What a difference a coach makes:
The Timberwolves swapped Kurt Rambis for Rick Adelman this offseason. After 10 games, I'm looking at the numbers to see if this seemingly important change really made a difference.
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Timberwolves fans spent the last two seasons tolerating one of the worst coaches in NBA history. Kurt Rambis has a career winning percentage of 0.279, and tallied an abysmal 0.195 during his tenure with the Wolves. I will be the first to tell you that winning percentage is a sloppy way to assess coach quality, but in all seriousness, Rambis is a terrible coach. This was true during his last two seasons with our puppies, and was probably true when he was winning with the Lakers.
…Asked about Rambis as a coach, O’Neal had nothing to say at all. He also hung up, called back and said ‘That’s what I like about him."’
-Shaquille O'Neal
I would argue Rambis' biggest flaw was in his rotations. I really think I could sum up this entire discussion with "Kurt started Ryan 'fuckin' Hollins over Kevin Love." What more need I say? In the face of all objective evidence, Rambis was convinced that Kevin Love was destined to be a 6th man.
I'm pretty sure he was prepared to stick to his guns on that one right up until his hand was forced by 31-31. It wasn't just Love either. Kurt was very consistent in the incoherence of his rotations. In fact, Wolves players had a 6th worst 0.28 correlation between wp48 and minutes played in 2010/11. I don't have the data, but I would wager it was considerably worse in 09/10. While Rambis "brought Love along slowly" in 2009/10, he forced incompetent Jonny Flynn down our throats. Even though he had the young and established Ramon Sessions warming the bench all year. This offense was made almost excusable by the fact that Rambis completely neutered Sessions' productivity:
| Sessions’ yearly wp48 | |
| Bucks 06-07 | 0.239 |
| Bucks 07-08 | 0.239 |
| Bucks 08-09 | 0.198 |
| Wolvs 09-10 | 0.042 |
| Cavs 10-11 | 0.189 |
| Cavs 11-12 | 0.144 |
Rambis' putridity was not limited to his rotations. He also had some obvious shortcomings as a strategist. His "triangle" scheme made the Wolves' worst offensive player, Darko Milicic, the focal-point of the offense. Kurt persisted with this strategy in the face of Darko's impressively bad 19.37 turnover rate and 48.2 TS%. When Rambis wasn't dumping the ball into Darko and letting him "work his magic", he was forcing the tempo. Sometimes it can be useful to push the pace, but not when you have one of the highest TO rates in the league and only one player (Love) with a useful fast-break skill-set. On the defensive end, Rambis challenged NBA players to beat the Wolves with open 3s. They did. Rambis also guided the Wolves to a significantly below chance record in close games. NBA Playbook's Sebastian Pruiti provides ample evidence that "bad luck" is not to blame:
http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/12/23/minnesotas-poor-clock-management-with-under-1-minute-left/
"...This is 100% on Kurt Rambis. He has to know whether or not he wants to call a timeout and communicate that with his team. This isn’t a situation where the defense throws something strange at the offense and they are forced to call a timeout. This is just Kurt Rambis being unsure of what he wants to do, leading to confusion. As Ridnour brings the ball up, you can just see the confusion from everyone on the Timberwolves..."
http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/01/06/my-two-pet-peeves-late-in-games/
"... No screens, no off the ball movement, nothing. I don’t understand (and I don’t think I ever will) why coaches rely on players to try and create a three point shot. When they do that, they are handcuffing their players so much, and that is exactly what happens here. Tyrus Thomas is defending the three and the three only, meaning that Beasley can’t get a clean look. You don’t have to run anything all that complicated here. You could run a pick and pop with Kevin Love? Think that is too complicated, you can just set a screen for him. If you want to get really crazy, you could start with Beasley off of the ball and set a pindown for him. All of those are better options than giving Beasley the ball and asking him to make a contested three while the rest of his team stands and watches..."
http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/01/10/the-timberwolves-run-the-same-play-twice-in-a-row-down-3-late/
"... This, combined with the Beasley ISO set on Wednesday makes you question coach Rambis’ ability to draw up an effective play late. He has had three situations coming out of a timeout, needing a three pointer and he has drawn up exactly one play. Sometimes you don’t need "set plays" late, but I feel like in each of these situations, they were needed..."
http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/03/25/minnesota-lacks-a-plan-late/
"...What it comes down to is coach Kurt Rambis and his inability to draw up a play in late game situations. To me, it almost seems like he lacks a plan late in games..."
"...I hate to keep writing about Rambis and his poor coaching decisions because it sounds like bashing, but over the course of this season we have seen this become a trend. From running the same play twice in a row late despite it not working the first time to poor clock management late in games, Rambis simply struggles with his decision making late in games. It is as if he doesn’t know what he wants to do..."
Kurt Rambis is a terrible coach. Let's all take a second to appreciate the fact that we will never again watch him mismanage our squad.
That was fun, but I don't think I really changed anyone's mind with that rant. Kurt didn't have many backers by the end of last season. The more interesting issue here is whether or not the switch to Adelman has actually made a difference. Sure Adelman has a long track-record of success (.603 career win%) and is among the most respected coaches in the league. But there is legitimate debate over how much impact coaches really have. Dave Berri has published a study showing that coaches have only a minimal impact on team performance. He looked at 62 NBA coaches across thirty years of data and found that only 14 coaches had a statistically significant and positive impact on player performance. Another WoW contributor, Arturo Galletti, argues that what impact coaches do have comes exclusively from how they allocate their minutes. This is an area where Adelman outperforms Rambis, but given how few competent player the Wolves have, it may not make much of a difference. The fact that the Wolves are sitting at the same 3-7 record 10 games into the season lends further credence to this pessimism.
Anthony Tolliver at least thinks Adelman had made a tangible difference...
" We're making teams adjust to us rather than always adjusting to them," he said. "That was something we didn't do last year, I think, very much. We never dictated things last year. We were always adjusting to the other team. Now we're making the other team adjust to us. That's a huge reason why we're having some success."
and in this case, I tend to agree with him.
Even the greatest coaches can't polish a turd (see Wes, Beasley, Darko), but there are legitimate ways that better coaches milk wins out of NBA quality players. Galletti is right to point to minute allocation, but good coaches also find ways to get their players better shots, and force other teams into taking bad shots. The way that Adelman has adjusted the shot distribution for both the Wolves and their opponents is going to be the focus of the rest of this post.
"Good shots" are any shots at the rim or from three, and "bad shots" are any shot taken from 3 to 23 feet.
Here are the league average shooting efficiencies from different locations on the court:
|
Leaguewide eFG% by Location |
||||
|
at Rim |
3 to 9 |
10 to 15 |
16 to 23 |
Threes |
|
63.3 |
37.5 |
38.1 |
38.1 |
50.6 |
These are the numbers for just 2012, but they are pretty consistent with the numbers we see every year. From the Darko hook to the Beasley "step across the 3-point line J", the mid-range game is dead for a good reason. Teams who force their opponents to take mid-range shots while attacking the rim and draining 3s will consistently win basketball games. Luckily for the Adelman-lead Wolves, coaching schemes seem to have a significant impact on these distributions.
The single biggest impact of a good coach comes on defense. In fact, there is some evidence that coaches are considerably more important to defensive success than players. Last season, the consistently excellent Ty Willianghanz of Courtside Analyst looked at defensive win scores and found that "coach" was a much better predictor of defensive performance than "players".
"The correlation coefficient for the teams that maintained the same coach, even if they completely changed over the core of their roster (like the Miami Heat) was 0.832, a very strong correlation and exactly the correlation coefficient Professor Berri found for Wins Produced.
On the other hand, the correlation coefficient for teams that changed coaches, whether those teams maintained their core group of players (like the Chicago Bulls) or did not, was a measly 0.121."
This analysis only looked at teams from 09/10 to 10/11, so things might change looking at a larger sample, but the initial implication is pretty amazing. Take the same players and switch out the coach, and you have no idea how well a team is going to perform defensively. Introduce a coach to a random NBA team, and you can project his previous teams' performance onto the next year with reasonable confidence.
I would argue that this phenomenon comes largely from good coaches' ability to dictate where other teams take their shots. At least in our case, the data seems to support this interpretation:
|
Team |
Year |
O%Rim |
O%Mid |
O%3P |
|
MIN |
2011/12 |
26.7 |
53.3 |
19.9 |
|
HOU |
2010/11 |
29.9 |
51 |
17.9 |
|
Team |
Year |
O%Rim |
O%Mid |
O%3P |
|
MIN |
2011/12 |
26.7 |
53.3 |
19.9 |
|
MIN |
2010/11 |
29.3 |
45.8 |
24.7 |
Last season, Rambis's "unique" strategy of ignoring 3-point shooters was relatively effective in keeping opponents off the rim, but we paid dearly for it in trifectas. This season, Adelman has managed to limit our opponents in both forms of efficient scoring, and in doing so, has shaped our "opponent shot profile" to look considerably more like that of the 2011 Rockets than the 2011 Wolves. While last season's Wolves only forced opponents to use 45.8% of their shots on mid-range junk, the Rockets forced their opponents to take more than half in the "danger-zone". Thus far, Adelman's Wolves have actually outperformed his Rocket's in forcing opponents to take 53.3% of their shots from mid-range, while bringing down both our opponents' shots at the rim and from three.
Further evidence of an "Adelman effect" is seen in the Rockets change from 10/11 to 11/12:
|
Team |
Year |
O%Rim |
O%Mid |
O%3P |
|
HOU |
2011/12 |
30.6 |
46.4 |
23.1 |
|
HOU |
2010/11 |
29.9 |
51 |
17.9 |
| Team | Year | O%Rim | O%Mid | O%3P |
| HOU | 2011/12 | 30.6 | 46.4 | 23.1 |
| MIN | 2008/09 | 30.1 | 48.3 | 21.6 |
Under McHale, the Rockets look more like the 10/11 Wolves, or even better the McHale-lead 2008/09 Wolves, than the 10/11 Rockets in terms of opponent shot distribution. I haven't looked at any other instances of coaching changes to test this hypothesis, but at least in this instance, opponent shot distribution seems to map onto the coach better than the players.
While there isn't as much general evidence for a coach effect on offense, it looks like Adelman has had a similar effect on our own teams' shot distribution:
|
Team |
Year |
%Rim |
%Mid |
%3P |
|
MIN |
2011/12 |
28.7 |
43.5 |
27.8 |
|
HOU |
2010/11 |
29.2 |
44.2 |
26.4 |
|
|
|
|||
|
Team |
Year |
%Rim |
%Mid |
%3P |
|
MIN |
2011/12 |
28.7 |
43.5 |
27.8 |
|
MIN |
2010/11 |
26.4 |
51.2 |
22.3 |
Minnesota's 2012 shot distribution looks remarkably similar to Houston's 2011 distribution. Both teams did an excellent job of avoiding reliance on the mid-range game, and fired off a good percentage of shoots at the rim and from three. On the other hand, the 2012 Wolves look nothing like the 2011 Wolves who attempted more than 50% of their shots from midrange.
Ricky Rubio is one obvious confounding factor in our improved shot distribution, but looking at Houston's change in the wake of Adelman provides some evidence that Adelman has played a role in this transformation:
|
Team |
Year |
%Rim |
%Mid |
%3P |
|
HOU |
2011/12 |
25.1 |
49.2 |
25.7 |
|
HOU |
2010/11 |
29.2 |
44.2 |
26.4 |
McHale's Rockets are taking 5% more shots from mid-range than Adelman's Rockets did. Given that the Rocket's have not seen much turnover in player personnel, this difference is likely to reflect variations in offensive scheme. McHale seems like a fine coach, but teams that limit mid-range shots like Adelman's apparently do, are going to win in the long run.
Let's put this all together with a quick statistical summary:
|
Team |
Year |
%Rim |
%Mid |
%3P |
O%Rim |
O%Mid |
O%3P |
|
MIN |
2011/12 |
28.7 |
43.5 |
27.8 |
26.7 |
53.3 |
19.9 |
|
MIN |
2010/11 |
26.4 |
51.2 |
22.3 |
29.3 |
45.8 |
24.7 |
|
Change |
2.3 |
-7.7 |
5.5 |
-2.6 |
7.5 |
-4.8 |
The 2012 Wolves take more of their shots from efficient locations and force their opponent's to take more of their shots from inefficient locations. Short of simply having better players, that is how you win basketball games. Adelman's offensive and defensive schemes have put us in the position to succeed.
XeFG% gives a team's "expected" shooting efficiency based on league averages from different places on the court. OXeFG% does the same on the defensive end of the court. We currently have the 9th best XeFG% (48.5%) and the 4th best "OXeFG% (47%). We only trail Denver and Orlando in net expected efficiency. We are currently under-performing these expectation, but the change in distributions on both ends of the court has clearly had a positive impact.
Thank you Rick Adelman
Most of the statistics I used in this post came from the excellent Hoopdata.com
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Great post - excellent information here
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
Man I am so glad that Rambis never got ahold of Rubio
I still remember watching K-Love ride the bench in almost the entire first half last year only to watch Pek, Beas, Darko, and others play in a game I was at. He still ended up with a double double and Rambis finally put him in with 3 minutes to go and we barely lost. Crap he was bad.
by Doug West Domination!!! on Jan 11, 2012 3:50 PM CST reply actions
"Don't run any picks and rolls, Rubio. It'll stunt your game."
A year or two from now, sure….
"Opinion ...a confession."
Adelman photo kinda looks like Archie Andrews.
From the old comic strip.
Nice work.
It bothers me that Kahn needed to (or felt he needed to) raise money by selling draft picks to get rid of that level of incompetence.
Lee might end up being fine, but there are a few guys we might regret having passed on due to Kahn’s little fundraiser.
We've regretted every pick Kahn has made or failed to make
except for Rubio, and possibly Lee. His track record for accumulating talent through the draft and free agency is nothing short of abysmal.
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
A quick depiction of our rotational depth

I made this last night, so it’s not updated with to include the Chicago game, but essentially it is showing the ‘typical’ depth Adelman has to work with.
How to read/understand the graph is like this: each line depicts the players of one game, with the Y value representing the WS/48 of the players who played in that particular game (obviously in descending order – highest to lowest, read left to right). Does that make sense? The WS/48 values are given on the left, and the player names (with the exception of Love and Pek) are not who the actual player is (because each guy varies from game to game) but are overall approximations of where these guys have ranked on the team this year.
So Love has consistently produced well – well above .200 WS/48. Ridnour, Rubio, and Barea have generally occupied at least two of the next three highest WS/48 spots on any given night, followed lately by AntRand and Williams. Wes, Beasley, and Pek are all in the danger zone (negative WS/48) on the far right.
The gray box is sort of my arbitrary cutoff point of where I think guys who are in this area should play significantly reduced minutes because they simply do not help their team win. (The pink line is approximately at .050 WS/48 – that’s a typo on the graph – which is what I’m defining as a useful rotation guy production). Unfortunately for us, two of our biggest minutes guys are in this zone (Wes and Beasley). Looking at what a deep roster looks like, I think this is a safe assumption.
Anyways, it’s a very small sample size, but you can see that the Wolves essentially can field a team with five starters and two bench guys. Much beyond that is getting kinda nebulous, although Darko has been over .100 in WS/48 for parts of this year until slumping lately. Getting Martell Webster and his career .070 WS/48 back will help significantly with depth, but fundamentally this team is playing with a limited deck, and Adelman is running a bit of a risk by playing Love so much (nearly a 100 minutes more than the next closest Wolf, Ridnour).
But what is Adelman supposed to do? Hopefully the answer is in adjusting the rotation so that Rubio, AntRand, and Williams all see significantly more minutes, as they are trending up:

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 11, 2012 4:33 PM CST reply actions 11 recs
Again vj...
Tremendous. You really need to somehow get paid for this.
Maybe Adelman will hire him
I’m sure he could help.
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Thanks. Very Informative
Some great stuff in here.
Thank you
For posting this most excellent analysis. A sharp contrast to the superficial view that I’ve seen in these parts which holds that Adelman is no better than Rambis because the team’s 3-7 record to start the season is the same as it was after 10 games last year.
Agree. Excellent.
As someone who’s been ripping on Adelman for who he’s been starting, mostly in jest because we’re not even 10 games in, I have to say I really haven’t seen anybody seriously say that Adelman is on par w/ Rambis. Anywhere. Or even close to that.
by fanslaststand on Jan 11, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, a lot of stupidity around here
wait…..
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
by Action on Jan 11, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This post is great, as is the graph
Jonny "Bag o' Chips" Flynn is gone, who's next?
Crystal Ball says Wes "The Ghost" Johnson
Great job VJ.
I will link to this every time someone rags on Adelman.
Wow VJ!
I very much appreciate all the work you put into this post! It’s great to be able to see the impact that Adelman has had in comparison to “Impacted student transportation equipment”. One can only confirm the existence of a vacuum by it’s relationship to anything at normal pressure; inward impaction or the “sucking” effect will always confirm it…
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
(Wow, I had no memory of Sebastian Pruiti being so pointed about Rambis.)
It’s not like Sebastian routinely goes for trash talkin’ punditry as his tone, or anything. By his standards this was a monumental “bash.”
"Opinion ...a confession."
Top drawer, VJ
I really appreciate how clearly you can communicate advanced stat analysis. Lots of things to think about here.
Harsher Than Scissors
As usual
Great work!!!!!
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
Fantastic post
Love the integration of stats with analysis and knowledge of the game.
P.S. The “Projecting Ricky Rubio” post is looking prophetic right now. If by some fluke I become very rich and buy an NBA team, I’ll hire you into the FO.
I'm not 'sold' yet. What's this 'success' Tolliver is talking about?
The only thing I see different is 2 added talents, and we’re still losing. I see more freelancing, and less structure. If we’re going to freelance, Rubio needs some upfront time. No more digging the wolves out of 24pt holes. That’s going to burn the kid out mentally.
Outside of the new talent, and Love, we have most of the same bums we had before. We have to unload the freeloaders, and get someone who knows how to ball. We got rid of Flynn and Brewer. Great. Now we have to shed Wes, Darko, and maybe Ellington, and pick up at least one good player. Can we pry Krstic from CSKA Moscow? Can we get a wing, or a ‘2’? Rubio and Love can’t do it all, and Love’s legs seem to be tired already, so that leaves Rubio. Do we wear him down now? Nobody else seems to be doing anything. The coach had better shake up this line-up. It sucks.
You've gotta fill the roster space with something
Even if we get a decent SG most of our crap isn’t going away, and if it does it will be replaced with more crap
Jonny "Bag o' Chips" Flynn is gone, who's next?
Crystal Ball says Wes "The Ghost" Johnson
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 11, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
Improvement
Through 10 games this year, the Wolves are +3 in point differential.
Through 10 games last year, the Wolves were -107 in point differential.
Last year’s squad went 2-8 over the next ten games. We’ll see what this year’s squad will do (the combined win percentage right now of our next ten teams is .484 – we should definitely be able to do some damage if this team is for real).
by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 11, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
We're also
only 2 games back from the last playoff spot in the West.
by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 11, 2012 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
Well, this is obvious
Last year we were probably three back.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
Anyone know how to (easily) find opponents previous season's win %?
I know our first 6 games this year were probably the toughest in the league. I doubt last year’s 3-7 record was nearly as trying…..
It's not even the same team. We had some real plugs last year.
I’m sure roster changes can account for a lot of the improvement. Rubio himself has made these bozos better. It’s the Magic Johnson effect. I’m not sure your numbers tell us much about coaching when the teams are two different teams. You don’t have Brewer, Telfair, Flynn, et al.
Just two more abysmal players to go, and the numbers rise.
This is why I read this site
Wish SnP was still putting out analysis of this type, though I suppose he deserves some free time…
, said Mplax.
by Mplax on Jan 11, 2012 6:56 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I figure he's earned a year off as we don't have a draft pick, but if he puts together a Hoopus Score for the draft anyway I'll appreciated it!
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Not entirely true
we have a protected draft pick from, is it Memphis (via Utah)? and didn’t we get some sort of pick from Chicago? during that fire sale during the last draft? I really wish some one would update the incoming outgoing draft page. people keep saying that we don’t have a pick in next years draft but that isn’t really true. we don’t have our draft pick, but that doesn’t mean we wont have a seat at the table.
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
by the Real Thor on Jan 11, 2012 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
ok, it is Utah's own pick
top 14 protected this year. what are the odds Utah finishes with he 15th worst record?
here is what I could find on the other pick
Timberwolves-Rockets-Bulls: The Minnesota Timberwolves traded guard Jonny Flynn(notes) and the draft rights to Donatas Motiejunas (No. 20) to the
Houston Rockets for center Brad Miller(notes), the draft rights to Nikola Mirotic
(No. 23), Chandler Parsons (No. 38) and a future first-round pick. The Timberwolves traded Mirotic’s rights to the Chicago Bulls for the rights to Norris Cole (No. 28) and Malcolm Lee (No. 43). The Timberwolves then sold the rights to Parsons back to the Rockets.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-nba_draft_2011_trade_breakdown_062411
So, who’s pick is it, and what if any protections does it have? these are teh things I would really love to know.
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
by the Real Thor on Jan 11, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
All future draft pick information
can be found here. We are owed protected 1st-round picks by both Utah and Memphis (the Memphis pick is the one we got from Houston). They are both top-14 protected, so in order to have a pick next year, one or both of those teams need to make the playoffs. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of those teams made it.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
Thanks,
but I like having My info here. Makes easier to find, and also, the editors are usually good at making certain things clear which the yahoo and other sites don’t bother with, like whose pick we got from Huston and what if any protections are on it and for how long.
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
by the Real Thor on Jan 11, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
Put something together..
I’m sure a bunch of folks would appreciate a nice summary of it all.
If I'm reading this right....
…the potential 1st from Memphis is a 2013.
And in 2012, if we don’t get Utah’s pick or acquire any others in trades, the only pick we’ll have is OKC’s 2nd?
by One_Eyed_Jack on Jan 11, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
WRT Utah's pick
Top 14 protected this year, top 12 protected next year. Basically, if this team doesn’t hold off Memphis (or GS), they’re going to tank. Expect Jefferson to be dealt if they’re not legitimately in the race by the deadline. But if everything goes right for them (us), it would be possible to get the 16th or 17th pick this year (I assume the worst West record in the playoffs won’t be the worst overall).
When Utah lost in OT to the Lakers the other day, my stomach hurt a little.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
I agree with the above.. you guys (vjl, snp, timallen and oceanary) should be getting paid for this stuff...
The only thing I will say is some of the data you presented is difficult to interpret as the team personnel has noticeably improved with the addition of RR and DW. Without question the coaching is vastly better, but these are undoubtedly confounding variables that cannot be dismissed.
What I gathered from his post was..
that where your team shoots (high outcome shots) and where your players can manipulate the other team into shooting are coached behaviors.
By roundabout (in the wolves case) 15% differential. If your shooters are on par with the other team that is a very marked advantage. Situations and players will change, but there really seems to be a correlation.
This sounds about right. And you did see some from the best example of poor shot selection we have access to: beasley. He started really changing where he was shooting from (according to my memory/eye test) to more 3/at the rim… But then he busted his ankle and was total crap. Pretty interesting that this data further seems to indicate that approaching the melo rule is optimal. (12-12-12 or whatever).
Outstanding
I’ve read Berri’s take on coaching and have been interested in a more fleshed out analysis (Berri’s been known to jump to conclusions from time to time, particularly when they’re controversial). Very, very cool stuff.
And bonus points for the photo of Adelman. He looks an opposing player in Hoosiers.
The contempory photo
Still makes me think of some British bloke in the House of Commons, maybe it’s the John Cleese jaw.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 11, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Not a bad comp.
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But Cleese is six years older and three inches taller than Adelman. And a whoooooole lot funnier!
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 11, 2012 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
I hope "getting paid for this stuff" is just a euphinism
It’s just me but valuing everything in monetary terms is so….
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
nope..
there are plenty of people making money for less…
Very true.
But people call me an artist (which amuses me) and ask me why I don’t sell my work. I have a problem with the whole idea of these creations (my own, others can do as they please) as a commodity. My work has a much greater and lesser value when I tell them they should make their own. I find great value in working at something just for fun.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 11, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
I don't have any idea what your "work" is
But I’m glad people have been willing to sell their “art” over the years. It has greatly enriched my life.
by stuntmonkeys on Jan 12, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
I'm docking you
ten Hoopus bucks for this comment…
, said Mplax.
I'm saving mine for that clock radio
on page 9 of the Canis Hoopus Gift Catalog.
What's wrong with the NBA is what's wrong with the USA: too much respect for superstars and not enough for working class heroes.
So
Much easier than having to find another item to exchange?
Dollars are my best friend. Here dollar – dollar – dollar……come here sweetie pie. Ohhh, daddy missed you.
by fanslaststand on Jan 12, 2012 5:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wow... excellent read...
…and not at all what I was expecting (wordy, opinionated diatribe). Exceptionally framed and presented argument.
You must not read VJ much.
He consistently has some of the best sports statistical analysis available anywhere.
I read every article presented on this site.
Even amongst other great to not-so-great writers vj stands out.
I had tears in my eyes
reading that Kurt Rambis decision-making chart. I’m pretty sure they were tears of laughter
by Los Lobos Del Bosque on Jan 12, 2012 8:19 AM CST reply actions
A Choice...
so here’s a question….would we rather have Adelman and Wes or Rambis with Cousins. Kind of interesting, but if we would have had Cousins last year, we probably win mroe games and maybe Rambis stays another year. For me, I put up with a wasted Wes pick if it means Ricky doesn’t get ruined by Rambis. Maybe this was part of the Kahn master plan – ha!
god i hate this posting system some times
here goes try number 2,
DMC didn’t help SacTown win any games last year, I highly doubt he would have helped Rambis win any games either.
why ohh why does this stupid system redirect me to some generic SBN page every 10th time I try to correct a spelling error! then any unread posts automatically become read so I don’t know where I left off, plus I have to find the post I am replying to and retype the whole damn thing again. Ugh!
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
by the Real Thor on Jan 12, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
I was wondering when this was going to come up.
Adelman is not why we are doing better. We got rid of Flynn and got a better guard. Most of our scoring comes from two people Rubio and Love. Adelman has even said there were one two that could handle the ball (I wonder which two?)
If Adelman wants me to give him credit for coaching he needs to change the starting line up. The reserves that do better than the starters should be the starters.
Got to love how tons of changes were made and its the coach that makes the difference. The biggest change I see is no Johnny Flynn and Flynns replacement gets double doubles.
Rambis, is that you?
I kid, while certainly replacing Flynn with Rubio is bound to have a greatly positive impact on this team, just because the back ups are vastly out performing the starters, does not mean that the would carry the same level of performance playing as starters. Rubio excepted. also, while many bad players are starting, they are not playing starter minutes. by and large Adelman is giving starter min to the best players, and that is more important then who starts and who subs in after 5-8 min. At the end of the game, it does not matter when the points are scored, only that they are scored. Once the clock stops, a basket that was made in the fist 2 min of the game counts for the same number of points as the basket scored in the last 2 min of the game.
Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?
by the Real Thor on Jan 12, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
I agree that our starting lineup is pretty terrible...
but the focus on it is a bit over-done. Minutes are what really matters, and Adelman is doing a pretty good job on that front:
Player MPG
Kevin Love 39.1
Michael Beasley 31.7
Luke Ridnour 29.7
Ricky Rubio 29
Anthony Tolliver 24.3
Derrick Williams 21.3
Wesley Johnson 19.8
Jose Barea 19.6
Darko Milicic 18.6
Wayne Ellington 18.3
Anthony Randolph 14
Nikola Pekovic 2
The only major offender is Beasley. In my opinion Johnson, Darko, and Ellington are all seeing too many minutes, and Randolph isn’t seeing enough, but it is hard to shuffle minutes around that roster much more efficiently. Love is already playing too many minutes, and I would be concerned about pushing a kid (Rubio) who has never player 1300 minutes in a year too hard. His hands are pretty tied for now.
trend has to be
JJ +
Anthony the Grey +
DWill ++
Beasley down to 21-25 when he returns, hopefully as offense coming off the the Bench.
Wayne is simply a place holder for JJ
Darko more and more just a situational guy (even if its first 5 minutes of the game/half, then done)
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Jan 12, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't give more than 25 to DWill
He should EARN his time. He needs to get consistent before getting starters’ minutes. He should get 25+ minutes if/when his defense improved enough. He is not that far, but he needs to improve.
Same goes for Wes. I think he could be quite effective from the bench in a limited role. Wes is extremely close to being actually quite good, his nuances from being actually good.
DWills D
has been even worse then Beasley, this is the #1 reason why he wont get more PT i think.
and the #1 way for him to become a force is by developing his post game, its a perfect matchup of team need and player development to the next level.
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Jan 13, 2012 7:46 AM CST up reply actions
"DWills D has been even worse then Beasley"
Beasley: DRtg 103
Williams: ERtg 101
Actually, that comparison reveals Williams to be a much more valuable player than Beasley, now that their minutes are about equal.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 13, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
Curses.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 13, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
It's what happens
when I fat-finger DRtg and don’t proofread.
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by Cynical Jason on Jan 13, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Great post but I have a question
“McHale seems like a fine coach, but teams that limit mid-range shots like Adelman’s apparently do, are going to win in the long run.”
You state this is as if its fact (and I’ve seen it stated that way around here often). Has there been any proven correlation between limiting mid-range shots and winning? I know statistically FTs, shots at the rim, and 3 point shots are the best shots in basketball. I definitely understand the reasoning behind the hate of mid range shots BUT at the same time, there is a reason they are taken and are important. Good teams focus on shutting down the paint and not giving up open 3s. Bad teams let you walk all over them, but good teams make you go to your 3rd and 4th option.
Using a very unscientific search and just using the eye test, it seems like the shot distribution of a team does no more than just tell you what type of team it is. There are great teams that don’t get to the rim and shoot a ton of mid range shots, bad teams that get to the rim and take a ton of 3s, etc. It seems pretty random. For example, last year ATL had the 2nd worst XeFG%. Miami was 21st in the league, Memphis was 20th in the league. Knicks and Bobcats were top 5 and they were horrible.
Any thoughts?
Good call
In all honesty, I was simply taking the relationship on faith. I looked at teams’ efficiency differential (the best measure of team success) and the net of their own and opponent’s distribution-based “expected eFG%” over the last 4 years. The r-value is about .22. Decent correlation, but certainly not overpoweringly important. Shot locations only explain about 5% of team success. That means 4 games a season, but not the difference between the Heat and the Wizards.
Here is a plot of that data:
So the answer is no?
I’m assuming the BFL is humorous
Jonny "Bag o' Chips" Flynn is gone, who's next?
Crystal Ball says Wes "The Ghost" Johnson
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 12, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
I typically use a lowess rather than just a fit line.
There is a positive relationship. The BFL has a slope of 0.22.
Interesting
I will be taking Stats this upcoming semester, maybe I’ll be able to chip in with the statistical analysis on here as well by the end. Up to this point I have only dealt with least squares, best fit and a few others in my math/science courses
Jonny "Bag o' Chips" Flynn is gone, who's next?
Crystal Ball says Wes "The Ghost" Johnson
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 13, 2012 4:06 AM CST up reply actions
Interesting
Thanks for putting that together so fast. I think it’s important to look at stuff like this and not completely blast a style of play. IMO, talent should dictate your shot distribution more than the average eFG% of the league. Great article though, love the attention to detail, vj.

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