We Need a Vet! I Have Next Years Answer!
by Doug West Domination!!! on Jan 17, 2012 11:20 PM CST
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PrintSo I will start this off by saying this will be extremely controversial but as a diehard fan of the T-Wolves this is what I want to see them do next year.
But I would love to see KG back in a T-Wolves jersey next year. I know he is way past his prime but I think he is exactly what this team needs. With our only real veterans being Luke Ridnour and Anthony Tolliver this team needs a guy who now has a ring and has tons of experience. Here are my reasons why.......
1. Leadership. We have no "Ideal" veteran. Ridnour and Toliver are nice role players but I don't see them leading the guys the way they need to be. Back in the day rooks used to come in and they had no choice to listen to veterans but unfortunately its not the NBA way anymore. They push aside vets for young talent to groom with no real mentor.
I want to say that I really like K-Love. He is a beast on the glass and gets to the line a lot. But the guy pouts too damn much and gets his head out of the game for a while when things don't go his way. He's never going to get Kobe Bryant calls and that's OK but he has to learn to get over that. KG in my opinion is the perfect guy to get on his ass when he does this crap. Beasley tries to do this but he just sounds like a weird asshole when he does it.
KG had guys like Sam Mitchell and Terry Porter around who the heck does this team have as a veteran presence. Oh ya I guess Darko is considered a vet now huh? He could also be a great example to Derrick Williams if we keep him around and he could teach him some things and Rubio has to benefit from this in some way. I assume Beasley will be gone by then anyways but I assume he'd smack the shit out of him in practice at some point.
Every great organization needs great leadership with great influence. I can't think of a better fit than KG.
2. He's not going to demand the ball and he can play in any offense I can think of. He'll go in the post if you ask him, he'll play pick'n roll with Rubio, he'll play the high low game with K-Love, and I think he'd play minimal or maximum minutes based on what we need.
We have enough young talent. I'm getting sick of acquiring it. Either go out and get some veteran leadership and a damn wing who can actually dribble the basketball.
3. Cash. I think the most we'd have to give him would be one year 6 Million or 2 years at 10 million. That won't lock us up long and by then we can shed his contract and resign Rubio most likely.
4. Fan Base. I think most of us would love to see this signing. I can guarantee it won't go as bad as taking Randy Moss back was thats for sure. I would die to take out my old 21 jersey and rock it again. More ticket sales = More money to sign Free Agents also. KG is a solid investment. Besides do you really want to see the greatest T-Wolve of all time sitting on the Heat or Lakers bench next year chasing another ring or helping out the franchise that gave him and awesome opportunity?
How could you say no?
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Rather use those minutes to play Dwill more. KG’s game is basically long jumpers and his defense has deteriorated with age. Unless KG is content with playing 15 minutes a game, we should not bring him here. I honestly rather play Tolliver than KG.
You would honestly play AT over KG?
Really?
Really…?
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Have you been
watching KG lately… All the guy does on offense is shoot jumpers, and on defense he is showing his age.
Tolliver is a beast in blocking dunks, and the guy can knock down threes. He seems like a guy who hustles a lot and plays the game within himself.
Yep
Tolliver>KG
Weird thing to type but it’s true.
by Timberwolf i.e. Albatross on Jan 18, 2012 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think it's true
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
by littleboxes on Jan 18, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't believe it, then I looked up the stats
They are pretty close.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=garneke01&y1=2012&p2=tollian01&y2=2012
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by HumdingerTV on Jan 18, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure I've seen KG jump this year
it’s a bit depressing.
Not for that $$$
6 mil a yr is way too much for a role player who would play 12-15 min a game. KG never helped out the Wolves in the past with taking a favorable contract, i doubt he will start now. Don’t get me wrong, I would LOVE to see KG on our roster but i think he will ask for too much $. KG’s attitude has changed. The way conducts himself on the court has changed. I feel his attitude might be too toxic for our young talent (it KILLS me to say that).
Against
We need Love and Rubio to be the leaders and bark out orders to each other and the rest of the team. Having a legend with KGs personality might gum up the leadership roles. A grant hill type yes, a KG or Rasheed type scares me.
by fanslaststand on Jan 18, 2012 12:41 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Ya
Rosters like Sacto or Washington need a KG type more than we do.
by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 18, 2012 7:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would take him back
But for about half of the $5-6 million proposed, if that. He took a LOT of money out of Minnesota before he left. I actually have no problem with that. What’s done is done, and he was arguably the best player in the NBA for a good couple years here. Having said that, if he truly wanted to finish up in MN because he likes it here, for the reasons he has stated in the past, then give Glen the home team discount and be the veteran leader we have been clamoring for that teaches our young guys how to focus, play defense, give everything you have on any given night and then chillax knowing that you’ve done so. If he were willing to take on that role, from the bench, I can’t say that I a bit of nostalgia wouldn’t get the best of me.
Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.
Totally agree
Assuming we don’t pick up Beasley or AR’s options, I think there will be frontcourt minutes to be had, even with Tolliver and D-Will still in the mix. I think he can be very productive playing 15 – 18 MPG off the bench. But it has to be for the right salary. His contract can’t kill our ability to go out and make a run at an RFA like Batum.
by Rascal Flatts on Jan 18, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Please, no more power forwards...and we already have Barea for a veteran presence
And if K-Love “gets his head out of the game” too much, please explain his nba record double-double streaks? The dude is a model of consistency.
by Black Jack Davy on Jan 18, 2012 1:53 AM CST reply actions
Forgot about Barrea
But he still isn’t the leader KG could be.
And watch him after he gets a foul that the refs don’t call. He lays on the court and stares at the ref while everyone else gets down the court. Then after he gets late on D he takes a bad foul cause he was out of position.
Imagine the rebound numbers or respect he’d get from officials if he didn’t do that crap.
by Doug West Domination!!! on Jan 18, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
See Dwight Howard.
When a big is so good on the boards or offense that you can’t contain them. You physically beat them. and often with your large scrubs. The refs call some of the fouls, but only some. Dwight has been taking a beating for years. He leads the league in techs or is close to it because it’s really hard to just go with it when taking a beating because the opposition game plans to cheat. Love is getting the same sort of treatment.
Both get to the line a lot. Both get fouled a lot. Neither can be contained without cheating.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
KG is basically a center these days
I like it. 6 million, one year would definitely be worth it. Just don’t sign him to a big three year deal. Greatest Wolf ever. Playing with Rubio has got to appeal to him.
If we could get him
I think it may take more money than that. Or will it? What is the market for Old KG?
by princelyfrank on Jan 18, 2012 3:29 AM CST up reply actions
If he seeked us out...
and actively pursued the opportunity to retire in MN, I’d let him because he earned that during the first stint with us. But he would not help our team at all. For the first time in his career he’s been checked out mentally this year. He’s not the guy we remember. He’s my favorite player ever, but for the first time since he’s been there I have stopped watching the Celtics because he’s so depressing to watch.
PF and PG are covered. Unless he wants the vet minimum we don't need a vet PF.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
If we trade DWill
for a 2 or something, then a backup vet PF would fit well. I personally hope they don’t trade DWill though.
by Jordan Seiffert on Jan 18, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
i hate pouting, but maybe it works?
But the guy pouts too damn much and gets his head out of the game for a while when things don’t go his way. He’s never going to get Kobe Bryant calls and that’s OK but he has to learn to get over that
i agree about the pouting and i do not like it, BUT
free throw attempts this year:
1) Dwight Howard 150
2) Kobe Bryant 128
3) Kevin Love / LeBron James 124
Link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fta_top_10.html
it looks like kobe bryant calls (KBC) = KLC + 2
i hate hate hate that the theatrics may play a role in the calls, but it certainly seems like they do…
that's true, but i wonder if there's a correlation..?
last year, he was not in the top 10
this year he is #3
from years of coaching hs, it seems like there is a fine line between complaining too much and not complaining enough
and the fine line was not always in the same place, shifting depending on the ref and on the coach’s tone
this is kind of random rambling, but it led me to think about what leads one to get calls/FTA:
-how physically you play (while still in control)
-your “status”
-how “craftily” you play (flopping, exaggerating contact, etc)
-“rapport” with the refs
i HATE the whining by players, but maybe whining just the right amount helps.
it’s too bad there isn’t a whininess / 48 stat that could be correlated with FTA- could be interesting
Whininess
I like it. We need a way to calculate this behavior. Also, I should also rephrase – FTA does not necessarily = getting calls.
by Jordan Seiffert on Jan 18, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
ps
doug west may be available
he is a slasher
he would be cheaper than kg
How do you delete a useless comment?
Hmmmmm?
by Doug West Domination!!! on Jan 18, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
you didn't have to go and make me feel bad
he is a vet
he does/did have a skillset we need
he is prominently featured in your handle
not the most insightful comment ever, i agree, but useless? sheesh
maybe he didn't mean it that way
see his handle – maybe some reference there
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 18, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
if that is the case, i feel better
and at the same time, i feel bad for not realizing it
You seem prone to bad feelings at the moment.
Are you doing alright?
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
SG and SF should be our priority and then C
Ray Allen and Nicolas Batum would be nice. Not sure about their availability though
I loved KG when he was here
But at this point it would be kind of like when teams were signing Iverson a few years ago. A really big personality and ego whose game no longer matches.
I dunno, nostalgia from the GM’s chair is not a great way to go. I applaud the Sun’s for trying to let Nash retire there, but they are in a world of hurt.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
concur
A really big personality and ego whose game no longer matches.
I don’t think KG’s personality will be a benefit as his skills continue to deteriorate. You can curse, berate, and punch out your teammates when you’re a borderline MVP and it plays out as attempting to elevate your teammates. Do the same thing as an aging nut-punching hack and it looks like your trying to keep younger teammates down.
by BrazilYinzer on Jan 18, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Allen Iverson was different
He always needed the ball in his hands to be the type of player he could be. At the height of KGs career he never needed the ball all the time to be effective.
And we are much diffent than the suns. We have our pieces for the future. If the Suns did I’m sure Nash would be a huge help to them mentoring those guys.
by Doug West Domination!!! on Jan 18, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
I tell you now, by the rules of sports films through the ages
If KG comes back, this team wins the NBA finals.
In other news, Corey scored 22 off the bench for Denver last night.
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wow
11 is a lot of dunks in one game
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 18, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
corey brewer is
leading the league in 3 pt %
by comparison,
nothing will ever again seem amazing as long as I live.
and
MY JOKE STILL STANDS!
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 18, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong I’d love to see Garnett back here but like it has been said before He’s just not the same player he use to be. Randy Moss 2.0?
That's why he'd have to agree to a minimal contract and coming off the bench
If he still thinks he deserves mid-level money and prominent minutes, then forget about it. But if he wants to ease into retirement gracefully, I think he’d be a great fit for our squad.
by Rascal Flatts on Jan 18, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
I'm getting a real kick out of him in street clothes.
He’s always got the tshirt/suitcoat combo, and is whispering into the guys’ ears from the second row, undoubtedly offering up some sage veteran wisdom. But given his well-known love for that which has long plagued the Beas, I can’t help but imagine him asking the fellas what they need picked up for that night. It’s great.
It's not global warming...it's the Rubio effect.
by BrettAhlgren on Jan 18, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
Usually rockin’ the jeans with his suitcoat too haha
by Jordan Seiffert on Jan 18, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Our seats are not too far from/with a good view of
the Wolves’ bench, and I have sort of a mini-crush on him. My husband is horrified, and I realize this means I am officially old, if I find Brad Miller to be the most attractive Timberwolf.
Even more attractive than this guy?
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
KG on a reasonable deal would be awesome!
He was our BIG Ticket for all those years. Even if he has regressed a little, his battlefield mentality would be a boost in the locker room. Was that 2004 when he took heat for saying the Wolves would be ready for battle in the playoffs?
OIl and Water
I see Love and Garnett getting along just as well as Wally and Garnett. I might think that his time in Boston has shown us that KG was the problem, not so much Wally.
Anyday of the week
think of how unbelievable it would be if Kevin Garnett and Kevin Love lead us back to the playoffs for the first time in 7 years next season (assuming we don’t make it this year).
Move Thrilla to get a good wing and then draft either Wroten, Beal or KCP and we are in some serious business
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
If the Wolves
Traded Beasley, Johnson, Ellington, Ridnour, Randolph and/or Pek for all the first round choices they could get; they could then draft Wroten, Beal, and/o.r KCP. Next the Wolves could trade Williams to OKC for Harden’s beard and our new wings could take turns wearing it. Voodoo would be so happy.
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by pastyearsears on Jan 18, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
to be fair
i think we’d all be happy if we could move Williams for Harden’s beard
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Better get that beard before
it ends up in Warehouse 13 as a quarantined artifact.
Before I clicked on this FanPost,
I fully expected the suggestion to be Doug West.
Doug West Domination is one of the all-time best ID's on CH
It could only be beaten if someone went with “Felipe Lopez Pandemonium” or something
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 18, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
I remember when Lopez started the season with the Wolves,
and everyone was talking about how he put up 1000+ jumpers a day in the offseason, and how he was going to dominate, etc. etc., and then he promptly tore his ACL and was finished, if memory serves.
Thanks man, I used to love Mr. West.
Plus we majorly screwed him when we finally got good so maybe we should bring him back.
by Doug West Domination!!! on Jan 18, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
It's been a favorite of mine since I joined
my other favorite one is MoreJuice…assuming he’s referencing Kevin Mchale’s way to describe potential when he said “i think Foye has more juice than Roy”
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I love KG but...
there’s NO WAY we would get him for that little $$. You think a guy making $21.2 million this year would accept a one-year deal for $6 million next year? That’s insane. He’d only do that if he really wanted to finish his career in Minnesota, but I don’t think that’s a priority for him. Also: we already have power forwards (Love, Williams, Tolliver, Randolph, Beasley). Time to focus on SG and C.
Based on his production he would have to.
Look at guys who come off max deals at the end of there careers. Shaq took maybe 3 million from Boston his last year just to give it one more go. The only reason I even think he should get that much is because ticket and merchandise items would go crazy if it happened.
by Doug West Domination!!! on Jan 18, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
If he's not accepting $6M next year
He’s probably not playing next year.
It's not global warming...it's the Rubio effect.
by BrettAhlgren on Jan 18, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Offseason targets
Ranked for priority, and then likelihood of availability.
1. Batum
2. Rudy Fernandez
3. Courtney Lee
4. Javale McGee
5. CJ Miles
6. Robin Lopez
7. Sam Young
8. Eric Gordon
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Batum + Fernandez would be great.
If the Wolves have the guts to give up on some “potential”, I think it’s feasible. We could have all of Beasley, Webster, Miller, Randolph, and Tolliver come off the books next year. I wouldn’t mind re-signing Tolliver to a reasonable deal and I’d probably exercise Randolph’s qualifying offer if he keeps playing OK. Hopefully Love will have a big raise.
With all of that, we should still have room to add some free agents. Or they could blow $14 million on Beasley + Webster.
Boy, I just don't see
Beasley getting the QO, much less make it past the trade deadline.
by Rascal Flatts on Jan 18, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Ideal
Both Batum and Fernandez would be dreamy.
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I think we do need one of these guys but IMO we also need a solid vet in the offseason that has some swagger.
That’s where a guy like KG can come in.
by Doug West Domination!!! on Jan 18, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
I clicked "no"
Ego =/= current ability
Power forward glut
Jump shooting
etc. etc.
HOWEVER, I’m not saying I would be sad if it happened somehow. It would be unbelievably crowd-pleasing. And who knows, maybe the very act of KG’s willingness to do this would say something about his willingness to take on whatever role. I can’t remember, bad blood between KG & Taylor when he left? Didn’t KG have some not-so-nice parting remarks?
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 18, 2012 12:34 PM CST reply actions
He's not the same KG
oncourt and off.
voted no.
Who next, Marbury?
by righteousindignation on Jan 18, 2012 12:56 PM CST reply actions
Like I expected
Most people love KG that will never change. But you are either far left or right on this issue.
He’s a polarizing character thats for sure you can’t deny that he would have a major impact on the locker room which is really what I’m hoping for more than anything.
Anyone think he can play Center. I’m sure he’ll get more dunks than Darko?
by Doug West Domination!!! on Jan 18, 2012 1:01 PM CST reply actions
Definitely
He can definitely play center next to Love. I wouldn’t much enjoy a DWill/Garnett front court combo though.
Nope
As a wise man once said…“Include me out!”
If there’s any way of snagging Ray Allen I’d bite your arm off tho’….
I wouldn't mind KG coming back .... on the other hand, NO WAY!
I just don’t see how paying a veteran like KG to come off the bench makes any sense at all. If it was Ray Allen, I could see that, we lock up his great shooting and his skills very well fit the sixth man role player mold and he plays a position at which we are lacking productivity. Even Paul Pierce makes more sense to me, fills that sixth man and SG/SF role, just fits better than KG, really when two of the three players that make up our young core play PF.
I’d jump on the band wagon if it happened, but I don’t see why we would advocate for this, except for a “Return of Da Kid” situation, be it that he’s in a not so kid-like state.
All I’ve seen from KG Lately is mediocracy, a sudden break out, and a bad attitude. I mean hitting Bill Walker in the neck on Christmas!? KG, you missed the shot dude, Bill challenged you well, he can’t celebrate his victory without getting choked? what the heck? SMH
You know what, there’s absolutely no way I want to see KG in a wolves uni anymore. I’ve convinced myself against it.
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by Michael C. Boosalis II on Jan 18, 2012 1:51 PM CST reply actions
Yes even Pierce...
…that’s more of a stretch for me though….Allen will outlast both of them. I just reckon Allen would be the better fit in that dressing room and would be a presence without having to be overt about things. He deliver on the court…no doubting that…but he’d be just as valuable off it.
Can you imagine Target Center on opening night next year
if the Wolves win 26-28 games this year, Love signs an extension, Ricky wins ROY, and they sign KG?
Holy crap.
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