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Yes ladies (and gentlemen), they do exist.

First things first. That was 18 losses and 295 days since the last regular season victory. That's a long time. Slow clap away.

Second, the Wolves now have a positive point differential after playing the Heat, Thunder, Bucks, and last year's champion. They have done so with two awesome players while spotting opposing teams 3 starters (this is probably not fair to Luke Ridnour, but he has competent backup production).

Take a look at the roster. Scroll down to ortg and drtg and look at the differentials. Granted, we're dealing with small sample sizes here but Kevin Love and Ricky Rubio (and JJ Barea!) are really pulling their weight while not getting a ton of help from their non-reserve running mates. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out over a larger sample. I really think Wes Johnson has a Sasha-level -30 ortg/drtg season in him.

With the tail end of a back to back on the horizon I'll keep this short and sweet. The best part of this game was watching two excellent pro basketball players take the game by the throat and bring home the victory. This hasn't happened in quite a while.

When Dallas pulled within 2 points with 5 minutes to go, the box score became a seemingly endless string of...well, this:

  • Kevin Love makes 25-foot three point jumper (Ricky Rubio assists)
  • Anthony Tolliver makes 23-foot three point jumper (Ricky Rubio assists)
  • Kevin Love makes dunk (Ricky Rubio assists)
  • Anthony Tolliver makes 23-foot three point jumper (Ricky Rubio assists)

In three minutes they went from 84-82 to 98-82. They did it by handing the ball to the Spanish Unicorn and letting him find open options. Their best players did the work. This isn't rocket science or zen apprenticeship.

Random thoughts.

  • Superstar of the night: Wolves trainer, for reacting to "That's my bone!" like any dad who has ever dealt with a scraped knee.
  • Please tell me the Sombridiots were not out in force tonight. What is really depressing about the whole sombrero bit is that these jokers had 2 years to prepare for the Spaniard's arrival....from Spain.
  • Dirk tried to do his best Lord Voldemort impression by attempting to draw blood from a unicorn. It's valuable stuff, we know, but your karma will pay should it be spilled. Half life and stuff.
  • Speaking of unicorns and blood, Michael Beasley waived off a Ricky call for a pick and roll in order to call for an iso. He was immediately stricken down (to the bone!) by karma. I know he's played 4 games and all, but if you like, you know, scoring baskets, you should probably heed the unicorn pick and roll call while keeping your hands up at all times.
  • Before the game I caught a bit of the Heat/Cats game while hoping to see the Manther in action. The Heat announcers brought up a cool stat from the Wolves game. The Wolves had 6 players in double figures. The Heat had 6 players who scored. Lesson learned: Awesome players are awesome.
  • How nice is it to see a team in a pick and roll league actually run a good pick and roll?
Well folks, that about does it for tonight. Losing really, really, really sucks and it was nice to see a good victory over a good (at least in theory at this point) team. The Wolves have played 4 games and competed in all of them despite having only 2 good players, no competent wing player, and while relying heavily on their bench. Rick Adelman continues to start the same lineup responsible for 17 wins last year but you get the sense that he is doing so to make some sort of point to his players. It doesn't take a genius to see that Team Adelman hands out minutes to players who do well and the starting label doesn't mean a whole lot when you start to play under 20 mpg for reasons other than injury while watching the game conclude from the end of the pine. These early games are handing players all the rope they need to either pull themselves up or to hang themselves with. All the while, the team is still competitive thanks to the outrageously good play of its best two players. They're close. They have obvious flaws with realistic fixes. They're finally under solid supervision. Find a 2 or a 3! Any decent one will do. Hell, call up Otis Smith and ask for this guy.

Until later.

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That cracked me up.

It looks like Ricky’s got a crush on Kidd, and he’s completely oblivious to his body language.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 2, 2012 1:17 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

this picture

is fantastical.

Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.

by nodnarb on Jan 2, 2012 3:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I Think

I just found my new wallpaper.

by Ineffable on Jan 2, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

The sombrero bit is especially offensive to Spaniards,

since they were conquered by Mexico.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 12:09 AM CST reply actions  

There were no sombreros

that I saw. And while I am not all-seeing, I did look at the section in question.

by PDGirl on Jan 2, 2012 12:11 AM CST reply actions  

Good

I plan on shaming them if they ever appear again. That was just ridiculous.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you already did...

Oh, great and powerful lord of Timberwolves interwebs ;).

by PDGirl on Jan 2, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Lordy

;)

In all seriousness, I hope I don’t ever use the mic here in a bad way and bully people who mean well, but holy crap…that had some amazing embarrassment potential.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Appreciate you calling them out

Last night’s crowd was very well behaved. No Rubio chants while he was shooting free throws. And I was blessed by having a nice older couple sitting behind me where the blowhard sat during the OKC and Miami game.

Even BWright seemed to have tamed it down a bit—although I understand he is paid to be the cheeleader. I just wish being a fan did not require one to be a sheep. The New Years Resolutions were really stupid.

The Timberwolves Crowd got loud in the 4rth quarter without any prompting when there was something to get loud about. We got on our feet and cheered when there was something to cheer about. We don’t need prompting from the screen to get on our feet and make some noise.

On a sadder note, the Kissing Cam made its 2012 debut last night.

by Andy B on Jan 2, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Word of advice, guys:

If you ever get on the kissing cam with a woman who is a complete stranger, ask her permission before jamming your tongue down her throat.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

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by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Did they tone down the in-arena music a bit?

It’s tough to tell, but I got that impression for at least some of the game.

by Madison Dan on Jan 2, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m googling news stories about JR Smith. I’m ashamed…

by jianfu on Jan 2, 2012 12:13 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Can't hurt to sign him for the rest of the year in March...

But I can’t see him sticking here unless he’s grown up a bit.

by foobee on Jan 2, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

We're gonna win...

4 of the next 6. Rubio will become a nighly feature on ESPN. And there we go…get ready kids…

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 12:14 AM CST reply actions  

Now, if only Kahn (cough...RJ...cough)...

Can pull off Gortat and Dudley for Beasley and whatever the shit else (sans Love / Rube) the Suns want, we are in business.

Full credit to VJ110 for this one. Perfect deal for us…and doable

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 12:18 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I think that idea includes us giving up Williams

I would do it in a heartbeat to balance the roster with good players but the difference between giving up Williams and Beasley is quite a big one.

by zebano on Jan 2, 2012 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I give Williams up in a second....

For this deal. And Wes too. Perfect deal for us and them… I can’t think of anyone that says no.

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 12:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Gonna post at Bright Side...

And see what they say…

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 12:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I am not mentioning...

The Phoenix Unicorn that is Steve Nash. I think it will go better than you think.

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

That's the spirit!

You got family back home I should contact, just in case?

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

You mis-under-estimate....

My strategery, persuasiony skills…

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 12:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it was EIM who initially came up with this deal around draft time...

Either way, I’m still on the fence if it includes Williams. Any combination of players no included Rubio, Love, and Williams I would obviously be in favor of. But I do believe that the Wolves tried to discuss Gortat, and the Suns wouldn’t even consider the 2nd pick for him (if I remember correctly).

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by Shane Heal on Jan 2, 2012 7:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...

I’m not sure who it was, but someone else originally proposed the #2(Williams) for Gortat + Dudley swap around draft time. I think Williams would get that deal done. There are some very good “non-basketball reasons” for the Suns to take that deal. Condemnation from Nash is the only thing I see killing it.

by vjl110 on Jan 2, 2012 8:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I think

2 issues with trading with Phoenix, first I think we’d have to take some of their toxic assets (Childress, Warrick, Frye) and second, If they’re trading Gortat and Dudley, that pretty much officially puts them in Steve Nash fire-sale mode.

I think they’d want to trade Nash first and then see who else they can trade (Hill) and who they want to re-build around.

by TwinATL on Jan 2, 2012 12:31 AM CST up reply actions  

If Josh Childress and Channing Frye are considered toxic assets

Then the Wolves need more toxic assets.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 2, 2012 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Ya

Gortat and Childress sounds good in my book. Childress seems like a guy who’d do well for Team Adelman. And Gortat? Yes please. We’d still need another 2/3 tho.

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 2, 2012 12:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Did more research

Man do the Suns need to get younger! After Morris, guys who are 26 or 27 are the ‘young’ ones! If ever there was a trading partner for Wes it is Phoenix. Wes is young, has relative upside, and produces the same as (but far cheaper than) Josh Childress. So why would we want Childress if he’s producing like Wes? Because he becomes our Battier – a smart defender and efficient offensive option. I’d offer Wes straight up for Childress.

As for getting Gortat? Not sure they’d want Williams unless Morris can play some C. Adding in Luke would really help, but that’s tough now that Lee is out. Maybe AntRand + Pek + Beas could do it if Phoenix blows it up. Seems like potentially overpaying for Gortat, but who knows. We’d still be awfully thin in natural scoring types. Maybe is we played a Spurs type disciplined, defensive model?

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 2, 2012 1:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Childress

was injured last season, but he also had his worst professional season and is tied up for 4 seasons and 27 million dollars, he doesn’t have any range and didn’t get to the line effectively last season either.

Frye is a better player, but he’s also got 4 seasons left on his contract, flaked out of Portland and isn’t known as a great defender.

by TwinATL on Jan 2, 2012 12:48 AM CST up reply actions  

There are some definite warts

But I don’t think those players reach the level of toxic. They’ve got some solid recent track records, and their contracts aren’t exorbitant given those track records. At the very least they’re not so bad that adding them to the discussed trade would make me think twice about it.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 2, 2012 12:54 AM CST up reply actions  

The Suns...

Get a shitload younger. Get a local hero. I probably should have asked…what does CH think of this?

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe...

But a pretty damn good bet on this year with Love up for FA and f@#king Spanish Unicorn.

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep...

Two perfect fits in our offense, which are obvious weaknesses…for the #2 pick in a crappy draft. Yep!

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 12:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Dudley’s slash %‘s – 47/42/74, averages 13/6/2/2/0 per 36
Gortat’s slash %’s – 55/XX/69, averages 13/12/1/1/2 per 36

Dudley is a very efficient offensive player, isn’t that great on defense. Gortat is efficient on offense, is excellent on defense. Fills a hole at a wing, moves Darko out of the starting lineup. Have to get rid of a PF at some point, might as well be the one with the second most value. What other trade fills two holes long term (Dudley is 26, Gortat is 27) like that?

by atlastata on Jan 2, 2012 1:06 AM CST up reply actions  

You are advocating...

Trading Love for Eric Gordon? Sorry, I won’t be able to help you when the beasts wake up…

Or was this ironic? I honestly can’t tell…

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 1:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget that Dudley and Gortat...

are both locked into really friendly contracts for the next 5 and 3 years.

by vjl110 on Jan 2, 2012 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm 100%

on board. I just don’t think they (and most other teams like them) are quite ready to clean house and start over. They should, as it only makes it less painful, but we’re only 4 games into the season.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 12:46 AM CST up reply actions  

It's Robert Sarver...

They get cheaper. That’s all that prick cares about. And Sarver’s a f@#king U of A guy. Williams has way more value to him than you realize.

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 12:49 AM CST up reply actions  

clearly you went to ASU

how are Sendek and Graham looking for you? jk

I think you’re letting your anti-UA bias influence your view on Williams. Dudley doesn’t solve our long term problems on the wing. Gortat would be great, but I don’t know…

by BDavige on Jan 2, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Aim high guys

aim high..

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 2, 2012 1:17 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Am I the only one

who cannot for the life of me understand how Josh Childress continues to get brought into conversation here. He is terrible and comedically over-priced. Since he’s gotten back from Europe, he’s shooting like Chuck Knoblauch threw balls to first base at the end of his career and can’t defend a lick. Synergy rated him the worst defender on The Suns’ roster. And the turnovers…

Holy crap, what the hell am I missing here? Super model wife? Has he agreed to donate his salary to the Vikings stadium effort? I MUST be missing something on this guy because everything on the basketball court is dreadful.

by foobee on Jan 2, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Not with the way he lost his shot

The lack of a 3 is especially troubling considering how Rubio likes to distribute. His shot has been destroyed since he came back, which is kind of crazy considering he once had a .647 TS%.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

And how do you explain his dramatic drop in FT% last year?

Around 80-percent his pre-Europe NBA career and couldn’t get to 50% last year…

by foobee on Jan 2, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Dunno

It all looks bad at this point.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

But!!!

Wes for Childress? Yes or no? That’s the deal I’d be after, with hopes that Childress will either get his shot back or simply be a plus defender at the 2/3 for us.

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 2, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that was my first Soundgarden album.

I was a late adopter for those guys, because the early 1990s for me was a shift away from heavy music to more playful melodic music. They hit me at the wrong time.

I didn’t appreciate them until later.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 1:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll rec

Any Soundgarden reference. They’re always in the running for my favorite band.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 3, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Why do advanced stats not like Tolliver

Are they correct, or are our eyes correct?

He has a negative WS/48, and his ortg/drtg differential is worse than Beas’.

by TO12 on Jan 2, 2012 12:15 AM CST reply actions  

That is the first time I've seriously disagreed with ws/48

I personally would peg him in the .06-.08 range based on sight but the stats totally disagree. I also wonder how Beasley has managed a worse WS48 than Johson. Williams is another player I expected to be bad but not negative.

It’s nice to see that Ridnour is (by 1 stat) now the 5th best player on our team rather than the 2nd best.

by zebano on Jan 2, 2012 12:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Ya, must just be sample size, Tolliver is the bomb

His WS/48 last year was 0.115, I didn’t realize he was that goo for us.

by TO12 on Jan 2, 2012 12:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep, small sample size

He’s back up to a .100 WS/48 after last night’s game.

by WolvesFan03 on Jan 2, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I forgot how nice it feels

After watching them win. I cannot explain this.

by MoreJuice on Jan 2, 2012 12:16 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Also, JJ would be such a great addition

I would give up almost any combination of bench garbage, but would maybe hesitate on sending Williams for him… opinions?

by TO12 on Jan 2, 2012 12:17 AM CST reply actions  

Looking at SnP's formula of how to successfully support KLove

we have Rubio pulling his weight already. It would seem natural to expect the 2nd pick in the most recent draft to also form part of the algebra. Not sure that he has so far, but he won’t be traded any time soon.

Hopefully we could “Brandon Bass” Otis Smith into letting Redick come to the Wolves for a player of seeming equal talent (Wes). Wes’ wayward airball was very sad indeed. He’s a bust.

by quessa on Jan 2, 2012 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

flagged.

Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.

by nodnarb on Jan 2, 2012 1:02 AM CST up reply actions  

It would also give us the first team in NBA history

with two JJs! That’s gotta be worth something.

Other than that, though, meh, unless he could be gotten for a song.

by HowManyFoulsOnShaq? on Jan 2, 2012 1:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

If he can be had for some spare parts, sure.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 2, 2012 1:45 AM CST up reply actions  

That woudl be underselling Williams...

We would need to hope Ottis overvalues Wes, Beasley, Pek, or Adolph. Not unlikely.

by vjl110 on Jan 2, 2012 8:39 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I doubt that

When we win appreciated gets passed around like cheap booze…

Next question, will Love win an MVP in his career? I say in 2 years when he leads the league in per and averages a 27/15, and leads us to the WCF he will…

by TO12 on Jan 2, 2012 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

As I've said for a while...

Kevin Love IS a better rebounding Dirk!

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by Shane Heal on Jan 2, 2012 7:26 AM CST up reply actions  

"Exceeding my expectations and beginning to flirt with 'wildest dreams' territory."

Bravo. This is exactly what Ricky is doing. I never even dared to let it cross my mind that he’d be this good already.

by LoveTo on Jan 2, 2012 1:24 AM CST up reply actions  

But yes, you're right. Love might be even more impressive.

The guy just blows through people’s expectations of him every year.

by LoveTo on Jan 2, 2012 1:24 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Hope the kid starts feeling better.

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by Airete on Jan 2, 2012 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

Think it’s croup.
Rocking her in the hospital right now.
Should be okay.

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by HumdingerTV on Jan 2, 2012 12:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I was going to suggest

that you have Ricky lay his hands on her, but that’s probably not an appropriate suggestion to make to a father about his daughter (even when it concerns someone as dreamy as Unicornio).

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

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by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.

Croup sucks, it’s such a terrible sound and there’s not much you can do about it. I hope she’s OK!

by Madison Dan on Jan 2, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Love and RIcky belong together

Love’s game will be more appreciated, if anything, because of Ricky.

I am no fan of the hype, but as much as Love has exceeded expectations, Ricky has also. Love is the better NBA player. He is the star, but like DJ made Bird better, so Ricky will add to Loves game.

And, right now, only the two Ricks, can prevent Love from moving elsewhere.

by Andy B on Jan 2, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Last night Ricky was out there without Love for most of the second quarter.

It was Rubio, Barea, Tolliver, Randolph, and Williams for a while; and then Ellington came in for Barea. The game was ugly clutter for a long stretch, and went from something like 25-25 to the mid-30s without either team showing much. I was getting a little impatient: put our best players in together.

Rest assured, Adelman sees the obvious.

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by feral on Jan 2, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Kevin Love played like a superstar tonight

Step back 3’s while feeding off the crowd after the Mavs closed wtihin 2. Hopefully more of this tomorrow night against old man Duncan.

Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.

by Ebomb on Jan 2, 2012 12:21 AM CST reply actions  

Step back 3's

That was some Manu Ginobili shit.

Love has obviously continued to add facets to his game… I know a lot of people think he’s probably close to maxing out his potential already but I’m not so sure. I would not bet against that guy at this point.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 2, 2012 1:43 AM CST up reply actions  

He found healthy replacements for chocolate milk

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 2, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Last night's game was a little footwork exposition on Mr. Love's part.

Several times, he made space for himself with deft little footwork things that did not exactly scream “I had a 6-foot vertical leap at the combine.” That there is hard work showing up. Tim Duncan would be proud.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 2, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

The Duncan banker

was especially heartening. That is the sort of trickery he needs and he executed it flawlessly. We’ll see if he tries it against the man himself tonight!

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 2, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Larry Bird used to use that step-back shot quite a bit...

just sayin…

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by SoDakHmr on Jan 2, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL, hold up...

We’re just getting into the Dirk comparisons. We should probably wait at least a few days before starting the Larry Legend comps. :)

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by Black Jack Davy on Jan 2, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha!

Just providing an example of another player with less-than-crazy hops who used footwork and guile as part of his offensive game against the crazy athletic types.

Besides, Love is a better rebounder! lol

"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson

by SoDakHmr on Jan 2, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually..

The first person to use that little step back shot inside was Jack Sikma – I lived across the street from DePaul University in their hey day in the 70s and Sikma played for Illinois Wesleyan. He came into DePaul’s little gym and almost beat them – drove Terry Cummings crazy trying to stop him. Oh wait – who is one of the Wolves coaches now? If Love picks up that little Sikma move inside he will be even tougher to stop.

by Jogger on Jan 2, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point!

But, Kevin, just say no to any hairstyle suggestions…

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by SoDakHmr on Jan 2, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

I don’t know – He looks like Beach Boy there :P

by Jogger on Jan 2, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

It never got better for Sikma.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 2, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh my...

LOL, yeah Kevin needs to keep his hair nice and short.

by Jogger on Jan 3, 2012 12:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Reddick

Interesting, idea… A certain Freddy H comes to mind…

by DR_JPK on Jan 2, 2012 12:22 AM CST reply actions  

The Mayor was awesome

And I remember Flip continuing to give minutes that should have gone to Fred to Wally. (I may just be misremembering that.)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 12:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Kinda fuzzy for me too

I remember KG really liked playing with Fred, because he opened up the floor so much. If the his man doubled down, KG would just kick it to Fred and dagger! Do you think Wes Johnson + filler could get Reddick?

by DR_JPK on Jan 2, 2012 12:33 AM CST up reply actions  

If any GM will accept Wes Johnson...

…and his name is not David Kahn, it is Otis Smith.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 12:34 AM CST up reply actions  

In the write-up you mention 2 & 3

So to you, none of the stable of 3s can give the wolves anything? Beasley can be a knuckle head, but I’m still holding out hope. What is your assessment of Derrick Williams at this point? I get the sense that he can play, but maybe more at 4/5 spot…

by DR_JPK on Jan 2, 2012 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Williams is pretty much the same size as love

I don’t think he’s ever making it to the 3. I had no idea he was this big.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 7:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Dwill

our future 5/4!! (at least a better chance of that happening than DThrill becoming a 3).

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 2, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

This seems like step #1

In Kahn’s grand scheme to drive Dwight into our waiting arms.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 2, 2012 1:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Freddy vs Wally

Freddy got plenty of run in the WCF run. Even hit a game winner against the Lakers.
And, the next year, he lead the league in 3 point % playing healthy minutes. (Unless I’m misremembering and that was 05-06.)
You could even argue that year that he should have been getting Spree’s minutes, not Wally’s.

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by HumdingerTV on Jan 2, 2012 12:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

If you...

check the game log, Wally definitely cut into Fred’s minutes. Waly returned on Feb 19th of 2004. Look at how much Fred’s minutes drop at that point.

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by Shane Heal on Jan 2, 2012 7:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Wally got hurt at some point (if I remember correctly)

That pretty much forced Flip’s hand with playing Fred.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 7:54 AM CST up reply actions  

flip gave fred's minutes

to an over-the-hill and inefficient Sprewell, not Wally. Flip was a coward.

by rickyp on Jan 2, 2012 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Flip already had a thing about his neck

He adjusts his collar even more often than he says, “As far as.”

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 2, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep...

Love’s the next Dirk. Pay him the MAX now. Before he gets back to the volleyball courts of SC.

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 12:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Dirk?

hes going to be better than dirk.

One year where the refs call all these touch fouls for dirk and suddenly hes a legend.

But this year we’ll see what happens when refs stop calling those touch fouls for the fall away dirk.

by andrew33 on Jan 2, 2012 1:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't disagree...

Just see a Dirk-like offensive game with Rodman-like rebounding. That’s pretty much a max player.

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by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 1:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Lucky

My fiance is gaining interest to be sure, but nothing will keep her from the bachelor tomorrow, so i’m stuck taking my father to the game haha

I watch this team, and i care so much, simply because i can’t not. It’s just a part of who i am..

by Love4MVP on Jan 2, 2012 1:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Great

I just wish your wife could now convince my wife.

by Ineffable on Jan 2, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Anthony Tolliver was great

Starting to think he could be in the rotation of a contender

by MoreJuice on Jan 2, 2012 12:38 AM CST reply actions  

Huge Tolly fan

Plays his butt off at all times and can defend three positions and hit threes.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 2, 2012 1:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Miami would kill for a player like him

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by Shane Heal on Jan 2, 2012 7:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I have the feeling

that any trade for Gortat and Dudley would have to include a guy like Tolliver.

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 2, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Totally

actually, he’d be a good guy to run some of these Phoenix trade idea past.

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 2, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

In 16 minutes

Derrick Williams had 7 rebs and 3 steals tonight? Good contributions even if he wasn’t hitting his shots…

by DR_JPK on Jan 2, 2012 12:49 AM CST reply actions  

I knock him for not projecting to be a great rebounder

But he had some serious MAN boards tonight whereby he skied and riipped them out of traffic.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 2, 2012 1:24 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

*air traffic

He ripped them out of AIR traffic…

by YoLeo on Jan 2, 2012 1:46 AM CST up reply actions  

It baffles me that he wasn't a better rebounder in college

Someone who watched him more than I in college maybe can help me with this. Was he just not interested in rebounds? He “looks” (we all know how important those are!) like a plus rebounder.

"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"

by Steven Ellingson on Jan 2, 2012 2:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Jesse Perry grabbed the boards for the Wildcats

D Will concentrated on scoring

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by MNPhatz on Jan 2, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Non-basketball...

Bon Iver is a f@#king musical genius. I am listening to his album for the 1000th time, and still weeping at it’s brilliance…

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 1:18 AM CST reply actions  

Kinda done with Bon Iver for a while.

It’s good music and all, but it’s ultimately too ambient. I want to notice my music, if that makes sense. James Blake gets Bon Iver’s spot in the rotation for now (in the quavering—auto-tuned—male vocals subgenre of alt-indie-hipster-pop).

by deus04 on Jan 2, 2012 1:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the tip...

Will check it out, but anything auto-tuned will immediately get the Gas Face…

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by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 1:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Check out Bon Iver's Blood Bank EP

Woods in particular, which got sampled in that Kanye track last year. He can auto-wail with the best of them.

Then again, based on your comment, maybe you’d best stay away…

by deus04 on Jan 2, 2012 2:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...

He auto-tuned his last track on this year’s brilliant, eponymous album… Not sure why…even heroes have their flaws I suppose.

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by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 2:05 AM CST up reply actions  

If you look at it as him using Autotune as another instrument

instead of as a crutch for poor singing, then it doesn’t seem bad at all. I think he does some really beautiful melodic stuff with it.

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by nja700 on Jan 2, 2012 2:13 AM CST up reply actions  

He said...

That was his favorite track…

Just not mine. The first three of Perth, Minnesota WI, and Holocene are pretty much the best thing since Mozart, IMHO.

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by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 2:26 AM CST up reply actions  

And I totally get the "ambient" thing...

But his music is so unbelievably personal. He absolutely nails human emotion…

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 1:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Interesting that you put those two in the same post

They’ve actually recorded a song together.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 2, 2012 2:19 AM CST up reply actions  

And if you're interest in Bon Iver's music

is beginning to wane, you can always check out the workout video.

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by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 7:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Another random point

Here’s another difference between Rambis and Adelman – Kevin Love, our best player, is easily leading the team in minutes. Good thing Hollins isn’t around to block minutes.

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 2, 2012 1:21 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

This year it would have been Luke over Ridnour, late.

Rambis thinks Ridnour just gives the team that veteran presence.

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by feral on Jan 2, 2012 8:19 AM CST up reply actions  

This explains

so much of last year’s problems.

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by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

(Ba ha.)

But he did just have twins, yes.

(Over Rubio, doh.)

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 2, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I couldn't watch the game tonight,

so I read the game thread when I got home. I got chills just from the descriptions of what happened. I need to find a highlight reel longer than the minute-long one on the ESPN game wrap.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 2, 2012 1:24 AM CST reply actions  

Well...

I’m about to re-watch on DVR while listening to Bon Iver and drinking Long Islands. Would you like me to recap?

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by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 1:27 AM CST up reply actions  

FYI...

The posts may have continuity issues, but will be very poetic, with many mispellings.

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 1:29 AM CST up reply actions  

You can watch the replay for free

through the League Pass free preview. I couldn’t watch in real time, either.

by Madison Dan on Jan 2, 2012 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

1. Agreed – Luke really looks like a good complement (depening on the other team’s guards) to Rubio on offense.

4. As I said above, I would love for someone who watched him a lot in college to give an opinion about this. My eyes see a stud NBA rebounder. I don’t understand why he was a poor college rebounder.

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by Steven Ellingson on Jan 2, 2012 2:13 AM CST up reply actions  

If DWill keeps up the rebounding then I will be happily amazed.

My strong desire that we trade him ASAP is partly due to his paltry college boards. I remain skeptical…but with a glimmer of hope.

by Django Z on Jan 2, 2012 6:03 AM CST up reply actions  

That offensive board and putback...

in, I think the 2nd, was really amazing. It is hard to believe a guy who can do that didn’t average 14 per 40 rebounds in college.

by vjl110 on Jan 2, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Watched most of his college games

and I don’t know why he didn’t rebound better. Sean Miller usually plays 9-10 players and so I think that kind of waters down individual stat lines. Williams transcended that last year because of his 3 pt % and crazy efficiency.

I also think he’s still improving and (obviously) has room to improve. He came back to college his second year and shot over 50% from 3 after shooting 1-6 on 3 pointers or something his whole freshman year. His defense and rebounding weren’t great in college and then last night he’s rebounding and getting steals.

Maybe Beasley’s ceiling is higher than Williams but I think Williams has a better chance of reaching his. And with someone like Rubio passing him the ball I could see him being an All-Star. All speculation, but one thing is for sure— Williams has the desire and the athletic build/ability to improve.

by BDavige on Jan 2, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

re: The Coaches

I like how involved the assistant coaches seem to be during the games.

It always bugged me that last years assistants seemed so uninvolved (except maybe JB). They just looked like guys with really good seats.

by TenderWolf on Jan 2, 2012 8:37 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Love’s defense is much much improved. Without the excess weight, he can actually move his feet enough to keep up with most 4s.

No. Well, yes, but more importantly, he hasn’t been ordered not to keep up with most 4s by his coach. I’ve predicted there will be a lot of these “defense has improved” comments. Take a look at our team defense vs 3s this year vs last year. It has nothing to do with Love’s inability/improvement, and everything to do with not having an awful, awful coach.

One of my favorite moments last year was when Tolliver openly questioned Rambis about not being allowed to guard anyone on the perimeter – even if their only nba skill was hitting the 3.

Good post though, despite my nitpicking.

by rickyp on Jan 2, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Team and individual defense

Check this out. Not only is this team performing better as a team than last year’s, our worst defender this year (according to Drtg) is performing far better than our best defender last year.

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 2, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

...

This article that came out last season it looking very applicable.

Coaches have a huge impact on defense.

by vjl110 on Jan 2, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

That's pretty blatant.

I’m guessing my hopes of some kind of retroactive punishment aren’t gonna happen?

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by JonesTheCat on Jan 2, 2012 4:27 AM CST up reply actions  

They didn't show, afterward, that Nowitzki fell over Rubio's ankle.

That’s why Dirk’s holding his elbow in the close-up shot.

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by feral on Jan 2, 2012 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

NBA scouts and coaches have got to be furiously

prepping for Rubio and Love. I can almost hear RA and company saying “Keep it simple guys, move without the ball, space the floor, knock down shots;” I think Kevin and Ricky can handle it, but now who else will step up?

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by pastyearsears on Jan 2, 2012 2:25 AM CST reply actions  

There's nothing...

You can do to prep for either one of them. They’re both unlike any other conventional NBA star. They’re both kinda “glue guys..”

Can you have a successful franchise with a shit-ton of glue guys? We’re about to find out. I think so…

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by mutleyil on Jan 2, 2012 2:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Ain't we got fun!

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by pastyearsears on Jan 2, 2012 2:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I think

it depends on what kind of players Adelman brings in. Since someone mentioned Phoenix as a potential trade partner I started going through a whole bunch of combinations and scenarios and what not. What ultimately became clear to me is that it would be, in fact, doable to load a team up with execution guys surrounding our two Super Glue guys. In essence what you’d get is Spurs-lite – a do everything big and a playmaking non-scoring point surrounded by a bunch of guys who would defend (let’s say Josh Childress or Jared Dudley + Martell Webster types), who could find the open spots and knock down shots, who might be completely average night in and night out but also would be consistently average night in and night out. As we’ve seen so far, this team could be pretty dangerous with Love, Rubio, and 4-5 consistently average guys.

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 2, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Trade idea!

We could help Houston get DMC:

Houston gets: DMC
SAC gets: Jordan Hill, Michael Beasley, Wayne Ellington
Minny gets: Courney Lee (/+) Chase Budinger

Everyone is super happy.

by Keelhaul on Jan 2, 2012 5:45 AM CST reply actions  

Maybe we could also drop the

Wes bomb on Houston.

Wes will be fine eventually, I’m just not sure whether it will ever be with the Wolves.

Or give Wes + something instead of Beas. If we keep Beas, we don’t need Budinger.

by Keelhaul on Jan 2, 2012 5:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Sac's never gonna get enough for him though.

Bullets traded Sheed a year after picking him fourth for Harvey Grant and Rod Strickland.

by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 2, 2012 7:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I also don't know if they'd be looking for a Beasley type after getting rid of Cousins, but...

I’m always game to think big! How bout this deal…

Sacramento Gets…
Luis Scola
Wes Johnson

Houston Gets…
DeMarcus Cousins
Nikola Pekovic
Anthony Randolph

Minnesota Gets…
Chase Budinger
Francisco Garcia

Why Sac does it: They get veteran leadership for a team that despartely needs it. Beyond that Luis Scola is super productive, and Wes Johnson can be passed off as a “young prospect” who fits into a hole in Sac’s lineup. Also, they dump Garcia’s awful salary.

Why Hou does it: Morey gets the young talented center that he covets, for only Scola and Budinger. He also valued Pekovic in the past, and maybe he thinks he can turn Anthony Randolph around?

Why Min Does it: Legitimate wing help! We also assume Garcia’s terrible salary, but our wings are so bad that Garcia would actually be useful on our team.

Who says NO to this trade?

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by Shane Heal on Jan 2, 2012 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Houston doesn't do it

They will have the following players @ PF/C:

Sammy Dalembert
Jordan Hill
Patrick Patterson
Marcus Morris
DMC
Pekovic
Randolph

They’d need to move at least 2 guys, so I think they won’t take Pekovic. You’d need a fourth team and that is messy.

by Keelhaul on Jan 2, 2012 7:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Switch Pek and Ridnour

It’s a deal!

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by Shane Heal on Jan 2, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Make it Courtney Lee instead of Budinger?

And I like Garcia on this roster too… can’t believe he’s 31, though. But he’s only got one more guaranteed year left on his deal. I like his shooting, ball-handling and energy. His bad rebounding isn’t a concern for The Wolves, but I wish his 1v1 defense was better.

by foobee on Jan 2, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

and Dallas got Odom for less than nothing

Once the player doesn’t want to be there the team is screwed.

by hoopsfan1 on Jan 2, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

you're right

And I think LA could have gotten more, but Odom is not really much of an asset at this point. Old, bad contract, and doesn’t seem motivated.

by TO12 on Jan 2, 2012 11:15 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Odom has a good contract

Reasonable price, and expires this year.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 2, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point

Sacramento is over a barrel with this problem and everybody knows it (well, except maybe Otis Smith).

Factor in the money problems the Maloof Bros are having, I think they might have an interest in Bease for the expiring contract along with name recognition.

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by SoDakHmr on Jan 2, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Heck, speaking of Mr. Smith

How about a three way trade that sends:

Beasley to Sacramento
Cousins to Orlando
Reddick to Minny

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by SoDakHmr on Jan 2, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Really? For a Beasley for Reddick swap?

I think a lot of people would make fun of Orlando for giving up a contributor for the “headcase/cancer” of Beasley. Not necessarily fair, but people nationwide are pretty down on Beas, it seems.

by LoveTo on Jan 3, 2012 4:26 AM CST up reply actions  

You da man

forward that one to Kahn immediately!

I’ll go back to dreaming up ways for us to land both Ellis and Gortat. If Sac wants a little more tell them they can have Wes as well (hell any non-Love/Rubio is probably available).

by zebano on Jan 2, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

One thing I enjoyed

is that when Wes induced a timeout in the third quarter and got pulled from the game, I thought “he’s not going to get on the floor again tonight.” And then he didn’t! Further proof that a big part of good coaching is properly allocating minutes.

by Madison Dan on Jan 2, 2012 7:51 AM CST reply actions  

Before They Thought Ricky Was From Mexico

Now they think he is from France.

Can someone explain this to me? Men wear berets in Spain?

by Los Lobos Del Bosque on Jan 2, 2012 7:51 AM CST reply actions  

In another thread

someone said it was JJ Beret-a day

What's wrong with the NBA is what's wrong with the USA: too much respect for superstars and not enough for working class heroes.

by TMiss on Jan 2, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

That's actually clever

More of that, please

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

But he's from pr

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 2, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

PR department?

;) %

Now that would have been problematic.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Now I know

what was meant by not being able to trade Kevin Love “because of the pr hit they would take.” I just assumed it was public relations, but it turns out it was about the Puerto Rican Hit.

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by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh

No potential misunderstandings there either. ;)

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by nja700 on Jan 2, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

My Hanny love grows every day

When he said “it looks like someone lost a bet… or you’re saying there’s a chance!” after they showed those guys.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 2, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

The guys had "I owe you's" That they were showing the camera

awes

Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.

by Ebomb on Jan 2, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, saw that

Pretty funny. Best of all, they were the first out of their seats after every good play.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 2, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Hilarious

My lady is a huge D&D fan so anything to keep her interested in the game is great. Can someone buy court side tickets to the next game and continue the tradition?

Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.

by Ebomb on Jan 2, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Rubio 4th quarters

Date Opponent Min FG-A 3P-A FT-A Reb Ast Pts +/-
-- -————— --- -- -- - - - -
1226 Oklahoma City 12:00 2-2 0-0 2-2 2 1 6 +2
1227 @ Milwaukee 12:00 1-1 0-0 2-3 2 3 4 +8
1230 Miami 12:00 1-3 1-1 1-2 4 5 4 +5
0101 Dallas 12:00 3-4 1-1 0-0 1 5 7 +12
-- -————— --- -- -- - - - -
4 games 48:00 7-10 2-2 5-7 9 14 21 +27

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 8:08 AM CST reply actions  

SNP, you are much too hard on the other players.

There’s more talent there than you think. This team needed two things. A good coach and Rubio. They have both. Four games in is too soon to be making changes. Let things play out a bit. Then make changes.

by Sci Fi on Jan 2, 2012 8:10 AM CST reply actions  

I appreciate the sentiment....

…and Williams still is an open book, but we know how all the other players play. They don’t have a draft pick this year. Rubio appears to be the business and a non-movable player next to Love. Hopefully they can find a team on firesale.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorting of advanced stats

at Basketball Reference is interesting, in that how much it verifies what one sees on the court:

1. The Wolves’ success is basically coming from phenomenal play from Love and Ricky “Real Deal” Rubio.
2. But the defensive rating is much improved across the board (thank you Coach Adelman), with 102 being the worst number
3. They’re getting competent play from Barea, Ridnour, Darko, and Tolliver
4. They’re getting much more volatile play from RickWill and Randolph
5. Wes and Michael “Long Two” Beasley are worse than last year

True, we’re only four games in, and there’s a good chance that the regression will go in the wrong direction. But they have played the former champs and the current WCF and ECF favorites.

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by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

ops--

link is here.

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by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow

Wes managed to cut his loft 3.8 PER more than in half. He never stops finding ways to surprise me.. with his awfulness.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 2, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I think

some regression to the mean will occur in the right directions. I don’t think Beasley and Wayne are going to continue to produce under 90 points per100 possessions (their career averages are both over 100). I also think that eventually everyone’s three point shooting is going to trend back up towards career levels.

I think the bigger question is who stays and who goes, and what Team Adelman considers the best 7 or 8 man rotation. Adelman said that they talked to Beasley on Saturday about how to get him shots that he likes. This suggests that they’re still trying to open the Skittles bag that is Beas, and (as an aside) – how nice is it to have a coaching staff recognize that Beas is struggling with where/how he’s getting his offense after 2-3 games and PROACTIVELY seeks him out to talk about what he likes to do or not do, instead of just saying that he’s a young player and that he’ll continue to grow and get better and in the meantime ‘Oh, we’re just going to keep playing you exactly like we have been despite all the evidence that it’s not helping.’

I digress…

Trade I’d make today is Wes for Josh Childress, straight up. Saves salary for Phoenix, gets them younger, is a lateral move based on what each has done so far this year. Make it happen!

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 2, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Those two should be off to see The Wizard

Wes needs courage, and Beasley needs a brain.

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Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not against moving Williams

But why wouldn’t the goal be to kind of find another cornerstone player by moving him?

Gortat and Martin are both excellent at what they do, but they both concern me as being what we trade Williams for

note: I remember people talking about a Beasley or Wes Johnson/Pek/Ridnour for Martin trade people kept mention….any day of the week I will do that btw….just not Williams

I couldn’t find our Gordon/Martin convo from the other night. But where I was going with why I’d take Gordon (I apologize, I was tired had to be up early etc), is that yeah-Martin has been putting up 20 PER for a few years now, but he’s also 28 and we see all the time these SG’s….once they lose it they lose it….I’m not saying Martin will lose it at 29,30,31…but maybe he will….his game is predicated on athleticism which might be very helpful in his aging as he is already used to playing with out an excellent base of athleticism….but it also might mean that once he looses it he REALLY loses it as he will turn from an average athletic wing to a completely non and almost a hindrance of an athlete at wing. Gordon is 23 and putting up, I guess it’s basically a 19 PER and he also has a nice athletic base/BBIQ skill set where he’s not just a guy who plays basketball the right way, he’s also a guy who is “long and athletic”

He’s the guy I would have most wanted out of the N.O. deals….and for Williams I would be much more comfortable and happy trading Williams for Eric Gordon than for Martin

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 2, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Damn

“Martin’s game IS NOT predicated on athleticism”

sorry

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 2, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Martin's game ISN'T based on athleticism

Kevin Martin isn’t what you’d call a great athlete. He relies on angles and craftiness more than athleticism. That being the case, he’s exactly the kind of SG that can play well into his early 30s with little dropoff in play. That doesn’t mean he will, just that he has a better chance to excel later in his career than other SGs who rely on their athletic gifts.

by DTrim on Jan 2, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Well said

I see Martin being very solid for a very long time.

by foobee on Jan 2, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

SnP

I disagree with the we know what we have sentiment. We know who these guys are with an awful coach. I’m all for letting Adelman have more time with them.

Pek apologist

by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 2, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps he's decided with Wes

I don’t think he’s done with Beas yet

Pek apologist

by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 2, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Beas just HAS to be shifted eventually

to the “Volume Scorer off the Bench” type. He can get hot at times, but the incompleteness of his game really is miscast in a starting lineup.

by foobee on Jan 2, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I think that by seasons end

Beasley will be in that role with AR 7th man with the same job. Adelman will ride whoever has the hot hand that night.

by zebano on Jan 2, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Another drawback the Wolves drafting Wes

is that the DMC vs. Rambis “War of the Pricks” would have been a welcome distraction last season.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 8:12 AM CST reply actions  

True Shooting Percentage

League leaders in true shooting percentage of guards who have played more than 100 minutes

The artist formally known as Shane Heal, but FORMERLY known as Blakeley

by Shane Heal on Jan 2, 2012 8:15 AM CST reply actions  

Flagged

for falseness. EVERY ONE KNOWS RICKY CAN’T SHOOT!!!

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 8:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Manu...

holy shit.

Luckily we have Wes Johnson to sick on him tonight.

by vjl110 on Jan 2, 2012 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Ricky's not going to sport a .723 TS% beyond 10 games or so

This is small sample size theater. Nonetheless, Ricky did mention that he worked on his jumpshot over the off-season, so hopefully between smart shot selection and a better jumpshot, he can be more efficient than we might have predicted based on his euro stats.

by WolvesFan03 on Jan 2, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know.

His shot looks solid, and he’s been hitting them in motion, with hands in his face, spotting up from three . . . his mechanics aren’t typical, but the results have been impressive. Several of his shots have hit back iron and dropped right through without disturbing the net. They’re on target and have great rotation.

I guess what I’m saying is, if he continues to take the shots that are available (and he doesn’t seem the type to start jacking out of desperation), I don’t see any reason why he can’t maintain a high TS%. (Though you’re right in that .723 is stupid good).

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 2, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

The Sebastian Telfair Method

Only he’s better at it.

www.punchdrunkwolves.com
@PDWolves

by Andy G on Jan 2, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

The Bassy Method

Is how points are conceived.

Follow @canishoopus

by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Pointhood begins at conception!

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 2, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I expect to see a lot of picketers

outside of the Planned Pointhood office.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

With how much data we have, it's almost useless to prognosticate at this stage

Rubio has taken a grand total of 21 NBA field goal attempts. We’ll have to wait and see how he looks after 15-20 games (and after 1-2 seasons, preferably).

I agree though, that the most encouraging thing about his game early on is that his shot selection seems very good.

by WolvesFan03 on Jan 2, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed about sample size...

..and, more importantly, shot selection > percentage at this stage of the game. He doesn’t take bad shots. At all. That’s really, really rare.

Follow @canishoopus

by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I know you can’t post links to games….but can you post links to websites that play games? #loophole?

by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 2, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Google FirstRow

and you should be able to follow the breadcrumbs from there

What's wrong with the NBA is what's wrong with the USA: too much respect for superstars and not enough for working class heroes.

by TMiss on Jan 2, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

yes

well aware. just seems goofy that a game would be available, but not locally televised. fox sports must not think it can compete with the bowl games tonight.

by mich01 on Jan 2, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Free League Pass for everybody

All non televised games get the arena or away feed.

Follow @canishoopus

by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Woooooohoooooooo

The artist formally known as Shane Heal, but FORMERLY known as Blakeley

by Shane Heal on Jan 2, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

hmm

is this for league pass broadband only?

"This town, this night, this crowd
Come on put them up, let me hear it loud"

by Stay classy, Joe. on Jan 2, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I have basic Comcast and I’m not seeing a game on the schedule to

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 2, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

I found it no problem. Check in the neighborhood of channel 750.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 2, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure if we have the same package, though.

I have what I would consider the standard HD package.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 2, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Mine is Comcast

Channel 446

Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.

by Ebomb on Jan 2, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

We have a standard HD package. I flipped through all 900 or so channels in the guide and I just don’t see any league pass channels.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 2, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Oops

I’m dumb. I was thinking we had Comcast. It’s Charter, and it looks like they don’t carry it. Sorry y’all.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 2, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Destination: Memphis

Why not Beasley for Mayo straight up? Works for money and they need a PF, we could use a wing. Both players could use a fresh start.

by silkwilks on Jan 2, 2012 9:14 AM CST reply actions  

Was "that's my bone"

a boner?

Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way

by Flagrant on Jan 2, 2012 9:19 AM CST reply actions  

2012 Prediction:

Target Center is renamed the Love Shack.

Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way

by Flagrant on Jan 2, 2012 9:22 AM CST reply actions  

I just went to NBA.com to read the DMC story.

How is it that all the basketball fans who can write coherent sentences and not resort to name calling are located on this site?

Live And Stupid From England

by JonesTheCat on Jan 2, 2012 9:31 AM CST reply actions  

Peer pressure

stupid cat….

Seriously, I think the long side conversations about philosophy and religion tend to drive off the kind of people you’re talking about. CH likes to see its f-bombs drenched in ironic context with maybe a sprinkle of mulitlingual punistry thrown in.

What's wrong with the NBA is what's wrong with the USA: too much respect for superstars and not enough for working class heroes.

by TMiss on Jan 2, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

CH is a pretty classy place

SnP and TimAllen and others have set a really solid tone that the majority of poster at least try and roll with, obviously it’s not perfect but one of my absolute favorite reasons for coming here for hoops talk is that most people at least post/debate in a respectable way….even if it’s in a heated disagreement

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 2, 2012 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I can agree with that

CH is miles better than any board I’ve ever been a part of. I think partly because the only people who could still care about the Wolves (before this year) had to be true fans. And also because of how well the site is ran.

by TO12 on Jan 2, 2012 10:51 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

+1,000,000

I made the mistake of clicking on a link to the Heat Index (brought to you by the good folks at ESPN) after the Wovles/Heat tilt and could not believe the level of discourse in the comments section. Truly the decline of western civilization.

by hoopsfan1 on Jan 2, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

To this comment
These early games are handing players all the rope they need to either pull themselves up or to hang themselves with.

I say it appears that there will be a lot of botched hangings because even with all that rope I’m not sure a lot of the players know what to do with it.

Can we all say it together…“Rubio and Love are off limits.”

"My love for Jerry Kill knows no bounds." - Jeffrick

by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 2, 2012 10:05 AM CST reply actions  

"It."

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Classic PoorDick

The artist formally known as Shane Heal, but FORMERLY known as Blakeley

by Shane Heal on Jan 2, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

You would be surprised at how

underappreciated these types of comments are by teachers in a classroom setting.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

and

bar rooms everywhere

Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way

by Flagrant on Jan 2, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

and we won't call you Shirley, either...

"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson

by SoDakHmr on Jan 2, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

My

hero.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

JJ Redick

Is this site buggy for anyone else?

Anyhow tried to post this last night and gave up:

JJ Redick :

Think he would have been a great fit, posted as much elsewhere earlier this season. sadly that cat is out of the bag and he is playing too well for us to have a shot at him.

SnP man dude you’ve become jaded over the years. The Wolves have more than two players pulling their weight. Just do like the rest of us man and black out everything that happened since 2004 it makes it easier :)

by frnorth on Jan 2, 2012 10:46 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I can't use this site in IT

both Firefox and Chrome work fine.

by zebano on Jan 2, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I've been using Chrome since it launched,

and it works so well I never notice it. I forget how aggravating IE was.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 2, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

playing volleyball with two hot women and doing yoga?

Is there a signup sheet for that?

"My love for Jerry Kill knows no bounds." - Jeffrick

by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 2, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Where does the line start for that program??

"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson

by SoDakHmr on Jan 2, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Here is probably my best keeping Derrick Williams argument

Why isn’t the conversation “Find players that compliment Williams and Love?”

Williams is proving to be a pretty good offensive player. I really like the fact that Adleman isn’t giving him anything easy and forcing him to be a team player first, but the guy has skill and a lot of it.

Tolliver/Williams/Love is a frontcourt you can win with. A lot of versatility there. Tolliver can guard anyone, Love has become a terrific post defensive player, Williams ain’t even that bad, but Tolliver allows you to hide Williams defensively.

We don’t have a true center sure….so why don’t we try and pool everything we got to find a 2 guard who is a lockdown defensive player to minimize the weakness of the starting 5?

You telling me if we got Igodoua in fire sale we couldn’t win and even possibly contend with a starting 5 of Rubio/Iggy/Williams/Love/Tolliver? There is maybe one bad defensive player in that group and they can all ball offensively.

Williams I believe will be awesome, if you think he’s going to bust then absolutely you’re opinion should be trade but if you think he can be a sweet player in this league….I’d just as soon try and find ways to make it work with your most talented players as opposed to shipping one off because he isn’t a perfect fit

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 2, 2012 11:22 AM CST reply actions  

Alternatively

You could throw $10 Million at SG in Free Agency next offseason. But that leaves no asset but Williams, if he still has value, to throw at SF and C issues.

Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.

by Ebomb on Jan 2, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

No way to an SG in FA

They’re a rare enough commodity as it is. In 2012 or so there are a lot of teams with cap space, and whoever gets one in FA will have to dramatically overpay.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

But that's the alternative.

Free Agent starters are expensive.

Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.

by Ebomb on Jan 2, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

YOUR POINT

DIDN’T REGISTER WITH ME AT FIRST!!!!

(but now it stands).

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks.

I’m trying to compensate for missing the game last night.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 2, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

How ever often some one brings up

The idea of trading Williams for older, non-all star players

I think it’s only fair if I’m criticized for counter the opinion too much to also criticize the notion of moving Williams….because I basically only bring this up in response to those sentiments

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 2, 2012 12:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

This can be a contending team with Tolliver in the starting lineup

But The Wolves must get a legit 2-guard for that to happen. A solid, defensively-sound scrappy player is great for a starting lineup, but you need to be good-to-very-good at every other position.

The nice thing about Tolliver (and the reason I think we need to lock him up to an extension ASAP) is that he can guard the 3-4-5 spots. So depending on match-ups, you slide DW and Love appropriately on the defensive side of the ball.

by foobee on Jan 2, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Williams isn't a 3

from everything I’ve seen.

by zebano on Jan 2, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, but...

the new look Love with his step back three just might be.

Love/Williams/Tolliver can be effective. I’m not sure it matters who is the 3, 4 or 5.

by Andy B on Jan 2, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Sometimes

…maybe. Positions in basketball are diminishing, but not gone. DWill and Love are 4’s bordering on 5’s. Even Beas isn’t quick enough to be a 3. Tolly just barely cuts it because of length and effort.

by TO12 on Jan 2, 2012 12:34 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

4.5 + 4.5 = 4 + 5?

If D-THRill 4/5 tweeners, what type of SF complements them?
AT would be the poor man’s version of AR or BEasy with BBIQ transplants.

by WinTheLottery on Jan 2, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

...
Williams I believe will be awesome, if you think he’s going to bust then absolutely you’re opinion should be trade but if you think he can be a sweet player in this league

There is a middle ground. He could also be a pretty good player, or an average player. What you should think is that there is a set of likelihoods that he reaches each of these eventualities. We can all have different and legitimate opinions on what those likelihoods are. Those likelihoods should effect what kind of an offer we would accept for Williams, but they shouldn’t change our interest in trading him.

The really important issue with Williams is “what position does he play?”. It really looks like he is a 4. If Adelman thinks a front-court duo of Love and Williams is an acceptable starting combination. I am fine with keeping Williams. However, I am skeptical that is the case.

Sure, Rubio/Iggy/Williams/Love/Tolliver would be excellent (although I don’t see how we get Iggy that cheap). However, I would be much more excited about Rubio/Dudley/Iggy/Love/Gortat with JJ, Luke and Tolliver coming off the bench. That is a team with an honest shot at winning it all in each of the next 3 years.

by vjl110 on Jan 2, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Fair enough

I thunk you’re gonna need a volume guy somewhere.

Doesn’t have to be Williams….but I do believe in having at least one volume guy…maybe iggy can be that but he has kinda of settled into the ultra efficiencet guy he’s been over the last two/three seasons

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 2, 2012 12:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Love is scoring quite a few points these days....

I don’t think it matters that he’s not the type of shot creator that a lot of scorers are. Rubio can create shots for people. He’s our crunch time guy.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 2, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Philadelphia looks good this season

Collins and that entire team seem to be engaged. Everything I read said their new ownership wants to make the playoffs. I just don’t see a Philly firesale, until, at the earliest, this offseason, but even then, unlikely in my opinion.

Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.

by Ebomb on Jan 2, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

There are other options

Igodoua seems to be the ultimate compliment to love and Rubio but there are other players out there to be gotten

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 2, 2012 12:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Couldn't watch the game and wondering about AR

The first three games seemed more reasonable from him compared to pre-season and last year. How did he look last night? His stat line wasn’t so impressive, but that doesn’t all tell you how active someone is on the defensive end or how well they are working wihthin the offense (passing rather than jacking up a crazy shot and so on).
I have some distant hope that he can turn in to some type of 5 for us so we don’t have to use an asset to try to get one. I know he has to bulk up, but he has good length and can elevate to block shots.

by hoopsfan1 on Jan 2, 2012 11:43 AM CST reply actions  

I'm still holding out hope for AR as well...

He looked pretty good for awhile last night, but he had a couple brain-farts in the 3rd and got pulled. AR remains the only poor-performing Wolf I want Adelman to keep in the rotation at least through January.

by vjl110 on Jan 2, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

True.

Adolph can probably play the 3 as well as either of them. But you are right that one of Beas/Wes will need to keep getting some minutes until Webster gets healthy or we swing a trade. I’d cut Wes off completely and give Beasley 15-20 per at the 3.

by vjl110 on Jan 2, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I love

“Adolph” . . .

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Wes is a biplane.

Beas is a jetliner with a malfunctioning autopilot.
AR is a sleek new experimental aircraft that takes off beautifully, and then parts start falling off, the copilot ejects but his parachute carries him into a high voltage power line, the pilot ejects but gets skewered on a church steeple, and the plane crashes, bounces and bursts into flames on a day care center.

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 2, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

AR as a three

hmmm….
vjl1.1million, I trust your opinion on these things far more than my own, but the record on Randolph as a three is pretty sparse. Having said that, why not? He’s agile enough, got good length. If Paul George can be a 7’ two, why can’t AR be a 7’ three?*

*and yes I know that neither are actually 7’.

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 2, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Eh.

He’ll drift out there naturally even if you call him a center.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

i care where he plays on d the most

If he drifts a bit on the offensive end it leaves the lane a bit more open. Big contrast to Darko clogging everything up.

by hoopsfan1 on Jan 2, 2012 1:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Good

point.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope Darko learns some Spanish

At least “get the #$@% out of the way”.

by hoopsfan1 on Jan 2, 2012 1:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

At least

HIs Win Shares are now positive for the season. I feel like I have more hope for AR than Beasley in maturing both on and off the court and learning how to play within their skill sets. AR definitely looks engaged on the court, especially defensively. If he just stops taking long jumpers, even though he made one against Dallas, I can live with some of his brain farts, because he’ll be productive.

Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.

by Ebomb on Jan 2, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

...
I feel like I have more hope for AR than Beasley in maturing both on and off the court and learning how to play within their skill sets

Just more hope in general. Adolph has had several very productive sustained stretches at a very young age. He clearly has a nice set of NBA skills. There seems to be some crucial “it” that he is lacking, but there is very legitimate reason to keep hoping. He is a different case than Beasley and Wes who both have not been good at any point in their NBA careers.

by vjl110 on Jan 2, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely

I’ts just been those brain fart issues that have kept him off the court with every one of his coaches. Adelman/Bayno’s time to shine.

Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.

by Ebomb on Jan 2, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

It's just smarts

He tries to do something every time he touches the ball. Adelman needs to get it into his head that his path to success starts with defense and being a low-usage finisher. He seems to bring good effort and energy and doesn’t have bad body language or anything, he just does dumb things with shocking frequency. I guess we have to remember he’s still like 22 years old.

He should run the floor, make cuts, dive in pick and rolls, crash the glass and shoot if he’s wide open. No awful contested runners, pull-up jumpers or fadeaways. There’s a living to be made off the ball on this team, just stop freaking turning it over or bricking a shot every time you touch it!

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 2, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

The Problem Is

Blocked shots notwithstanding, AR is a very poor defender. He doesn’t have the instincts to cover the perimeter, and he lacks the bulk to succeed in post ups.

by Vlade on Jan 2, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

bummer

The long 2s seem to be his downfall. When I saw 1-6 I figured it was back to the long jumpers.

by hoopsfan1 on Jan 2, 2012 1:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

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