Wolves 2012 1st round draft status
The 2012 NBA draft has, for nearly two years now, been pronounced a draft full of talent primarily due to the expectation, then reality, that a number of top college players would avoid the risk associated with an NBA lockout and stay in school one more year. This proved true to an extent that's not fully determined, but certainly some of the collegiate stars of 2010-11 (Barnes, Jones, Sullinger) stayed in school, as did a number of players with first round potential who will definitely improve their stock, if not their draft position (P. Young, D. Lamb, T. Jones, T. Ross).
Meanwhile, and stop me if you've heard this one, our beloved Timberpups and fearless former leader Kevin McHale dealt away their own 2012 1st round draft choice to the Clippers, a draft choice which is almost certainly be a top 12 pick. We all know it will actually be a top three pick, but that's another story. Our POBO David Kahn tried to mitigate the effect of "Clippergeddon" by selling Big Al Jefferson to Utah for two heavily protected first round draft picks.
The first of these picks (originally a Memphis pick) was "used" last year and netted the Wolves Malcolm Lee, another heavily protected 1st rounder (first potential use=2013), and possibly Rick Adelman. For those who are so biased against Kahn they refuse to see anything he does as good, this was probably good. Unless, of course, Marshon Brooks turns into a star and the Wolves would have gotten Adelman anyway.
The second of the picks from Utah was their own pick protected currently through the fourteenth selection of the 2012 draft. If not transferred this year, the pick is top 12 protected in 2013, and in 2014, if the pick is still not transferred to the Wolves, our favorite team has the right to swap its first rounder with Utah's first rounder, as long as Utah's is not a top 9 pick. If Utah's first round pick is not transferred according to one of the above scenarios, Minnesota gets stuck with Utah 2nd round draft choice in 2014 and that part of the Big Al deal is completed, as far as Utah is concerned.
I thought periodically we might look at how our pick is looking both in terms of the likelihood it transfers to the Wolves in 2012 and who might be available. Updated standings are below the break. Remember that Utah needs to finish 9th-15th place in the West for the Wolves to get the draft pick.
Current standing the morning of 1/16/12:
Western Conference Standings
Southwest W L Pct GB Home Road Div Conf Streak L10
San Antonio 9 4 .692 -- 9-0 0-4 3-1 9-3 Won 3 7-3
Dallas 8 5 .615 1.0 6-2 2-3 1-1 4-4 Won 5 8-2
Memphis 5 6 .455 3.0 4-2 1-4 2-1 4-5 Won 2 5-5
Houston 5 7 .417 3.5 4-1 1-6 1-2 3-6 Won 2 4-6
New Orleans 3 9 .250 5.5 1-5 2-4 0-2 2-8 Lost 3 1-9
Northwest W L Pct GB Home Road Div Conf Streak L10
Oklahoma City 11 2 .846 -- 6-1 5-1 1-1 9-2 Won 6 8-2
Utah 8 4 .667 2.5 6-1 2-3 1-1 4-4 Won 2 8-2
Denver 8 5 .615 3.0 6-2 2-3 1-2 5-5 Lost 1 6-4
Portland 7 5 .583 3.5 6-1 1-4 2-0 5-4 Lost 3 5-5
Minnesota 4 8 .333 6.5 2-5 2-3 0-1 3-2 Lost 1 4-6
Pacific W L Pct GB Home Road Div Conf Streak L10
LA Clippers 6 3 .667 0.5 5-1 1-2 2-0 4-2 Won 2 6-3
LA Lakers 9 5 .643 -- 8-1 1-4 2-2 7-4 Lost 1 7-3
Phoenix 4 8 .333 4.0 3-4 1-4 1-1 3-5 Lost 4 4-6
Golden State 4 8 .333 4.0 3-4 1-4 0-3 0-5 Won 1 3-7
Sacramento 4 9 .308 4.5 3-3 1-6 1-0 2-5 Lost 2 3-7
Currently Utah has the best record among non-division leaders, but it's obviously early. Still, if the draft were held today, the Wolves would get Utah's pick. Unfortunately, as of today, it would be a late pick. The good news and bad new both is that Utah isn't likely to be fighting it out for a top playoff seed. If the Jazz make the playoffs, it almost certainly will be as a very low seed. The flip side of this is that they might not make the playoffs at all, thereby retaining the pick in this very quality draft year.
Coming into this season, LAL, OKC, SAS, Denver, and Dallas were considered locks to make the playoffs yet again. The Clippers locked in with the Chris Paul acquisition, and Portland and Memphis were considered very likely to make the playoffs. The rest of the teams in the West were largely considered afterthoughts, with respect to the playoffs. Here's where a cogent quantitative analysis would come in handy, so I apologize for not providing one. What follows is a my subjective take based on having watched early season action.
First, barring crippling injuries, LAL, OKC, and Denver are still locks. San Antonio continues to amaze, even without Manu. I'd like to say they're vulnerable, but the players just don't know how to not win. Popovich is a helluva coach. The Clippers appear to be living up to the hype, and so, in my mind, five playoff teams are set. For the Jazz to make the playoffs, they will have to beat out one of Memphis, Dallas, and Portland.
If I had to vote which team would be left out at this point, it would still be the Jazz, but all three other contenders have weaknesses. Memphis is hurt by the loss of Randolph, Dallas is not as good this year as they both age and suffer from the attrition of the offseason. Portland has been inconsistent. While Memphis is currently under .500, the Grizzlies are only 2.5 games behind Utah, and Dallas/Portland is closer. Personally, I'm cheering every Utah win and each loss from the other three. I put Utah at a very subjective 30% chance of making the playoffs and allowing the Wolves to have a 1st round pick this year.
So who is out there to help out our Wolves if they get Utah's pick in 2012? Wolfen has a nice piece on Terrence Ross of Washington, and the following are the mock draft choices I've seen (note, some are specified as Wolves' picks, some are the first wing after the lottery):
NBAdraft.net: #19 Doron Lamb, Kentucky so. (Wolves-specific)
Hoopsworld.com: #19 Terrence Ross, Washington so.
NBA-Draft.com: #19 Meyers Leonard, Illinois (Wolves-specific)
DraftExpress.com: #18 Austin Rivers, Duke
HoopAddict.com: #15 Terrance Jones, #16 Quincy Miller, #18 LeBryan Nash
30 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Tired of the draft crapshoot
I’m not sure the Wolves have ever drafted a good player outside the lottery in their history as a franchise. I have no reason to believe they will now.
My hope is that they either make a deadline trade or clear enough cap space this offseason to make a run at one of the restricted free agents, like Batum or Gallinari. I view our first rounder more as trade currency.
Gallinari
I think he’s close to extension with DEN or at least they’re in talks.
by Jordan Seiffert on Jan 16, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
Neither of those teams will let those guys walk
So that kinda ruins that plan.
So Portland
is going to spend a bunch of money on both Wallace and Batum? They don’t have a long-term Center solution (Camby and Thomas are older than dirt) and they are a little balky at PG. I would think their priority would be to re-sign Wallace and then allocate their cap space toward a free agent Center.
by Rascal Flatts on Jan 16, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
This is where Kahn should step in and turn up the heat
by Rascal Flatts on Jan 16, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
the idea of trading Williams made me cringe
sadly, however, you are probably correct.
Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.
(I am sad the wolves are in this situation, NOT that SnP is correct :)
Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.
You're just getting resentful
over the emails telling us what to think here on CH. I see what you’re up to.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 1:20 AM CST up reply actions
meh
I’m of the opinion we should hire Bogans, trade some “potential” to NO for Okafor and just make the damn playoffs ourselves. If Martel can play the 3 great, but try to swing a trade for Iggy/Batum/Dudley/anyone but Beas so we have some depth (hell just bite the bullet and let DWill be our starting SF). At the very least, it’s time to let some D-League guys tryout for our 2/3 spots.
Addendum
watch our games, we are running Rubio + Love into the ground and giving a ton of burn to our defensive swiss army knife Tolliver. Ridnour and DWill produce when the stars align and Darko on a blue moon. Johnson should never ever see the floor, Randolph is the most hot and cold guy I’ve seen since Beasley showed up but at least he knows how to play pnr ball with a good PG.
The thing is some of these moves are so damn simple and obvious that I cannot comprehend why we haven’t done anything
1. Sign Bogans, do number 2 first if you must to get an open roster spot
2. Trade Amnest Johnson immediately
3. rejoice we now have 3 competent players.
4. Amnest or trade someone else then let DLeaguers + Martel have live tryouts for our 3/5 spots. Pecking order can be Randolph/Darko/everyone else at the 5 and Martel/Tolliver/anyone else at the 3.
5. Find a sucker to take Beasley/Johnson/Darko and give us a useful player. Okafur is the first guy I would target but you can fill in your own fantasy trade here.
Sadly most of those things are to obvious to ever be done by the Wolves.
I wouldn’t amnesty Johnson, simply because I’m sure someone would give up something for him. Even if it is just a second round pick.
Brad beal is the guy to get
Terrance Ross I think would be a horrendous pick as he basically reminds me of Wes Johnson
Beal will surely go to a team in the 8-13 range but I would absolutely make a package for him
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 16, 2012 1:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I initially thought the same thing
But I think its more about Wes not knowing how to play basketball than anything with player type. This kid is younger and seems to be a lot more agressive. Unfortunatley I dont think were even gonna have a snowballs chance in hell at either Beal or Ross
by WolvesBigTicket on Jan 16, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
Go for the best prospect in college basketball...
I am conductor of the KCP hype train until someone explains to me why he isn’t a consensus top-5 pick.
Touche...
look at these numbers…
He is a long-winged 6’6 18 year old shooting-guard. He is currently putting up over 20 point, 7 rebounds and 2.5 steals per 40pa in the SEC. He is capable of putting up highlights like that one. In a class filled with super-freshmen guards, he is putting up the gaudiest numbers…. and he is somehow on absolutely nobodies radar.
DX has him ranked as the 15th best prospect among freshmen. NBA draft.net has him as the 71st best prospect. Neither site has any information on him. A google search reveals effectively nothing about him. Looking at the numbers, he guy should be a top 5 pick without question, yet as things now, he probably won’t declare due to lack of interest.
I demand answers.
Yeah, it's is a little strange. I cannot meet your demands.
Have you checked out Branden Dawson’s numbers? They’re surprisingly good, compared to what I would have expected from watching Michigan State games. He definitely has a pro body as a freshman, but doesn’t always look like he knows what to do. But his numbers show some pretty efficient offense. DX compared him to Kahwi Leonard.
I like...
Can’t go wrong with long, efficient, and reboundy.
But at least I can see why Dawson isn’t getting talked about as a top pick (legitimately or not)…. low usage and limited scoring volume. That is what gets me with KCP. He is the kind of prospect that normally gets drooled over. Leading his team in points as a freshman and getting highlights (or at least an awesome one). Hell, his length and shooting style even reminds me of Durant.
My best guess is that “team performance” is what’s holding back recognition.
I don't know whether it helps, but
here’s what an ESPN scout wrote about KCP last April (he was ranked the 24th overall prospect, 6th at his position, and 1st in the state):
Strengths:
As one of the top shooters in the 2011 class, Caldwell-Pope, who has good size for his position, has a big-time stroke from deep range and big-time confidence to match. He is creative offensively; with his ability to play at different speeds and score effectively against man, zone and in transition, he consistently stretches the defense and opens up driving lanes for teammates. He has the ability to create his own shot off the dribble, but also has good court vision and can find teammates for scoring opportunities. He is also an excellent defender with sound fundamentals and court awareness that is unselfish and a winner.
Weaknesses:
Although Caldwell-Pope has a smooth game that is well rounded and plays at a controlled pace, because he shoots a high volume of 3-point shots it will be imperative for him to develop his ball handling skills versus quicker athletes. At the collegiate level he will be scouted as a shooter and forced to create more off the dribble. The ability to consistently get to the rim or hit the pull up jumper versus bigger and faster athletes will go a long way in making him a difficult match-up on the perimeter. It will also help him get to the free throw line more often where he can be deadly.
Bottom Line:
The State of Georgia has its share of elite level shooting guards and Caldwell-Pope has quietly elevated himself to the top of the list with his consistent ability to score against any type of defense. The Bulldogs locked up a gem that could signal the turning point for Head Coach Mark Fox’s ability to attract elite players to the Athens campus.
Thanks...
sounds consistent with what I saw in the few youtube videos available…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMayMkLWYSQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g__GhdxhbWM&feature=related
It may just be his body type, but the guy really does remind me of Durant.
I love three name players too
I can’t wait to burn KCP into the ground
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Damn.
He dunked so hard he hurt himself!
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 1:22 AM CST up reply actions
Suggestion...
Canis Hoopus needs a widget that appears on the side panel of every page. Kind of a status widget. Something simple. With info like:
Playoff Status (gives current seed or # games out of contention, status in the west)
Draft Status (give current draft position)
Draft Extras (in this case would give info on if we would have “owed” picks like Utah’s)
etc.

by 


















