Memphis trying to trade Mayo again
Two Woj tweets:
"Memphis and New Jersey have been engaged in trade talks centered on guard O.J. Mayo, but a deal appears unlikely, league sources tell Y!"
"Nets-Grizzlies talks included scenarios for Anthony Morrow and a pick for O.J. Mayo, but discussions have lost traction, sources tell Y!"
Mayo still available. Not sure if the Wolves don't want, or price is too high? I know many here are not big fans, but he would be an improvement over Johnson.
I wonder if Mayo has been telling MEM that he won't resign there and/or he is looking for a BIG contract? If so, Wolves might not want to rent him or pay him a BIG contract.
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I'll rent him anyway.
as long as we’re moving someone like Pek/Darko/Ellington/etc.
I have news for you, Mr. Mayo, you are NOT going to get a BIG contract
he’s so not worth Morrow and a pick.
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there is no way that
the Wolves/Grizz have not discussed a deal…be it the grizz approaching us and we pass for mysterious reasons, or not a good match with mutual interest.
there is smoke around Mayo, why else would he be constantly on the block, even after moving Henry?
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Jan 13, 2012 9:27 AM CST reply actions
Even if there is
he’s still a producing SG that would give us a bump, especially if we could trade a Pekavic for him.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
if we can take out the trash
and get him, DEFINITELY.
and i say this more for defensive reasons.
there has to be a plan in place to solve the roster imbalance, i’m confident this new mgmt team will address the issues to Adelmans liking.
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Jan 13, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
so you don't think they've talked?
i wonder what the story inside story is on Mayo, i mean he’s been confirmed traded twice then deals pulled back. smells like jackass material to me…Hollins seems like a real standup guy to play for.
Morrow for Gay…Nets feel like the Russian speaking sucker in that trade.
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Jan 13, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
edit: Morrow for Mayo
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Jan 13, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
I don't
I think they want a guy who can stand there and hit 3s. Morrow, Redick, Jones…guys like that.
Do you have access to Synergy data?
It seems like Ellington can stand there and hit 3s pretty well (same 3PT% as Redick last year). It’s when he moves around and shoots (or defends) that he gets into trouble. I’d be curious if the stats back that up.
(I’m not saying that Wayne is as good as Redick, or that I wouldn’t want Redick. But if we’re looking for a guy to chuck up some threes, Wayne is a pretty good candidate even if he won’t give you much anywhere else.)
by Madison Dan on Jan 13, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
4-12 on spot up 3s. 0-4 on 3s with pnr or in transition or off the dribble.
Wayne isn’t very good. He hasn’t scored in iso, his spot up shooting is 4-17 (0-5 inside the arc), 2-6 off a screen, and 2-6 on the pnr.
Redick is 8-24 on spot up 3s (same % as Wayne). 5-8 on 3s in transition (RUBBBBIIIIIOOOOO!!!), and 1-3 on 3s with pnr.
Redick is 2-5 in iso, 15-35 on spot up shots (7-11 inside the arc)….he’s not very good as the ball handler in pnr or really all that great off screens. He’s excellent in transition and he has a track record of being good with spot up/catch and shoot situations. He’s 10-13 in transition.
how bout late season Martell last year...
def better then Wayne, Redick like?
still think he could be this guy.
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Jan 13, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks, that sounds about right.
Redick is clearly a lot better than Wayne. Morrow is, too, but he seems pretty similar to Wayne, in that the only thing he can really do is shoot, he just does it a lot better than Wayne does (which is something we should want).
by Madison Dan on Jan 13, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Read today about JRick having a potential knee issue
I’d think that would make Redick even more difficult for them to trade. They are also winning games which (in their mind) keeps them in the hunt for retaining Dwight’s services.
I’m afraid the JJ dream may have to be put on hold until after Dwight leaves SnP…
But you may (I hope!) have inside information to the contrary. I’m not a huge fan of JJ but he is an obvious upgrade over Wes.
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by Wile E Coyote on Jan 13, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Typo - JRich
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nba/167779/report-j-rich-%28knee%29-to-have-mri-on-friday
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by Wile E Coyote on Jan 13, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
You have access to Synergy as well...
http://www.mysynergysports.com/
Unfortunately it is a really clunky system and doesn’t store past seasons.
Oh, thanks.
I’ve tried to go there in the past and always tricked myself into think that you have to pay to have access to anything.
by Madison Dan on Jan 13, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
I think that's a matter of Barea being out more than anything else
Ricky, Luke, and JJ should be able to give 48 minutes of the lead on the pnr guitar.
You might be right. I thought Adelman recently claimed he saw the handling shortage as a problem way back preseason, but the only article where that’s suggested I can find is buried under digital mountains of archives from the PiPress. Can’t find it. I also have no idea if this realization was before they signed Barea. And of course, a preseason assesment would have been before he knew Rubio would demonstrate the poise he has.
The larger answer here should be what we work toward.
why else would he be constantly on the block, even after moving Henry?
The reason both of them became trade candidates is, simply, that the Grizzlies have realized Tony Allen plays as a starter on that team. People make a big deal out of Zach, but Allen’s promotion coincided with their turnaround really, really closely.
Allen was signed as a pretty bargain-rate free agent for them. The guy makes a little over $3 million. He’s an elite perimeter defender who knows his offensive role on the team. (Sure, he also seems to be fairly nuts. He and Mayo had their plane run-in last season.)
The Wolves want to make that signing (or acquisition), I think.
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Tony Allen is great
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Why consider trading for Mayo...
when a better 2-guard is sitting there in free-agency?
Cut someone and sign Keith Bogans yesterday.
Agreed
He’s cheap. He can hit the 3. Plays great D. Especially with Barea missing more time…Bogans, yes Keith Bogans, would be a massive upgrade.
by Hold_Steady on Jan 13, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, given Memphis is giving far too many minutes at the 4 to the thus-far unproductive combo of Cunningham and Speights right now, and MN’s giving too many minutes at the 2 to the unproductive combo of Wes and Wayne, I thought about suggesting the disappointing #2 pick in the 2008 draft for the disappointing #3 pick in the 2008 draft. But that doesn’t accomplish a whole lot given Beasley and Mayo aren’t productive, either. I think if you have to evaluate a trade idea by determining the upgrade in degrees of badness, it’s probably a waste of time.
Moreover, as you said, it shouldn’t be that hard to upgrade the 2 with other alternatives.
Cause he's not exciting :)
thats the reason.
I’m being honest, Mayo has a pedigree he has shown long stretches of playing very intriguing basketball, he is mysteriously regressing but that may have more to do with Memphis trying to feature their 80 million dollar man and get a 2 guard that is more defensive minded.
Bogoans is not going to excite anyone, but will probably help out maybe more than Mayo, maybe not.
Now, if he is really that good, why is he a free agent? the 2 guard shortcomings are league wide and he can’t get a job?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 13, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Wins excite me...
we will win more games with Bogans than with Mayo.
There is one thing Bogans absolutely does not offer, and that is usage. Many teams try to get their usage at the 2. We can get lots of quality usage from Rubio, Love, and Barrea so we really don’t need a high-usage 2. Bogans isn’t “exciting”, but he will help. I also think it is a pretty big stretch to call Mayo “exciting”. Even at his best he has never been very interesting. He has been living on pre-college hype his whole career and expiration date on that is well past-due.
if wins excite you then explain why you are a wolves fan?
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
by littleboxes on Jan 13, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
expired mayo
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
by littleboxes on Jan 13, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Old mayo might make you sick,
but I think when mayo gets that old it can make you immortal!
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by Cynical Jason on Jan 13, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
The one thing I do like about Bogans
is he would be a very logical piece if we are rolling with Williams as a hybrid 3.
We’ve gotta have a high usage/volume guy on the wing that can start and play 35 mpg. That is the ultimate compliment to Love/Rubio.
I def think Williams can be that answer but to do that you’re gonna have to get a defensive minded 2 and 5.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 13, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Love is top 15 usage in the league...
and Rubio sets up most of our offense when he is in the game. I agree we need to get some offense out of our wings but neither needs to be much above average.
Ehhh
Well let me say it like this.
I think ideally you have a wing that can get you offense from the wing at a volume clip if NEED be. I don’t think Love is best suited to be the ultra high usage guy he has been. I think he might actually score more points and do it more efficiently if we had (have/develop Williams) a wing who can creat-to-score (as opposed to Rubio’s create-to-pass, which is awesome from a point). The collapsing defenses on, say DeMar Derozan/Derrick Williams (still think Demar’d be a good fit) would create almost endless open looks for Love in conjunction with Adleman’s pick n pop/read and react offense.
I think it’s the final offensive piece for this team (sans a smattering of lethal shooters) to become almost unstoppable offensively, but a 2 guy who can turn the volume on but can also play in an offense would be almost perfect.
….Austin Rivers anyone?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 13, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
BTW...
I was just about to post one of my favorite draft analyst’s early comments on the 2012 draft. He has a very different take than you on the SG crop…
Top SGs
Will Barton, Memphis
Jeremy Lamb, Connecticut
Dion Waiters, Syracuse
Marcus Denmon, Missouri
Bradley Beal, Florida
Terrence Ross, Washington: Based on history, pedigree and statistics so far this year, these 6 are above the rest. There are things I like about each, but I also have reservations. Ross is a particularly shaky addition to this group. Denmon is different from the rest in that he’s older and more of a more of a sure thing. As a senior he doesn’t have the upside of the others though. I’m hesitant to rank any SG too high. Decent, usable SGs are so plentiful that burning a lottery pick on a player who isn’t another Wade, Kobe or Jordan just doesn’t make sense.
Overhyped
Austin Rivers, G Duke: These 5 prospects get a ton of hype as prospects and have resided in the lottery or higher of most mocks around the nets. Based on their numbers none is a lottery pick, let alone a player who should be in the top 5 discussion. All are young and should improve, but in each case the numbers are just too weak to justify their lofty status in most mocks. Barnes probably has the most potential of the group, but like the rest he is far from looking like the star he’s being advertised as.
Disclaimer… I haven’t watched any college bball myself this year.
I am going to hold out all year on putting together the Hoopus draft board..
…..at least until April. I’m so sick of early-season draft/cap space talk with a sh***y team. That being said, if they get the Memphis pick: Doron Lamb, Doron Lamb, Doron Lamb.
Isn't it the Utah Pick potentially this year
And the Memphis pick in 2013?
Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.
Whatever one they get
Lamb, Lamb, Lamb. (Of course, I haven’t actually watched any college hoops or put the numbers through the spreadsheet yet, so this is just me getting giddy about a guy who can hit a ton of 3s and play the 2 guard.)
3-Point Shooting Offguard
I’ve made a couple of jokes here about signing J.R. Smith. But quietly, I’ll admit I have harbored secret hopes that another year of maturity for Smith plus, perhaps, a new perspective given the life experiences of living abroad/being out of the NBA would maybe change him a bit. Then the Wolves could swoop in with the MLE and land a guy with a physical skillset that seems tailormade to play with Rubio and Love.
Yeah, about that…
by jianfu on Jan 13, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I haven't seen Smith play much
and I’ve heard about his reputation as a crazy person, but he’s put up some pretty good numbers. The Wolves have to at least think about signing him, right?
What. The. Hell.
The stupid. it burns.
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by Cynical Jason on Jan 13, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I usually just file that under "stupid,"
because I really don’t know of any non-stupid racism. But you’re right. “Racist” would be a more accurate label than “stupid.”
Wow.
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by Cynical Jason on Jan 13, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
Since the Wolves had Memphis’ 2011 pick (through Utah in the Big Al trade), their next pick (since it was traded prior to the 2011 draft to Houston for Battier I think) can’t be used by the Wolves until 2013.
Still a good chance at the Jazz pick though.
Is it just the 3 point shooting?
I like Doron Lamb, but he’s my 4th choice for the Wolves out of this draft
1.) Beal
2.) Rivers or Tony Wroten (pretty close between the two)
4.) D.Lamb
Lamb can stroke and handle the rock but he feels very “ordinary” too me. Now, ordinary would help and if the best the Wolves can do is get pick like 22 to get Doron that’s A-OK with me. But I would first try and get between9-17 and get one of my other three
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I don't know yet
I hate college basketball. I’d rather be stabbed in the eye with a spork than watch college ball. I haven’t watched any games and I haven’t plugged in all the numbers to the Hoopus score sheet yet.
What I have so far with those guys is them being listed:
Beal: 18.9
Rivers: 16.5
Wroten: 16.0
Lamb: 16.0
That is without any sort of efficiency score worked in. That’s just raw stats, age, defined NBA position, rebounds + points + assists + steals + blocks – TO – missed free throws….all weighted for position.
Kyrie Irving had a 19.75 raw score last year. Anthony Davis has a 20.6 score right now. I only put in about 20 guys before I got sick of it. The Wolves are competitive this year and I’m going to hold off on draft talk for as long as possible…especially since they don’t have their pick.
As for those 4, Wroten’s missed free throws and turnovers are terrible. Rivers doesn’t rebound well or do anything off the ball. Beal does stuff in addition to scoring. Lamb doesn’t do much but shoot well but he doesn’t turn it over.
FWIW
The raw part of the score is the “who they are” part and the efficiency is “how well they do it”. Ideally, the really good prospects are young, score well enough, don’t turn it over, and do a lot of things on the court. Brandon Knight scored well on the raw score portion of the equation and he was super young. If he was a 23 year old senior, he’d be Nolan Smith. Instead, he’s starting from that point.
Dude your draft stuff is bomb
I might not always agree with you on all your takes, but I always love the draft convo….even if you hate it.
Beal is the guy for me.
Wroten I think is the biggest “upside” guy. A lot of raw talent with that one, but he’s an absolute athletic beast with handles….kind of a good guy Tyreke Evans.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Yes please...
I’ve watched Doron Lamb a couple of times and he seems to be the most complete offensive sg that I’ve seen so far. He can do everything you want from a sg offensively, he can shoot from anywhere, get to the rim, floaters, he gets to the line, doesn’t turn the ball over, I really really hope the Wolves get this Utah pick just to draft him.
ehhh
very ordinary, but good.
Wes Matthews is a very solid best case scenario for Lamb…which believe me would help…I think there are other players with a little higher ceilings, however almost everything DLamb does will almost assuredly transfer to the pro’s.
Maybe numbers tell a different story but it appears he is supremely low-usage at Kentucky from what I can tell and scores with high efficiency (again don’t have the numbers but I would classify his game as low usage and high efficiency)
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Wes Matthews was/isn't the same type of ball handler as Lamb but having watched Lamb his upside is something like Marcus Thornton or Lou Williams.
He can score from anywhere, he seems to have no holes offensively, if you can get that type of player outside the lottery you take it.
As far as his usage, no one on that Kentucky team has a very high usage, of players on that team that get 25+ minutes a game, everyones usage is between 19-22. They’re a pretty balanced offensive team but with a team has Rubio on it, having someone he does appear to be extremely efficient with or without the ball in his hands that can play sg seems to be what your looking for.
I absolutely would take DLamb
he’s still probably 4th on my list.
Marcus Thornton is an excellent comp
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
For me, this discussion kinda comes full circle
Not looking at stats at all, so forgive me if those are quite different, but Austin Rivers at Duke reminds me a lot of OJ Mayo at USC.
Bigtime hype, check
Should be a SG, check
A little undersized for SG, check
Gets praise for having PG skills, check
But not really a PG, check
I would much, much, much rather have Jeremy Lamb. Said it to my friends right before the college bball season, and then got on a whole “SEE? SEE?” rant after catching this highlight.
It's not global warming...it's the Rubio effect.
by BrettAhlgren on Jan 13, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Well, yep, the stats back it up
OJ was higher usage on that not-nearly-as-good USC team, but Austin’s percentages are pretty similar.
It's not global warming...it's the Rubio effect.
by BrettAhlgren on Jan 13, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Even if Waiters was the BEST SG prospect in the draft
I wouldn’t want him. The Wolves got burned in consecutive drafts by prospects out of Syracuse taken with high picks, and if it were to happen again I might go on a rampage.
J. Lamb and Beal will be selected too high, but Ross or D. Lamb would be great options.
If they could get Waiters with a LOW pick (early second round), I guess I could go with it.
I love Brad Beal
Beal is the guy I would trade everything but Love/Rubio/Williams for
He has the ability to be a better defensive better passing Eric Gordon.
JLamb will be a top 5 pick, Terrence Ross I don’t love don’t think he does 1 thing overly well, Dion Waters don’t love, Will Barton intruiges me very much, the little I’ve seen of Memphis he’s been playing well.
Rivers is a guy who is going to just murder people with Rubio for 10 years on the pick and roll with Love. literally we will not have to run another player for 10 years, just pick and roll teams to absolute death.
Rivers is good stuff, smart player, excellent ball handling and passing, a little shaky on defense but he and Rubio would terrorize the NBA for 10 yeasrs
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Since you have been watching NCAA ball...
and have a thing for young SGs… can you tell me what is wrong with Kentavious Caldwell-Pope other than his name?
He is a 6’6 18 year old shooting guard in a competitive conference putting up easily the best numbers in his class. I want answers.
NBA is so much better than college
I just like basketball though. I enjoy the other sports, but I just love watching bball. Played through my first year of college and have been a junky since. I have a bunch of friends that ended up playing D2 and small D1 college ball and even will watch that stuff if I have the opportunity
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Draft Express has him pegged as number 14 in 2013 in there preliminary draft.
Might be just that he’s not pegged to come out this year. Other than that he’s T Rex armed with a 6’ 5.5’’ wingspan. And I’ve got nothing else.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Well they have him listed at 14 under his profile.
He’s not actually listed on the 2013 mock — so I’m not certain what to make of that.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
He's not even listed in their top 100 prospects
I checked his profile out, and he is listed as the 16th-best freshman. Other than that, no writeups or tweets.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
I really can't fathom what it would take...
for a guy to put up these kind of numbers as a long 18 year old shooting-guard in the SEC and not receive any respect on DX. Does he have some kind of terminal illness? Did he spend his entire teens in Juvi?
Seriously… 20pnts 7rebs and 2.5steals per 40 minutes on 53 TS% efficiency while carrying 20% of his teams possessions. The only knock I can find is his sub-par FTA/FGA.
He'll probably pop up on one of their
“Trending prospects” or “Top Prospects in the SEC” writeups, whenever they happen. It’s still weird that Givony hasn’t even so much as tweeted a reference to him.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
Here we go
Can someone tell me why Kentavious Caldwell-Pope isn’t on any draft boards? Is he a murderer? A+ production, legit size, solid conf…WTF?
He's legit man
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Just not a big name
Let’s call it the “reverse” Mayo. He wasn’t a huge recruit so he is having to play his way onto draft boards.
He probably won’t come out in 2012 is the reason I don’t really include him, but if he does he will likely be in striking distance of the Wolves
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
We should be trying to trade for Morrow
not Mayo. Morrow is the better 3pt shooter. With Rubio’s insane ability to get guys wide open 3pt chances, we should be doing everything possible to find a wing or two that’s a proven threat from deep.
This is great news on two fronts: Morrow and Mayo are both available.
Come on Kahn. Get an SG!
by Tollysnipes on Jan 13, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
this team needs a wing that can handle the ball
morrow cannot. he is a great shooter, but can’t create at all. i like mayo, he can be a secondary ballhandler like ridnour does when ricky is in the game, is an above average shooter and athlete and can defend. morrow is a huge liability on D. no help defense, no lateral quickness and not a hint of interest in getting better at that end of the floor.
mayo is not the ideal fit, but if he is available so soon in the season, i say go for it.
I'd take a cold blooded shooter
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
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