Brook Lopez
by VoodooMagic on Jan 18, 2012 10:09 PM CST
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I've thought about this before as a potential target to trade for. There are a million and a half reasons why Lopez would not be available, but let's check on the one reason the might make it possible: D12. If The Magic believe they have a legitimate chance to resign D12 than they will more than likely not trade him. This opens the door for the Nets to make the salary cap play that many teams in 2010 did with LeBon and Wade....because they likewise with Orlando would assume they have a legit chance to land the guy (and obviously with D12 being a center....they would not have a need for a center).
Would Derrick Williams for Lopez be something you are interested in (I would assume the answer is yes) and do you also think it is something the Nets might be interested in? Maybe we add something else to the equation (like draft picks) but here is why I think this might be plausible:
Derrick Williams and say our protected picks we own would give the Nets a relatively similar package with which to offer the Magic. Obviously the exchange is Williams instead of Lopez, but if the Magic make that trade they are really making a trade for all the picks and then having a young talent to build around.
If the Nets keep Williams and wait out D12 Williams as a 4 would be a very ideal post tandem with Howard, and he is also on his rookie deal (i.e. not needing to be extended for bigger money like Lopez) so they would have an in-house potential 3rd member of a three man core to build around with Williams/Howard.
Is Lopez maybe the guy we should target with our Williams trade chip? Is it even possible? Would Lopez and Love be a good fit together? What are the thoughts of the CH nation
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I think we have enough guys from the 08 draft class
Seriously, though, I’d do expirings for Lopez. Not DWill. Certainly not DWill plus picks. I’m resigned to trading him eventually, but for someone more interesting (and almost certainly a wing).
by deus04 on Jan 18, 2012 10:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions
+1
I've got good judgement from experience and experience from bad judgement.
by ArchAngel79 on Jan 18, 2012 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
Lopez is kinda overrated
pretty soft for a big. Rather have Gortat.
For the loser now
Will be later to win
I too love Gortat
but we would be the whitest team in the league if we had Gortat/Pek/Darko/Love/Rubio/Barea/Ridnour. Heck we might be there already.
That said I see no reason for Phoenix to move a great center who has a very reasonable contract.
He's their best long term player. He's not going anywhere.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
I've been saying this for awhile
I think you could get Omer Asik for 1/4 the price and he’ll give you the Gortat production once he starts playing more. Love his defensive upside
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Who would Chicago even want for him?
Not trying to be snarky, just wondering. Luke? Doesn’t seem to be a lot on the Wolves roster for them.
Asik
He might be more difficult to get than Gortat. Asik is playing a ton, for cheap, on one of the better teams in the NBA. Eventually they’ll probably have to choose between Noah and Asik, but I doubt they do that now.
by Cris Carter is a Muppet on Jan 20, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
The problem....
with that argument, is that Omer Asik is also quite good… and quite unavailable to us.
RFA?
Will Chicago be able to pay him with Noah, Booze, Deng and Rose?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Noah
He might become a guy they look to trade this offseason. He still has pretty good value but he probably isn’t worth his contract.
by Cris Carter is a Muppet on Jan 20, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Nice
If they want a salary dump and a pick I’m down lol
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 20, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
No. Just no.
I am all for trading D-Will for someone who we can use and doesn’t play the 4, but Lopez just doesn’t have “it” and I don’t think he ever will.
So no on the trade even though it might make us a better team. We need to get a better part than Lopez for D-Will.
This was the guys averages last year
19 ppg
6 rpg (which is very soft, however his first two years he was a 8.5 rpg, which is much more acceptable)
1.5 bpg (down from a career average of 2.0 for first two years)
6.3 WS
.105 WS/48
19.88 PER
I don’t see how he wouldn’t make us better, even by the simple fact that Adleman wouldn’t be scared to play our better players on the court at the same time with this move. Maybe we don’t trade picks with it, but I think if it’s available we have to look into it.
I’m a big Thrill fan too. Huge, don’t love the idea of trading him, but if Adleman refuses to play him with Love I’m sure there are plenty of teams that will take a guy that can get to the line 7 times in 15 minutes of play
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
The big problem with '08 guys
is that they’re now due an extension and Brooks will almost certainly get about $11mil/year just based on what Dalembert / Okafur / etc. are getting. I’m not sure we can afford that.
Yep, but Okafur would come off the books before Ricky is due for an extension. Lopez probably would not.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Yeah...
Okafor’s contract is kind of bad… but it is timed well. Not to mention, Emeka is a much better player than Brook.
We could *possibly* get Oak w/o giving up Thrill
and use thrill to get a 2
or just do the jack pot trade and get Gordon and Oak for Thrill, cap relief and picks
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Unlikely.
Not impossible. It requires a few big shoes to drop that we have no control over…Orlando trying to keep Howard, Dwight signing with NJ as a UFA etc, but if those things come to pass it might be worth considering. A toxic offersheet at the start of free agency might accomplish the same thing if Dwight hasn’t inked a deal with the Nets yet.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
I agree
Unlikely but not impossible is probably the correct assessment
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Brook Lopez
has a Big Al level of post play best case with a worse then worse case level of Big Al Defense.
quite possibly the lowest rebound/height talent in the history of the league….i’m sure thats a stat somewhere.
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Jan 19, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
he blocks a fair amount of shots
1.5 is his career low, was around 2 last two years.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Blocked shots =/= Good defense
He had a DRating of 108 his rookie year, followed by 110 his next two. There is no perfect defensive stat, but considering Kevin Love has a reputation as being a poor defender (unfounded the past two years) and has never had a DRtg of 110. Al Jefferson is (probably fairly) considered a mediocre defender and his career worst is the same as Lopez’s career best. The problem with Lopez isn’t that he can’t block shots… the problem is that he’s softer than baby shit.
That title would have to go to
Rik Smits 7’4" – Career 6.1 RPG, 13.3% TRB%
Also Mark Blount gets honorable mention
7’0" – 4.6 RPG, 11.7 TRB%
In case anyone was interested I just looked it up
Worst TRB% among 7 footers with 8000+ MP
Andrea Bargnani 9.6
Jason Collins 10.7
James Edwards 11.6
Mark Blount 11.7
Eddy Curry 12.0
Manute Bol 12.2
Bill Wennington 12.5
Kevin Duckworth 12.5
Nenad Kristic 12.6
Bill Cartwright 12.8
Joe Barry Carroll 12.9
Dirk Nowitzki 13.0
Brook Lopez 13.0
thank you sir!
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Jan 19, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
By my eye test
I would say he’s solid but nothing spectacular
by the AS test it appears that take is pretty accurate.
What am I missing?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
He isn't...
bad, I am exaggerating. However, he isn’t worth D-Will, and it isn’t even close when you consider that he is about to get paid.
I'm curious why you would offer this trade...
while scoffing at Gortat who is twice the player on half the contract?
Fair question
I like Gortat, he just doesn’t excite me all that much.
I guess I want a little flair if I’m trading Williams, not that we have to get an “all upside” guy, but I would prefer someone who is under 24, all ready good and has room to grow….
…I get that I have a rep for being Mr. Potential on CH, which is valid to some extent…I’d like to have a younger core to build around for years.
It’s not like Gortat is ancient, but at 28 is likely to be the player he is (which is already good) for the rest of his career.
Lopez is already a solid player, he’s only 23 he gives us a post presence, which would allow Love to play the high post more, where he is comfortable….he can block some shots, has room to grow
I would take Gortat too….it’s not like I scoff at it, I would be a little less excited with the long-term potential of the move as I would be some of the other trades involving Williams that have been mentioned.
Maybe this is the wrong take to have, what do I ultimately know?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe waiting him out as an RFA is the way to go
and not trading Williams for him
the RFA center list might not be that bad: Asik, McGee, and Lopez could all be available.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 19, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
This is why I really don't want anything to do with him.
Not because he is “Soft” like everyone is saying. But look at big men who require surgery. They are 7 feet tall so all of there injuries get magnified. I’d hate to see a Yao Ming or Greg Oden thing come of this. I think this is partly why Orlando hasn’t taken the New Jersey package.
by Doug West Domination!!! on Jan 19, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
excellent point SnP and DWD
I am A-OK not going after him for this reason
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Let's deal with our biggest need first (wing)
And keep the efficiency level high wrt salaries. And please, let’s learn the difference between resign and re-sign. It wouldn’t be so bad if they weren’t nearly opposite meanings.
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I agree with this.
I feel that our center need is slightly over blown in general. We have, in my opinion, two legit back up centers in Pek and AR- actually in terms of skills set they compliment each other. Many teams only have back up quality centers so this is not as big of a problem as it initially seems.
I think it is more difficult to get by with only back up quality players at SG.
I am resigned to non starter quality centers but determined that we need quality starting wing players to move forward.
Anybody remember that thread this summer
that a Nets fan started asking “Would you trade Kevin Love for Brook Lopez?”
I wonder what he’d be thinking when reading these comments.
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