My little sister surprised us with a visit....
....so no game wrap, but Ivan the Terrible!!!
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This was an ugly game
that I thought we had in hand. I walked away for a few minutes, and the Wolves shit the bed. Game over.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
once again Jason
Way to ruin it for everyone. Hope wherever you walked was worth it.
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 14, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
better than me
I logged onto Canis hoopus after putting the kids to bed and opened up league pass… CH loaded first and said we were up 15 or so… turns out that we were actually down 3 with a mere 2 minutes left to play… ugg what a letdown.
I know basketball is a game of runs
But how did we give away that 18 point lead. At that point in the game there were 15 minutes to go. If we had just scored about 25 points or so for the rest of the game they shouldn’t have even had a chance to get back.
I missed the last few minutes, anything particularly gut-wrenching happen that I missed?
Jonny "back o' chips" Flynn is the GOAT
biggest play was when Jason walked away.
Changed the momentum.
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 14, 2012 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
I have some karma to re-establish.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 15, 2012 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
Some guy
charged K Love when he had his feet clearly set, and they called a block.
Plus some poor execution on the final play.
As bad as the Beasley iso 3 against Denver last year?
Jonny "back o' chips" Flynn is the GOAT
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 14, 2012 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
I'll be honest
I was furious as KLove hoisted the final shot, but I’m already completely over it. The bottom line is that Rubio looks more legit every single game (and by legit, I mean he practically SHOULD be the starting PG for the West all-stars). Rubio+Love+the trash heap=a competitive, albeit mediocre squad. Add ANYTHING else of value, and we’re a playoff squad (yes, that includes a healthy Barea and/or a polished RickWill). So for now, enjoy Rubio’s flash, Love’s stats, and whatever wins happen to come our way. We’re going to make the leap very, very soon, Hornepocalypse be damned. Whether the nudge happens at the trade deadline or via an offseason move, I’m sensing that 2012-13 will be something special.
If Love doesn't sign I am going to die
Jonny "back o' chips" Flynn is the GOAT
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 15, 2012 12:24 AM CST up reply actions
He'll sign...
pretty sure the biggest name to play out the rookie deal thus far (by choice) has been Ben Gordon. He may ask for only three years ala LeBron and Wade, but he isn’t going to risk a severe injury before he’s gotten a huge payday.
…and yes, if he doesn’t sign—you know, I was about to say “fold the franchise,” but I’m giddy enough about the early returns from Rubio that I’d be willing to give him a chance as the Lone Wolf of Consequence.
I was interpreting
his recent slump as part of the negotiation process, as “see what happens if I’’m not on the team so pay me what I want”.
He's way too obsessed with numbers to play that sort of game (%%%--I think...)
Like I said, I’m choosing to be over the hero shot he took tonight (which pissed me off more than the squandered lead), but that ball has to be in the hands of Ricky f*ing Unicorn. As much as we need Love, I hope Adelman had the stones to pull him aside afterward and remind him gently (or not) that Wolves>Love, run the damn play, etc.
Basketball is a > $1x10^7 business
A player with contract negotiations this year looses significant fat to become even more of a rebound/scoring machine, followed by a slump, then a resumption of turbo mode right before his imposed deadline. Nobody stepped up during that slump (proof of team suck without him for negotiation purposes). Post CBA, i’ve been noticing a lot more players playing their own type of moneyball. As for the Spanish Unicorn, the problem of a pass first PG on a team of misfit non-scorers (with few exceptions) is it doesn’t do much for assist numbers or the game score → wins. He might actually have to convert over and be like the other PGs and do his own scoring for his future’s sake. The fact that he has an uptrend in his stats tonight can be natural progression/realization of the situation. It would be nice if he could work up to and consistently get > 20 points per game.
Yeah, because morale was so high last year (sans Rubio), right?
Just like fan interest, number of wins, etc. %%
Your Wolves remind me of an '07-'08 Hawks...
…Who either limped into the 8-seed despite ‘the trash heap,’ or who perplexingly only made the 8-seed with such a talented core.
And then almost blew up Boston in the first round. I’m not sure how deep you’ll go, but this team is destined for better days.
Disclaimer: I’m sorry I compared you to a persistently-frustrating Hawks team, but I have to say your team this year and our team that year were/are a ton of fun to watch.
Good match, chaps.
Too bad we're not in the East
and maybe we could play our way to an eight-seed too….
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
A random question re: Love's extension
So I’ve been wondering about the logistics of Love’s extension. Say he signs an extension tomorrow. How does that affect our cap this year vs next? I’m thinking that this trading deadline is basically our last opportunity to take on an overpriced vet (think Iggy, Ellis, Gay, etc, regardless of whether any of those are actually available). If we add a big salary now, we can go above the cap to keep Love, but not vice-versa, correct? (i.e. if we wait until the offseason, Love’s extension goes into effect, and we’d only be able to spend up to the cap on free agents)
Also, whenever SnP mentions our wing woes these days, he seems to mention Redick or Morrow as potential solutions. Should we infer that older, pricier players are out of the picture as far as the FO is concerned? I’m not sure I’m ready to give up on Kevin Martin…
These droughts seem like
a lack of players not named Rubio & Love who can contribute.
Ellington had a nice 4th quarter, but he was about it. Need other players who can step up and do something.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
There are two defenses against Sports PTSD:
cynicism and winning. I can’t be cynical 100% of the time b/c Rubio and Love are playing out of their minds. We can’t win 66% of the time b/c JJ and Webster and Miller are out. Growing pains are one thing, but that 4th quarter was like labor pains. Yikes!
by Los Lobos Del Bosque on Jan 15, 2012 1:28 AM CST reply actions
I cannot fault the Wolves for not getting Rudy before Ricky was here and established in MN
Obviously bringing in one of a guy’s closest friends (who’d also be a useful player) could be a great idea, but this organization had a whoooole lot riding on Rubio working out, and Rudy was widely believed to be a malcontent, actively seeking a way out of the NBA. (I know, Portland was a bid situation for him, blah blah blah…just talking about how he was perceived around the league).
In retrospect, knowing what a shining beacon of professionalism and positivity Ricky apparently is, bringing in Rudy would’ve been a good call. But I can see why they didn’t do it.
Love and Rubio can take the responsibility for this loss...
they shot as combined 41 times and clerarly monopolized the ball movement. Since Rubio’s minutes have gone up Darko, Wes and Luke’s involvement in the offense has disminished. This is not good moral or winning!
by duckofdeath on Jan 15, 2012 3:00 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
So,
your argument is that Rubio and Love have to downgrade their play to achieve the level of suck as the rest of the team. And this will increase the number of wins? Love just hast to keep scoring and rebound stats up. Rubio has to chose whom to pass to, based on not wasting a scoring attempt. He will pass to whoever can score to achieve this percentage wise. It’s like RA choosing how long a player is in the game (% time) depending on their effectiveness. I’m sure if Darko and Wes can increase their scoring contributions, they’ll get the ball more. Luke is the PG when Rubio is not in, he can give himself a chance to score.
Don't feed the apathetic troll
Jonny "back o' chips" Flynn is the GOAT
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 15, 2012 3:31 AM CST up reply actions
I have no idea what's going on
I probably just should have put cynical fan
Jonny "back o' chips" Flynn is the GOAT
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 15, 2012 4:42 AM CST up reply actions
From the movie
Charley holds up a dime novel with a lurid cover showing a
gentleman in a top hat protecting a woman with his body
while firing two pistols at seven disheveled looking
“Western types.” The title is “The Duke of Death.”
LITTLE BILL
(reading with effort)
The… Duck of Death.
WW
D-d-d-duke. The D-d-duke of
Death.
English Bob starts to go but Little Bill puts a hand on his
shoulder.
LITTLE BILL
Give me the .32, Bob.
Furious, English Bob turns and looks into Bill’s eyes and
then, seeing no alternative, opens his vest esposing a small
pistol.
ENGLISH BOB
You leave me at the mercy of my
enemies.
LITTLE BILL
(taking the pistol)
Enemies, Bob? You been talking
about the Queen again? On
Independence Day?
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
So,
your argument is that Rubio and Love degenerate down to the level incompetence that seems to be inflicted on the rest of the team? And this is a recipe for winning? It seems the basketball goes to those that are effective. If the rest of the team wants more ball time, they can contribute. This is like RA’s method of letting players who perform get more play time. I’m sure if he saw anything detrimental he would have a discussion with those players. Also, winning leads to good morale.
So by your logic (some notes):
Clippers: No lob city. Chris Paul and Blake Griffin – do not monopolize the ball!
Heat: You three guys, you know who you are, stop hogging the ball, the rest of the team will be miffed.
just the facts....they had a sizeable lead and lost it....darko, luke and wes weren't a part of the equation
They're the Wolves' two best players
this is kind of a weird take
Jonny "back o' chips" Flynn is the GOAT
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 15, 2012 4:43 AM CST up reply actions
Yes. And who built the sizeable lead in the first place? You noticed that the ATL run pretty much coincided with Rubio sitting right?
In fact, you know what, I’m out.
Live And Stupid From England
No, the Atlanta run occurred with Rubio in the game.
Score was tied 73-73 when he sat.
He also had three turnover during this stretch.
I love his game but you have to at least be honest about the facts.
I don't see their lack of involvement as a negative
When Luke keeps turning the ball over in the crunch, Darko keeps missing hookshots 2 feet away from the basket and the less said about Wes the better.
Rubio is immature enough to be bought off by Love's ego rather ....
then assume a neutral leadership role.
Your take
Provides an interesting perspective to consider. Having thought about it for two hours, I decided – Nope, just another dumb duckofdouche dig.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 15, 2012 5:53 AM CST up reply actions
I actually think this is sort of an interesting point (even if you're trolling)
Ricky’s got to run this team (on the court). He clearly has the judgment to do so. I hope that Love is smart and mature enough to acknowledge that and at least to defer in the moment.
Bright side:
After last night’s game, the Wolves are 14th in Hollinger’s automated Power Rankings. Their rating is 100.695 which I believe means they would be ever-so-slightly favored against the NBA’s theoretical Average Team on a neutral court.
They still have a positive points differential. I generally follow those rankings pretty closely, and I’m pretty positive I’ve never seen the Wolves above the 100 line.
Let's be honest...
Love lost this game. He s been blocked on a drive, than Ivan the Terrible scored on him, and after that Love lost a rebound and commited a foul (I DO think that was a charge but referees didnt think so).
Rubio is very, very good (and will be better)!
Wolves are one legitimate wing player away of being playoff team!
I don't think I'd blame Love too much for the loss,
When the “Wolves situation” demands so much of him. I didn’t figure out a way to see this game but it seemed that the game turned when either Love and Rubio sat down or the Hawks put more defensive pressure on Love. Love may not be a banana sandwich, but he is a foundation of unequaled substantiality. My apologies to SNP for the misuse of his analogy, but my mom made great banana sandwiches. They were made with fine bread, banana slices, real butter, peanut butter, and honey; that’s five ingredients, something the Wolves don’t have.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 15, 2012 6:11 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He scored 30 points on 29 possessions. That's below average.
Couple that with very little defense and it doesn’t look so good. And that last play had to be for Ricky. I’m sure he was to hand the ball back to Ricky and let him go. Now Love was gassed and Adelman has to take some responsibility there, but a 27 year old rookie no has ever heard of dominated Love. You people need to take off the beer goggles when evaluating Love. He’s good, but he comes up short in many ways.
That last play was bad.
But Love is being overworked. His main asset is working hard, and he has just played too many minutes. Rubio and Love need help.
by TO12 on Jan 15, 2012 8:59 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
No, adds them to the ATL scoreboard...
I’m impresed with Love’s performance, and i think he IS a very, very good player, but also, it is a fact that his two defensive mistakes gave ATL a lead. Maybe i’m pointing this out because, somehow, i’ m expecting that ALL rebounds in a crunch time, have to be Kevin’s :-)
Yeah, he wasn't good late.
But if everyone had played as well as Love tonight, the Wolves obviously win in a blowout. Oh well. Carry on.
Cheers to Love and Ricky, hope somebody else steps up or is acquired soon.
The game isn´t a scapegoat hunt.
The difference in the game is ATL with a bump in socring in the 4th. You can´t win if the rival scores 30 in the 4th, unless it´s already a blowout. Specially if the game was played at a 80ish score pace.
Love supporters- better said, fanboys- use some intelectual dishonesty:
a) This is a game of runs. AKA don´t look at the defensive end or talk about lack of execution or tired legs or whatever but slowing the pace and playing ninja basketball. That´s boring.
b) Nobody out of the golden tandem does anything. Scapegoat much.
c) Love was tired. I don´t buy it even if it has some merit. Leuer got points against him in a 1st quarter. He just isn´t that good in the D end, even if he tries at full speed, which is enough for me, but you have to realize who he is. Perfect he is not.
d)Darko sucks. Go, look the partials. Don´t talk about differentials. This team has more chances to win 90-85 than 110-105. With Love- or other option- at C the pace changes for bad. If you have the other team stuck in a really bad pace why would you propose a change?
e) There is some legend that Rubio has to run to be good. False. Rubio will get advantage of the open court but he can play half court sets, too. A legit C is needed and for the money Darko is a good proposition.
f) Really, Am I the only one who see the rival getting everything when Darko sits?
Hi there!!!
It hurts, it hurts me guys… I’m a spaniard new Wolves fan and after 12 games i have to say that this team dont have talent (except Love and Ricky of course). No other player can hit a shoot or create something other than this two guys. This season its going to be painfull… less than last year but painfull anyway.
I dont understand why an NBA team has such a terrible guys in the team, they are not even worth to play in good teams in Europe. I know that the NBA are diferent than Europe, where you can fired a player anytime and sign another, no salary cap, etc… so it’s not easy to change players in the NBA, I get it… but Wolves managers has to do something IMO.
I dont mean disrespect and maybe I’m beeing too hard on them, but damn… It hurts a lot watching til 4 AM a game where some players try to do things that they are not capable of… always the same, every game making bad decisions. Someone has to teach them that they are limited and that they have to do just what they are capable of. When you try to do things that you can’t do… your gonna fail for sure. I hope Adelman will do that.
I’m not asking for Lebron, Wade or guys like that… just players that can shoot with confidence and don’t make poor decisions.
Sorry for my bad english, I hope I express myself clearly. This board it’s awesome, my painfull drifting til 4-5am it’s way better when I’m reading you guys.
welcome to the last 7 years of wolves fandom
ps- this (now) is the good part!
"I don't understand why an NBA team has such a terrible guys in the team..."
The Wolves Fan Lament.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 15, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
On the final 2 minutes .....
…. Love was not good. Ivan out played him offensively and defensively. I know CH loves Love, for good reason, but did anyone else think he just stunk in the last two minutes? He made a weak drove left and was stuffed. He didn’t box out defensively. He turned the ball over in the post. He was works by Ivan when Ivan drove left. And he fumbled the inbounds pass at the end.
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by PJS on Jan 15, 2012 7:23 AM CST via mobile reply actions
This entire thread is filled with people saying that Love was bad in the final two minutes
and generally complaining that CHers are too easy on Love.
The problem, of course, is that the reason most CHers don’t complain about Love is that, within the hierarchy of Wolves’ problems, his play both last night and this season doesn’t even begin to register. We’ve got much bigger problems.
Last night we were on the wrong side of a 40/51 rebound differential and a 12/27 FTA differential. Those problems certainly weren’t on Love (13 boards and 6 FTAs). They were on players like Wes (0 FTAs in 23 minutes), Darko (2 rebounds in 15 minutes from the C position), who also were incredibly inefficient (4 points on 10 shots combined). In other words, the main culprits remained non-Love/Rubio players.
by WolvesFan03 on Jan 15, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 13 recs
Spot on and Rec'd.
Look at 3/5ths of the starting lineup:
Ridnour – A competent back-up PG who starts at the 2. Decent player who too often tries to (or believes that he can) do things that are beyond his capacity.
Wes and Darko – Two guys who basically seem incapable of consistently performing to even the bare minimum level of their talents.
The bench? Meh.
Look, I understand that we all have our gripes and opinions. Each of us has our favorite players and each of them have their weaknesses. But, the fact that we have been competitive in every game – and that after 12 games we are 1/4 of the way to our average # of victories over the last two seasons (Ugh!) – is a testament to the talents of Love, Rubio and Rick Adelman. So, let’s make sure that we take deep breaths and focus on the curing the disease instead of nitpicking the symptoms.
"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson
However we (me too) said the same about Big Al.
One year later, with talent around, he got some accomplishments:
- A HoF coach to retire.
-A franchise player to run as fast as he could.
-A perennial playoff team now gets lotto tickets.
For the record, he was a legit All-Star snub here. And he also sent good signal in his D for awhile. It didn´t last, it usually doesn´t last for challenged bigs specially if they are used to use shortcuts or cheats in D. So things are a lil´more complex, IMO.
Another factor
that keeps getting overlooked was the mugging we took at Atlanta’s hands in the paint. It was a rough game both ways but we only shot 12 free throws all night.
TWELVE.
Atlanta took 27. It’s really not fair to blame Love for gassing out after the beating he took. Ivan Johnson didn’t outplay him so much as foul the crap out of him. If Pek had played like Ivan Johnson, he’d be missing the Sacramento game as part of his 5-game suspension.
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To be fair, the guy was gassed. He needs rest. He can't keep playing these minutes.
But yes, he looked poor. Actually, the whole fourth quarter.
Here's what RR said in Strib and he is right
“It’s our fault,” Rubio said. “We were up 17, 18. They did different zone. We blocked up. We just stopped running when they did the zone. We stopped scoring. When you are 18 up, you have to control more of the game. We have to learn that.”
ATL tried something new, got some momentum, and the Wolves couldn’t adjust or handle it until too late.
I get that teams will have runs, but that was sad.
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I don't usually put much stock in plus/minus,
but one thing that jumps out of the PopcornMachine GameFlow is that Atlanta’s runs all happened when Darko and Pek were sitting. We were +18 with one of them on the court and -20 with both of the sitting. I don’t know what to make of that, especially since Pek’s defense doesn’t jump off the screen as being awesome. It was nice to see his post play on offense, though. He’s a big dude.
Other notes:
Rubio and Love had a TS% of 0.539 and the rest of the team had a 0.470. In the big picture, it’s pretty clear that those guys need some help.
The team needs to learn how to close out games. Ridnour’s late turnover was a pass he didn’t need to make; and Love’s drive to the basket isn’t really his game.
We could have been up 20 early if Wes had been hitting his shots. He had a great highlight reel dunk on the alley-oop, but Rubio set him up for a lot of good looks.
The shooting has been in the dumpster for the past few games
The TS% was the first thing that jumped out at me. The league average is 52.4%. The production gap is also creeping into pretty much everything else, especially when you consider matchups and position.
Yeah, it's a bummer that Randolph and Williams
have both fallen off a bit. We need at least one of them to play well. Ellington hit some nice shots in the fourth quarter, but that’s not something we can count on.
Having a single elite skill helps (hooray Ricky and Love!)...
….and even if Williams and Randolph produce well, I think we have reached PF critical mass. They will eventually have to flip Williams.
by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 15, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This!!!!
I like Williams, but he’s a 4. He doesn’t help our team the way he should. He’s stuck behind one of the best PFs on the planet. We have other back up options at PF. He’s a potential stud rookie at one of the two positions we don’t need help. Flip him for his own development and the sake of the team. He should be getting heavy minutes. He shouldn’t be taking any of Love’s minutes. These don’t co-exist.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Again
their bigs were physically molesting us in the paint. Darko and Pek are much harder to hammer on than Love and Tolliver.
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I'd argue that free throws show that started as early as Milwaukee. It's just not officiated the same every night.
If Love’s shooting more than 10 FTA’s the zebras are calling things. If they don’t he’s probably still taking a beating.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

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