More Rubio craziness (stats)
During the three point era there have been, amongst the MPG qualifiers, only 37 players who have used over 40% of their possessions on assists (AST%) and been able to turn the ball over at a rate of 20% or higher (TOV%).
Ricky, of course, meets this criteria, which is why I looked it up. I stumbled upon it because I noticed that Kyrie Irving and Ricky have the same WS/48 but vastly differently ancillary stats. What got me is that Kyrie Irving turns the ball over more than Ricky does per36 minutes (4.4 to 3.7), BUT Irving's TOV% is lower (18.3 to 24.6). Huh? So I got to thinking that maybe it's because Irving's USG is so much higher than Ricky's (29.5 to 18.8), meaning he simply has 30% more opportunities to turn the ball over at a slightly lower rate than Ricky to generate more overall TO's per36.
Anyways, as a low usage player, Ricky is in pretty select company. If you sort by USG you find that Ricky is hangin' with Stockton, Rondo, and Kidd. And in terms of contemporaries over the last ten years, it's Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo, Jason Kidd, and Mark Jackson (2002) and Jamaal Tinsley (2001).
Lastly, here's another fun BBall-Ref player comparison of rookies in the three point era. Ricky is either the best or worst in a bunch of categories.
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Dr. Wolfenstein
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Here's the thing about the TOV% stat
It is essentially a ratio of turnovers to shot attempts, and has nothing to do with anything else. It is NOT the other side of the AST% coin; they are entirely different formulas.
The problem with TOV% is this: Let’s say Rubio makes a brilliant pass for a dunk by a teammate. Assist. That play has absolutely zero effect on his TOV%. None at all. Let’s say Rubio hoists a contested 20 footer with 16 seconds left on the shot clock (we’ll call that a “beasley”) and misses. That poor shot actually lowers his TOV%. In other words, TOV% rewards guys who shoot a lot (make or miss) but doesn’t reward guys who get a lot of assists. Since Rubio doesn’t shoot very much, his TOV% is going to be higher.
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by Eric in Madison on Jan 19, 2012 10:43 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Awesome
Thanks for that I never knew, I got to read through that BBRef glossary someone (maybe you) posted elsewhere
by WolvesBigTicket on Jan 20, 2012 8:11 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder why they don't just put assists in the denominator?
If you add in assists, Rubio drops from the 13th worst TOV% (among the 311 players with 100 or more minutes so far) to the 53rd worst. Still not great, but a lot better. (The values are 24.6% as in B-R and 15.2% with assists.)
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