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Adjustments!!!

OK, first of all, I'm sorry for the Dave Navarro commercials that currently pollute this site. I understand that Ink Police or whatever the f**k it is called has paid a lot of money to support SB Nation, but I'm sorry. Almost as sorry as Carmen Electra, who had to pretend that this talentless a-hole was someone worthy enough to hitch a ride to.

That being said, watch Comedy Central's Ink Destroyers!!! I hear it is the best new show of the year.

Anywho...

OK, remember last year? Remember watching Kurt Rambis worry his silly little head about what those nasty other teams might do to his little squad of junior puppies? What can be done? Can the little doggies change what they are doing? Fret no longer!

This season, Our Beloved Puppies are led by someone who is actually capable of...wait for it...in-game adjustments!!!

In the first half of tonight's matchup, the good guys were having trouble dealing with the long and athletic Kings getting into the lane and grabbing rebounds. In the second half, this problem disappeared, thanks to the coaching staff's insistance that giving up a short bunny was preferable to gambling and...well, it really is amazing to have a coach who actually watches the games, determines what needs to happen next, and...

That's all I have tonight. It was a night-and-day difference between the first and second halves, and it was so because of coaching. Luke Ridnour wins the Player of the Night award, with second place going to David Brauer for describing the Kings in a single tweet.

Where do we go now? Will Martell become the slightly less than terrible but still better than absolutely terrible wing player we have been clamoring for all along?

We'll just have to wait and see.

In the mean time...

Until later.

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..Pek needs a nickanme. I suggest “barfight”.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 16, 2012 11:24 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I like it.

What a funny player. If Pekovic were better, and both teams were more relevant, Pek-DMC would be a fun rivalry.

www.punchdrunkwolves.com
@PDWolves

by Andy G on Jan 16, 2012 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Pek-DMC rivalry

would not be fun for DMC.

Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way

by Flagrant on Jan 17, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah,

I thought the Balkan Bulldozer was pretty well established at this point. But what do I know? Maybe the majority has been groaning over that for the last year and a half.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 16, 2012 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

How often do you hear it?

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 2:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Since I'm mentally challenged

I have to read out loud everything.

Now that was a queen sacrifice to save the day.

by Keelhaul on Jan 17, 2012 5:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I like the bulldozer, but you know what I like even more? Just PEK. You don't mess with a guy named Pek.

Also, I nominate this as Pek comment of the month (made by monkeywolf after Pek sort of knocked down/cut under DMC)

add him to the pile of bones under his mighty sword

Jonny "bag o' chips" Flynn is the GOAT

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 16, 2012 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

you know on Pek's back

is a tattoo of the character sheet for his paladin?

"Can someone please help me out, who did wolves pick, doesnt look too positive around here"

by Rasho Revolution on Jan 17, 2012 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I bet

both his STR and CON are 18.

CHA is 35 at least.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 12:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I prefer Fallout perks

Bloody messBy some strange twist of fate, people around you die violently. You always see the worst way a person can die.
BruiserA little slower, but a little bigger. You may not hit as often, but they will feel it when you do!” Except that Pek hits just as often if not oftener! Ha!

by Keelhaul on Jan 17, 2012 2:28 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Why does it have to be limited to one? I like them all. I used "The Bouncer" last night.

I like creativity. Whatever your mind suggests to you at the moment, use it. A guy like that isn’t defined by one adjectival nick. Knuckles, Bam-Bam, and yje “B.B.” are all cool and fit the guy.
How about “Mr. 3 Seconds”?

by 1922 on Jan 17, 2012 4:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I like "The Bouncer"

Tough name with a basketball double meaning.

Check out Humdinger TV on YouTube.
http://twitter.com/HumdingerTV

by HumdingerTV on Jan 17, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm still a fan of what the organization is running with...

The Godfather. Along with the picture and music, it’s a home run!

I watch this team, and i care so much, simply because i can’t not. It’s just a part of who i am..

by Love4MVP on Jan 17, 2012 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

When I was in A-Stan

We were forced to “integrate” with spetsnaz soldiers as part of our International outreach program. The Georgians and the locals had nicknames for myself and my section sergeant. The locals called me “Drago” (Because I am 6’3" and 230Lbs – in reference to Rocky IV) and called my Sergeant “McClain” since he was a dead ringer for Bruce Willis.

The moral of the story is that I told the villagers “Ivan Drago plays for the Minnesota Timberwolves and his name is ‘Pekovic’, remember that name.”

True story; I’m just doing my part to market our team internationally.

I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.

by ArchAngel79 on Jan 17, 2012 12:45 AM CST up reply actions  

That's awesome.

I am Nikola Pekovic. I must break you.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 12:46 AM CST up reply actions  

You will lose

I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.

by ArchAngel79 on Jan 17, 2012 12:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but then

Pek treated Cousins like Drago treated Creed.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 12:48 AM CST up reply actions  

IT'S AN EXHIBITION!!!

I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.

by ArchAngel79 on Jan 17, 2012 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

It used to give me goose bumps

when I would watch this.

Now it makes me laugh because I think of an analogous scene from one of the best movies ever.

Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.

by nodnarb on Jan 17, 2012 12:58 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I will rec any Baseketball reference

That song is a classic.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 17, 2012 1:03 AM CST up reply actions  

You sir

have excellent taste.

Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.

by nodnarb on Jan 17, 2012 1:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I saw BASEketball in the theater.

I’m still not sure how I feel about that.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 1:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow

I’ve seen that movie last December for the first time. We had a movie night, watched the following masterpieces in that order:
Torrente 3 ‘El Protector’ – insane hungarian dubs, I have a feeling that it is terrible in english
Ace Ventura 2 – insane hungarian dubs
Ford Fairlane – insane hungarian dubs again (I also feel that this might be an extremely simple and vulgar movie in english)
Dude, where’s my car? – turrible
BASEketball – I don’t have the words to express what I feel about it.

I guess it all depends on the dubs. I really like the English/American language(s), but being ornately vulgar is a) not one of their fortes b) is not an easily accessible feature of the language. We eastern european people really know how to curse. You have to do something while not being very productive.

by Keelhaul on Jan 17, 2012 6:03 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I was really drunk when I saw that

and the movie was still retarded. I don’t know why but some over the top comedy bits work and some don’t, Baseketball didn’t. Then again my wife caught me watching Laurel and Hardy the other day so I can hardly be said to have good taste.

by zebano on Jan 17, 2012 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Laurel and Hardy is genius.

Live And Stupid From England

by JonesTheCat on Jan 17, 2012 8:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Strikes me more as the Juggernaut

Once he starts moving Im not sure he can be stopped.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 17, 2012 8:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I played in a town league in Pyongtek....

…as a 6 foot center. I earned the name The Admiral a’la David Robinson. Basketball works its way around the globe ;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 17, 2012 12:48 AM CST up reply actions  

That is good stuff

A former Air Force guy that gets the nickname of “Admiral” SNP haha. You are right about something…

I have been all over this world and no matter where I go children love basketball. We live in a world that divides us along so many lines and when you find children suffering, there is no politics, no country, no laws, only your conscience to do what you feel is right.

I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.

by ArchAngel79 on Jan 17, 2012 1:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I apologize

I didn’t mean to stand on a soapbox. I have seen too much suffering and it makes me very sad. I thank everyone on CH for giving me a diversion, a way to keep my sanity.

I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.

by ArchAngel79 on Jan 17, 2012 1:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I feel the same way.

I haven’t seen the craziness you have recently, but this site is a great place to just be guys and goof around about basketball. Sometimes the soapboxes sneak up underneath us.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 1:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank you Jason

As much as I have a tough time dealing with life back here until my next deployment, at least I have my Timberwolves basketball and CH to tide me over while I am gone. Aaaaah the little things in life

I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.

by ArchAngel79 on Jan 17, 2012 1:27 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You already know your next deployment?

How long do you have here before you have to go back?

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 1:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes

This summer

I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.

by ArchAngel79 on Jan 17, 2012 1:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow.

Is this something you feel good about? Not in a “Am I doing the right thing” sense, but more like a “Is this what I want to do with my life?” thing.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 1:38 AM CST up reply actions  

The answer to your question is complicated

We receive our orders, over and over again to try and pacify an indigenous population that is overtly hostile to us and our way of life. There will be no peace here. I fought in the mountains, in the caves for 3 years, I have sat at campfires with the Taliban. There is no victory possible, we simply lack the willpower to do what is needed to win the “War on Terror”.

In answer to your question: I am fought out, I am worn out. Let me have peace. I would like to visit Minneapolis to see Timberwolves games occasionally. If any of you would like to maybe catch a game with me let me know.

I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.

by ArchAngel79 on Jan 17, 2012 2:38 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

No shit that's complicated.

We should have a Hoopus Night between now and summer. Maybe more than one. I’d love to buy you a ticket or a drink. Or both.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 2:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank you sir

I would like that very much, just to see a game. However, I am very “socially awkward” because of the anxiety I have accrued while abroad.

I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.

by ArchAngel79 on Jan 17, 2012 3:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Good luck, sir

Some of us see more shit than we should. It’s easy to get overwhelmed sometimes. Or lose faith in humanity. I’m a member of the press and I have met some of your kind. I don’t know about you, but the “awkwardness” you describe is not generally a problem for the rest of us.

All I can say is that you have my support. I think we ask a lot of you guys. I am glad you are on CH and hope you will get through everything fine. Good luck on your next deployment. If you meet some Norwegians over there, ask for aquavit and a beer. Tell them you deserve it.

by lurifax on Jan 17, 2012 5:23 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I appreciate your kind words

I would very much like to meet some Norwegians but where I am going there are only a few Americans, some Hajjis and a lot of African desert.

I cannot describe the feeling of war wariness, only when it is hot, I still felt very cold. We could never get warm, ever.

Ech, sorry guys. Gloom and doom is not appropriate after our Wolves won.

I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.

by ArchAngel79 on Jan 17, 2012 5:43 AM CST up reply actions  

On the other hand...

…digressions like this makes CH interesting!

by lurifax on Jan 17, 2012 6:52 AM CST up reply actions  

In 2003 I was writing for City Pages

and digging up links to antiwar articles. The case against going into Afghanistan, “the graveyard of empires,” was even stronger than the case against finding WMDs in Iraq. I bitterly opposed this war but having said that I do have enormous respect for all those who served and especially those still serving in Afghanistan. It’s a hard country filled with some of the most stubborn people on this planet (because you have to be insanely stubborn to stay in such an isolated shithole).

Never think that those who oppose war oppose the warriors. In saner times you guys are all that stand between us and war. I hope Obama eventually makes good on his campaign rhetoric and brings you all home for good but in the meantime you have my respect and I hope your future tours of duty are boring as all hell.

Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!

by TMiss on Jan 17, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

"Never think that those who oppose war oppose the warriors."

It can’t be said much better than that.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I know that is true

Yet still I have been called names by some fringe Left/Occupy types.

I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.

by ArchAngel79 on Jan 23, 2012 4:54 AM CST up reply actions  

What is really weird....

….is that I deployed in OEF when my daughter was 3. She is about to turn 14. She will likely be able to serve in the same war her dad served in.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Unprecedented

in US history, and completely wrong.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 1:09 AM CST up reply actions  

But,

I guess I have to admit that it took me three years into a six-year enlistment to realize that I was a pacifist.

I was active Navy the night the US bombed Baghdad in 1991. They announced the bombing on the TVs in the club on base and everyone was cheering.

I didn’t get that. And about then I realized that I couldn’t enact violence on other people. The rest of my enlistment was (luckily) served without incident.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 1:13 AM CST up reply actions  

It gets better over time and with help

Don’t try and deal with it on your own, That is the worst thing you can do. Your deployment orders are good for free health care at the VA. Anxiety is an injury and there is nothing wrong with that. I’ve been going to the Mpls VA since 04 and it has been a life saver.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 17, 2012 7:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Seconded.

I’ve been getting counseling through a program called CORE (partnership between the VA and Lutheran Social Services) and it’s been a lifesaver. Literally.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

My sister and I were talking about this last night.

We ticked off the list of people and situations we knew where some sort of “counseling” had been involved.

There were some truly crap examples on our list. One acquaintance of mine called a place near Chicago that was diagnosing a lot of “multiple personality disorder” cases on religious grounds as a large-scale insurance scam; they “diagnosed” her with it based on a single phone call.

The weird part of the conversation was that even then, with what amounted to an almost actively abusive organization, the experience was not wholly negative. And for most of the examples we could think of, with great therapists or so-so ones…. Counseling worked. My sister’s kid was already sort of “troubled” even as a young kid, and when his dad left he looked like he might go off the rails as he became a teen. Counseling…. He’s got his problems, isn’t much of a student, but dang if the kid’s not awfully well adjusted. You’d never have said it, when he was 12.

On some level it seems like having the guts to ask for help is a huge share of what needs to happen….

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 17, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

LSS is great for vets in MN

Guard members on Title 10 can get free counseling.

Follow @canishoopus

by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 17, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for this info...

… my friend is still trying to figure out life back on this side of the ocean – including the social awkwardness among other things (hasn’t been to a movie in 6-7 years), and I don’t have the tools/experience to know what to say to him.

by Boss10 on Jan 17, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm in.

I’m in. My wife and I were thinking of going to the Rockets game on Feb 2nd.

"Only God is an expert, Ernie."

by MNPhatz on Jan 17, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

We should all wear name tags

A CH pick league would be awesome cause we could all ball with our ID names as our court names :-p

I work at a church with a gym…just saying

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm down for that.

Where is the church?

"Only God is an expert, Ernie."

by MNPhatz on Jan 17, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Same here

I’d play. Make another post inviting us…

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 18, 2012 12:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Mahtomedi

I’ll talk with some scheduling people and see what is available and then make a post with some dates/times

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 18, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

An Army Ranger sniper sat down next to me in a generic business lobby a while back.

He was going off on his severalth deployment…. I forget how many it was. We talked about the animals he ran into there. The spiders. Coyotes, I think, howling at night?

Kid was almost relieved to be going back.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 17, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

camel spiders

(google away)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 17, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Nickbrothers

My nickname from college is Drago. My first name (in real life) is sort of the same as his (Ivan) and I do a pretty good impression of his voice. I am 6’6 and nordic, so there’s a slight similarity. I do not want to be put opposite of Pek in a ring. (Or a trained soldier, like yourself, for that matter.) I’ll settle for the bench yelling “Drago” when i rebound.

by lurifax on Jan 17, 2012 5:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Well you are a bit taller than me

That’s cool that you have the same nickname “Drago”. Honestly I don’t look like Dolph in Rocky IV but my mannerisms have given my that nickname among my unit (I don’t view that as a compliment lol).

I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.

by ArchAngel79 on Jan 23, 2012 4:16 AM CST up reply actions  

"the Mountain"

aka. the giant bad guy from “Game of Thrones.”

“Hodor” was also suggested.

by davechisholm on Jan 17, 2012 7:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Not Hodor

some respect for our Balkan bruiser, please!

Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!

by TMiss on Jan 17, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Non (From the planet Krypton)

Rubios - "Clinically PROVEN to Help Reduce Suckiness"

by PoohRubio on Jan 17, 2012 8:01 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

NON!!!

Hell yeah! That is Pek right there! I only remember Zod’s name, for obvious reasons.

Kneel before Pek, suckaz!

"Only God is an expert, Ernie."

by MNPhatz on Jan 17, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

I mean Non

Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way

by Flagrant on Jan 17, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

After reading Malastare report card

I’m wondering if instead of Pek boxing out the bear, he may actually be THE BEAR.

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 17, 2012 7:28 PM CST up reply actions  

You thought it was an okay post to say runnerup for player of the game was the Absence of Beasley?

How about against Atlanta, was he the runnerup for player of the game then? Or Toronto?

There’s a correct way to criticize Beasley, and then there’s over-the-top criticism that makes no sense and only makes me think people had their minds made up about him before he got here.

We could most definitely use him right now, if only for depth.

by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

It's going to be so interesting to see Adelman fold Beasley back into the rotation.

God I love watching teams over time, when it seems like someone in charge has a clue.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 17, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Bet on him bringing back Beasley as a sixth man

not necessarily permanently, but to ease him back iton the lineup.

Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!

by TMiss on Jan 17, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Seems obvious, and somewhere we've seen it floated already.

The huge novelty for me in considering the situation is that I trust our head coach enough to handle delicate situations like this. The feeling is still pretty unfamiliar.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 17, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Humor, bro

Jonny "bag o' chips" Flynn is the GOAT

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 17, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

So?

Who cares, it was funny.

by TO12 on Jan 17, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I cared. Not gonna let the board s#%@ on Beasley for no reason.

And I didn’t particularly find it funny. It was just a typical “Beasley sucks” post that makes no sense after that game.

by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 17, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I found it...

witty.. and I agree. Beasley is a good player… if you don’t value ball movement. we do. so…

by bringbackbrewer on Jan 17, 2012 12:12 PM CST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

Yup, I don't value ball movement. Totally.

Of course, I’ve also noticed Beasley making a concerted effort to improve his passing, and defense, so…

by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 17, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand you're pissed and all

but I’m genuinely concerned about what happens if the Wolves try to trade for a #2; what if the other team makes us toss in Absence of Beasley or the trade is scuttled?

makes my palms sweat just thinking of it…

by daaje on Jan 17, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

If we can get a starting-caliber 2 for Beasley, I'm for it.

We can’t, though.

‘toss in the absence of beasley’…..so, they wouldn’t want beasley in the trade?

by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 17, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

No no no

See, they would take Beasley as sort of a salary dump so they can acquire the ultimate prize, Absence of Beasley.

I wouldn’t do it though. While moving Beas for a 2 is a good idea, I just don’t think this team can part with Absence of Beasley right now.

by TO12 on Jan 17, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

No one is rooting for Beas to fail. That would make no sense at all.

He is just getting crap the way all of the players do here on CH (and other blogs and medias) when they’re not performing well. When Beas is out of the game the offense flows better. Beas has been out, team has some success. Of course people are going to say stuff!

I don’t see the problem.

Jonny "bag o' chips" Flynn is the GOAT

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 17, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

as the OP

…I think you’re ascribing motives to me that just aren’t there in a one-off joke about a 39.4% shooter.

"Can someone please help me out, who did wolves pick, doesnt look too positive around here"

by Rasho Revolution on Jan 17, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd

I’m all for letting Adelman work on these guys for this year (if we swing a great trade, that’s a bonus) and let them grow and soak up his wisdom.

To me there is no better part of sports than guys turning it around. I’m a homer that way.

by Rodman99 on Jan 17, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure, why not?

If Adelman can make Chris Webber look like he had a high BBIQ, then I’m convinced he can make pretty much our whole team look good.

by Rodman99 on Jan 17, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

That's insane

I would never root for Beas to fail. Now there are certain people I might… but anyways, not Beas.

It’s just a funny joke started in a game recap thread. I have a hard time imagining anyone who would root for a member of their favorite team to fail…

You guys are really taking this overboard.

by TO12 on Jan 17, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I myself see Beas' injury as a great learning opportunity

Think he gets to see what Adelman wants and hopefully soak it in.

by Rodman99 on Jan 17, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I would love to see Pek take Darko!'s minutes

Wayne was cold blooded tonight.
Can’t wait to see what martell can do with Rubio.
Hope DWill pulls himself out of his slump.
Luke was brilliant tonight, including a huge block.
Rubio and Love were…well, Rubio and Love.

I watch this team, and i care so much, simply because i can’t not. It’s just a part of who i am..

by Love4MVP on Jan 17, 2012 12:20 AM CST reply actions  

I Love Pek

If we could only combine Darko’s defense and Pek’s low post game into one player. My guess is Darko might start for another game or two but Pek will be getting most of the minutes against true centers.

by Vlade on Jan 17, 2012 12:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Wayne...

Was cold blooded. If we could get a steal like he did and some good Ray Allen like shots then I think we would all be overjoyed.

What I really enjoyed was the way he dribbled off picks and pulled up at the top of the key. It was actually pretty. A wolves player? shooting pretty? WTF. Its the twilight zone.

by bringbackbrewer on Jan 17, 2012 8:10 AM CST up reply actions  

In Darko's 18.2 minutes this year, Pekovic would put up around 3 1/2 fouls a game.

Just sayin’, it’s plausible. It’s not like he’d actually foul out in 18 minutes a night. It just might feel that way.

(Darko is only around 200 days older than Pekovic. Different paths.)

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by feral on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey now...

I have no real comments or explanations for what has made him popular over the past 20 years, but Jane’s Addiction was a great band. Navarro certainly has “talent” from a songwriting and guitar player standpoint. Maybe nowhere else though.

Great game tonight.

by SmallzISU on Jan 17, 2012 12:33 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I won't deny that Jane's Addiction were (are?) skilled musicians,

but the music they made couldn’t possibly overcome my hatred for Perry Farrell’s voice. It just shouldn’t exist.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 12:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Quite a few bands are defined by their lead singers

I maintain that bands like Nickleback and Creed actually contain talented musicians, but the singers are so douchey that they override anything positive about the band. Chad Kroeger and Scott Stapp have awful voices, terrible lyrics, and repulsive personalities. Their bandmates can actually play their instruments well and write decent melodies, but the singers are so awful in every way that the bands themselves end up being much worse than they would be with a decent frontman. It works to different degrees with other bands, but the point remains the same.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 17, 2012 12:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I think that's just 100% fail.

They had that one song (“Break Stuff”) that’s a pretty good weightlifting song, but everything else is putrid. I “love” their cover of “Behind Blue Eyes.” Urp.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 12:57 AM CST up reply actions  

oooh weightlifting!!!

i heard “faith” at the y the other day. limp biscuit lives!!

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 17, 2012 12:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Their bassist (Wes Borland) is actually halfway talented,

but there’s no excuse for staying in that band for so long, They were awful in every way. Continuing with my theme, though, Fred Durst was the primary reason they were an abomination.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 17, 2012 1:00 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you've hit the nail on the head here
there’s no excuse for staying in that band for so long

There is always a choice.

Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.

by nodnarb on Jan 17, 2012 1:03 AM CST up reply actions  

.

Wes was their guitarist. But yeah, the point stands. Wes in addition to their drummer and bassist were all really talented guys, but none of that matters if you can’t write a song.

You can not like Jane’s Addiction all you want, but they have a pretty important place in the timeline of music and Navarro had a lot to do with that. I think the guy seems like a total tool so I get the instant negative reaction though.

by SmallzISU on Jan 17, 2012 1:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Durst was also the reason they made Ca$h

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 7:42 AM CST up reply actions  

To be honest,

while I get the hatred of Creed (that kind of pious pretension needs to be stamped out) I never got the hatred of Nickelback. I don’t buy their CDs, and I wouldn’t choose to see them in concert, but they seem completely vanilla. Nothing even worth hating.

They’re like the hard rock version of Katy Perry. Stupid songs, but they are what they are meant to be.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 1:04 AM CST up reply actions  

.

Just formulaic more than anything. You’re right though. They just kind of are what they are. I expect whenever they’re “done” that they’ll be forgotten pretty quickly. Didn’t really do anything to push music forward. Just a popular band of the era.

by SmallzISU on Jan 17, 2012 1:15 AM CST up reply actions  

still gotta give them "Jane Says"

at least in my book that is a really powerful song that speaks to things I have and do experience

first-worst-first?

by holymackerel on Jan 17, 2012 5:40 AM CST up reply actions  

actually just watched on youtube with lyrics for the first time lol

thought it was more about drug abuse than a shitty boyfriend lol still a good song.

first-worst-first?

by holymackerel on Jan 17, 2012 5:47 AM CST up reply actions  

it is -

Sergio’s the dealer right? Gonna kick tomorrow…

by Open_Court on Jan 17, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Dearth of talent notwithstanding...

…a cougar recently hit on me by telling me I look like Dave Navarro. For my part, of course, I maintained and held out for Johnny Depp. Then let her down easy.

by Boss10 on Jan 17, 2012 12:35 AM CST reply actions  

On a similar note

One hit on me and told me I look like Steve Buschemi…..

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by erikanthony on Jan 17, 2012 3:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm sorry

Can’t win ’em all

I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.

by ArchAngel79 on Jan 17, 2012 6:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Ouch!

I’m sorry for u

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 17, 2012 7:39 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Were you wearing one of these?

He's Ricky Rubio. He’s not like anyone else.

by Facial on Jan 17, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I still can't believe

that the “see through t-shirt” was ever created. It seems to be unavailable after having been heavily discounted for awhile. At least the male version that is . . .

Leave it to American Apparel to produce the unbelievable, I guess.

He's Ricky Rubio. He’s not like anyone else.

by Facial on Jan 17, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

On a women - marvelous

On a man – creepy beyond belief.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Jan 18, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

That's one of my favorite moments from last season.

But I think at that point I was the only one (or one of just a few) really rooting for Pek.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 12:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh, count me in.

Told ya! We knew it was coming.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 17, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Me too. I liked the guy from the start.

Still hoping he puts it together. Good to see him getting minutes again.

by Tollysnipes on Jan 17, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

You and the bear . . .

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

One of the things I like about that is the fact that Luke doesn't back down, he squares straight up to Cousins.

Admittedly he knows he has Pek, a man who punches icebergs for fun, backing him up. But still, pretty gutsy for a guy giving away about 10" in height.

Live And Stupid From England

by JonesTheCat on Jan 17, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Hahahahahahaha!

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 12:46 AM CST up reply actions  

What?

Don’t tell me you don’t think Andrea Bargnani is the Spanish Dirk.

Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.

by nodnarb on Jan 17, 2012 1:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I never know with Shaq

A) He is a complete moron
B) He is a genius punking the world

I’m decided on metta. He is B. Now Shaq, I don’t know. He has outbursts of being extremely witty in a dumb way if that’s possible.

by Keelhaul on Jan 17, 2012 5:51 AM CST up reply actions  

After watching the show

it’s 2 obvious A points to shaq.

by Keelhaul on Jan 17, 2012 8:33 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That was just before

Chuck said Toronto was his favorite country. At which, Kenny and Shaq started signing the Canadian anthem.

Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way

by Flagrant on Jan 17, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Nothing will ever top Shaq and the Parthenon, of course.
On returning from a trip to Europe:
REPORTER: Shaq, did you visit the Parthenon?
SHAQ: I don’t know. I can’t really remember the names of the clubs that we went to.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 17, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't know if this means anything AT ALL but...

I sat a few rows behind Kahn and Adam Silver who sat next to to each other for about 2 q’s and a couple of other dudes who needed security sitting around them for some reason (didn’t know who they were, one was watching the officials and had a checklist for fouls…..) I’m not implying anything, but hoping they were discussing several hundred trade options for SG or C. Maybe a wes for Vashon Lenard trade?

by AndrePatterson on Jan 17, 2012 12:48 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Wow.

Rec’d for the Voshon reference. Damn. Forgot about him.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Those Clem Haskins years cause me pain.

I loved watching those teams, and after all the crap that happened academically, I hate to remember them.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 12:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Bobby Jackson

was in the house tonight

Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second

by GWST11 on Jan 17, 2012 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Sweet!

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 17, 2012 12:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I had Bobby in an anthro class...

….pre test taking, of course.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 17, 2012 12:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Yea, I think he’s an asst. coach?

by AndrePatterson on Jan 17, 2012 2:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Can he impart his defensive style?

Love’s rookie year in 08-09, Jackson was on the Kings for his valedictory lap of the league.

In the final game (I think?), which Ike Diogu blew up and won for Sacto, one of the very last notable events of that season occurred when Jackson defended Love one-on-one for a few possessions. Bobby was a crazed squirrel, he was incredibly energetic going at Kevin Love, and he held him off. Granted, the Wolves’ point guard stable was incredibly poor at feeding the post back then, but Jackson denied him the ball, Love got flustered….

And then Bobby Jackson retired.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 17, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Me too

I remember going to a few Clem summer camps where we wore the “play hard” shorts and he talked about howmwe needed to spend 2 hours of studying for every hour of playing. D’oh!

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 17, 2012 12:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Early Valentine

That budding relationship between Ricky Rubio and Kevin Love continues to bloom: The two already have a July dinner date scheduled in romantic Barcelona. – Zgoda

Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second

by GWST11 on Jan 17, 2012 12:52 AM CST reply actions  

I don't know if you could see it on tv but K-Love..

and Jason Thompson were elbowing and F**kin around all game (gettin super mad), I thought they were gonna square up and box each other! Anybody else catch this? I gotta give a little sorry shoutout to Luke, because he is a great shooter (whom should never handle the rock with Ricky still .). Him and Wayne stepped up big when nobody was doin Shit. What’s gotten into wayne? he hit puberty? I dig the shooting tonight and Hawks game.

by AndrePatterson on Jan 17, 2012 1:00 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I agree Wayne and Luke played really big tonight

I’d like to think Wayne turned a corner, but I think the far more likely explanation is that is what bench players do. They show up big from time to time, and other times they don’t do much. That is why they are bench guys and not starters nor out of the league.

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by Wile E Coyote on Jan 17, 2012 1:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Love

I thought he was going to get himself kicked out of the game there for awhile. Guy could not settle down.

by Vandelay Ind. on Jan 17, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey guys, we're 5-8, that's pretty cool

I know the ultimate outcome of this season would be to go 0.500 and battle for a playoff spot, and we still can potentially, but I just thought I’d say that 5-8 is actually a pretty legit record, all things considered.

In an 82 game season that would translate to about 31-51, and that sounds like something that a real team would do. Not to mention we have had a chance to win almost every game, and we have a postive point differental. Things are looking good.

by TO12 on Jan 17, 2012 7:31 AM CST reply actions  

The first thing to do IMO is to beat the teams we should beat

Miluakee, Cleverland at home, Toronto.

Then also coming up with Detroit

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

agreed

I’m still optimistic that with one trade to really balance the roster and either Wayne or Martel playing well we can compete for that 8th playoff spot (it’s a damn shame we’re in the West) but we really got win the easy ones.

by zebano on Jan 17, 2012 7:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Wouldn't the dream be

If we could get Gordon and Oakfor for like Williams/Ridnour/Beasley/Pek or something as a salary dump trade?

that would be crazy

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 8:02 AM CST up reply actions  

if their worried about making us better

we’ll also take that pretty little pick off their hands for our two protected picks and Wes Johnson

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Alright I'm getting penetration with the trade for Okafor idea!

Now I just have to bludgeon everyone else over the head another 5-10 times until Kahn’s son and interns who read this site start asking him why he hasn’t made the deal yet.

by zebano on Jan 17, 2012 8:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I actually...

really really don’t want Gordon (good player, but he will be cripplingly overpaid next season)… but I would love Okafor.

by vjl110 on Jan 17, 2012 8:38 AM CST up reply actions  

That's the problem

But, that is the problem with mostly all players.

Potentially, would you want to build a team around Love, Rubio and EG? You would have a max player, and 2 near max players, leaving room for only the most role-player of role players.

by TO12 on Jan 17, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

"But, that is the problem with mostly all players."

Yes and no… Scoring is easily the strongest predictor of salary, when you pay guys that only score, you are almost always getting a raw deal. Love scores, rebounds and may develop a passing game… Rubio passes, rebounds, steals, and may develop a scoring game. They will almost always be worth whatever their asking price because of their skill diversity.

Eric Gordon scores, and to some extent passes and plays man defense. He is a really good player, but I doubt he impacts the game nearly as much as Love or Rubio. If we need to pay him 8-10mil per, I am ok with that. However, I suspect he will be getting offers in the Rudy Gay range. that kind of a contract will probably hurt more than it helps.

Too bad the 76ers are doing so well, because Iggy is the guy I really want. That is the kind of wing you pay for… scoring, rebounding, passing and defense

by vjl110 on Jan 17, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

2 thoughts

1.) I think if you can get an under 24 year old wing that can score at a high rate and with reasonable efficiency you gotta do it. I love Thrilla, but Eric Gordon would give us the SG we’ve been sorely lacking since…well forever (have the Wolves ever had a good SG?). I love KLove but the one thing I do not like him doing right now (not that he can’t get better) is taking the shot when the play breaks down on the perimeter or when the shot-clock/game clock is running low. EG would give us that guy. Plus, he’s almost a perfect counter part to Ricky Rubio, he isn’t a chucker, he scores with moderate efficiency and can score with volume if need be (i.e. the first half vs SAC when Love/whole team couldn’t really get it going). Even if you have to over pay him, he Rubio and Love would be a devastating core for 10 years. Webster slides into the 3 spot and we figure center out. We’d be a deep playoff threat for years.

2.) You bring up the 76ers. and it’s interesting. With them playing so well I do wonder what the price for E.T. would be? He isn’t consistently playing, but he has been playing fairly well when he has. they are thin at post and don’t have a lot of “shooting” (there is a catch to what I’m suggesting) I wonder if a Pek/Randolph/Johnson trade would be something that would be of interest to them. I am interested a little bit in trying to find the 2 guard by use of a non-Williams asset. Derozan, Turner, Henderson would all be of interest to me and I think we could get them for a Ridnour/Randolph type deal. This would open up the possibility of moving Williams for maybe Pau Gasol/Nic Batum/ or a Center or Small Forward that could really balance out our roster well.

Eric Gordon is a young guy who is already good and has room to get better. He is a good enough passer and defensive player already and could easily get better

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

It is never "Ok to overpay"...

but sometimes even a lot of money is not overpaying. I am a pessimist on Eric Gordon, and do not think he will live up to his next contract. However, this is a topic where I really think reasonable people can differ. I may be very wrong.

I have waffled on ET, but since he has started to regain his NCAA form, I would really like him. (Much more so than Gordon actually). He could potentially be a great core SG. Unfortunately, we do not have the assets to swing a trade with a youngish team looking to win. I really don’t see anything happening between us and Philly.

I would not be Ok with dealing Ridnour or Randolph for either of DeRozan/Henderson. Nor do I think those are the kinds of deals Toronto or Charlotte would want. Either player for Ridnour would certainly make us worse this year, and Randolph would be at best a wash. We need good players a whole lot more than we need “shooters”.

by vjl110 on Jan 17, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

You makes good points

In this comment and the one above. He might not do enough to actually carry that big contract. The decision to pull the trigger would definitely depend on what his contract is. He would be perfect for our team, and honestly, all we need is a scorer in that position.

On the flip side, I really think your Rudy point is good. While a good player, that contract will end up hindering that team more than helping.

And on ET, no way. He is a guy that really needs to dominate the ball to be effective. We want the ball in Rubio’s hand as much as possible.

by TO12 on Jan 17, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Your point on Evan Turner is a good one...

He really isn’t an off-ball player, and we should be looking to fill our roster with guys who excel off-ball, especially at the 2. However this same critique applies to Gordon…

Both players have really high usage and interestingly Gordon and Turner are the two outliers among SGs in terms of % of shots assisted. The average shooting guard is assisted on almost 60% of his shots, Turner and Gordon are assisted on 29.2 and 29.4 respectively. The next lowest is Monta Ellis at 41.1%.

However…. Gordon scored a lot more off-ball last year 54.8% and also performed better… so he really might be a great fit. I just wish he was recognized as the role-player that he is. Because he would fill an important role for us. As you say, it all comes down to how big the contract is. I am betting it will be bigger than I would be willing to swallow, and I would rather not give up Williams for a rental.

by vjl110 on Jan 17, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Can we find an agreement on what NOT to trade Williams for?

I agree not for a rental

I hate the Williams for KMart trade that seems to be a favorite. What are your thoughts? I get that he is super efficient, but he is a 29 year old, non athletic swing man that has no interest in playing defense and is looking like he might potentially be down sliding in his career.

Now, Martin for Ridnour…I’d listen to that

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not a big Martin fan...

I love the way he scores, but he doesn’t really do anything else, and his defense is bordering on terrible. I think we could probably get better value for Williams.

I’m not sure how to pick a “value” for him, but it should be relatively high. He should only be dealt for a 2/3/5 who has already proven himself as a good NBA player and isn’t on the downside of his career. Ideally it would be someone already locked into a good contract for a couple of years. I really liked the idea of Gortat, or if possible Gortat + Dudley, but since Markief has proven to be the better young pf thus far, PHX no longer look like a great target.

by vjl110 on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I would only like Gortat

if we could also swing a DD trade ;) we both win in that scenario vj

Thrilla and Ridnour are tough to pegg for trade value as it is more or less relative to the team you are trading them too.

Also, it’s no surprise Markeef is balling and Williams is not…considering…well…PHX plays the damn guy

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Sure...

but DD isn’t very gettable. I doubt the Raptors part with him for any asset short of Williams, and they may even balk at that.

by vjl110 on Jan 17, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

I went over to Raptors HQ

And it sounds like he is gettable.

The consensus was obviously they wouldn’t trade him for nothing, but if they could get some depth at SF and then a backup PG so they could move Bayless to the 2 they would be interested in it.

also it also sounded like the coaching staff was not pretty on the fence with Derozan too.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I just think the core of Gordon Rubio and Love

would be as good of a three man core as anyone outside of D12 going to LAC

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

That's why I had to wonder

Maybe putting most of your money in those 3 is a viable option.

by TO12 on Jan 17, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

The biggest thing for me is that Gordon plays good D.

So few good scoring 2s can. Him and Wes mathews come to mind as two.

With a 2 like that next to Rubio, the backcourt starting D would be as good as any in the league. Not to mention the offensive possibilities.

Love’s help D problems would largely be compensated for by the limited penetration and you have serious playoff team.

Gordon is worth it if you can swing it. Most of the people on 4 million dollar contracts on the wolves could be replaced by 1 million D-leaguers with very little difference in productivity.

Look at Tolliver.

by Tollysnipes on Jan 17, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I definitely agree with this part....
Most of the people on 4 million dollar contracts on the wolves could be replaced by 1 million D-leaguers with very little difference in productivity.

and wish we were better at using that approach.

by vjl110 on Jan 17, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Sundiata Gaines. Maurice Ager, a year later?

There. Have I listed the Wolves’ complete list of D-League call-ups?

Jason Hart doesn’t count, does he? Obviously Tolliver was someone else’s find whom we signed as a free agent.

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by feral on Jan 17, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

and just better drafting too

if RA and co. can draft the hell out of the end of the first round and 2nd round for role guys there is no reason Gordon Rubio Love would not get you at least in that PHX of the last 10 years camp, where they are always kinda within sniffing distance of a Finals berth but can never seal the deal

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes I would

unless you guys get crazy about the draft (which I still believe it is absolutely the way to go for our 2 guard problems) EG or James Harden would be the way to go (assuming we’re trading Thrilla to get this 2 guard).

Still think drafting Brad Beal, or Wroten would prob be the best and cheapest route

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

On the 2 guard subject

Do you have any opinions on Malcolm Lee? My only impression is that he seems athletic and aggressive, but that’s entirely based on a few minutes of preseason ball.

I’m not expecting him to be great or anything, but I was wondering if you think there’s much hope for him to contribute in the next few years.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 17, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Lee..

kind of stunk in college. However there may be some reason for hope. His biggest problem is that he chucked a ton of 3s and wasn’t very good at them. If he can fix his 3-point shot or just stop taking them, he looks a lot better. That said.. he still didn’t do anything special in college.

The most optimistic take I have for Lee, is that college performance is least predictive of pro success for 2s. They are really difficult to project. The demands of the position are apparently very different between leagues. If scouts like what they see in Lee and think he has the tools to succeed, they may just be right.

by vjl110 on Jan 17, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I liked what I saw from him in the second preseason game, and just about everyone says he’s an NBA-ready defender. I’m hoping he can be something like Afflalo as a rookie (before his scoring efficiency went way up). He’s where I’m putting most of my irrational optimism these days.

by Madison Dan on Jan 17, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I think if you *have* to be irrationally optimistic

Lee is an excellent place to put it.

From what I have seen he has NBA ability, I haven’t been a big UCLA watcher in the past, but from what I could tell they were playing him out of position pretty poorly. He is a fairly gifted slasher and they were asking him to pass and shoot J’s (kinda similar to Holiday and even to some extent Westbrook).

The Afflalo thing is pretty good, I’d even say his penetration upside might be a bit higher, however Afflalo is a top notch defensive player and I would be impressed if Lee were that good.

I realize it is a stretch for the Madison continuum to be irrationally optimistic, so we here at the center for irrational optimism (The C.I.O.) thank you for your time.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I was really impressed with Lee in the preseason.

Quick release. Good penetration. Excellent D (had no trouble keeping up with Jennings). Played smart and confidently for someone with so little experience.

His knee will be the big issue though. Have to see what happens when he comes back. Two surgeries in one year is not good news.

by Tollysnipes on Jan 17, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Lee was so fast in that preseason game..

i am really looking forward to seeing him in some action that matters. He seemed to get to the rim at will.

"But this one goes to eleven..."

by kingsxman on Jan 17, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

BeLEEver

I don’t know if he’s going to be a star, starter, rotation or role guy. But I think he’s an NBA contributor you can count on for 10 years

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

For ten years. Ten years? How about ten minutes a night for one partial year?

All Malcolm Lee has to do to be a solid success as a rookie is come in and bridge the gaps in our guard rotation. If he can be an NBA-sized two guard capable of playing some defense, if he’s willing and able to rotate the ball, that’s golden.

Even that chicken’s still incubating.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 17, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

saying he can be a role player for 10 years

is not like it’s prophesying greatness

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

totally

I’m making a call based on the skill set he has, the kind of player I’ve seen and the kind of players that stick around for 10 years.

I’ll be wrong if I’m wrong.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I think even that is a stretch

I think you’re falling into the trap that is “potential” – draft picks and young players are often overrated based we like to dream on them, thinking they have the potential to be contributors on good teams.

Let me put it this way – would you be happy if we traded for Devin Ebanks? Marcus Thornton? Patrick Ewing Jr? Adam Haluska? Marcus Vinicius? Mile Ilic? Those are the last six players before Lee picked with the 43rd pick. Thornton is a contributor, and everybody else is or will be out of the NBA in two years.

The 5th/6th man off the bench is a better bet.

by atlastata on Jan 17, 2012 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

UCLA was not playing him out of position

They tried him at the point, because they had no other options. That was a bust, so he moved back to the 2 his last season. he is certainly a better slasher than a jump shooter, but he did not do either well. I give you that the Howland offense is a mess. Absolutely no one can look good in that system. However, even given that he did not impress. No one was going to create a shot for him in that offense, so he was on his own to slash or shoot or whatever. I think he will be better in the pros, but I also was positive that his teammate Honeycutt would be a better pro with more NBA skills, and (although he was taken earlier in the draft) was sent down to the D-League by an awful Kings team. I do think Lee’s jump shot will be improved. I’m rooting for Lee, but there is nothing yet to hang your hat on aside from irrational optimism.

by dropstep on Jan 17, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

If Adelman is to be believed

He is already a scrappy defender. So that is something to hang your hat on. Will depend on whether he can be a positive offensive player.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Jan 17, 2012 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Kentavious

espcially once you pointed out some eye popping numbers for me.

But I still think Brad Beal might be the most perfect running mate for Rubio out there. I also love Tony Wroten I think he has the upside to just massacre people in the NBA.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

For what it is worth....

I think Beal and Wroten both look really good. Beal is a stud rebounder for a 2, and Wroten’s numbers remind me a lot of Alec Burks (rebounds, steals, and assists along with scoring). I can see the appeal of trying to get one of those three players (Beal, Wroten, Kentavious) in the draft. I am much less interested in some of the other young SGs that are getting a lot of hype.

I just don’t think that is the stage we are at. We have our stars in Rubio + Love. We should be trying to win it all while Rubio is on his rookie contract. That means filling out the rest of our core with established players. Even if Beal/Wroten/Kentavious were a sure thing (which they absolutely aren’t) the odds are really high that it will take awhile for them to flourish. I want to win now and with two bona fide studs there isn’t all that much in the way.

by vjl110 on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

This.

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 17, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep

It really is too bad about the Marko pick They really could have made a run at someone big.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 17, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Dude I feel that opinion

I’m a big draft guy, so I get a little draft crazy, but IMO it’s the best and cheapest way to get a quality 2.

But yes, will they compete right away? Maybe not (especially in Wroten’s case) but I still think, whether you buy a pick or make a salary dump trade or whatever I think you need to get one of these guys.

I don’t think though, that by getting one of these guys that should end all discussion about the 2 guard spot. Why not try and make a salary dump run at Marcus Thornton (he looks like he could really help us out) AND get KCP? Marcus can help us now, and 2-3 years later we can trade Thornton when he’s on an expiring deal for another good player because we’ve drafted smartly and got 19 year old killer like KCP.

I’m a believer in good drafting=the path to success. I get that a bunch of you are either a) burnt out with draft busts or b) more interested in using assets to get a vet….but I think you still gotta pay attention to the draft and use it to get cheap, young killers to help build this thing.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

For real

It has been a bumpy ride so far, but that was to be expected. With RA at the helm and 2 legit stars on our team, the Wolves are pulling themselves up into relevance.

A quick guess: even if we don’t make any moves between now and next year (I hope we do make some…) I think we can probably be a 7th or 8th seed in the West, and be a solid clip above 0.500.

by TO12 on Jan 17, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Throw in a well placed trade or two

And the outcome might still be the same (early playoff exit) but looking further down the road we could really make things happen.

by TO12 on Jan 17, 2012 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

With our two stars healthy yes.

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

It'll be interesting to see

if indeed our starting wings have been hurt

Webby and Lee haha….curious if that’s what they end up going with if no trade is made

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

They got a medium-shot at the playoffs

1 — They have proved they can compete with any team.

2 — They have some injuries with players coming back.

3 — They are clearly missing a SG/C yet have a coach who knows how to handle this.

Fun to watch and they should have playoff expectations at this point. No reason to think otherwise.

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by ChicagoViking on Jan 17, 2012 8:46 AM CST reply actions  

Eh

Next year is playoffs or bust. This year, just try and compete every game, build a winning attitude, find out who our long term guys are, and try and swing a trade or two.

Anything else is gravy, but I’ve kind of cooled on the playoffs. They’d be great, but it wouldn’t do a whole lot to alter my perception of this team, as long as the previous items get checked off.

by TO12 on Jan 17, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Wolves 10th is points allowed!

They play D this year. Wonder if the coach as anything to do…

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by ChicagoViking on Jan 17, 2012 8:53 AM CST reply actions  

Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I’m sure Beas and Love just worked really hard this summer and the rest of the team took note…

by TO12 on Jan 17, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Don’t tell anyone…. Wes Johnson has become their best defensive player.

by Rodman99 on Jan 17, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I wish that were true.

Occasionally he looks good. Other times he looks lost and can be brushed off with a light screen.

by Tollysnipes on Jan 17, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he's starting to get it

Last night if he drained a few threes he played an excellent game. Nice drives, aggressive d.

I think Adelman is truly the magical unicorn. We just have to give all these guys a chance to learn there roles.

I think Beasley will come back with a fresh perspective too.

Now I stand by my D comment, if only because we don’t have a lot of stoppers on our team. If Wes could channel Malik Sealy he’d be a nice piece to the puzzel.

by Rodman99 on Jan 17, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't say for sure if he will ever 'get it'

But Adelman seems to have really helped by clearly defining a role for him. Last year it seemed like he just wanted to try and do everything, and by doing so, got lost and unsure of where exactly he needed to be.

If we limit him to defense and 3’s for example, that makes it real easy.

by TO12 on Jan 17, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Defense and 3's?

Would require hitting a 3.

Ellington made him look so bad yesterday.

by bustaone on Jan 17, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't say he did do it

I just said limiting to his role to a defined section of the game is a good idea

by TO12 on Jan 17, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Substitute slashing for 3's, if you want

Or nothing, for all I care… it was just an example brotha.

by TO12 on Jan 17, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Anyone else hear near the end of the game when Pekovic went to the line people were chanting “MVP! MVP!” Not sure if they were making fun of Pek or if nose bleed couldn’t see that it was PEK and not Kevin Love. Regardless it was hilarious.

Also if you’re into Twitter check out “BRING DA RUCKUS” It’s a twitter from Anthony Toliver’s alter ego. Pretty good stuff.

https://twitter.com/#!/theRuckus_44

by Skoaldybi on Jan 17, 2012 9:06 AM CST reply actions  

You wouldn't confuse the two standing next to each other

but Team Neck Beard is a little hard to sort out at times.

Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!

by TMiss on Jan 17, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

That is amazing.

My favorites:

theRuckus_44 The Ruckus:
How dey gon play Fredette on MLK day.

and:
Bocked dat shit.

by Tollysnipes on Jan 17, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

gotta get Harden

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 17, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

maynnn hol up

Mayn we got dat mafuckin W lass night boy!!! Mayn i wuz wlidin out seein Pek give Demarcus de bizness he sed Ay Demarcus mayn fuck you ima kill you son and Cousins wuz all scared and shit lmao i wud be too at dat tatoo on peks shoulder doe.

Mayn K Love went HAM az usual, aldoe he really need ta shut up wit de refs iss gettin kinda embarrasing iss all good doe AY WHERES HIZ EXTENSION mayn im trynna see dat im a lil like worried and shit rih now

MAYN HOL UP!

by MAYNHOLUP on Jan 17, 2012 10:23 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

After the victory last night ...

..I smoked somn, and was with you in spirit.

3 games to .500!

by bustaone on Jan 17, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Back up a sec

You mean you can SEE Ricky Rubio when you haven’t been smoking? And all this time I thought smokin’ was a prerequisite for unicorn sightings!

Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!

by TMiss on Jan 18, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

David Brauer also observes:
dbrauer David Brauer
#twolves now have more wins than the Celtics. #itsfinallyhappening

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 17, 2012 10:59 AM CST reply actions  

Sweet mother of god

… Someone go see if hell has frozen over.

by bustaone on Jan 17, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Brauer relayed two signs of the apocalypse on his twitter page yesterday, then:
dbrauer David Brauer
@RandBall Existential question: If you complete a Hail Mary against Tebow’s team, does it trigger the Rapture?

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 17, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I checked...and it definitely froze over

Proof: It’s mid-late January and there is no snow and it’s not subzero….and the wolves have more wins than the Celtics with KG, Rondo, Allen and Pierce.

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
If that doesn't work, cheat.

by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 17, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I've always found

this idiom ‘hell has frozen over’ a bit strange. It’s common knowledge (well I should cite Inferno for that) that Lucifer is frozen waist deep in ice.

by Keelhaul on Jan 17, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

the next 2

I don’t know if Gordon is the guy. Although some of it doubtless originated in hurt feelings at being sent to NO in the Paul trade, Eric’s comments about not liking feeling overshadowed in LA because of the attention Blake got don’t bode well for a team that already sports KLove and Ricky. Plus he’ll want a max contract. Turner seemed like a good option, he’s a good passer… but I don’t know if he’d need the ball in his hands or not. Seems like he’s a coachable type, and Adelman looks pretty effective at getting guys to play his system, so if it was possible I’d like him. Hardin is a pipe dream, OKC loves him and he’s a starter in everything but reality. Whoever it is you gotta keep the ball in Ricky’s hands though, he’s just too good at court/game management not to. This includes Ridnour. Luke has blossomed as a shooting 2, but he’s not going to scare anyone defensively there. He’d be perfect off the bench backing up Rubio though if he can deal with it. Actually prefer to build through the draft. Sure the Wolves are young, but in this economy there’s a lot to be said for three years of rookie money. Would love to do it but I don’t see how the Wolves could get Beal. Isn’t he a little high on the board? If a trade could be swung for him, so be it. Wroten, or maybe Lamb might do. Wroten is the better athlete, and better defensive guy so I’d favor him. Satoransky is someone to watch also. Young guy who just needs to improve his handle some, but has already been tested in Europe and nobody’s discounting that experience anymore.
Otherwise, I’m really enjoying the Wolves this year. Love is Love, liked him from the start, and why people doubted Ricky I don’t know. Sure his season was sub-par last year, but you can’t have watched him play and doubt the court vision. As he’s said, the unclogged zones in the NBA are perfect for him, doubly so with Aldeman’s “let ‘em play if the effort’s real” wisdom. I’m really into high bbIQ and with Love and Rubio Minnesota has two of the top among relative youngsters. Big advantage going forward, especially because they match it with real talent. In a short while, with a move or two and some added understanding of Aldeman’s system the Timberwolves will actually be relevant.

by dwb on Jan 17, 2012 5:43 PM CST reply actions  

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