there are other unexpected changes happening. I’ll keep you posted.

Pek apologist

by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 13, 2012 5:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Going to the Kings game anyway ...

so I’ll do the report card for it.

"Deserve ain't got nothin' to do with it."
-- W. Munney (1992) / Snoop (2008)

by ol' weird harold on Jan 15, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed Love's D

I’ve been saying it for awhile now but Love really does box out for rebounds instead of challenge shots around the rim. This year after watching games I wait for the game highlights and find it hilarious that in literally every one there’s at least 1 highlight where someone gets beat and Love is in position to challenge the shot but instead he is boxing out his man allowing for an easy layup or dunk.

by Gophers12 on Jan 11, 2012 10:21 PM CST reply actions  

I admit I'm not a big fan of advanced stats

You look at the equations for them and they make so many assumptions that can’t possibly hold true in every case. But in this case it’s less about the faulty assumptions and more about watching the game. Recent examples would be against Toronto Bargnani beat Tolliver off the dribble, Love was in a perfect position for a block but actually moved backward to box his man out allowing an uncontested layup, the game was basically over after this. Another one I couldn’t believe was the 4th quarter against Memphis, Gay was driving in with the shot clock almost at 0, Love is right there to block the shot but he didn’t jump and didn’t even get his hands above his head.

by Gophers12 on Jan 12, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

And I'll go ahead and disagree with the assumption that those specific examples imply.

Which is that Love has an inclination toward rebounding that hurts the team’s defense. I don’t think it does.

I also watch the games, and I think Love is a solid defender in post-up situations who has a lot of trouble guarding quicker, face-up guys. He’s not a great defender, but I wouldn’t call him a bad one either, even subjectively. There are lots of superstars in the NBA who are solid-but-not-great defenders.

by LoveTo on Jan 13, 2012 2:13 AM CST up reply actions  

How can it help the team defense?

I don’t see any possible way that moving out of the way allowing uncontested layups helps our team defense. This looked a little better tonight so hopefully the coaches are getting on him about it because it is my biggest issue with him.

I will give you he is a solid post defender given 2 things, the guy he is defending isn’t: significantly quicker or significantly taller. Love isn’t exactly slow but he can’t stay with a series of quick moves if they force him to change directions. Love isn’t quick getting off his feet so if the guy is tall enough to get a good look at the basket Love can’t do much to alter the shot.

by Gophers12 on Jan 13, 2012 10:43 PM CST up reply actions  

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