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Things unseen

We've been witnesses to some pretty bad basketball over the past few years. Ridiculous inbounds plays that seemed to be drawn in crayon, Jonny Hops, Brewsists, Darko Hooks, you name it.

Going back even further, it seems like ever since Sam Cassell started roaming into visiting locker rooms demanding a trade away from the good ship Timberwolf, that there has been a steady stream of ever-diminishing returns. Sam and Spree turned into Mike James and Ricky Buckets, who turned into McFoyo, who turned into the amazing David Kahn point guard carousel, who...

Over this sad stretch of basketball there have been moments of inspired play or a few highlights here and there, but there really hasn't been any sort of "oh yeah, they get it" or "this could work" moment that follows up the random great play or so-so stretch of action.

After spotting an awful Detroit Pistons squad a 16 point first half lead, Our Beloved Puppies came out from the break with purpose; playing inspired team ball that featured the first Kool Aid Oh Yeah! moment since the days of the WCF.

With 5:41 to go in the 4th Brandon Knight sank 2 free throws to bring the Pistons within a single point, at 80-81. Since the 10 minute mark of the quarter, both teams were keeping things tight--going back and forth with Detroit leaning on Ben Gordon and Tayshaun Prince, and Minny riding their workhorse Kevin Love along with a surprising bench effort led by Nikola Pekovic, Anthony Tolliver, and Wayne Ellington.

Following Knight's free throw Wayne Ellington shot down the lane for a one-handed flush. On the defensive end of the court, the Wolves were able to get Prince to take a mid-range jump shot that missed its mark. When the ball was tapped out to the perimeter Tolliver got his Creighton hustle on to get a wide open breakaway dunk.

The Pistons then brought the ball back up the court and the ball made its way into the hands of Jason Maxiell, who was, at the time, 2-8 from the line including an air ball.

Now, in past years, I would have expected nothing less than to watch Maxiell rise to the rafters and throw a deflating dunk down upon everybody in the arena. This would have been followed by a 10-0 Pistons run, and Kurt Rambis yelling something at Wes Johnson, benching Kevin Love, and/or putting his head in his hands to think about how he would much rather be in Santa Monica with Phil, Jeanie Buss and his wife, and how totally cool it would be for the Triangle Gang to hang out on the beach and talk about all sorts of Triangley things while reminiscing about how super neat it was to win all those rings, and.....ahhhhhh, memories.

We Wolves fans have been conditioned to expect these sorts of things. We've been trained to prepare for the worst. Maybe Darko would give a half-assed push that would bring about an and-one. Maybe Jonny would foul someone off the ball and turn it into a four point play. Whatever the case, the last thing a Wolves fan should expect in a situation where a terrible free throw shooter who is 2-8 on the night from the stripe has a path to the rim is for him to be fouled in a way to, you know, stop the shot and make him earn his points at the line.

In flew Ricky.

This drew an audible gasp among those of us watching the game at the Y.

"Did you see that?"

"When was the last time they did something they were supposed to?"

"That was better than the behind the back layup."

Yes. Yes it was.

Competence. Roll around in it. The majestic glory of people doing their f'ing job. This one's for you, McNulty.

This small moment, which led to a beautiful assist from Rubio to a wide-open Ellington for a 3 point basket that pushed the lead to 81-88, is a monument to the meeting of average expectations. It won't make any Top 10 play lists or the highlight reel, but it is the sexiest highlight the team has had in years.

Random thoughts:

  • There have been a lot of Pek-related rumors flying around lately about how Pek has been promised that he will be moved to a good team that will give him minutes. Now that Pek is healthy and able to not foul out before the end of the first quarter, he seems to be capable of providing the not-quite-as-horrible-as-the-starter production that could give the team quite a boost if he replaced the stunningly bad production of the current starter. If Pek and Martell Webster can step in and reduce the pain of Team Emo, the Wolves will be even more formidable.
  • Last night the Manther went up against Dwight. It was glorious. 11 points, 10 rebounds, and 4 blocks in 21 minutes.
  • Wes Johnson doubled his season FTA total last night by going 2-4 from the line. The TV broadcast made a big deal about how Wes is really frustrated with his shot and that the coaches are encouraging him to do more to focus on rebounding, defense, and driving to the rim. If only all of this wasn't so damn predictable it might be easier to swallow.
  • Ricky's shot was set to EuroLeague tonight and he more than made up for it by controling the 2nd half tempo while racking up 7 rebounds, 8 assists, and 6 steals. He's going to pop off a goofball triple double this year.
  • I love listening to the opposing team feed on Audio League Pass. One of the developing themes this season with the Wolves is that there is some serious villain potential at 600 First Avenue. Love whines and is starting to get calls, Rubio seems to have the sort of competitiveness disorder that we haven't seen in this town for a long time, Pekovic has the potential to dish out some fairly hefty fouls, Derrick Williams is going to posterize someone this year, Tolliver and Ellington hustle their asses of, JJ Barea is JJ Barea...it goes on and on and on. Tonight the Wolves ended the game by trying to set up Ricky Rubio for his ceremonial post-game ball toss. Tayshaun Prince and Ben Gordon were obviously perturbed by having to foul Wes Johnson and getting the ball stripped by Kevin Love when the game was effectively over. I've never rooted for a villain before but I really like my chances with this squad. They have some serious potential on that front.
Well folks, that about does it. A rough and tumble game that was ultimately won by the team who competently did their job when it mattered. That team is Our Beloved Puppies. Can you believe that?

Until later.

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I tuned in just before the half

(I was helping my brother build a BowFlex). The good guys were in a bad way and getting worse. I was despondent.

Then the third quarter happened and it seemed we were kicking ass, but it turned out we were just holding serve. Then in the fourth quarter we really did kick ass!

But Pek! And Wayne! I’ve been an irrational supporter of Pek since he hit the team. Partly because, as a large, brutish Slavic dude, he seemed like my soul-brother. But also because he wore number 14. My lucky number since I was a little kid and the number of my favorite baseball player of all time (Kent Hrbek, who batted left and threw right just like me (who knew that I’d get morbidly obese, just like him?)).

This game made me happy, and that’s all I care about.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 18, 2012 11:00 PM CST reply actions  

Also, I have to say . . .

great writeup. (Plus, this is the first I’ve heard of Pek-trade-rumors. They better be false.)

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 18, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the Pek trade rumors

were perpetuated by people assuming that since he was on the bench, he was maybe on the block. I said a bit of that, as did some others.

I don’t think I’ve actually seen any reports of Pek trade rumors outside of CH itself

Jonny "bag o' chips" Flynn is the GOAT

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 18, 2012 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Not on CH

Should have made that clearer. Little birdies and whatnot.

Follow @canishoopus

by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 18, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah

Well I hope Pek isn’t just trade-baiting out there, because I love watching him play

Jonny "bag o' chips" Flynn is the GOAT

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 18, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

The Godfather is huge

and he knows how to seal people off down low. A great offensive force if he stops the charges, moving screens and 3 seconds. Speaking of three seconds did anyone elses feed feature someone screaming “three seconds” everytime Pek established low post position? I wonder if the TWolves wouldn’t be wise to plant someone under the baskets just to yell at him in those situations. Now we just have to have him study at the Marc Gasol school for big white centers that don’t jump much in order to play some better help defense (his hand waving in Monroe’s face was excellent). I want to see him get some serious burn to find out exactly what we have.

Some other thoughts: The ball moved really really well last night even when Ricky wasn’t in, passing seems to be contagious and it’s a massive departure from years past.

Pek can shoot free throws.

I was very pleased with Wayne’s game. A lot of hustle, some good defense a timely three, the dunk(!) and a nice assist. That’s everything I want out of a backup shooting guard. If he can add a little bit of driving he could be a passable starter.

Wes played his best game of the season. I still don’t see the effort I would like to see on defense, but attacking the rim really seemed to build his confidence and he finally hit a three. Passing remains his great skill.

Tolliver – a big time hustle play and some defense, the man knows his role.

JJ Barea needs to learn Sam Cassells’ big ball dance. The man hit a huge 3 to spark us when we were shooting below 30%. He’s going to provide the 6th man instant offense that I’ve been hoping Beasley could provide.

Love … the man is a machine.

DWill – great aggression, I like him trying to posterize people though I’m still not sure where he fits into our lineup.

Ridnour – ugly shooting night but limited the turnovers. I can’t complain because we won!

Darko – you’ve got the skills I just don’t understand but you’re playing your way off this team.

Rubio – proving you can get it done without being able to shoot. I be he gets 3 triple doubles this year and at least once in his career has a quadruple double (pts, rebounds, steals & assists).

by zebano on Jan 19, 2012 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Can't tell from the game flow;

How did Monroe pick up his two quick PFs at the start of the game? Wes is the only starter getting free throws in the first quarter.

(The box score led me to wonder if Pekovic didn’t get his “big time” because Monroe needed to be muscled out late, is all.)

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 19, 2012 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Fighting for position with Love and going over Darko’s back on a rebound

by Jerwol on Jan 19, 2012 8:43 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 19, 2012 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

A Singularity

Rubio’s line last night has never happened before in NBA History.
9pts, 8assts, 7rebs, 6stls.

Que up the “Not like anybody else” clip.

Don Godofredo Montego de Montevideo

by godofredo on Jan 19, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Here's the Basketball Reference link

http://tinyurl.com/rubio-singularity
- As posted by @canishoopus on Twitter

Don Godofredo Montego de Montevideo

by godofredo on Jan 19, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

He's not getting a quadruple double.

You know how many times since 1985 a player has accumulated 10 steals in a game? 13.

The odds against Rubio combining a league-wide once-in-two-seasons anomaly with what would be, for him, a relatively rare 10 rebound game is astronomical.

by Ray Williams? on Jan 19, 2012 8:27 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And further more

I’m not gonna sit here and tell you that Ricky isn’t going to get a quintuple double… I just won’t

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

He is Ricky Rubio he isn't like other people

He had a 4 × 6 last night. With 6 in four catagories.

Maybe he gets a 5 × 5. Nobody has recorded a 5 × 5 in the NBA since 2006. Ricky with 5 blocks, I can see it.

by xraraavis on Jan 19, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Wrong 5's I can envision a few 5 X 6's over this career.

Points, free throw attempts, rebounds, steals, assists, turn overs, and personal fouls Book it!

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 19, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

CJ we are a lot alike

We have an irrational support of Pek, Bat left, throw right, and we both tuned in just before the half. However I was late because I was consummating my marriage.

Pek > "Demarcus Cousins"

by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 19, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm calling BS on that one.

I’ve been married for 12 years and I know for a fact that married people don’t have sex.

by DTrim on Jan 19, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Weird.

I was consummating my divorce.

(I don’t know what that means.)

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Are the Timberwolves porn?

Because with Ricky around, it’s hard to tell.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

And FYI

As one who’s been divorced, I am officially certified to make that joke. I’m in the club.

by Rodman99 on Jan 19, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

as am I...and I found it funny

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
If that doesn't work, cheat.

by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 20, 2012 6:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Surely there are sub-categories of porn involving both divorce and the Timberwolves.

(That’s my lasting impression of porn: the extreme categorization involved.)

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 19, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

You don't have to be getting a divorce to do that.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 19, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

but maybe you should be..?

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
If that doesn't work, cheat.

by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 20, 2012 6:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Off topic, but is anyone watching the Mavs Clips game?

Ric Bucher seems way out of it.

Anyways, nice writeup, nice win.

Jonny "bag o' chips" Flynn is the GOAT

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 18, 2012 11:01 PM CST reply actions  

that was some horrible sideline reporter

he sounded drunk and was stuttering like hell

Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second

by GWST11 on Jan 18, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

He has been like that all night

Just weird. Seems a little drunk to me as well

Jonny "bag o' chips" Flynn is the GOAT

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 18, 2012 11:08 PM CST up reply actions  

don't forget

the ridiculous foul to give moment by Wes/Rubio at the end of the first half… Wayne is probably 2 games away from starting the way he’s played recently and the way Wes has Wesed. But as has been mentioned before, I’m sure once he gets starters minutes, his effort shine will turn dull.

REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.

by uofmike on Jan 18, 2012 11:03 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

Wes

I know that Wes has struggled like no one’s business this year, but when good Wes (or at least palatable Wes) shows up (11 pt, 3 boards, 4-6 shoot WITH 4 FTA) he should get a good pat on the back.

by TwinATL on Jan 18, 2012 11:10 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

In a post with a theme of doing what should be expected...

…I’m not going to hand out that pat on the back. ;)

Follow @canishoopus

by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 18, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

The most dangerous steps of all

This will just prolong the inevitable stretching out of the minutes given to a player who doesn’t deserve them.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 18, 2012 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's see if this goes anywhere

Adelman and his assistants are real coaches. Maybe they’ve actually broken through to him a little bit. His shot selection was the best it’s been this year. I know you don’t think it’s possible. But with Lee and Webster still out, we have to give him minutes anyway. Might as well enjoy it.

by Cobra312004 on Jan 19, 2012 4:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Definitely... he's finding a niche

When he hit that three that was sweet. And his drives were great to see.

It’s been a brutal stretch but he’s showing signs.

by Rodman99 on Jan 18, 2012 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

well maybe

at least if he rises towards competence it will be enough to fool a competing GM to take a flyer on him as part of a wing package.

"Can someone please help me out, who did wolves pick, doesnt look too positive around here"

by Rasho Revolution on Jan 18, 2012 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

I was happy with Wes’ game overall, which may be a testament to how low his expectations have fallen. But I’ve never seen him so willing to drive. It wasn’t pretty but he did it. Practice makes perfect, better late than never, and all that. Who knows, maybe he’s turned a corner?

But worst case scenario, he puts up a couple decent games in a row and shows enough flash to draw good return in a trade.

by Cobra312004 on Jan 19, 2012 4:43 AM CST up reply actions  

The problem with wanting "a wing package" with Wes is that you have the natural question the other GM would ask.

That being, “Hey, if what you want is a promising wing, why the heck are you trying to deal me someone you’re pitching as a promising wing??”

Someone’s going to have to think he needs a change of scenery.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 19, 2012 8:30 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Which if you watched certain games, isn't out of the question

You know, if you’ve seen him drive, or look akward, or play some D. Just sayin, a GM who doesn’t have a great handle on advanced stats or hasn’t seen all the games could still see that lotto pick potential.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

True

But, I gotta believe MN’s graveyard status is being eviscerated this year. Which might make the change of scenery argument harder to make.

by whistle_this on Jan 19, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

What do you say to yourself as that GM?

“He’d be able to get his game going if they had a decent point gu….”
“What he needs is the ball in his hands….”
“Their coach is running stuff that can’t get him his sorts of….”

The natural rationalizations are all blowing off like dust in the stiff wind outside this morning.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 19, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Ya

My train of thought extends more to last season that this one.

But, feral, what you said, there is every option for him to succeed (or play decent) this year. I know the early returns have been limited, but there have been a few things that looked promising. We are obviusly passed thinking he can be a full time starter, or a dynamic wing, but with his scaled back role, there is a chance for him to be productive.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

A few things will always look promising

That is why he was drafted by Kahn. He looks like he should be the bee’s knees. The shot is pretty, he’s long and bouncy, yada, yada, yada. They can play someone like Wayne in a “scaled back role” and get better production for less money off the books. Cut bait as early as possible. The chances of him playing his way back to even Corey Brewer levels are slim. (BTW: How good would Brew look on this team right now?)

Follow @canishoopus

by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Brew and Wes are Yin and Yang.

One’s too active and visible, forcing everything; the other’s inactive and invisible, drifting along.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 19, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

It is kind of weird...

…how once Brewer was put around good players and a really good point guard (first Kidd, now Lawson), he’s a pretty decent player.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

He's also not playing his position with a total lack of structure around him.

A player who shouldn’t have been asked to embody Zen during play, for sure.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 19, 2012 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Back then I always said he was "disruptive" first and foremost.

Unfortunately that was true of him on both ends. Corey’s play here was all about shaking things up; he was the embodiment of change. Every play was an adventure, never the same river twice, and like that.

You don’t start players whose main value is shaking up whatever continuity is happening out there. You put them in for a jolt of electricity from the bench. (To a lesser extent this is how I feel about Ridnour’s point guard responsibilities. He has some positives, Luke, but as a PG proper he’s unsettling. Use him when you don’t like where things have settled, then.)

Corey could be the real NBA version of The Fun Police. When the game’s adrift, get in there Corey! Do something nuts.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 19, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

The other thing I liked about Brewer

is he truly sprinted down the floor. We have a lack of guys that can transition quickly to the other end. He’d be fun to watch in spurts with Rubio.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 19, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I've thought for a while that Brewer

could be a useful player, as long as he doesn’t have to create any offense for himself.

by mr. eggplant on Jan 19, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I always liked Brewer...

I know that Ailuridae in particular hated his game and thought that he had no chance to ever contribute, but he would be very useful on this team.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 19, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

He may look a lot less exposed off the bench, behind a Webster. Or an Ellington.

You look at what Xavier Henry just fetched, though, and it looks like Wes would be a “We’ll take a flyer on him as art of the package” sort of a trade commodity.

The New Orleans Hornets acquired second-year shooting guard Xavier Henry from the Memphis Grizzlies in exchange for a future second-round pick, league sources confirmed Wednesday morning.
The trade was part of a three-team deal that had the Grizzlies acquiring Philadelphia 76ers center Marreese Speights.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 19, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Indeed

But maybe the scenery is changing just enough right here to make Wes a playable player? Still not sold, but if there is a perfect place for him to get a chance, it’s right here. (don’t tell other GMs that.)

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

This.

Unfortunately, is truth. Not that I harbor any feelings of hope that wes will suddenly learn how to dribble, become tougher, and/or become a confident shooter. Maybe if he flashed a smile at his opponents before the shot attempt, the insanely high wattage would cause spontaneous blindess in a 3’ radius around him. Doesn’t mean he’s going to make an open shot but DAMN that would be cool to see.

by whistle_this on Jan 19, 2012 8:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll take

A 12+ PER with a win share around 0.1 and above average D.

by fan44 on Jan 18, 2012 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not ready to say we peformed competantly at the end

Because we left with door wide open for a competent team to steal this game when we couldn’t buy a bucket after going up by eight… but I nitpick. We’ve got some heart, and I’m loving every minute of it.

Adelman is working his magic. Every player out there seemed contribute. A very balanced box score.

by Rodman99 on Jan 18, 2012 11:10 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

this team is awefully close

to being 8-6 or with some breaks even 9-5. Last season was a completely lost season. Players are getting individual development and confidence.

I’ve said it before. There’s a reckoning coming.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 18, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd it

Your boy is getting some burn lately, and he’s not looking too bad.

I can’t help but smile every time they show him close up.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 18, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

We need to make a video compilation.

I don’t know bad pop songs so much. What tune? How many clips of Pekovic flattening guards can we find? The DMC shove, of course. What else?

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 19, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I am looking forward to it.

We’ve still got some end of the tight games against a good team growing pains to deal with. But it seems like guys are finding there roles and growing together. Plus it seems like we have some great chemistry.

by Rodman99 on Jan 18, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I see the chemistry most on defense

This team is really clamping down…And you see it with every single player giving an A-level effort. Offensively we have yet to see Adelman’s corner offense really produce much. Almost everything is out of the pick and roll. I think that’s why he’s gone to Pekovic more lately. He badly needs someone that can get us some easy buckets in the post when things aren’t happening with the PnR.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 19, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Other way around...

pretty sure we were the team that stole the game. Had no business winning it after the first 3 quarters.

by Daize on Jan 18, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

What's gonna happen to our rotation once Big Easy and Webster come back? We already

have a quite healthy 11 man rotation. Can’t play all 13 in a game. But then who should be out of rotation from the current squad? The weakest link seems to be Darko, but then I assume a team would need 2 healthy centers in the rotation. All the other subs+Wes seem to be playing quite well and comfortable.

by bluedevil_unicorno on Jan 18, 2012 11:16 PM CST reply actions  

Not to mention Brad Miller

I hope he’s got a little left in the tank, he’ll be our best center real quick.

by Rodman99 on Jan 18, 2012 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

And the one who is too meek to ask

Is the one we need to deal. I’m looking directly at someone in particular.

You can't...dust...for vomit.

by twinstalker on Jan 18, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I really hope they don't trade Pek

he can be a very effective back up Center, come in provide instant offense, provide intimidation and soke up some fouls to slow down the other team a little, then when he gets up there in fouls, put the starter back in. if he can provide us 20 min a night then he is doing a good job.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 18, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

This

Would really hate to see him go. I’d take Pek over Darko 10 nights outta 10. And over Ant 7 nights outta 10.

I watch this team, and i care so much, simply because i can’t not. It’s just a part of who i am..

by Love4MVP on Jan 19, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Even if Pek isn't on he's still super fun to watch

When he makes mistakes its like watching a big teddy bear mess up, you just can’t get angry

90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 19, 2012 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I haven't started to get mad at him yet

He gets so many illegal screen calls simply cuz guys try to slide off him which is just impossible. If you hit any part of him you bounce off with tremendous force.

One thing I noticed at the game tonight: watch Pek when a shot goes up, he immediately looks for his man and boxes him out. Then he looks for the board, which is often already grabbed by Love, but that works out perfectly, and how many guys actually do that these days?

Just really hope he stays…

I watch this team, and i care so much, simply because i can’t not. It’s just a part of who i am..

by Love4MVP on Jan 19, 2012 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I was going to say something, but I didn't want to jinx anything,

but there will be a time and a place where he is asked to do just such a thing :)

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 19, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

What is the penalty

for death by punch?

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

fists of trained boxers are considered to be

deadly weapons, so …

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 19, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I might

have to watch that show. It looks just goofy enough.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:36 AM CST up reply actions  

This...

Last night I was thinking “if he could just punch Tayshaun in the face… we would win by 25.”

by bringbackbrewer on Jan 19, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

so, there needs to be a " Peking order "

Who are the top ten players we’d like to see Pek lay the lumber to?
start with Bynum?

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Good question

You obviously have Bynum, Boogie and Howard. I’d personally keep Boogie on the top of the list, I really like the budding fued.

After that, I’m up for anything. Maybe setting a hard bone-rattling screen on a player like Rudy Fernandez would be gratifying…

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

has got to be Bynum

after all the League has already said muggings involving him are not suspendable offenses.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 19, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Only reason for Howard is the Superman vs. Non thing. My ten:

Bynum.
Anderson Varejao. And Joakim Noah. In one punch, somehow.
DMC can just shove Pekovic and knock himself off the court.
KG will punch Pekovic in some sort of practice setting, injuring his fist.
Cap’n Jack. Please.
Carmelo Anthony needs his upper lip knocked clean.
The Birdman.
D12 is a big kid, he’s no villain, but okay.
Laimbeer. We missed our chance! They can do it playing “Combat Basketball,” though.

Not quite making my cut:
Whichever Wizards flake you don’t like. (They’re all on a free pass with me after the OKC win.)
Kendrick Perkins.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 19, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Peking order?

Does that come with egg rolls?

by Grover M on Jan 19, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

not egg rolls

Pick and rolls

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

and yes

The “duck” is recommended.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually

Duck is what you’d be well advised to do if you wound up on the Balkan Bulldozer’s hit list.

by DTrim on Jan 19, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

that was actually the double entendre I was shooting for.

Sadly, no one thinks I’m bright enough to have meant it that way.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

this statement is no longer true

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

There will be more injuries

I really don’t think playing time will be too much of a problem. Other guys, unfortunately, are bound to get injured or these players will get re-injured. The NBA produces a rash of injuries to begin with, mostly to big men, but this year no one is being spared.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 19, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

did you see the SportsScience clip

where Kevin Love collected a rebound while boxing out a Sumo wrestler? while it looked cool, lets hope love never needs to box out a 400 lb guy in an actual game.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 18, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Depressing

followed by more depressing.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Eddy Curry..

….Eddie Griffin (RIP), Marc Blount, Mike James, Ricky Davis, Antoine Walker…they’ve had some interesting people come through the doors over the past few years.

Follow @canishoopus

by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 12:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Also..

..let’s not forget the game-thrower, Mark Madsen.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 12:06 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Cherokee Parks?

Stojko Vrankovic. Paul Grant.

The list is mind-numbing.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Luc Longley

has to be near the top of the list, right? How crazy is that? Was he any better than Darko?

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm partial to Rasho Nesterovic

Sadly, he’s probably one of the better centers in Wolves history

by caspnasty on Jan 19, 2012 8:07 AM CST up reply actions  

how do we go this far down the crazy chain

without mentioning top 5 draft picks Rider and Laettner

by Mark Blunt on Jan 19, 2012 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Ryan Hollins

(His favorite color is “clear”)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

John Thomas

(oi, the list of bad Wolves big men is…well, big)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 12:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I remember Trevor Winter's first game for the Gophers...

…“oh, he’s so tall and big, heyyy, maybe he’s gonna be something specia-” and then they passed him the ball. :(

If only Shikenjanski’s skills were in Winter’s body.

by Django Z on Jan 19, 2012 4:15 AM CST up reply actions  

..and earned five fouls playing...

against Shaq and the Lakers in a game televised on TNT.

by Smilin' Carl on Jan 19, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish I could remember who it was,

but there was a Euro big man a few years ago who, when he was asked what his favorite food was, replied, “Soup.”

WTF?

I can’t find it anywhere, and it absolutely killed me.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Igor Rakocevic!!!??

Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second

by GWST11 on Jan 19, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget #5 pick Mike Miller

It’s called basketball, James Naismith invented it. (Still the best Wolves quote in recent memory.)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

We're all the way down here with no mention of...

McCants or Marbury?
Frightening.

He who rides a wolf cannot dismount.

by CaliWolf on Jan 19, 2012 1:11 AM CST up reply actions  

and the man who started it all

Rick Mahorn.

Oh wait…

Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.

by nodnarb on Jan 19, 2012 1:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Grrrr.

Pek will kill him.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 2:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Kevin McHale was

OBSESSED w/ Lang when we got him. I think he was the original “lunch pail” guy if memory serves.

by rattfink on Jan 19, 2012 5:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Steve Johnson?

"Deserve ain't got nothin' to do with it."
-- W. Munney (1992) / Snoop (2008)

by ol' weird harold on Jan 19, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

+1 for game-thrower

Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control

by littleboxes on Jan 19, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I did...

and it was impressive… but I am really not sold until I can see love successfully sace-up and make a shot against the thousand-hand slap.

by vjl110 on Jan 18, 2012 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

It looks like the blonde guy tore Honda's arm off

I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.

by ArchAngel79 on Jan 18, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah . . .

that doesn’t look comfortable for blue-pants.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 18, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, yes, yes!

Favorite tweet of the night.

I only ever want the Wolves to draft 5th.

by BrettAhlgren on Jan 19, 2012 8:40 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

P.S. on Detroit Bad Boys' Game Preview:
Ahhh to be a Timberwolves fan. Despite a long stretch of difficult years, the Wolves are finally on their way out of the slums. They’ve got (arguably) the best big man in the NBA, an impressive pass-first point guard, a promising rookie and a collection of surprisingly effective role players filling out the roster. Believe it or not, David Kahn has assembled a real basketball team— and if they win tonight, they’ll be just two games behind .500 basketball.

How long has it been since any fan base has been envious of ours? That’s an awesome thing to see.

by LoveTo on Jan 18, 2012 11:19 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

They've even been

actively coveting Pek recently. SO THEY ARE DEAD TO ME!

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 18, 2012 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

that is too funny =)

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 19, 2012 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Especially

when thy neighbor is me!

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I happen to think that both of mine are quite nice

no need to show favorite’s here by selecting only one of them.

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
If that doesn't work, cheat.

by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 20, 2012 6:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know about that.

isn’t Kahn responsible for every one but Love and Pek on this roster? He traded for Millicic, Webster, Miller, Randolph and Beas. Drafted Lee, DWill, Rubio, Wes and the Duke, and he signed Ridnour and Berrea as FA. And while he didn’t draft Pek, he did get him to sign a contract to be a back up on a bad team, when he was a starting star back home. I am not Kahn’s biggest fan, but let’s refrain from telling lies and being slanderous.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 18, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Now that it looks like we'll start winning...

the issue of who in the front office does or doesn’t get credit seems like the least interesting thing in the world.

by LoveTo on Jan 18, 2012 11:46 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Don't get me wrong,

I don’t think Kahn has done all that great of a job, but to say that he didn’t have any thing to do with assembling this roster when only 2 of the players on the roster where not drafted, traded for or signed as FA by Kahn is disingenuous at best. In fact, his responsibility for this roster is the largest basis for the basis for not liking him as our GM.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 18, 2012 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed, basically.

I’m just really hoping the board doesn’t get into a bunch of arguments about whether Kahn should get credit when we eventually get good. I just don’t think it matters.

by LoveTo on Jan 19, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh...

…it will get there. Kahn’s media training isn’t going to keep him from saying something to set off that ticking bomb before it is all said and done with.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Discussing players rather than decision makers?

I’m quite glad this isn’t full of Ronzone and Cho and such.

by jfthomas on Jan 19, 2012 12:19 AM CST up reply actions  

yea,

I added the slander part to be humorous, but intonations don’t always come across the cold type face of a computer (or smart phone) screen.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 18, 2012 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

also,

I am fairly tired so my typing may be coming across as more harsh tonight then I am intending them too.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 19, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

HIS POINT

STILL SLANDS?

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Well,

you haven’t been sleeping much . . .

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, CJ...

Jonesy’s lack of sleep is “libel” to impair his humor judgment a little.

OK, you’re right – that was a reach! ;)

"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson

by SoDakHmr on Jan 19, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Still . . . at least a little funny.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

this game kind of reminded

me, of how other teams (good teams that is) used to play us last year, coast through the first 3 quarters, even trail at the half, then suddenly get serious and go on a run or two and come a way with the easy victory. I kind of like that we feel confident that we can close and overtake bad teams with confidence.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 18, 2012 11:24 PM CST reply actions  

Canis Hoopus FAQ: Manther: As it is referenced to in this post game wrap-up

I hate for this to be my first post on the legendary CH site, but it is what it is…

I had to search the Fanpost link, to find the Canis Hoopus FAQ, to understand what the 2nd bullet point meant in SnP’s excellent and dramatic post game thread meant when he referenced “Manther.”

For faithful readers like me (~3-4 years), and fans (who attended many pup games in the Metrodome like myself) who haven’t yet downloaded their CH Translation app from the Apple Store to their Trichorder (sp?), I fully endorse having some sort of sticky link to the Canis Hoops FAQ (maybe near our beloved Koren cookbook?) so bumbleheads like myself can easily refer to it when necessary, rather than having to go through the laborious effort of clicking 2 or more links to get to my desired destination.

After all, clicking 2 links in this ADHD world is such a monumental task that it needs to be simplified to 1 clicky link on the main page.

Thank you for your attention to this post, but I must attend to re-arranging my DVD collection by font color, then by font size. % (btw, I knew what % meant w/out having to go the FAQ)

by Skat the Rat on Jan 18, 2012 11:57 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Prayers answered!

I’ve made the FAQ sticky and put it in the sidebar:

http://www.canishoopus.com/pages/official-canis-hoopus-faq

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 18, 2012 11:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow, I'm honored...

..that during my time re-heating my homemade chicken noodle soup, someone responded to my post, and that it actually altered the future course of CH front page clicky-link history.

Yeah – I maybe bit off more than I can chew. That’s what happens when one has an overbite. Still, I’m a agog by the response and action.

Unfortunately its all downhill for me from here on out as far as joining the CH community, as I doubt every future post of mine will result in a new sticky!

by Skat the Rat on Jan 19, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

quick while teh fire is hot

ask for the draft, cap and euro watch pages to get a refresh!

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 19, 2012 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Ummm.. I'll try...

Oh dear Draft Gods, please allow our potential 1st round pick that the Jazz owes us to come to fruition this year. Thoust shall grant us thine pick due to conference seedings. And thy pick shall grant us a boon.

Almighty Cap Gods, I ask that you shall grant wisdom to the CapMasters to have divine foresight into whatever movement it takes to assemble a league best talent vs salary ratio.

Eternal Euro-, uh, -People or -Uberites, let our Euro people that we have overseas, uh, do good, kick ass, and um, make them come join the Pups over here and pwn the noobs.

by Skat the Rat on Jan 19, 2012 12:25 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Not quite what he was referencing,

but yeah I hope all that fun stuff happens.

by JopeX37 on Jan 19, 2012 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I figured that those pages would get a refresh

and\or clicky-link with significant movement on those fronts.

Then again, its entirely possible I didn’t get the reference until someone had to poke me in my eye with it due to the quantity of fermented beverage consumption that I accidentally tripped on this fine evening.

by Skat the Rat on Jan 19, 2012 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Welcome...

..and I was wondering when Ink Master is on.
Could we get a page banner, a few side banners and throw in a few framed banners too?

by Boss10 on Jan 19, 2012 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Awesome

90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 19, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

need to add

Brewsist, Jonny Hop, and Darko Hook

by Mark Blunt on Jan 19, 2012 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for stickying it SnP - perfect

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Jan 19, 2012 1:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Welcome

Surprised when ppl who like to write read this site for years before commenting. Like reading the mattress tag together with your date.

by fanslaststand on Jan 19, 2012 1:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I read the mattress tag all the time!

without a date though..

Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second

by GWST11 on Jan 19, 2012 1:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I for one

Have been reading the site for years and rarely comment. It seems that everything I’d want to contribute has previously been expressed by others… and in a much better way.

by Vandelay Ind. on Jan 19, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

somebody very eloquently said that exact same thing the other day

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Eloquently

That was the word I was looking for.

by Vandelay Ind. on Jan 19, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

on a serious note

Its good to read perspective from others. The redundancy here is because the same ol folks are saying the same ol things. Good to here some new folks, even if they say the same ol things. I’ll bet you’ve got some interesting perspective so hopefully we’ll hear more from you.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

hear, hear

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Good catch!

And finally a correct “hear, hear!” (Too many “here heres” for my liking.)

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Also,

it can be funny sometimes to see how poll results differ from the overall tenor of the comments. Methinks there must be lurkers who have something to add to the discussion.

by Madison Dan on Jan 19, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I’ll change my new year’s resolution from losing more weight to commenting with much higher frequency on CH. Also, I’ll avoid sentences that semi-rhyme.

by Vandelay Ind. on Jan 19, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Good idea

Those two might have a reverse corellation

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

im always shocked at the volume of votes

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

A few things

As I’ve mentioned, I live in Kansas City and have League Pass. I’ve watched every game. I was back in Mpls. last weekend and was as irritated as everyone else that the games weren’t televised. I hope the team has started responding to some of the emails this community sent them.

Also, I’m nearly as obsessed with Pek as Cynical Jason is. We will absolutely see him getting a five game suspension in the next couple years for knocking out an opposing big. It wouldn’t shock me if he was deported for it.

by Vandelay Ind. on Jan 19, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

see now thats good stuff.

(Jason I told you you’d make new friends this year!)

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I appreciate

your faith in my social skills.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't talk to me.

You’re nearly as scary as the Bulldozer

by Vandelay Ind. on Jan 19, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Well,

I’m almost as heavy, but nowhere near as tall.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Lol

Good point by Vandelay though, there is so much content here, and so many good commentors… you can lurk for a long time.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, some of us pick our spots to comment

but we’re ALWAYS here….

"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"

by Steven Ellingson on Jan 19, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

There are droves of lurkers

Been lurking for many years and a T-wolves fan from the start. CH has some awesome commentary.

by Stabby Stabby on Jan 19, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

My strategy

is too either repeat the same take 1000 times, or present really bad trade ideas.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

hmmm

as long as the bad trade ideas are bad for the other team, it’s ok.

by zebano on Jan 19, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Wes for D12

straight up!

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

F that!

They need to throw in an unprotected future first rounder.

Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.

by nodnarb on Jan 19, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Recently overheard in Kahn's mind

“Could I swap Love for Howard? We’d be unstoppable! But what if they said no? It’d leak out to the press. It always leaks out. Then Love would hate me even more than he does now. Don’t call! Don’t even think about it!

But that’s my job! I have to. It’s due diligence. Maybe they’d go for it. But it’d get back to Love. What should I do, what should I do?"

by Rodman99 on Jan 19, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

But here is the question

Would you trade Love for Howard straight up (if it would work money-wise)?

I’m tempted… not many people I would trade Love for… the offense would be a decrease, the rebounding similar, but the defense would be a huge boost.

Guess it probably depends on who else we can put around him.

This I do believe though, Howard can’t be the 1A star for a team, he needs a sidekick.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Looks as harmless as, say...

a certain killer rabbit.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish I was better at the internet thing..

…but on my wall currently resides an image quite similar to the above with the caption underneath:

“Kitten thinks of nothing but murder all day.”

Which is entirely true, and is somehow fitting.

by bustaone on Jan 19, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

And that won't be easy.

We have a lot of hands. And we’re not afraid of cold.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

*to

And I have noticed that as well. Paul George something something, Wes is getting better something something, trade/don’t trade d-will, … and there was one more… nope, drawing a blank. probably something to do with evan turner.

by bustaone on Jan 19, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

If you are referencing the repeating the same take angle

in regards to myself the Wes J aspect is a little off.

I like to point out when he does play well, or what aspects of his game work in a particular game (Like I felt he had a very solid, off the ball game vs Sac) but I don’t really sing his praises.

ET I’d take in a second, especially since he might be gettable.

Harden, would probably be the one big take of mine you are missing. Big Harden fan, think he’s a star in the making. I’d trade DWill and 10 picks for him. He and Rubio would massacre the league for 10 years in the back court together

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I am a big fan of Hardens too,

I really wanted us to draft him. I really wish OKC had taken ’reek and sactown taken Flynn. then we could have had one of the greatest drafts of all time.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 19, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

no kidding

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
If that doesn't work, cheat.

by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 20, 2012 6:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Well what had to happen

cause there was no chance OKC was taking Reek

was they needed to think that Steph Curry was the right choice.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 20, 2012 7:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately

I am not as smart and witty as most of the regular commenters, nor am I as ignorant as many of the trolls that pass through here. Therefore, I lurk (and lurk, and lurk). BTW, I have memorized my mattress tag.

by Smilin' Carl on Jan 19, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec for realization of mediocrity

I know that feel, bro

90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 19, 2012 7:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Excellent work on Monroe

2 fouls in the first 3 minutes and fouled out with 3 minutes left. 28 minutes in a game in a game that was hanging in the balance for the majority. Maxiel played 23, by comparison.

by Mark Blunt on Jan 19, 2012 12:06 AM CST reply actions  

Wait....long 2's?

Was Beasley playing for them tonigh?

I watch this team, and i care so much, simply because i can’t not. It’s just a part of who i am..

by Love4MVP on Jan 19, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

if not we might be able to fix

Beasley for Monroe =)

Actually how good would Prince look on our team right now.

by zebano on Jan 19, 2012 7:55 AM CST up reply actions  

This...

Tayshaun should be perfect. Great defense with a guy who can shit in the flow of the offense.

by bringbackbrewer on Jan 19, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I don't like the idea of someone

shitting in the flow of the offense.

That might even be offensive, to some.

by bustaone on Jan 19, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

lets consult with

Dr. defecate on the matter.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Laughing.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

If the good doctor is busy

let me volunteer my services. There is absolutely nothing offensive about shitting in the flow, especially if the flow is in a rotation in a porcelain receptacle. Shitting against the flow however, is quite offensive!

2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?

by Dogpile on Jan 19, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Brilliant writeup

This line is art:

“Competence. Roll around in it. The majestic glory of people doing their f’ing job.”

I am going to steal the ‘roll around in it’ thing in my work, just so you know. I intend it as flattery.

by shanusmagnus on Jan 19, 2012 12:22 AM CST reply actions  

I dunno if that's for the best

We’ve been rolling around in some stuff for the past few years, and it sure wasn’t competence.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 19, 2012 1:44 AM CST up reply actions  

"Competence. Roll around in it. The majestic glory of people doing their f’ing job."

The tag line would good on one of those Motivational Business Posters, perhaps Two Pigs in Coitus (forgive the imagery)

Chazz Reinhold: Mom?? MOM!! What is she doing back there? I never know what she's doing.

by Son of Gerald Green on Jan 19, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha!

Now whenever Pek does anything right I’ll think to myself, that was pretty, pretty, pretty good.

by JopeX37 on Jan 19, 2012 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

pritay, pritaaaaaaay

90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 19, 2012 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

how did AB do tonight?

I saw him in the Dario picture.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 12:38 AM CST reply actions  

So Wayne

is going the Elmer Fudd woute?

Alwight.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 1:24 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

So Pek started the 3rd quarter

How long until he is starting in the first quarter?

I think Adelman is just about done putting up with Darko’s moody shtick. Pek may get called for a moving screen every game, and he can’t rebound well, but he can score in the post, make free throws, and hustles like crazy. I’ll take that.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Jan 19, 2012 1:34 AM CST reply actions  

Seconded.

He scores as well as anyone on the low block, and that’s an upgrade, isn’t it? He played some kind of defense, too.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 1:52 AM CST up reply actions  

He needs to rebound on both ends of the floor.

Until he does his game is flawed.

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 19, 2012 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Useful, but flawed.

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 19, 2012 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

4PF in 24 minutes yesterday

That’s 1 every 6 minutes so we should get approximately 36 minutes out of him… Not quite RR/KL territory but I’ll take it

by zebano on Jan 19, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

It's okay if he fouls out so long as he puts a near equal number of fouls on the opposing bigs.

Pek hits his free throws. I think his job should be to put fouls on the opponents best bigs and limit turnovers.

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 19, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

PS: Rubio's shot was obviously off

But his D was outstanding. These weren’t the Alan Iverson steals, where you gamble for the steal instead of playing decent man defense. He goes down in the paint, reads where the next pass is going to be, and steps in. Or sneaks in with the bigs and just takes it away. Really fun to watch. SnP referred to one case and there were others this game.

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by Wile E Coyote on Jan 19, 2012 1:36 AM CST reply actions  

Rubio is completely badass.

He doesn’t rest. Not at any point when he’s on the floor. When he’s out there, someone is suffering. He is suffocating people.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 1:54 AM CST up reply actions  

He plays D like Rondo or Kidd

Freaky basketball IQ and never stops playing. I noticed it a lot more when I went to a game (my TV isn’t hi-def, or very large), but any time he can sniff out where the other team wants to go with the ball, he’s not going to let it happen easily, he’s going to disrupt the timing and rhythm if he can. I also love the little trick he does of jumping in front of the opposing PG in the backcourt when they’re trying to ignite a break. He’ll snuff it out before it can even get started.

It’s sounds crazy, but I think he’s nearly the same sort of savant on D as he is with the passing game.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 19, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

His work in the passing lanes is uncanny. Sixth-sense like.

by whistle_this on Jan 19, 2012 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

the thing I've noticed is he'll completely take the ball out of the

opposing point guards hands. He’ll make someone else bring the ball up and by the time they pass off to the point guard past half court there’s only around 12 seconds left on the shot clock. This gives us a huge edge and I’m guessing its a good part of why our defense has improved so much.

by Bad News Wolves on Jan 19, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep

He’s constantly trying to keep the other team away from whatever they’re trying to get into, always disrupting the rhythm and flow of the opposing offense.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 19, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay
always disrupting the rhythm and flow of the opposing offense

but is he shitting in it?

by dropstep on Jan 19, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

that’s another question for the good doctor.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 19, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

runnerup for player of game has to go to Absence of Beasley.

Absence of Beasley’s time in the game really helped improve the passing flow.

The help-defense was also (somewhat) more on display because of Absence of Beasley’s efforts.

Though Absence of Beasley has been playing more because of circumstances beyond his control, I do hope Adelman rewards Absence of Beasley and gives him more minutes in the future.

by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 19, 2012 1:41 AM CST reply actions  

I feel a little bad for the dude.

The team is really starting to come together – without him. And, as others have noted, he does seem to be trying some out-of-character things this year: applying himself on defense, passing more within the offense (granted, with frustratingly mixed results).
He does seem to be a good teammate. That said, it really does just comes down to wins.

by Boss10 on Jan 19, 2012 2:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Everyone feels bad for Bease.

It’s just more difficult make resistance.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 2:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Also--

hopefully the team can beat something other than a bottom-feeder once he’s healed. Defeating the Wizards, No-Gordon Hornets, Kings and Pistons isn’t exactly a telling sign of the team “coming together” after they smoked the Mavs and Spurs in recent consecutive games with Mike in the lineup.

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by Andy G on Jan 19, 2012 7:00 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Indeed

Start with beating the bad teams

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Very true.

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by Andy G on Jan 19, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Ya, but I think it is less coming together because of his absence

And more because of the time spent together. With no training camp and a shortened pre-season, it’s all about minutes spent on the court together. If Beas was in we would still be looking good, maybe better. Adelman is a coaching genuis, getting us to play D, pass the ball (Rubio helps), and run good sets. It was all just a matter of time.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 7:56 AM CST up reply actions  

i think Beast has incredible individual talents

but like Rubio he too possesses the rare ability to make his teammates better. And that sadly, is what you’re witnessing.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Man, this is just not funny

Rooting against a guy ON YOUR OWN TEAM? The nerve…

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 7:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Let's not forget the reality of our roster.

We actually need minutes from Beasley(gasp!).

I’m not happy about it, but ’tis true.

by whistle_this on Jan 19, 2012 8:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd be curious to know what Love's FG% and PPP is since Beasley went out

My theory is that Beasley’s high usage allowed Love to get easier looks, especially on the offensive glass. That doesn’t make up for all of Beasley’s empty possessions. But it does reinforce the need for a higher usage and at least semi-efficient wing on the roster.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 19, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Re: Nicknames

Not only did Wayne tweet with the hashtag #makeitwayne (mentioned above), but Jim Pete broke out “the Balkan Bulldozer” during the game tonight. Sweet!

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Jan 19, 2012 2:00 AM CST reply actions  

If Jim Pete posted on this site

It would be amazing

90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 19, 2012 2:09 AM CST up reply actions  

For some time now

I’ve theorized that ChuckD was really Jim Pete.

Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!

by TMiss on Jan 19, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

J Pete is MAYNHOLUP.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Man holla up!

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn

I’ve been pronouncing it wrong in my head all this time. I was thinking more like Man Hold Up.

(hangs head ashamedly)

Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!

by TMiss on Jan 19, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that was my point.

JPete was so awkwardly wrong I laugh every time I hear it.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Fantastic clip.. I remember when it was on the front page here.

And it’s just as awesome and hilarious.
“manholup is always coming around the chats and asking what’s poppin.. He’s a great basketball mind, I love that dude.” (paraphrased)

by bustaone on Jan 19, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I pronounce it "Maine Hole Up!"

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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 19, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Me too.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

me three.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 19, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

At first

I always associated it with Shelly’s Manhole. Not sure if many is a jazz fan though.

"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)

by uncle rico on Jan 20, 2012 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

You beat me to it

They can’t be the same person.

(This needs to go on the FAQ page)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Too awesome!

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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 19, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

That's ridiculous

Everyone knows Maynholup is a 14 year old kid who lives in Edina.

by Rodman99 on Jan 19, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah, he recently moved to Cali

Although I believe he used to lived in SoMpls, within delivery distance of Gandhi Mahal (a pretty small geographic area).

by PDGirl on Jan 19, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

maynholup is way too cool to be from edina.

by bustaone on Jan 19, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, goodness.

Now I want Indian food. Desperately.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe I can live vicariously . . .

Did you get channa masala? Baigan bartha? Palak paneer?

This isn’t working. I’m skipping work tomorrow so I can get Indian.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Dill E Dildar with lamb, and some dal soup. Plus, leftovers for lunch tomorrow.

(Why do you have to skip work in order to get Indian food?)

by PDGirl on Jan 19, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't *have* to,

but my craving is hitting epic proportions, and the eating might take hours.

There was an Indian place in Norman, OK (the Himalayas) that had an incredible buffet. I’d eat four or five plates every time we went there. (Wait. How’d I hit 290 pounds again?)

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Get some for dinner tomorrow

then you have something to look forward to, and then leftovers for late-night munchies during the game.

by PDGirl on Jan 19, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

You're right.

Indian on the way home. I’ll probably let all of my classes out early in anticipation . . .

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

You two should have your own cartoon.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

CH needs a pin or gang sign

or something so we can recognize each other when we’re out in public. I’d recomment that we all get a tattoo like Pek’s except that doesn’t work so well in the winter or for the bicepsially challenged.

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by TMiss on Jan 19, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I just want to say...

the Wolves have a better record than the Boston Celtics.

by Flip Situp on Jan 19, 2012 2:10 AM CST reply actions  

And a better

Age range and better Spaniard and better Kevin. Real-time Kevin, that is.

You can't...dust...for vomit.

by twinstalker on Jan 19, 2012 5:41 AM CST up reply actions  

View from Detroit rather dour on Rubio and Love
Rookie point guard Ricky Rubio brought the crowd to its feet with some fancy play and although Kevin Love (20 points, 17 rebounds) missed 13 of his 20 shots, he did just enough to prevent the Pistons from winning.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120118/SPORTS0102/201180436/1127/SPORTS0102/Pistons-run-out-gas-fourth-quarter-fall-Timberwolves

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by Wile E Coyote on Jan 19, 2012 8:26 AM CST reply actions  

Goofy stat watch:

Pek has 61 minutes and zero defensive rebounds.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 8:29 AM CST reply actions  

The dude is a really bad rebounder

Not sure if it is the short arms or lack of lift.

Lately he has taken to batting the ball backwards in the hope that a Wolves guard will get it. Works occasionally.

PS: that is not to say I’d prefer the rebounding marvel that is Darko. Pek can still have all of Darko’s minutes.

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by Wile E Coyote on Jan 19, 2012 8:32 AM CST up reply actions  

"Not sure if it is the short arms or lack of lift"

Maybe both. But those factors don’t seem to matter as much on the offensive glass. Weird.

by whistle_this on Jan 19, 2012 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Cause Love has short arms and not much lift

And we all know Pek is mighty strong. I would assume it’s just positioning, that’s really all rebounding is.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

oversimplified

Positioning, anticipation, probability. Great rebounders rebound out of their own space. Watching the flight of the ball and knowing probable caroms is huge. It is well beyond mechanics.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

He likes to spend a little extra time at the other basket, is the problem.

Year | ORB% DRB%
2011 | 11.0% | 13.2%
2012 | 16.6% | 0.0 %

The offensive rebounding percentage last year was respectable, too – the equal of Anderson Verejao, for example. This year’s tiny-sample version would have a chance of leading the league; Kevin Love was only at 13.7% last season, and he’s grabbing 13.% this time.

Pekovic likes the offensive lane. That is our lesson. ;-)

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by feral on Jan 19, 2012 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for fetching those stats

% I’m too lazy and important to bothered which such mundane tasks. %

by whistle_this on Jan 19, 2012 8:38 AM CST up reply actions  

82games doesn't include last night's game,

(which is a pretty big percentage of Pek’s minutes for the year), but it says that the Wolves’ defensive rebounding percentage is higher with him on the court than off (74.2 versus 70.9 percent). So maybe he’s doing a good job boxing out so someone else can get the board.

by Madison Dan on Jan 19, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Last year is probably more informative...

we were plus 2.4% defensive rebounding with Pek on the floor.

by vjl110 on Jan 19, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I think MD has a good point, actually

Pek uses his gigantic frame to create space and box out, even if he doesn’t get the board himself.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...

I’m buying it. Pek is very powerful. It makes his post D effective as well. Notice how far outside the pot Detroit’s centers were when they got the ball. Also note how they never put their back to him. There isn’t even an attempt to back him down.

by vjl110 on Jan 19, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, it was funny watching Monroe dribble for a while

and then just pass the ball.

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by Wile E Coyote on Jan 19, 2012 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

If you watch closely

you can see Monroe pooping his pants.

Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.

by nodnarb on Jan 19, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Gif of the week

(I am so proud you used that bear picture, ha ha)

T'Wolves 2012: Where Bears Are Fought And Unicorns Untamed

by Malastare on Jan 19, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Hundred hand slap is even more appropriate at the lower framerate...

…I swear I can hear 12 year old me mashing the heavy punch button frantically.

by bustaone on Jan 19, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point.

Just a tiny bit bigger sample there.

by Madison Dan on Jan 19, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

That too, probably

We’ve all seen when he gets inside position, right under the hoop. Haha, he probably just gets carried away and boxes his guy out into the stands.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

or

small sample theator.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 19, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahem.

Which is why both last year’s results (which I cited) in over 800 NBA minutes and his European stats in more than one full season are relevant. They show the same basic tendency.

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by feral on Jan 19, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

2011 | 11.0% | 13.2%
2012 | 16.6% | 0.0 %

I was refering to the Def rebounding side. Pek will get the D boards, but up until last night he played so few min that we can not extrapolate any thing from them. last year however he rebounded 13.2% on the Defensive side. I would expect his rebounding over teh course of the season to normalize to be more like his numbers last year.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 19, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is ironic

Because McHale always mocked guys with “alligator arms.”

by Rodman99 on Jan 19, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

If those "alligator arms"

have a tattoo of a knight standing over a pile of skulls, nobody mocks them.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 19, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Also...

…the Wolves now have only 4 players under a .100 ws/48: Pek (rising), Darko, Wes, and Beas.

Rubio leads the league in ally-oop assists with 11 (sorry LA) and charges taken (14). He is second to Deron Williams (53) in assists to 3 pointers (42).

Magical unicorn powers.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 8:32 AM CST up reply actions  

His TO% is also at basically a third of his used possessions

Yet, he still somehow manages to be better than Darko.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

whoops

(reply fail to wile)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Charges taken!

We knew it was happening, but that is just a sweet sweet number to see.

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by feral on Jan 19, 2012 8:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Wolves as a team are 5th in the league

3.21 per game. Miami is #1 with 3.46.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Those stats are amazing

We are the best team in the league, is my takeaway

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Although..

…the NBA is so screwy that divisions don’t really matter all that much.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

It's weird

I’d probably prefer an every team plays twice + some extra games, and everyone competes for the same 16 playoff spots format.

And man, if we were in the East we would be tied for a playoff spot at current. For a while people were saying the West was getting old and the East was going to be tougher, but it just isn’t looking like that. The West is going to be tough for years to come with teams like Portland, Denver, Clippers, OKC and Utah coming up. Memphis too, maybe, not sold on them though.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Anyways, lots of fun basketball to look forward to

If the Wolves can keep this upward trajectory up. I can really envision some great rivalries between the Wolves and some of these other good West teams.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

No doubt!

Look at the standings: http://espn.go.com/nba/standings

The Wolves, at .429, are last in the NW division by a 2 game margin.

They’d be tied with NYC for 2nd in the Atlantic.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Jan 19, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

the .1 ws/48

is a super interesting stat. that’s really cool for this club.

It shows that everyone is buying in and becoming a productive member of the squad.

For as tame-interest as I have in advance stats, I do love it when they show me what I’ve been seeing and I’m like “sweet, I’m not an idiot”

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Well..

…I don’t know about buying in (although I’m sure that is happening), but it certainly shows what having a few solid ball handlers and a slower pace will do for a young team. It’s also the result of a coach playing to the strengths of his best players rather than trying to pound square pegs into round holes.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

If Wes ever gets his ws/48 over .1

Adleman will be a magic man.

However, it does seem like he’s been playing better since Rubio-starting

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Rubio + Wes = Wes - Beasely

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Since the day we got Beasley

I really regretted drafting Wes. Although I wanted Paul George, I was OK with the Wes pick as we did not have a SF at the time, but once we got Beasley I wondered if that made the Wes pick useless.

Since we got Beasley Wes has had to primarily play SG and that has looked quite awful, but it is fair to consider that the way Beasley plays has hurt Wes’ game.

If I remember right Wes’ best stretch of basketball last year came when Beasley was out (Cleveland game in December if I remember right?)

I’m not suggesting he all of a sudden will “get it” playing with Rubio and not Beasley….but it does appear he looks much more at home as a SF….even if he still can’t hit the broad side of a barn for a guy with such a “sweet stroke”

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Wes...

He’s passing up good shots now obviously due to a lack of confidence and it’s not like 4 FTAs is anything to write home about, but he’s been as aggressive as I’ve ever seen him these past two games.

It’s not like I think there is much to salvage with him. I would just love to see a couple flashes that could maybe con another GM (Hello, Otis? Wes for Redick?) into a trade.

by SmallzISU on Jan 19, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

He is passing up shots

but he is putting the ball on the deck. He appears to have more confidence against 3s…as in being able to take them off the dribble. He actually has a decent first step…now that we have had a chance to see it!!

Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.

by nodnarb on Jan 19, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Similar effect on team play

Rubio and – Beasely (AB) both make their teammates better.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

WP

I’m a bigger fan of WP. But seriously, just compare last season to what we have so far:

http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/min?season=2010

http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/min?season=2011

It’s pretty incredible.

by SmallzISU on Jan 19, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

RE: WP

Me too. I wish they had it on BR for easy comps.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...

I wish that too. But WS is sort of their own version of a competing advanced stat right? Makes sense that they avoid putting WP out there. I just wish there was a better site out there tracking it. NBA Geek doesn’t do too bad of a job, but it isn’t the most intuitive stats site ever. Better than the PDF from Berri that I would reference last season. Haha.

by SmallzISU on Jan 19, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

WS and WP

Are both preferable, I think, to PER…and definitely a lot better than any sort of +/- stat.

I’m more of a fan of possession based four factors as a guideline, but in terms of a more comprehensive single stat, I think WP and WS are the way to go, with WP at the top.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

WP also got better from last season....

they started reporting the adjusted version with defensive boards only receive .5 (I think) credit. No major swings, but Love drops out of the top spot and a few of the weirder cases slide down.

by vjl110 on Jan 19, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice catch

Steals, charges, assists to awesome buckets.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

We should be so good we have two of the best players in the entire league at getting extra possessions

Love is second in the entire NBA in offensive rebounds collected.
Rubio is leading the league in steals and charges taken.

If we get the turn-overs under control for an entire season (i.e. next year) good lord!

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by Airete on Jan 19, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I love it

I’ve been kinda taking that angle this year too. The Wolves possession generation between Love and Rubio is insane. With that and their 3pt shooting, the team can get out-shot and it doesn’t even matter.

by bustaone on Jan 19, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

we are getting better too

while this is a two player team, we do have role guys stepping up and we’re winning games because of it

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by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Not to rain on everyone's parade

But getting better stat-wise is what generally happens after you play three of the five worst teams in the league (NOLA, Sac, Det).

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by twinstalker on Jan 19, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Imagine

How great our stats would be if scrimmages counted.

by Vandelay Ind. on Jan 19, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Intrasquad!

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by twinstalker on Jan 19, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Vast improvement, in fact!

Significant fine tuning!

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm greenin that noise

Reason is the first victim of strong emotion.

by nodnarb on Jan 19, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Wolves still playing to competition

Next year, with a competent 2, 3, and 5, I think that will change. I don’t trust Wayne or Ridnour at the 2, and the 3/5 are obvious. I think one of these gets solved this year, and the other two are addressed in the offseason.

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by twinstalker on Jan 19, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it's funny

that our losses have been “prettier” than our wins.

Which is probably the way to go, we don’t feel quite so bad about a “pretty” loss to the Thunder and Heat and then when we look like crap for 3 quarters against the Kings and Pistons we can still be happy with the end result.

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by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 8:36 AM CST reply actions  

Buying In

Is Wayne Ellington a quality basketball player now?

He’s obviously never going to be a go-to guy, and more than likely never a starter due to his athletic limitations…but it appears as though he has bought in too the Adleman system about as well as any Rambis-era guy has, and the difference in his game has been noticeable.

I realize the hope/goal should be to get a long-term soloution to the two guard spot, but it also doesn’t suck to cultivate a good role/rotation 2 off the bench….Wayne is on a run of very good games, hopefully he can keep it up and be that rotation 2/OJ Mayo on the Grizz type of offensive spark we need to hit the dagger threes

Bring the Pain, Wayne

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by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 8:38 AM CST reply actions  

Quality, as in deserves minutes? Yes

But he seems like a guy who thrives in a well defined system (his college career backs that up to). In the Rambo Biangle, it is pretty hard to know what to do anyways, but when RA tells you where to be and what he needs you to do on the floor, then ya, it is pretty easy to put in worthwhile minutes, and this seems to especially be the case for Elly.

Isn’t it amazing that after every single game that takeaway seems to be ‘Rambis was horrible?’ And that sentiment only grows each time.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Quality as in

just a solid guy to help you win games.

I don’t mean quality as in: absolutely starter. But he’s just a guy that will help us win ball games now, it’s cool to see.

I really wish Adleman would just sit Wes down for a few games….it seems like the guys that he makes take a 3 game absence of playing time really seem to come out of that with a defined role/new outlook on hoops

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by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Wayne

A 3 game stretch isn’t enough to buy into this guy just yet, but even I’ve been impressed and I didn’t think he really even deserved a spot on the team at the start of the year.

I would REALLY like to see Lee get some run. Put him in next to Luke or JJ so his shooting isn’t as needed and let’s see if his defense lives up.

by SmallzISU on Jan 19, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it possible that our good players who have struggled

are being helped by Adelman? I think every Wolf should get a clean slate this year, previous years not having been a very good indicator of who can really do what.

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by TMiss on Jan 19, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah but...

Wayne’s biggest weakness is his inability to finish around the rim (once in a year dunks in traffic aside). I don’t think that changes regardless of coach.

by SmallzISU on Jan 19, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

that's again presuming

that I mean he could be a starter

he doesn’t have to strongly finish at the rim to play 24 minutes a night and hit big jumpers and play good enough defense

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by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions  

It would be amazing

if it wasn’t so obvious watching Rambis coach that he is, indeed, terrible.

by whistle_this on Jan 19, 2012 9:13 AM CST up reply actions  

"rambus is terrible"

is my mantra, and I’m sticking with it.

Likely the worst coach in the history of professional basketball.

by bustaone on Jan 19, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

it's funny how good Whittman looks in comparison

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by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Good thing too

Imagine the nightmare it would have been for Rambis to get his hands on the Unicorn.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

No doubt

It was all part of Kahn’s brilliant scheme. Have a bad coach, get higher draft picks while we wait for Rubio and wait for Adelman to get freed up. That man is a genius!

by Rodman99 on Jan 19, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

he did ask for STOPS

while giving up open looks from downtown…. every single game.

by zebano on Jan 19, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

His dedication to completely disregarding the three was weirdly admirable

Screw you, world. I don’t care what is happening around me…I’m sticking with my guns!!!

Aw, who am I kidding? That’s crazy.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

He stuck to his guns man...

… don’t even think for a second that Rambus is a flip-flopper.

by bustaone on Jan 19, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

He'd make a great politician

former athlete? check
Taller than opponent? Check
Doesn’t flip flop? check
Takes insane views on just about anything and considers it to be objective? check
Ignores the elephant in the room (Kevin Love) to try something else? check

Your next governor of California …. I give you Kurt Rambis!

by zebano on Jan 19, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

It was mind-boggling.

Channing Frye torched the Wolves in a December game with 7 3s because they didn’t bother to guard him out at the arc. When the two teams met again in March…he hit 9 3s, again due to the refusal to guard him at the 3 line. Shooting 3s is pretty much Channing Frye’s entire offensive game. The fact that they didn’t even bother to contest his 3 the first time, much less after he’d already killed them once, is so, so dumb.

by saudagg on Jan 19, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Wesley Matthews

I remember that Portland game last year where I thought Matthews was going to drop 50 on us. Same thing. Leave one of the best 3 point shooters in the league wide open. I think he went 7/10 from behind the arc that game.

by SmallzISU on Jan 19, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Matt Barnes

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by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Forgive me for being young...

But was there a time in the league, say before the Nash Suns teams where giving up the 3 was an actual viable strategy? Didn’t the Suns hit like 30 3s against one of the Rambis squads?

by SmallzISU on Jan 19, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

That's the funny thing

Rambis did most of the defensive coaching for the Lakers, including their last back-to-back championship team.

In all honesty, giving up the 3 might be a pretty good strategy, you just have to absolutely clog the lane and not foul. Of course, the Wolves couldn’t do any of that. Goes right back to Rambis trying to force a system onto the wrong team.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Well it worked 2 and 3 years ago

But regardless, you don’t really let everyone shoot open 3’s. In basketball you can’t stop everything, so you have to choose something to give up. Worked with their personel.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

But they beat Ray Allen in the Finals

With Rambis as the defensive coach.

If I am thinking right, the goal of that defense is to make a team totally reliant on jump shots. You’ll probably put Kobe on Ray and have him contest, but in general you pack the paint… Sure you have some guys that can kill you, but it is pretty hard to win a game on only jumpers.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Again, it was a horrible scheme for out little pups

But with the right players, it has worked very well (and recently).

As we always say, you win games on extra possesion and easy points. Jump shots = no fouls and no offensive rebounds.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Bynum...

I know when Bynum has been healthy the Lakers adopted a strategy to just filter players to him. They definitely were closing out at that time.

by SmallzISU on Jan 19, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

that stratagy worked

because the league lets Bynum close line guys with out repercussion.

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by the Real Thor on Jan 19, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

You can see the league development at the 3 here:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/stats.html

The league took a few years to get over .300 from beyond the arc. It was a novelty. It has been hovering around .360 over the last few years with the attempts climbing all the way to around 18/game. In 2000 there were below 14 3s/game.

The primary driver here is the realization that the 16-23 foot jump shot is worthless. The mid-range game is just not something you can win with. The game is slower and with more 3s.

There is also a big difference between building a team around the 3 and being able to shoot and defend it well enough to win.

That being said, giving up the 3 like Rambis did in this day and age is just insane.

Under Rambis the Wolves finished 4th and 6th worst in the league in terms of percentage and 1st and 2nd worst in attempts given up. They pretty much declared that teams could go nuts from beyond the arc. Just crazy.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 19, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

In fact, even the Wolves were pretty good at 3s last year, weren't they? If

you know it works for us, you must know the elites are gonna can some.

by 1922 on Jan 19, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

"decided" makes it sound like Rambis, you know, thought about it for more than 5 seconds

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by littleboxes on Jan 19, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Wayne Ellington's Dunk

was a highpoint of the game, ala Twisted Sister’s “We’re not gonna take it….anymore”.

Does anyone know if there’s a clip of this dunk up on video?

by righteousindignation on Jan 19, 2012 8:39 AM CST reply actions  

Hahaha!

“What is he doing? He seems to be dribbling towards the basket? He’s jumping? Oh my God! What just happened? I don’t believe what I just saw!”

by bustaone on Jan 19, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah,

my mouth was hanging open, and I thought “who the hell is the guy who switched jerseys with Wayne?”

by Madison Dan on Jan 19, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Equally entertaining on that play was Pek’s clear out.

by jianfu on Jan 19, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I screamed, "Holy Sh*t!"

It was reminiscent of KJ’s jam on Olajuwon because it just cam out of nowhere. On further review, it wasn’t quite as spectacular as I first imagined it. I thought his head was above the rim and he windmilled it from below the waist the first time I saw it. It was still awesome, though!

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by MNPhatz on Jan 19, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Since I'm always watching Pek,

I saw the lane completely open and thought, “Damn. Someone could drive the lane right now.” And then, suddenly, Wayne was there, delivering a killer dunk. It was glorious.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I like its potential

The guard drives the lane while Pek “fights for position.”

by jianfu on Jan 19, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh.

Pek wins. Flawless victory. Fatality.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7S6uuTT3sA

Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second

by GWST11 on Jan 19, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Deja Vu in a different uniform

One little moment fairly late in the game. The Piston’s still had a chance. I don’t recall the players but the guard bounce passed the ball to the forward and short hopped it on him. The ball hit him below the knee and bounced out of bounds. A total inept turn over. I know this Wolve’s club has to many turnovers ..but man, did that Piston’s play remind me of LAST years Wolves club.
A good feeling to see us play with confidence down the stretch.

by 9flavors on Jan 19, 2012 8:41 AM CST reply actions  

After that game I had that exact thought...

Up by 18, only to totally collapse in the 4th and lose by 8? To a mediocre club, even. Yep, that would be last year’s tagline for the Wolves.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Then again, that was us last weekend...

We’re not there yet (unless by there, you mean mediocrity, to which I say HELLS YEAH!)

by deus04 on Jan 19, 2012 10:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Haha, ya in this weird reverse comparision

We are the mediocre team.

And I’m lovin it.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

ATL is far from mediocre

there a top 4 team in the East, no?

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by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank you

For The Wire reference. Made my day.

down there

by JazzyCabbages on Jan 19, 2012 8:42 AM CST reply actions  

High expectations a must

Besides the awesome coach-on-the-floor leadership on O and great D, this is what I like about Rubio:

“When you’re not feeling good on offense, you have to play hard defense,” Rubio said. “That’s what playoff teams do.”

High expectations. His quotes regularly mention “playoffs”.

The “next year”, “in a couple years” talk is over. Gotta expect a playoff birth this year.

That’s what playoff teams do.

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by ChicagoViking on Jan 19, 2012 9:08 AM CST reply actions  

Eyes up! Keep your eyes up. Look for wins.

The kid’s awesome.

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by feral on Jan 19, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Dude is a gamer

90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 19, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Rubio

I can’t help but smile when I think back on some of the NY media and the NY area bloggers from a few years ago…just assuming Rubio would be playing in New York. Post like “he’ll never play in Minnesota” and assuming Khan would have to trade for (garbage) players from the Nets per MN might want something out of the failed pick. The basis for the comments always seemed suspect and clearly seem so now.

by 9flavors on Jan 19, 2012 9:50 AM CST reply actions  

We so need to keep building around Love and Rubio.

Last year I spent time speculating about what type of players would be ideal next to Love and what style would best make use of his talents. I couldn’t help but think that we needed to slow down, limit possessions and make the absolute most of his foul drawing ability and possession controlling rebounding skills to make the game a battle of attrition. Love is a foul magnet and would get us into the bonus. We just needed other guys to play some defense, limit turnovers and draw contact to get FTAs in a low scoring game.

This was based on the idea that our defensive would be poor and we needed to limit total possessions. Under Adelman our defense hasn’t been poor. With good to adequate D we don’t need to restrict the pace too severely.

Here’s what I’m seeing this year. Love is a foul drawing magnet and offensive board beast. Rubio is leading the league in charges taken and steals. The two of them together generate a huge number of extra possession and rack up fouls on the opponent.

In the last 5 games here’s some of the damage.

Detroit:
Monroe fouled out 6 PFs
Maxiell 4 PFs
Jerebko 5 PFs
Knight 5 PFs

Sacramento:
Cousins 4 PFs
Evans 4 PFs

Atlanta: (where we couldn’t buy a whistle)
PAchalia 4 PFs in limited minutes

New Orleans:
32 PFs against the Hornets
Love and Rubio combined for 24 FTAs

Chicago:
Asik 5 PFs in under 19 mins
Gibson 5 PFs in under 19 mins

So how do you build around these guys? I’ll try to use current players to illustrate what I’m thinking.

1) Bigs that draw contact and add to the foul trouble opponents are going to be having. I understand why Rambis wanted Darko to develop as a low post scorer. It was just a terrible round peg square hole situation. We need Pekovic to limit the TO’s and get to the line. His converting down low is less important than his demanding fouls by destroying his man in the battle for position. Bynum, Howard and Cousins aren’t coming here so Pekovic might be the best we can do for 15 mins a night. This is the nice thing about Derrick Williams. He hasn’t been shooting well, but he’s been drawing contact. Now if either would rebound near expectation for their position.

2) Wings that hit the 3 and slash. Kevin Martin is one of the best examples in the league. We don’t have him or anyone like him. It seems obvious though that the coaches are encouraging guys to either take the open three or fake and drive to the hole. If we could get a guy who does this naturally it would be nice.

I guess my point is that Love draws fouls on Bigs both on and off ball, Rubio draws fouls on PGs and Bigs when he drives. Barea draws fouls on PGs and Bigs when he drives. Pekovic draws fouls on Bigs when he gets the ball down low. If we can get our wings to start attacking the paint and getting FTAs as well we should be a nightmare to face.

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by Airete on Jan 19, 2012 10:29 AM CST reply actions  

Yep

Williams seems like he may do some of the things you are addressing. 7 free throws in 15 minutes was a nice sign

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by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I never really thought about it that way..

..that the best way to take advantage of teams was via the line. Good take, and I think we’re seeing the results of just that right now.

by bustaone on Jan 19, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Wouldn't Greg Monroe looks awesome in a Wolves uni?

I realize everyone kinda wishes we had taken Cousins….but Monroe and Love would be a terror post-duo in the pick and role

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by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 10:42 AM CST reply actions  

I was more or less talking about how we drafted

Wes #4 while Monroe went 6th or 7th

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by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank God we've won two in a row

When he thermometer dipped below zero for the first time.

I’m guessing Rubio won’t mind it as much today. And I think he’s learned his lesson about going outside without a coat on.

Welcome to Minnesota’s winters Ricky! You’re play is keeping us warm.

by Rodman99 on Jan 19, 2012 11:00 AM CST reply actions  

I'm happy you caught that yourself.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm still not happy about it.

"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"

by Steven Ellingson on Jan 19, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I like the wins, but we still look pretty disorganized. Any win is a good win.

Can’t wait for Lee & Webster to get their chance. I fear Webster is a little too injury-prone to make a difference. Too bad. I like the kid. He has a great head on his shoulders (and haircut).

by 1922 on Jan 19, 2012 11:13 AM CST reply actions  

Beating bad teams tends to hide the flaws

But we need to build some confidence somewhere.

by Rodman99 on Jan 19, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm of the opinion that hanging with the Spurs/OKC etc. is nice

but I would love to start beating the bad team regularly. We should play our game, get a lead, put our foot on their throat and just win. It should be routine, no mercy, no days off. Right now it looks like the team focuses on certain matchups and ignores the fact that Toronto/Cleveland are NBA teams expecting the wins to fall into their laps.

by zebano on Jan 19, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

It's does need to stop

But similar things could be said for most NBA teams, actually. Ever wonder why last year we managed to play so many good teams close?

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think it's personal.

I think he is just not confident enough with his English, so live interviews make him nervous.

"Only God is an expert, Ernie."

by MNPhatz on Jan 19, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously, what the heck?

Am I weird, or does she look strange these days shaving her eyebrows off?

Here’s good ’ol next door Marney:

"Only God is an expert, Ernie."

by MNPhatz on Jan 19, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Are we limited to one option?

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by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

She wants to be the Girl With the Dragon Tattoo


She’s trying to hook up with Pek, is what it is.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Love -- 4 year, 5- year, max, close to max

C’mon Wolves, go all in. None of this 4-year almost max crap. Can’t nickel and dime him. Sign him up now, worry about Rubio later.

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by ChicagoViking on Jan 19, 2012 12:26 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed on the max money front

Although I’m skeptical that Love would actually want to be commited to us for 5 years.

by TO12 on Jan 19, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Mayn

MAYN HOL UP!

by MAYNHOLUP on Jan 19, 2012 12:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Watching the game now, and I'm pretty sure I've heard Maxiell yell "Oh SHIT!" twice.

First time, I know it was him cause he knocked it out of bounds.

Second time, Luke got an open three and it was the exact same voice.

Funny stuff, and there’s 3 minutes to go in the 2nd still.

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by JonesTheCat on Jan 19, 2012 1:31 PM CST reply actions  

Don't tell us who wins

We may want to watch it later.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 19, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

That was fun.

Had a White Chocolate flashback on that one.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I've just realised.

JJ Barea spent the summer playing Jim Moriarty in series two of Sherlock.

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by JonesTheCat on Jan 19, 2012 2:21 PM CST reply actions  

Crap

you’re right. I thought he looked familiar.

Note to all the non-pirates/nonBBC viewers at CH: You WILL become huge fans of Sherlock when it comes here.

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by TMiss on Jan 19, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually

having seen the entire second season now, I’d recommend on holding off until the third season is in the can. It’s going to be a long twelve months before we get to see the conclusion of what happened at the end of season two. In fact, there is already a somewhat hostile fan video in response to that last episode. [SPOILER WARNING]

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by TMiss on Jan 20, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Apologies for the multiple comments in a row, I keep forgetting this isn't a game thread.

That Wayne dunk was very very cool.

And the Tolliver steal straight after pretty much exemplifies why I think he’s so valuable to this team.

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by JonesTheCat on Jan 19, 2012 2:30 PM CST reply actions  

That Wayne dunk

probably surprised Wayne. That was stunning.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah. Love Jim Pete calling it Jordan-esque haha.

Weezy seems to be great in crunch time at the moment though.

Live And Stupid From England

by JonesTheCat on Jan 19, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

In a strictly muscular sense

it was. I was shocked by the strength of Wayne’s dunk. Compared to most of the NBA he looks kinda puny, but by real world standards he’s a beast.

Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!

by TMiss on Jan 19, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

That's why I love Luke Ridnour

By real world standards he’s……real normal looking.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 19, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I went nuts watching that dunk too.

When these guys get a good head of steam up they’re awesome. The same guy turns into a one step reach/jump to the rim and gets it slammed back on top of his head. When Rubio fed Wayne on that next three I’m screaming, “He’s a banana sandwich!”

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 20, 2012 7:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Westbrook just got the max (designated player, I think)

5 years/80mil.
Might have a bearing on KLove’s demands…..

by Boss10 on Jan 19, 2012 3:52 PM CST reply actions  

I anticipate

he gets the exact same deal.

by Hold_Steady on Jan 19, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Good for OKC that they have their two stars under contract

But now the question will be whether the Wolves could get Ibaka or Harden with a big offer. Going to be hard to pay all four.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Jan 19, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

(cue VooDooMagic)

Did you know he loves James Harden? ;)

by PDGirl on Jan 19, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I could sniff out a James Harden talker a mile away

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Marilyn Manson said it best:

Villains have the best backstories. If some teams see our Wolves as diabolical in any way shape or form, I’m all for it!

by T-Fear on Jan 19, 2012 7:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I'd love to be the villain

that would mean we are awesome

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Kahn, Love, Rubio

what’s not to hate?

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Rubio

needs to grow a Snidely Whiplash mustache.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 19, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

He just needs to become a pirate

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I just think Rubio is pure joy..

How can you hate f*%$&#@ unicorn?

They are just jealous.

Apropos of that, however…someone posted this on FB today, and it reminded me of CH (on a couple levels):

(sorry if this has been posted before on here….it only seems like I read every word on this site).

by PDGirl on Jan 19, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That is an amazing picture

I may have a FB profile pic change coming soon….

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Any hater that hates on that unicorn bicycle...

…needs to take a serious look in the mirror. Don’t hate the (tubby, unicorn-bike-riding) player. Hate the game.

by Madsen's 3-Point Barrage on Jan 19, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Not everybody hate pirates.

Pirate’s song by José de Espronceda (translated by James Kennedy) :

The breeze fair aft, all sails on high,
Ten guns on each side mounted seen,
She does not cut the sea, but fly,
A swiftly sailing brigantine;
A pirate bark, the “Dreaded” name,
For her surpassing boldness famed,
On every sea well-known and shore,
From side to side their boundaries o’er.
The moon in streaks the waves illumes
Hoarse groans the wind the rigging through;
In gentle motion raised assumes
The sea a silvery shade with blue;
Whilst singing gaily on the poop
The pirate Captain, in a group,
Sees Europe here, there Asia lies,
And Stamboul in the front arise.

“Sail on, my swift one! nothing fear;
Nor calm, nor storm, nor foeman’s force,
Shall make thee yield in thy career
Or turn thee from thy course.
Despite the English cruisers fleet
We have full twenty prizes made;
And see their flags beneath my feet
A hundred nations laid.
My treasure is my gallant bark,
My only God is liberty;
My law is might, the wind my mark,
My country is the sea.

by amlmart1 on Jan 20, 2012 5:48 AM CST up reply actions  

damn!

Going through the comments on here is like watching “His Girl Friday” on fast forward! (that comment quickly establishing my advanced age, but what the hell. I guess I could’ve used BBTheory but why knuckle to callow youth?) Some very funny stuff, lots of chuckles and smiles and I actually laughed aloud at the Austin Daye crack. Plus more “in” jokes than a St. Elsewhere highlight reel. (there’s that age thing again) Is it my imagination or does everyone seems to know each other. Do you all hang at the same bar or what? How big is Minnesota?
Now then, with all this Pecklove going on how come nobody says anything about Ricky spoonfeeding him all of his points? Or his fumbling two or three other potential bunnies in the lane that Ricky practically handed him? One of those botched dishes would’ve made the Top Passes list… Ricky had to be mentally shaking his head. Ok, he is fun to watch in a weird/scary “should I piss off the Russian Mafia just to see what happens” kind of way, but he is a tad… can I say less than mobile? He makes Mahorn look svelte. His picture’s in the dictionary next to the word “lumbering”. ‘Course you guys have watched him more than I have, so if he gets the nod from this group I guess I’ll reserve final judgement. On the good side he is a freaking rock… pillar? mountain? inside and there ain’t nobody going through him. Plus he pretty much guarantees that Ricky gets a pass on any extracurricular rough stuff. Who would risk that? You’d have to have a death wish and most NBAers are way too cool to want to be seen scampering away from a warthful (did I spell that right?) Peck.
Anyway, really enjoy the posts, and Ricky is a basketball genius. He and Love have made Timberwolfing a must.

by dwb on Jan 20, 2012 12:10 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

After enough blather here you can get to thinking you might have a handle on the other folks.

I think it’s mostly just a gathering of hipster basketball fans with juvenile senses of humor…
;-)

by bustaone on Jan 20, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

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