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Everyone get ready!

For the "Love is insulted by the Wolves contract offer!". In fact, it's already arrived here. I would suspect that next will come the "Love wants to go to California / Portland / Dallas" next. Or the "Love wants to test free agency in two summers!"

First off, I have the usual problem with ANYTHING reported by Shooter. However, he does have some access to Powers That Be in the Wolves (is Kahn now a Power That Was?). But why would anyone run with this as if it were fact?

As sometimes happens on the Interwebs, Pro Basketball Talk took what was basically an unconfirmed rumor in a local paper and is now implying a) that it is factual and b) that Love will be insulted. Neither of which is even remotely certain.

IF it is true, as the article admits (you have to read a couple of paragraphs to get there), all it means is that the Wolves are offering max or near-max money for 4 years to Love. Yes, they could offer an additional year which has a 7% increase in salary, but there are a couple of different ways to read that (more after the jump), most of which aren't exactly insulting to Love, and may actually be what he wants.

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The big questions are this: do we know that Love wants 5 years? What if he doesn't? What if he wants 3-4 years because he wants to see how the team develops? What if he wants to match his contract length to Adelmans'? The point being that there are some sound economic and non economic reasons for Love to prefer a shorter deal rather than a longer one. Would you trust this franchise for 5 more years if you were him?

If you are the Wolves, is it a crazy negotiating tactic to offer Love 4 years? I say not necessarily. You can only have 1 player on a 5 year deal from a rookie contract at a time, which means if Love signs for 5 you will not be able to offer Wes, RR or DWill 5 years when they are free agents? (I'm kidding about at least one of those -- just want to see if you are still paying attention) What if they have offered Love the max for 5 years and he says he only wants 4 years, and they come back and say "You can either have 5 years at the max or 4 years at $1 million less per year than the max". That doesn't seem crazy to me from a negotiating standpoint (doesn't mean that he won't be insulted, but after all this is a business negotiation).

Would you keep your 5 year option for RR?

Bottom line for me: I want love here, I think he's a max player, and I would offer him 5 years and worry about the future with RR when it comes. But offering 4 years at the near max shouldn't be insulting and may actually be decent negotiating, and may even be what Love WANTS. But I expect the next week to be FILLED with stories about "Will he or won't he sign?". Get ready.

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Yeah I have no idea what's actually going on

I just want us to keep Love and Rubio regardless of the cost.

by zebano on Jan 18, 2012 3:56 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I would expect

That love wants 5 years. One of the reasons he dropped weight this off season was to preserve his knees. He’s smart. He’ll insist on 5 years if he can get it. Besides, in today’s NBA, he can ask for a trade whenever he wants.

The smart business decision is to cash in now and take the 5 years. If he is truly leaving it up to his agent (which I doubt, but he says he is), then his agent would insist the same.

by hipity on Jan 18, 2012 3:59 PM CST reply actions  

Mmm

Not totally sure. If he is skeptical about the Wolve’s future, but is also financialy frugel (he is), it makes a lot of sense to ask for a 4 year deal so he gets to his second contract sooner.

Anyways, it’s all speculation. I’m going to try and stay away from this one until it is closed up.

by TO12 on Jan 18, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I meant to emphasize

That Love is aware of his health issues, so he’d try to cash in when he’s healthy. I did a terrible job of emphasizing that point.

by hipity on Jan 18, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that this is the reason

Not that it matters what I think.

But If I were in Love’s place, I’d want 4 years so I could get to LA sooner.

by timmuggs on Jan 18, 2012 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Wouldn't the two sides talk before an offer gets made?

So, if they do in fact offer him a four year deal, he probably wanted something like it. If not, what the hell.

Jonny "bag o' chips" Flynn is the GOAT

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 18, 2012 4:04 PM CST reply actions  

I'd rather have a s*&%load of stories for the next week...

and have him sign by January 25th, than be agonizing about this for the next freaking year and change.

My kneejerk reaction to 4 years/$60M was that they’re messing with Love, but it’s not an insulting offer, particularly in light of the recent spate of slightly-shorter-length contracts.

Zach Lowe’s SI article does a good job at articulating this position (not sure if anyone posted it today (this place is crazy busy!), but AndyG tweeted about it ).

If what Love wants is the full, five-year max, he’d better get it. This has been a really exciting season for this club so far, but I hope the FO doesn’t have such a short memory that they fail to consider what things were like at Target Center not so long ago.

by PDGirl on Jan 18, 2012 4:04 PM CST reply actions  

The best part of that article of Zach's

Is the comments, who you can tell didn’t read the article just posted their random thoughts. Both comments sounds foolish after just reading the article.

by Timberwolf i.e. Albatross on Jan 18, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the link

Hadn’t seen that article yet and it is way more eloquent then mine.

The other factor here (which I forgot to mention) is the Olympics. I don’t think Love will play if he is a FA (even a restricted FA) due to the risk of injury so he has some extra incentive to get something done before then (assuming he cares about the Olympics).

The larger point, of course, is that the echo chamber has been created — it’s a rumor reported by Shooter but now SI and others have published articles on it. Again, my guess is that any “offer” the team makes won’t be a surprise to Love’s camp. They may want 5 years, or they may want the full max for 4, but it’s rare that these types of proposals (we’re talking $60 million at a minimum) just get thrown over the transom to the other side.

by Sterno on Jan 18, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

All of this said, I was hoping to "see" kevinharland on here today,

because I want Los Locos to start a “Pay the Man” chant tonight. (I yelled it a few times on Monday from across the arena, but to no avail ;).

by PDGirl on Jan 18, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

(kevinharlan….proofreading)

by PDGirl on Jan 18, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

(We got it.)

I only saw a few shots of Los Locos in the second half last night. They looked like they were having fun. I hope they weren’t driving the “RU-BI-O” chant when Ricky was taking free-throws.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:29 AM CST up reply actions  

That point forward article is very good about explaining it.

He can’t get more anywhere else. It is not a bad move to make him that offer, and see if he will take it. He won’t but it doesn’t hurt to try. They got to save as much cash as possible to lock up the unicorn. He will get near max as well eventually I must think.

by Tollysnipes on Jan 18, 2012 4:14 PM CST reply actions  

I don't know what's going on

but to be hesitant to offer Love 5 years because you are concerned about having that offer available to Rubio in another 4 years is silly. Worry about Rubio when you need to; Love is the best guy you’ve got and one of the best guys in the whole league. You give him what he wants.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Jan 18, 2012 5:15 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I wholeheartedly agree with paying Love all that you can,

but if I were Kahn I would at least try to get Ricky, Kevin and their agents in a room together. I would tell them that they are both undoubtedly worth max contracts and if they insist on receiving them, the team is more than happy to offer them as they constitute the next 10-15 years of the franchise. However, I would also ask them to consider the fact that if they took slightly less their supporting cast would be better and they would have a better chance at winning a championship. I would also elucidate the impact that Kevin receiving a max contract would have on Ricky to ensure that they at least hear it. If they still insist on receiving the max then by all means I would offer everything I could.

by bsg007 on Jan 18, 2012 5:52 PM CST reply actions  

Kahn can't elucidate

(cheapshot, I know)

It’s refreshing that the wolves have two players that will ultimately be worth max contracts.

by Stabby Stabby on Jan 18, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean

give them the “this is what KG did, and this is what happened” lecture?

Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!

by TMiss on Jan 18, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Give me a break...

That link is just probasketballtalk quoting Charley Walters of all people. Walters is almost always wrong, and rarely has good sources. Seriously. When was the last time that he broke ANY story.

So, I’d ignore this. Love will get a max contract. The only question will be the length, and it’ll probably be 5 yrs with an opt out after 3, requested by Love.

by sha sha on Jan 18, 2012 11:14 PM CST reply actions  

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