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I don't know what to tell you about this one. What else is there to say about a team led my a magical Spanish Unicorn and Agape, the Oregon god of rebounding, shooting nearly 70% at the start of the 4th quarter against a rapidly aging team without its best player (lost in the 1st half with a broken bone in his hand)?

Not a whole lot.

At some point this has to come crashing back towards earth, right? Let's not think about that. Let's dance with lamps and talk about the places we must be. Here. Home.

Closed circuit to Section 121, you don't need a series of theme nights for the island of misfit toys. You do just fine with a banana, a pimp, Buzz Lightyear, and might I suggest a man in a big suit?

Random thoughts

  • Here is a list of Wes Johnson's 2010/11 games. Click on the "game score" column to sort the file with the Laker game at the top. That's his best effort. He shot well and did stuff. Now look down the list. Click on the date file to put the games in chronological order. Look at the FTA column. See the 3 six game stretches with no free throw attempts? See the streaks with 5? Look, as hard as I am on the guy for not being very good at professional basketball, if he is going to "turn things around" it will have to be in a few key areas. He's not a guy who can break people down off the dribble and he's not a guy who can bank on super spot up shooting. Let's just wipe those things off the board. He is going to butter his bread by playing super hustle defense, rebounding, blocking shots, and--playing off what has amazingly been his best NBA skill--passing off the dribble. 6-6 is an ok game. He's had a few of those. What the team needs is more than 2 rebounds, 1 block and no FTAs from their long and athletic 2 guard. Did everyone catch Kawhi Leonard tonight? That's basically the role: be active, rebound, defend, don't hesitate on the open shot if you have it, don't turn it over.
  • One of the best signs that Ricky Rubio is a pretty damn good point guard came in the 2nd corner when he got the ball to a wide open Wes Johnson for a corner 3 attempt. Wes couldn't pull the trigger and the ball was kicked back out to Rubio, who proceeded to set up the floor for a cross court pass back to Johnson for the open 3, which this time, he hit. At some point confidence matters, even for the so-so to bad players. It's nice to see the point guard force feed a guy that needs some confidence within the flow of the game. That's the sign of a true maestro.
  • This was far and away the best game for the Wolves starters as a group. They all scored in double figures while shooting over .500. They also all played over 20 minutes, with Michael Beasley and Kevin Love making it past the 40 minute mark.
  • It was also the best game, by far, for Beasley. B-easy was active on defense, hustling, keeping his head up, and, best of all, he largely eschewed the 16-23 foot jumper that his entire NBA career has been based upon. If he is going to contribute to this team, and in this offense, it will have to be by either taking another step back on those long 2s or by taking it into the lane. 10 of his 15 shots were from within 15 feet. 2 of the remaining 3 were from beyond the arc. Next up, drawing fouls. (An added bonus of his drives to the hoop are collapsing defenses and open 3s.)
Well folks, that about does it. Next up, Memphis. Can Our Beloved Puppies find the .500 mark beyond 2 games for the first time since the Dwane Casey era? We shall wait and see.

Go Wolves.

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There is no crashing back to earth

I was in no way surprised we won these two games.
Nervous, but no surprised.

This is it.
Here we come.

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by HumdingerTV on Jan 2, 2012 11:07 PM CST reply actions  

This game WAS the crashing back to Earth

For the past two years, we were lost in the Biangle Galaxy.

by mg7505 on Jan 2, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions  

looking at the 4th quarter box-score...

…there was a “little” crashing back to Earth…. but not enough to care.

Still have my Foye jersey. Hey- at least she TRIED! :--)

by LoveLovesLove on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

12 points in the 4th

Isn’t going to win you a lot of games…unless your shooting 70% I guess

by MrBungle85 on Jan 3, 2012 4:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

or unless you're #1 in the NBA in 4th quarter defense

compared to 30th last year

"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman

by Action on Jan 3, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice recap

But weren’t the Wolves 1-1 last season after winning vs Milwaukee? That was Love’s awkward handshake game I believe.

Joe Mauer grounded out to second
Bill Smith - Buy high, Hold high, Sell for a bag of chips

by GWST11 on Jan 2, 2012 11:09 PM CST reply actions  

shit, good catch....

..changes made

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

also

we were 1-0 to start the J. Flynn era

REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.

by uofmike on Jan 2, 2012 11:36 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

and 0-15

to end it.

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by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

And 2-3

A.F.A.R.B.B.R.A.R.

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by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

if anyone can make beas efficient, it's RA

But I gotta temper my optimism with some skepticism…more accurately, I guess I should permit a touch of RA-inspired optimism into my skepticism.

by monkeywolf on Jan 2, 2012 11:12 PM CST reply actions  

I wonder

If tonight was some of the fruit of Adelman’s conversation with Beasley about how and where to get his shots. I couldn’t watch the game, but were most of Beas’ shots in the flow of the offense or classic dribble stop iso’s?

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 2, 2012 11:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

He was a little better that way this game

Still some isos, but he wasn’t massaging the ball too much. He even made a couple of nice passes. Made a skip pass to Love, who missed a three, and seemed to be looking to pass the ball a little.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 3, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Beas had a number of passes batted away..

Must be tough getting used to passing and all. Nice to see the effort though.

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 12:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

He’s not there yet, but he seems to really be making an effort to find guys.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 3, 2012 12:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I was impressed by Beas last night

There were 2 long 2s that I remember, a charge (acceptable in my opinion since it means he’s driving) and a lot of drive + kick and even more drive + shoot. I hesitate to say it but I think RA left Love in there too long, he looked a bit tired and was missing 3s at the end of the game (still had a 4th quarter block though).

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 7:22 AM CST up reply actions  

He's afraid Adelman will sit him again

if he doesn’t play the right way. No more “ball stops here” offense. It’s amazing to see the effect RA has on a team after just a few games.

"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman

by Action on Jan 3, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

He just coaches the right way

No games or gimmicks, no false motivation. Play right and he’ll let you make mistakes and let you learn.

by TO12 on Jan 3, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Let's see about that

With AR’s DNP-CD last night.

For those wondering, Beas is also finally into positive WS/48 after last night.

Lastly – do we need to worry about giving Love too many minutes? Dude is playing a ton. Here’s hoping for some blowout wins so he can rest in the 4th.

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 3, 2012 10:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

He'll be the SF by the end of the year

He’s gotta be burning 4,000 calories a night

then we don’t have to worry about trading Williams

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by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Love was gassed at the end of the game.

His shot was falling like an armored car going over the side of a bridge.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know why AR sat

I thought he played great against the Heat, scoring 14 points and registering a +18, and Love could have used a breather.

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by Action on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

AR was atrocious

In his final minutes against Dallas. A boneheaded technical. A bad turnover, and a couple terrible-decision shots, as I recall. It was bad enough to warrant a one-game DNP-CD punishment.

by stuntmonkeys on Jan 3, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Really that's always been true of Beasley.

The guy has great hands, he just isn’t disciplined enough to know when to try the pass. Lots and lots of turnovers last year started from that basic combination; a little soft exchange from Beasley would get broken up by the opponent.

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by feral on Jan 3, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Last night

He seemed to have trouble gripping the ball (a few times the ball just slipped away from him) – which I can understand with the index and middle fingers on his dominant hand taped together. I am amazed he shot as well as he did, but I wonder if the tape job is the reason for his lack of long twos.

by stuntmonkeys on Jan 3, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

He will win MVP

It is impossible to get too geeked. One of the reasons why I’m so quick to the trigger about getting a competent wing player is because I’m pretty certain they have a historical anomaly. They have the Black Swan. I wrote a post about him being a KG level guy but you nailed his comp. I won’t compare those two either because I grew up on the Celtics, but…yeah. This is as close as it gets beyond Dirk. He’s a stupid good basketball player.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 11:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

He had some Dirk-esque moves against Dallas.

The front foot fade away (or something close to it), an up and under, and something about his pose in the post..

by zero_on_up on Jan 2, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

he also had 3 steals and 2 blocks!

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by Rasho Revolution on Jan 3, 2012 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Good point.

I like to look at turnovers minus (steals + blocks) … sort of a “net turnovers” calculation. Not as accurate as TO%, but whatever. Love had 6 TOs tonight, but 5 steals/blocks — so only 1 net turnover. Can’t ask for much more.

by mg7505 on Jan 3, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking today

about what a usage percentage stat would look like if it included offensive rebounds and steals and used a “net possessions” type of divisor. So I’d even add Love’s OREB’s because they add possessions as well.

by BeasleBong on Jan 3, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I was sold last year, but my jaw dropped when I saw him on the three point line, take a big step to begin a drive that he stopped before picking up his pivot foot, pulled himself back behind the line (which usually precedes an off-balance shot) and nailed the trey.

That was NOT a jab-step, step-back move. It was way different. And he made it look effortless. Sure he was in the zone, but that’s the kind of play that the great ones make — they do what everyone else is coached NOT to do. But they’re so good that the regular rules don’t apply to them. (i.e. It’s not a bad habit if the shot drops regularly.)

I’m 100% sold on Love. I only wish that he played for S.A.

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by J.R. Wilco on Jan 3, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

One theory is

he’s gaining wisdom from Jack Sikma, who’s now on the Wolves’ bench. Apparently, Sikma used a step-back move quite well.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm fine with that theory

My point is more that he’s reaching that level where even the non-traditional things he does on the fly are working for him. When you can freelance and make it look rehearsed, THAT is the one of the marks of a star to me.

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by J.R. Wilco on Jan 4, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Isn't that still a result of practice anyhow?

It probably looks so effortless precisely because he’s been working on taking shots like that. It still takes a lot of talent to improvise like that, but the practice is what likely made that shot even possible.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 4, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

The better defense really helps his case

I think he’s going to stop being viewed as a negative on D, and instead be somebody who can guard 4s and 5s.
I’m pretty sure his assists are up this year as well.

Like TO12 says below, he probably needs a 55+ win season to get it (because sportswriters are stupid) but that’s not looking out of the question.

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by HumdingerTV on Jan 2, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Uh... are you upset?

We’re not speculating about how awesome he is.
We’re speculating about him entering the conversation, which is to say, catching the attention of idiots.

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by HumdingerTV on Jan 2, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I was dead wrong.

Give Love lots and lots of money and keep him here.

by saudagg on Jan 2, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

He's stupid good

Agreed, please sign and focus on finding him running mates. We’ve been gifted KG pt. 2.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 11:38 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean

KG 3.0?

I think hes much more effective and plays smarter than KG in my opinion

by andrew33 on Jan 2, 2012 11:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Careful there...

I think we should all remember just how damned good KG was. He was DPOY good, and was versatile enough to even run the point when needed. Along with everything else.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 2, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It's the D that sets him apart

He’s a surefire HOF player that averaged 20-10-5 while playing some of the best defense the league has ever seen. Love is an absurdly efficient player that uses and creates possessions better than almost anyone in the league, but KG’s defense still puts him on another level in my eyes. It’s hard to overstate how good KG’s D was.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 2, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

D, yes

But Love’s rebounding and 3s make up for that.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

This is where player comparisons start to suck

Love is better at some aspects of O, Garnett was a better distributor and ball handler. Love is a better rebounder, but Garnett was the best rebounder at his time too. KG was better in every aspect of D than Love, but Love is 23, newly thin, and improving.

I just want to love them equally.

by BeasleBong on Jan 3, 2012 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

love them equally

just get love kg’s help. that’s it. the talent is equal, the help is not.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

KG's help

meaning Allen, Pierce, Rondo and Perkins? Or the help he had while he was here? Because only one of those will get us a title…

by mg7505 on Jan 3, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Garnett's help

Garnett was blessed almost his entire MN career with great PG play (Marbury/Brandon/Cassell). The team collapsed when we leaned on Marcus Banks and Marko Jaric to run our team. I think the growth of Love and Rubio alone could bring us to be mildly competitive for years. If we could add a Wally/Sprewell level talent at a wing, we’d be a top 4 team in the west for a decade. From there, operation get lucky in the playoffs commences.

by BeasleBong on Jan 3, 2012 12:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Garnett played 927 regular season games with the Wolves. Marbury, Brandon, and Cassell played a combined 509.

The team collapsed when Garnett finally started breaking down.

by Ray Williams? on Jan 3, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Why should MN care

about something that happened in Boston?

The year after our playoff run KG led the league in PER, Win Shares, rebounding, and rebounding percentage while providing top 5 individual defense. We went 44-38 because Sam Cassell broke down and the rest of the team was a bunch of role players (including old Sprewell).

The next year KG finished 5th in the league in PER. He led the league in rebounding while providing top 5 individual defense. We sucked because we relied on the likes of Marcus Banks and Mark Blount to play big minutes for us. Ricky Davis also thought it was a good idea for him to have more shot attempts per game than KG. That was such a bad team.

KG’s last year here he led the league in rebounding and rebounding percentage while being a top 5 defender in the league and posting a PER of 24, good for 5th in the league. We sucked because Ricky Davis was our 2nd best player, Mark Blount, Trenton Hassell, Mike James, Randy Foye, and Marko Jaric were our only other players to average 20 minutes a game.

Just because KG never willed his way to a championship in MN doesn’t mean we have the right to say anything we want about him. Saying he ever broke down with MN is utterly insane. He was a top 5 player in the league on offense and defense every year for his last 8 or 9 years here. If you want to make something up, make something up about Troy Hudson. Say he had 8 toes on his right foot and was bulimic. Make something up about Olowokandi. Say he took a fishing boat to Indonesia twice a summer to eat babies. Don’t say anything blasphemous about Garnett.

by BeasleBong on Jan 4, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you entertain the idea

That he was talking about Garnett breaking down physically near the ends of seasons?

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 4, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't even think to consider it

He missed 6 games each of his last two years, and our teams were more than 6 games out of the playoffs both times. He may have been injured, but he still played and played very well. Even if that is what he’s referring to, I’d still counter (more politely) that those supporting casts were terrible enough that it didn’t matter how good KG played.

by BeasleBong on Jan 4, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

your statement proves my point. The Wolves were a playoff team in every single season we got a healthy Marbury, a healthy Brandon (or Chauncey when he stepped up for an injured Brandon), or a healthy Cassell. Take away the PG’s, and we’ve made the playoffs 0 times ever. Trying to claim Garnett broke down… come on.

by BeasleBong on Jan 4, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Especially for his age

And I remember KG clearly. Love is putting up KG MVP numbers. It’s silly.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Love is gooder than good

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Danny Ferry said last night...

on the SA broadcast that Kevin Love is a “very good player” but quickly dismissed him as “not an MVP level player”.

Wasn’t Ferry a GM recently, now he’s doing color commentary?

It was fun listening to them gripe as the Wolves we’re playing well.

by MarlonMaxeyEra on Jan 3, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry,

My daughters picked it out on Redbox over the weekend.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

It would have worked before he shed the weight,

as would my favored nickname, “Love Handles.” (’Cause he had ’em, and he can pass the rock.)

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by feral on Jan 3, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

It already is quite fun

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 4:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Remember back when

you said trading Mayo for Love was “highway robbery?” I sure do, boy was that ever prescient. it is amazing that there was a huge debate over whether that trade was good or not.

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by the Real Thor on Jan 3, 2012 7:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Anyone still wondering

If loves weight loss is going to effect his rebounding now?

by MrBungle85 on Jan 2, 2012 11:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm wondering

how much better it will make him. He can MOVE now.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 2, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

this

Still have my Foye jersey. Hey- at least she TRIED! :--)

by LoveLovesLove on Jan 3, 2012 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

He actually had two help side blocks last night

if he can add a little rim protection to his repertoire, we are talking 1st team all NBA

by pae808 on Jan 3, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm guessing the volleyball was intentional...

…part of the development to gain quickness. Running in sand will have that effect.

by timmuggs on Jan 3, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Running in sand seems to help Blake Griffin

He doesn’t simply run in sand, however. He runs up sand dunes with a 60-lb weight vest on.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 3, 2012 12:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Small area quickness (SAQ)

trying to navigate around in sand will help SAQ

by pae808 on Jan 3, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Blake Griffin doesn't 'simply' do anything

Except jump over cars. That was pretty simple.

by TO12 on Jan 3, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Anyone

who’s ever been chased by the police can tell you how easy that is.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

But

BG doesn’t have the benefit of the insane adrenaline rush. Just sayin’.

by stuntmonkeys on Jan 3, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

He didn't jump over no damn car.

He kind of jumped over the hood of a car.

That was the most embarrassing piece of propaganda I’ve ever seen put forth by the NBA. That whole thing was so unbelievably weak.

by Ray Williams? on Jan 3, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Agreed

That was the biggest joke I’ve ever seen. He did not deserve to win that.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 3, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

He just has to have

1. The offense of Dirk Nowitzki
2. The defense of Dwight Howard
3. 55 wins in a season on a team made up mostly of questionable youngsters and journeymen backups.

Oh, and if he could re-sign for a hometown discount that’d be amazing, too kthxbai.

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by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

No kidding

People. Do you not see what you have? Holy, holy crap!!!

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

And so it begins

The SnP/Kevin Love man-crush. This might be the happiest I’ve been as a Wolves fan….ever.

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by erikanthony on Jan 3, 2012 2:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure who you're reacting to here?

There are like two trollish posters who denigrate him. But the rest of Canis Hoopus and seemingly the basketball world is rightfully peeing their pants over how good this guy is.

by LoveTo on Jan 3, 2012 5:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Tim Lechler on Sportscenter last night named him a top 10 talent in the NBA so I think people are finally starting to notice.

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 7:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Who am I reacting to?

Apparently some sort of conditioned response ;)

Don’t worry, I got it all out.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

and I remember

waking up after they had traded for him and being pissed we didn’t have Mayo!

"Can someone please help me out, who did wolves pick, doesnt look too positive around here"

by Rasho Revolution on Jan 3, 2012 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank you McHale!!

Joe Mauer grounded out to second
Bill Smith - Buy high, Hold high, Sell for a bag of chips

by GWST11 on Jan 3, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I remember thinking it was a typical McHale shit draft day trade

until I found out that we dumped Antoine Walker and Marko Jaric in the deal. That absolutely reversed my mood.

Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.

by nodnarb on Jan 3, 2012 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I preferred Mayo over Love at the time (stupid, I know)...

but the stuff in the trade outside of Love/Mayo seemed so lopsided in our favor I wasn’t unhappy with the trade at all…dumping Walker and Jaric (and picking up Mike Miller, which seemed like a good move at the time)

by LosAngelesTWolf on Jan 3, 2012 12:55 AM CST up reply actions  

this

was exactly my feeling at the time. Perhaps the non-Mayo/Love portion of the deal showed that McHale had learned something from the Roy/Foye six of one/half a dozen of the other experience. I’ve been wondering for some time about the learning curve for GM’s and where our Mr. K stands now.

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by pastyearsears on Jan 3, 2012 1:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Miller

Part of the package that netted Rubio.

They say it's always darkest just before dawn and man, was it dark last year. Come to think of it, I'm not needing my sunglasses this year, either.

by SBG on Jan 3, 2012 6:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I am entertained

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by the Real Thor on Jan 3, 2012 7:56 AM CST up reply actions  

He needs to do nothing more statistically

But his team has to win games, get to the playoffs, and then he has to be a playoff stud. You don’t get MVP until you do that. Period. He can… in time. But with guys like Rose, Lebron, etc. Love may never get an MVP. Who cares?

I’ll take a ring instead please.

by Rodman99 on Jan 2, 2012 11:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Nooooooooooooo!!!

You can’t control for any of this. These are not the droids you are looking for!!! He can’t choose or play well enough to “get a ring”. That requires luck. We don’t know if that will occur. What we do know….(insert Love’s stats here).

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Duh

But who’s voting? The writers, that’s who.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 2, 2012 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

And when are they voting? At the end of the regular season, that's when.

Dirk won MVP and then his Mavs got trounced in the first round by the #8 seed Warriors. Maybe Rodman99’s “has to be a playoff stud” rule applies to previous playoffs? That still doesn’t work with Derrick Rose last year.

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by feral on Jan 3, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Derrick Rose was already a playoff stud

Before last years monster run. He proved himself in the bright lights in two previous playoff performances (epic series against the peak Celtics).

I’m going with history, not providing an opinion. Name an MVP who’s never been to the playoffs?

by Rodman99 on Jan 3, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Never been? I don't know.

I know one who’d never advanced past the first round, and therefore hadn’t particularly been “a playoff stud.” Cough. Cough.

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by feral on Jan 3, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

My point is I don't get excited by Love's stats

I get excited by Love winning games. WAY more fun.

by Rodman99 on Jan 2, 2012 11:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

And, amazingly..

…when he is surrounded by good production….

GET HIM A WING PLAYER!!!

(BTW: when the wolves were down with 5 seconds to go against miami, who got the ball ;))

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 11:48 PM CST up reply actions  

That never happens in games

I don’t what your talking about. ;-)

by Rodman99 on Jan 2, 2012 11:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree though

The moments with Wes knocking down J’s and Beas taking it to the hole, Love and Rubio doing their thing, gave us glimpses of what this team can be (i.e. what the roles are and how this model can work). Still probably need some upgrades in personnel but as we are now, we can surprise a lot of people.

by Rodman99 on Jan 2, 2012 11:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Love can "win" a handful of games,

just like any other dominant player. One player can’t make a crappy team win a bunch of games. It’s just not possible.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 2, 2012 11:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Kobe couldn't win with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown and Co.

Joe Mauer grounded out to second
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by GWST11 on Jan 2, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions  

YES!

KG couldn’t win without Sam I Am putting up a ws/48 of .200+. It takes help. Big help.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Or Deron Williams...

Who was a “franchise player” and a “winner” on Utah, but then was traded to New Jersey and is now surrounded by pure awfulness. Is he now a loser?

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by Shane Heal on Jan 3, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

yes

but it has nothing to do with New Jersey.

Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.

by nodnarb on Jan 3, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

It's hard to say.

the 2009-2010 Cavs won more games with James than the 2010-2011 Cavs won without him, but the Cavs only returned eight players that season from the previous one. They lost Ilgauskas, Shaq, Mo Williams, and Delonte West among others.

It’s not so easy to say the Cavs won with LeBeeeyotch and lost without him.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 2:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Plus

I think there was some tanking for the 1st pick thrown in there as well. and moral seemed to also play a big role in that collapse. that whole team just seemed to have it’s hart ripped out by LeBron throwing them the middle finger in his Dear John letter.

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by the Real Thor on Jan 3, 2012 8:12 AM CST up reply actions  

They didn't lose Mo Williams.

They traded him during the offseason. They also got Antawn Jamison for the whole season.

You really want to attribute a significant portion of the change to those bums? They went from 61-21 to 19-63. Give the man his due.

by Ray Williams? on Jan 3, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't doubt the Lebron effect....

But when they lost Andy too I knew they were in for some putrid ball. Andy’s no stud, but it meant they went from a net positive big to Hollins.

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by Airete on Jan 3, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Nobody can be compared to lebron.

Hate to say it, but he’s the best and it’s by a wide margin.

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I hate to say that too

So I dont, and I ust pretend it’s not true.

by TO12 on Jan 3, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

There were also seasons before that with player turnover

But they were consistently contenders with their only serious threat being James, IIRC.

by Doctor_Teh on Jan 3, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I had that relization during last night's game too

Love is one of the very top players in the league right now. Once we get on the correct side of .500 and/or the playoffs he will be a perrenial MVP canidate.

The media and masses have been slow (like Kurt Rambis slow) to come around on Love, but it is too painfully obvious at this point. He might have one of the (if not the) most complete games in the league, and right now the amount that he does for us each game is astounding.

Let’s hear some Love love. He seems to have been lost in all the hype of this season, but he is our man.

by TO12 on Jan 3, 2012 7:28 AM CST up reply actions  

His own team being slow is the real disappointing thing

It’s like an economist missing the housing bubble. Those people shouldn’t still be making decisions. “Who could have predicted?” Whoever said that shouldn’t be making decisions.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Haha, it's all a joke looking back on it

I agree the ingorance is painful. But you really couldn’t have predicted K-Love turning into such a destructive basketball playing monster. This is almost unfathomable.

I feel like you could really make a case to take him over any other player in the league to start a team. You could make real strong case for probably only 4 other guys over Love, but you could make just as good of case to take Love over them too.

by TO12 on Jan 3, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

There is a story

my dad used to tell me, now I know this is probably one of those Myth stores but it goes like this, one of those big wig uber rich families patrons (i think it was supposed to be senior Kennedy) is getting his shoe shined in 1929 and happens to ask the shoe shine boy what the stock market is going to do, the shoe shiner responds, “why its going to go up!” Kennedy turns to his friend/advisor/stranger? and says “well if even the shoe shine guy knows the stock market is going ot go up, then maybe it is time to get out.”

while the story may be a myth, the point of it stands. when every one agrees that something is going to happen in the financial market then that means we are probably poised for it to go the opposite way. the housing bubble is similar, any trained financial person who couldn’t predict a housing collapse when the banks where falling over themselves to hand out NINJA loans shouldn’t be trusted.

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by the Real Thor on Jan 3, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You say that a lot

Who could have predicted THIS is what he meant in context.
I don’t think anyone predicted Love would be this good. Would you agree he has exceeded the expectations of even the most optimistic advocate? It’s pretty stunning really.

And he keeps getting better.

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by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

No way

The signs have been clear for quite some time. It was clear before 31/31 when he was getting sub 30 mpg. It was clear when they thought Ryan Hollins should start over him. It didn’t take a rocket scientist to look at what he did with 25-28 mpg and think about what that would mean with more touches in 35 minutes.

Not only that, but it took the guy who couldn’t have predicted 2 f’ing years to realize that he has one of the best pick and roll assets in the universe at his disposal….in a pick and roll league. We got the biangle. It is great that they’re close but there is no way this was part of a “plan” or some sort of coherent strategy by that guy.

The trump card that guy has is that he got the pick that got Rubio. We thank him for that.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

You foresaw 25/15?

I’m not doubting it’s possible, just trying to remember when that realization kicked in. I remember you posting a hope for 18/15 with a wink once and I thought you were crazy optimistic. I had no idea Love was good for 25 a game, though, and I can’t remember reading anyone who thought he might be. Could be wrong.

by TheH on Jan 3, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Getting back to the original point

It took a 31/31 game to get him 35 mpg. They were then surprised he did the amazing things he did at 25-28 mpg at 35 mpg with more touches. That’s a pretty clear indicator that they had no idea what they had in the guy.

I didn’t foresee any sort of number. I’m pretty sure I knew what they had.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it's possible to condemn Kahn/Rambis for not realizing what Love was

(which is true) but also to admit that this level of dominance is unexpected.

by LoveTo on Jan 3, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

The problem I have with it is the same I had at the time:

It was a classic "who could have known?" quote from someone who didn’t. It was even used as an example of their player development, instead of them simply having a great player that they finally started to use correctly.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

In fairness to Kahn (but not letting him off the hook)

Love is such a completely different player now it’s almost hard to recognize him if you watch rookie highlights of him

I always thought he would be a good PF and I thought he was the better asset than Jefferson (as I felt neither was a no.1 but Love’s game would work a lot better with a supposed no.1) but this guy has turned into a legitimate franchise option, and a lot to do on his own doing.

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by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Right. Horrible thing for Kahn to say. Reflected stupidity.

At the same time…

I can remember almost everyone, even the most optimistic of Love supporters back then, saying Love was an “ultra-role player” and things like that. Put him with a pair of high-usage stars, it went, and he’d produce in the gaps of the offense.

That’s still kind of true. But people after the second year said things like “great player, could be a 17-14 guy with starters minutes.” He’s become a legitimate go-to force. I made my screen name after him and I never thought he could average 25 points a game.

by LoveTo on Jan 3, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

not really

there were plenty of us at the time of the draft who saw Love as a potential future star, had to go back 30+ years to even find good comps for him, etc.

It’s a little funny (and sad) how much crap SnP has gotten for being a Kahn basher, when he really was quite tempered and cautious in his early opinions. SnP gave Kahn a lot more rope than I ever did – as soon as Kahn made his proclamation that Love’s ceiling was ‘4th best’, it was pretty clear that he was a dolt. SnP, in fact, was the poster who came to Kahn’s defense (sort of), when I made a fanpost comparing our new PoBO to Isiah Thomas after his first few singular moves.

by rickyp on Jan 3, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Kahn got *a lot* of rope from Wolves fans in general.

His letters were well-received, his opening press conference got lots of good responses.

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by feral on Jan 3, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Just to be clear...

I’m not giving SnP crap here. I would qualify as a ‘Kahn basher’ as well, in that I think he deserves to lose his job immediately.

I’m taking this stance more out of respect for Love than defense of Kahn. I think Love has blown away what most people said he could do, even though most people said he could do more than the Wolves seemed to think he could.

by LoveTo on Jan 3, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah - sorry, the SnP/Kahn stuff wasn't directed at you

it just ended up in the same post :)

I spent way too much time arguing over on twolves central at the time of the draft and then the mayo/love trade about that Love was in fact the high-risk, potential superstar pick, and Mayo was the high floor/ low ceiling guy. It wasn’t just me, of course, there were a good number of other posters who felt the same, some of whom are posting in this thread :D and almost all the ‘stat geek’ analysts were salivating over Love’s potential.
My thoughts on Love (vs Mayo), before he ever set foot on an NBA court:

“Love is the boom/bust guy. He’s got skills and talent that are so unusual people are going back 30+ years to try and find good comps for him” “might end up being one of the best in the league at his position” “Love is the ‘maybe’ ‘future star’ player…”

by rickyp on Jan 3, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes

Let’s be honest… he came into the league a bit overweight (he’d turn purple every game) with limited interest in playing D.

But he has evolved and improved so much. I honestly can’t think of a player who has surprised me so much. Every time he shoots a 3 (after several makes) I keep thinking “there is no way he makes another” (going with the law of averages) an bam he does. It is a joy to watch. Him stepping up his D caps it all off.

by Rodman99 on Jan 3, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Kurt Rambis

started Ryan Hollins in front of Love for an entire season. We aren’t talking about “starting” in the sense that Adelman starts Wes either. Rambis legitimately took significant minutes away from Love and gave them to Ryan Hollins.

There really isn’t anything that needs to be said beyond that.

by vjl110 on Jan 3, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

That was a drop-dead moment for Rambis, really.

His explanation at the time…. God, I feel miserable just thinking back. The bowling glove can safely be buried now.

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by feral on Jan 3, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

It really is insane

that it took a 31/31 game to get him minutes. I remember watching that and being really pissed off….and watching the crap they threw out there instead and thinking WTH?

by anet on Jan 3, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Many of us did.

Maybe not quite that much, but numbers very close to that were regularly thrown out lllooonnnggg before the 31/31 game. Anyone comfortable projecting low minute stats and assuming a pretty standard 19/20 year old’s progression, was positively giddy about what Love was to become. Thanks to his impressive offseason work-ethic Love has outpaced all but the most optimistic projections, but he is certainly within the range that many of us anticipated 2 years ago.

by vjl110 on Jan 3, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Wait, you're saying someone can improve after coming into the league?

I thought the dogma here was that everyone stays exactly the same as when they enter the league? shrug

And nobody predicted what Love has turned into. “we think love needs more minutes” does not mean “if love gets minutes he will be one of the top 5 in the league”.

On another topic though, vj, you should probably take your rubio projection post and send it to all the NBA front offices as the front page of your scouting resume yesterday.

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

That Rubio post was prescient. That was some excellent work.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

You're quite wrong about more than one thing here.

September, 2009, me:

Karl Malone never rebounded quite as well as Love did last year, by percentage, and the rookie comparisons aren’t there because the Mailman wasn’t that great as a rookie anyway. Love’s shot would really have to come around. Imagine, though. In theory he does have a mid-range game….

September ’09 is before his second season.

The game of “nobody predicted it” is one you can only play by moving the goalposts in terms of what you’ll accept as a “prediction.” All the Wins Produced folks, obnoxious as Dave Berri can be, have been sky-high over Kevin Love from extremely early on.

Getting past that, if you think “the dogma” is that players never change, you haven’t been paying attention.

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by feral on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Here is a...

link to the WP48 numbers from the 09/10 season.

by vjl110 on Jan 3, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Piling on...
So Wins Produced suggests that Kevin Love is not only the best player in Minnesota, but possibly one of the best players in the NBA. It has been suggested before in this column that the threshold for stardom in the NBA is a WP48 of .200 (a .200 player produces twice as many wins as an average player per 48 minutes) and that the threshold for "superstardom" is .300.

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by vjl110 on Jan 3, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I do remember that article...

Fair enough. I also remember the author sounding fairly incredulous that he was even saying it…

But I also know that “players never change” is repeated here more often than is reasonable, especially in regards to very young players – the type you see change and evolve in any profession.

I was alright with it until after the heat game when it was proclaimed that “wolves lost this game because of turnovers and a large lack of talent”.

They’ve had talent the past two years, they’ve just had the most otherworldly bad coaching that the league might have ever seen.

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

re: changes, see below

turtles, hamsters. players change. they don’t often change types/levels.

Maybe we have a definition-based disagreement. I think talent gets results. Instead of watching the otherworldly Kevin Love run up and down the court pretty much by himself (and Tolliver), this year Rubio, Barea, Tolliver and a patchy Randolph/Williams join him (sometimes Ridnour). Hopefully the rising tide will lift even the crappiest boats, just by a little. I just don’t think it will change things into what they are not.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Good young players typically improve...

bad players, who show no production very rarely improve.

One year of poor play (see Wes) may be a bit early, but there are very few examples of players who don’t at least play well, for a rookie, who become good players. I feel comfortable giving up on Wes because he has the added problem of age. He needs to have shown something by now.

Beasley has had 3 season and failed to play well in any of them. He is what he is.

Good players get better, bad players play the same. There are always outliers, but historically this seems to be the way it works.

by vjl110 on Jan 3, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

And herein is my complaint with the analysis.

Statistics (god I can’t believe I’m saying this but bear with me) only chart the result of whatever action was taken. They provide an excellent method of investigating what has happened.

They, however, do not take into account (because it’s probably impossible) the question: “should this action even be what you should be trying to do?”.
If the best action to attempt is hit a guy on a cut and all he is ever used for is to be a stand-still shooter (wes)…. If someone who has no business being a primary ballhandler is asked to facilitate all offense through the post (darko)…
If someone who launches too many shots is given significant freedom (beasley)…
If someone who is likely a generational passer who is asked to hand off the ball and go sit in the corner (rubio)…
If someone is a lights out shooter, bad passer, and is asked to run the point (luke)…
If these things are happening it’s highly possible that the statistical representation of their seasons might not be indicitative of their talent or abilities.
I’d say something about flynn if I thought there was any redemption for him but some players just really don’t have any hope.

My viewpoint is that, with young players especially, coaching is paramount. And I’m a numbers guy in almost every way shape and form, but sometimes they are not the right tool.

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

This is why I hold out some hope for Beasley becoming a good player

even though the stat predictions aren’t great for him. I’m not seeing anything with Wes that gives me hope for the future though.

Luke and Darko have some usefulness as long as they stay in their lane (coaching effect).

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 3, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Luke and Darko are actually both having very good years thus far.

That said, given Portland’s depth on the wing, their looming paydays to guys like Wallace and Batum, and their thin PG/frontcourt, I’m on the phone like, yesterday, offering Ridnour for Wes Matthews.

by jianfu on Jan 3, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

This is a good point.

I’m not sure if you were intentionally bringing this into the conversation but this…

They, however, do not take into account (because it’s probably impossible) the question: "should this action even be what you should be trying to do?".

reminds me that there is one very good reason bad players almost never turn it around… They stop getting PT.

by vjl110 on Jan 3, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Also...

…let’s not forget the key part of Adelman’s excellent coaching vis-a-vis Rambis: he plays the good players.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

It was intentional, and my entire point.

And I think you have a good point as well for what happens when “round” player is attempted to be forced into a “square” player hole… It is found that they suck at it. And they are shut down.

One of the most telling of these is Rubio. His euro numbers were spectacularly bad his last year there. Was it because he was awful and had no talent? No, he was a square peg in a round hole. But if you go strictly off of statistical analysis you miss the entire point; that he was being used impossibly incorrectly.

Or maybe he was a turtle and turned into a duck? ;-)

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

this argument

1. Players produce poorly for many reasons
2. Among these reasons is that they are used improperly
3. If players are used properly they produce to their natural ability
4. Many of the wolves players have been used improperly
5. Many of the wolves player thus have higher natural ability than their production suggests

As far as I can tell, this is fine logic. The argument, then, is about magnitudes. How much higher is Wes Johnson’s natural ability than his prior production? We have no estimates of this magnitude. I think it’s small.

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by littleboxes on Jan 4, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you've misunderstood the premise.

Players get better but they have to have an NBA level skill to start with which Johnson doesn’t appear to have (maybe passing is there and defense has been occasionally). They will take their legitimate skills and improve them. Rambis’ theory was to work mainly on the skills you don’t have rather than building an offense around the skills you do have.

Love for instance came in as an efficient scorer and a great rebounder, he has become a very efficient scorer and a legendary rebounder while moving defense from mediocre to acceptable/good depending on what type of player he’s guarding. He even showed off some help defense yesterday.

Johnson has entered as a bad dribbling, bad shooting, bad rebounding, sometime good defender (LAL, GSW games last year). At best that is going to be an ok shooting, defensive specialist … i.e. not what you expect from your number 4 pick.

For comparison Derrick Williams seems to have entered as a big with a great stroke, cuts to the basket well, finishes inside well, dribbles decently (has a propensity for charging), Rebounds acceptably and plays ok defense. It’s night and day better than Johnson for a starting point, while being younger and having shown more in college.Taking his skills up a level he becomes a great stretch big with handles and the ability to be nasty inside. It almost gives me hope that he could play the three but I’m not sure his lateral agility is good enough to stay with the LBJ, Carmelos, Paul Pierces or even Beasly of the NBA.

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Stop lying. It's insulting.
But I also know that "players never change" is repeated here more often than is reasonable, especially in regards to very young players – the type you see change and evolve in any profession.

The same people you’re blatantly misquoting go well out of their way to emphasize that usually, the younger a player is on entering the league, the better.

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by feral on Jan 3, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry you took so much insult..

How was I to know your individual nuance?

And stop telling me I’m lying, it’s insulting…

And for that matter, I’m pretty sure you were reading a different blog if that is the impression you came away with. But you’re entitled to that view, and all is well.

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Beg pardon, sorry. Let me say it in a less pointed way.

But you imply that people, like SnP, are saying “players never change.” That’s not true.

Then you say that it’s especially true of “very young players.” In the case of Wes Johnson, for the obvious example, the board has done his advanced age as of the draft to death. It’s constantly been used as among the convincing reasons for which he wasn’t a particularly good draft pick next to younger prospects. The other day when LeBron’s birthday was so over-celebrated, was it PoorDick who cracked that Wes had celebrated three or four birthdays himself this past year? It’s a running joke, for the sake of goodness.

You’ve taken the arguments of people who say, roughly:

The chance of a player improving is dramatically better if they come into the league younger.

and you’re saying those people don’t believe young players can change. (Knocks microphone.) Do you see how backward that is?

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by feral on Jan 3, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we are talking about different things.

The basis of what I was saying was that (I thought) players being used counter intuitively to their skillset would artificially drop their value from a statistical basis…
This was in response to the litany of “X player sucks, always has sucked, and always will suck” coming from a number of different people. The general conversation would go as follows:
Person A: “Player X is terrible. Always will be and has a history of it.”
Person B: “Player X is still young and has a chance.”
Person A: “Billups/Battier are the only ones who have ever done that so it could happen but … won’t.”

My contention was that, essentially, the players don’t need to ‘become a different player’ but rather to be used in alignment with their abilities (or lack thereof).

I don’t know what’s backwards with that, but we can see over the season how the team reacts to Adleman. I believe we will see significant jumps in performance from most of our team simply from having roles that fit their skillset. The best example going now is Darko – he’s playing at nearly double his career high in wp/48. And I haven’t seen him do anything outside of himself, simply him doing things that he is good at and Adleman has put him in position to do.

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Ramon Sessions

is a good one, too.

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by Andy G on Jan 3, 2012 6:18 PM CST up reply actions  

You simply are misrepresenting what people say here.
But I also know that "players never change" is repeated here more often than is reasonable, especially in regards to very young players – the type you see change and evolve in any profession.

There’s no subset of Canis posters saying “players never change.”

The people you’re supposedly scoffing at here are in fact among the most vociferous advocates of drafting (and otherwise taking risks on) “very young players.”

Both of those assertions by you are so badly upside-down, I can only take stuff like what you said above as deliberately provoking.

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by feral on Jan 4, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

It doesn't seem intentionally provoking to me

Presenting the opposing argument in a reductive way happens a lot. It’s not always done to provoke, it just makes it easier to argue against an overly simplified (and thereby indefensible) point. It’s ignorant to the point of frustration, but I don’t think it’s about intentional provocation.

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by nja700 on Jan 4, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

?

Nobody is saying that people can’t get better. What is being said about guys like Wes or Beasley or Darko is that hamsters cannot turn into turtles, only better hamsters (and that’s if we’re lucky).

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

BUT!

turtles CAN turn into ninjas (with the help of mutogenic radioactive ooze).

sorry.

by davechisholm on Jan 3, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

No I fully understand your concept.

I just don’t agree.

People aren’t turtles. People are …. people. It does help for comedy to insert something absurd, but it’s just a failed analogy.

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

No it's not

Wanting certain types of players to become other types of players doesn’t happen all that often.

Yes, the Wolves had terrible coaching over the last 2 years. We still have non-Rambis track records for guys like Ridnour, Darko, Beasley and Tolliver. We also have nearly 90 games of watching Wes Johnson to know that he hasn’t shown the ability to do much of anything. We all know that these guys were used like crap (the Darko offense stuff is really amazing) but it’s not like we can’t sort through their actual production to look for cases and instances of the type of play we think they’d be better suited to.

Yes, roles and coaching matter, but it’s not like these sorts of things weren’t used at all by the team during the last 2 years. We all have an inkling that Beasley needs to stop the long 2 and attack the basket even though long 2s are what he’s “best” at. Can he completely alter who he is? Will that be effective? I’m sure there is a fairly decent sample size of plays we can look at to make a good guess.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not what I said.

If I wasn’t clear enough, as I do tend to ramble, I only intended that players be used for what they are good at.

That would mean to do what they are good at rather than what they aren’t good at. That has nothing to do with becoming a different player.

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear ya. Just disagree. Think of what Wes would be good at

I’m sure you can find instances where he was allowed to do that during last season and at Syracuse.

His problem is that he’s not good at much and his round hole (to his square peg) is the NBA. (That’s a bit harsh, admittedly.)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Wes...

…yeah I had high hopes for him coming into the season. We’ll see, he’s had some bad misses, but I think we haven’t seen the last insane rubioop to him. I watched as much syracuse youtube on him as I could, and I think he is capable of doing nba level things…

Someone on here said it best yesterday: “every time wes does something good he looks around for affirmation, this is not a good place for an nba player”. I have a feeling he was beaten down so badly mentally by Rambus that he lost all confidence in his abilities.

I don’t know one way or another about wes, but when I load up those orangemen highlights he sure does appear to be capable of doing a number of NBA level things.

Now I feel silly for rambling about wes because my complaint was more systemic than just focused on him.

If players are used for what they are good at their numbers will improve.

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't disagree

It goes the other way too, as we often saw with Rambis (Sessions!). Coaching matters—I don’t disagree.

My disagreement comes with the particular players on this roster; namely Darko, Wes, and Beas (and probably Randolph due to what appears to be going on in his head).

Let’s agree that Rambis was absolute crap and root/hope that Wes can be some sort of magical transformational creature who just needs a pat on the head to get really good so the team doesn’t have to trade Williams for a functional wing player.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Here here!

I’m hoping for magic too! And if Adleman can’t do it, nobody can.

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I missed what you said above too about having pre-and post rambus numbers for our players...

Someone on here wrote up an article about that. Might have been vj, can’t remember.

Sessions? better before and after
Bassy? better before
Luke? better before

Etc. So it is a known effect, or at least has some semblance of a systemic issue. (oh, you just posted that too. jinx)

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Bassy is also better after

small sample size, but man has the guy produced so far this year.

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

...

Sessions’ year by year WP48
Bucks 06-07: 0.239
Bucks 07-08: 0.239
Bucks 08-09: 0.198
Wolvs 09-10: 0.042
Cavs 10-11: 0.189

by vjl110 on Jan 3, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Kurt Rambis was magic and transformational, for sure.

Not letting players go to their strengths: not a good player development model.

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by feral on Jan 3, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you do mis represent what people think Wes/Darko can be

I will give you Beasley, I’m blinded enough by the talent to think he can become a turtle.

But I think people would have to be foolish to thin Wes or Darko can become like a “stud”

I however don’t think it’s unreasonable for Wes to get him self to be: active, good passing, good rebounding, good defensively, and hit open shots. That would be a playable player, and he has done those things on occasion

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think I misrepresent that

I put it above the fold. He needs to do lots of other things off the ball.

I just don’t think he’ll get there. I think that type of play is effectively turtle play for hamster Wes.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

fair enough

I’m not saying he will, either.

Those are all skills he has shown the “ability” to do at an NBA level….to me it’s just about putting it all together and doing it consistently….which, sure might be a stretch, but I think that’s well within his “breed” (keeping the tone of your turtle/hamster argument).

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

He has the ability to touch the top of the square on the backboard

I’ve seen him do it. He has the ability to run through a bunch of cones and dunk the ball faster than anyone I know of that size. I’ve seen him do it from 5 feet away.

His results suggest he doesn’t have the ability to do the things we want him to do on a consistent basis.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Sure, not the things WE want...

But the cone thing is pretty impressive.

by TO12 on Jan 3, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

The Wolves are *trying* to give him those settings where he's comfortable.

The rest of the roster at the wing does amount to a bunch of static cones on the floor.

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by feral on Jan 3, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

It's not about being a "stud"

It’s about providing a talent or ability that is beneficial to the team’s chances to win.

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

So SNP, to be clear on what you're saying....

For Wes to be successful in the NBA he must not just overcome a giant “hurtle”, but also cecome one?

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Way to ruin my own joke

become one

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Not easy to drag up quotes, but here are a few...
By what measure?? KG at his prime was much better than Love at 21, but KG at 21 wasn’t as good as KG at his prime.

Age 21 stats for each (after KG’s 3rd year and Love’s 2nd year)

I’ve shown stats where Love is better at the top and where KG is better below. Love has more of the important categories in my view.

Stats where Love is better:
———————————————————

PER – Love 22.5, KG 20.4,

Total – Reb% Love 21.5%, KG 13.9%

TS% – Love 56.7%, KG 52.7%

Points per 36 – Love 18.5, KG 17.0

3 pt FG% – Love 40.5%, KG 18.8&

FT% – Love 80.2%, KG 73.8%

rebounds per 36 – Love 13.9, KG 8.8

00000000000000000000000000000

Stats where KG is better
———————————————————————

Ast per 36 – KG 3.9, Love 2.8

Stl per 36 – KG 1.6, Love 0.9

Blks per 36 – KG 1.7, Love 0.4

by Kevin Love Jefferson on Mar 4, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions

http://www.canishoopus.com/2010/4/27/1447514/love-compared-to-other-pfs
by Blakeley on Apr 27, 2010 1:50 PM PDT

This argument would be way different if Kevin Love was playing 36 minutes per game. As a matter of fact, lets look at how they compare in their second year on a per 36 minute basis:

Anthony
Pts/36: 21.5
Rebs/36: 5.9
Ast/36: 2.7
Efg: .448
TS%: .526
PER: 16.7

Love:
Pts/36: 17.7
Rebs/36: 13.8
Ast/36: 2.9
Efg: .478
TS%: .549
PER: 20.7

In their second years, Carmelo scored 5 points more per 36, Love did everything else better.

I think long-term Love projects to help his team win more then Carmelo currently does. I can understand if you disagree, I just don’t think the argument is as off base as people make it out to be.

by Blakeley on Apr 23, 2010 6:24 AM PDT

K LOVE IZ THOWED

mayn he so thowed!

name de baby afta me mayn i promise big thangs gon come out uv it i have been compared to a roman god and de real god twice dis week alone i’ll leave it at dat mayn. blow sum kill ta celebrate mayn congrats on de kid!

MAYN HOL UP!

by MAYNHOLUP on Jan 9, 2010 1:14 PM PST

by vjl110 on Jan 3, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I like the Mayn quote.

And if I really try I can find quite a few from myself as well from last year.

So maybe I’m projecting my feelings outwards a bit, but I honestly did not envision kevin to legitimately be a top 5 player in this league. Could have sworn that when it was brought up people generally contended that the rating system was broken. My memory isn’t the best though.

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I couldn't find the quote...

but I know I said 22 and 15 at some point in the 2010 season.

That said, you are right that anyone projecting over 20ppg (which BTW he could easily regress to before the year is out) was pretty far on the right end of the distribution of prognosticators. I think the reason Kahn’s quote was so irritating is that he and Rambis were woefully out of touch with the fan-base and any objective metric in terms of Love’s value. It was more “rebounding” based value than the current Love product, but the fans knew what they had and Kahmbis didn’t.

by vjl110 on Jan 3, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

There was plenty of information available to see that Love was good

He always passed the “eye test” for me as well… so he had both things going as far as I’m concerned.

The scoring and awesome 3 point shooting surprised me a bit last year, and I was wondering how exactly he could improve from there (aside from less obvious things like better defensive positioning and maybe improving his passing game). It didn’t seem like there was an obvious next step in terms of adding new skills.

Well, he came back in ridiculous shape and with entirely unexpected new facets to his game (step back 3’s!?!). The fact that he did that tells me he hasn’t touched his ceiling yet if he stays that hungry. That kind of offseason work is the difference between him having a very good career vs. having a HOF type career and being in the MVP discussion multiple years.

So… I always thought he was going to be very good. But this good? Possible MVP caliber? I have to admit that I’m surprised.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 3, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

The irritating thing about another Kahn quote, though,

was that after Love emerged he used him as an example of how we shouldn’t assume we can predict who’s going to be good. Based on his line of reasoning, we were supposed to remain completely open-minded to the idea of Wes, or Jonny, or whoever else emerging in the same way. Darko, too.

He took the example of someone who’d been pegged by people who knew what they were doing as a potential star, and he used it to toss the lesson out the window.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 3, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

It was paraded out as an example of player development. In house player development done by people that were fired after the season.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

He didn't draft Love

So he wanted to spin it as a surprise, and maintain hope for his terrible draft picks.

Not comforting that he couldn’t learn from his mistakes.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 3, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

We probably aren't that far apart on this...

If I understand your bit about Love having “outpaced all but the most optimistic projections” correctly. I’m just saying that it’s possible to have bitched about Love’s handling back in the day AND to be pleasantly surprised at how good he is playing right now. I will be the first to admit that I thought he would plateau below this level, and I never thought I’d see him lean up as he has. I definitely never thought he’d get KG comparisons at this point in his career. But that’s me being wrong.

Then again, I also think that the folks who predicted 18/15, 20/12, and even 22/15 are even being proven a bit pessimistic at this point. As you say, he’s outpacing (almost?) all of the projections at this point…

by TheH on Jan 3, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

You want me to do the research on that?
I had no idea Love was good for 25 a game, though, and I can’t remember reading anyone who thought he might be.

In the offseason after his rookie year, I asked for comparisons and suggested Karl Malone was somewhat out of reach. Close enough?

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 3, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha!

Forgot about that one, or maybe never caught it. Nice work.

Look, my point is this: I think many here were ahead of the curve on this guy. That said, I have a hard time believing that anyone posted Love would be good for 25/15 a night. Folks thought he’d be 20/10, for sure, but a ho-hum 25/15 guy with a dagger three-point shot? KG comparisons? Significantly increased mobility like we’re enjoying now? I totally, totally recognize that the dude was (and maybe is) tragically undervalued by the organization… But aren’t we all at least a TINY bit pleasantly surprised?

If you watched Love for a year and thought Karl Malone (career 25/10 player) was out of reach, I kind of feel like we’re saying the same thing. He was, is, and will be an amazing player— even better than we thought.

by TheH on Jan 3, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

That's where I was coming from too.

Good? Yeah, I had a good feeling. Very good? Yeah, thought that it was possible for the lower minutes production to translate but I didn’t know that he had the conditioning (and it’s possible that he didn’t).

But what he has become now is ridiculous. Spectacular. Dirk with 15 boards a game. I didn’t know that anyone could be this, let alone have us be lucky enough to have this person on our hometown team!

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

And yes..

….he keeps getting better. That part is crazy.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I just think you hang too much on that comment

I’ve heard numerous coaches/gm’s say about players “we knew he could be great, but we didn’t know he’d be this great”.
The Olympic coaches certainly didn’t demonstrate that faith in him (and I thought they should have).
Aaron Rogers comes to mind. I think it’s fair to say he surpassed expectations this year?
And I’m as dumb as Kahn because I thought Love would be great but I didn’t think he could be this great. It really is remarkable, but he has such a strong will I don’t doubt he could be an MVP.
You can make a fine argument against Kahn, I just think continually bringing up that statement is a little misleading and maybe a little nit picky.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

The Olympic team makes an interesting wrinkle.

Love was getting bit minutes, but his usage on that team was sky-high. Was he coached to be forcing the action in that role?

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by feral on Jan 3, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

And I hold Rambis way more accountable than Kahn

He played in the league and didn’t know (or wouldn’t admit) what he had.
Frankly Rambis was either insane or insanely jealous.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I actually do to

Even though Flynn and Wes were probably not the right players to have selected…it’s not like they were bad prospects…they both would have gone in the top 10.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I just mean in regards to Love

He seemed very reluctant for Kevin to succeed/excell.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with that

I think he thought Love was just another version of himself and was shocked to learn otherwise. Love was also McHale’s guy. Let’s not forget that, either. That rubbed both Rambis and Kahn the wrong way.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

You're giving him too much credit

After all of the verbal gaffes do you really think he put any time into thinking about that comment? I don’t.
And I think Kahn has earned an A+ this year from the draft to the unloading of players/coaches, to the Nelson family package (Ricky and his dad), to Barrea, etc. etc. and to most importantly keeping his mouth shut.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry

Is was supposed to post under “mission statement”.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

It's a meta mission statement

Of course he didn’t put any time thinking into that comment. It has all been by the seat of his pants. Now that the ship has been put out to sea and is floating, he needs to be put on the next life raft back to shore so he can’t sink it. Thanks for the 5th pick, thanks for not getting in the way of Team Adelman, here’s a parting gift/watch, thanks for playing.

Whatever he’s done, it has been on a razor’s edge to disaster. We could very easily be watching a Flynn/Thabeet Don Nelson led disaster. That type of potential is still in the building. No more tight rope/razor walking.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Ahhh

And therein lies the secret of his genius.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I get that this is entertainment...

…and I’m really not bugged about this in any sort of “real” sense, but incompetence is incompetence and luck is luck. He’s plinko-chipped his way to having a team with promise. It is amazing that we’re here at this point despite some pretty crazy things having happened. That being said, I’ve baited myself into talking about He Who Shall Not Be Named. I apologize.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

speaking of plinko

did anybody see snoop dogg on “the price is right” yesterday?! it was amazing.

celebrity week on that show consists of celebrities telling people what they would guess on the price of a bag of bird feed.

by davechisholm on Jan 3, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought it was awesome

And I was left there thinking, when was the last time Snoop Dogg bought a single roll of paper-towels? Even more so, does he even have any idea what $2 is?

And finally, I loved how almost everyone won under his guideance. He must have really studied up before the game.

by TO12 on Jan 3, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

It felt like one of those things

Where if you are gonna do it, just go all out. No need to bring in Snoop Dogg and have him hand out marginal advice and watch people lose… have him come on, hand out cars and motorcycles like candy, and make it one big party.

by TO12 on Jan 3, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

he probably went undercover working the cash register at PAMIDA or something

by davechisholm on Jan 3, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Chris Wallace

There’s another guy who’s made some terrible, awful moves with no coherent plan and ended up with a pretty young, talented team.

OJ Mayo+ for Love

Hasheem Thabeet #2 in a very good draft

Give him credit for going after Z-Bo though.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 3, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

That last one

is going to be interesting to see if Glen allows it at all, and if Kahn gets to be in charge of the campaign.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I hope Glen allows it

and Kahn isn’t allowed anywhere near it.

And my first post should have read Love+ for OJ Mayo.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 3, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Wallace liked Love better

His boss made him pull the trigger on it. Heisley did a David Kahn (watched Mayo shoot jump shots in a gym once and dictated his GM’s direction based on the workout) as well as did some penny pinching – they saved some dough on the trade.

by rickyp on Jan 3, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

How did they save money

when we were dumping bad contracts on them? we were the ones that saved money and got a better player.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 3, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

nope

well, yep, it was train robbery, but from a pure $ perspective, Memphis saved about $4 million on the deal according to Fred.

by rickyp on Jan 3, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I missed that. Is there a gag order on DK sightings?

I feel the same way about Rambis. Every day I see Adelman coach I get madder and madder at Rambis. What a total waste of time.
For Love to excel with that tool in charge really shows his incredible resolve.

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by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

That's a good analogy

You to Rambis is me to Kahn. When you get multiple emails saying things to the effect of “You have at least 20 commenters on your site who know more about basketball than this guy” within 2 months of him arriving and then watch what happened, ugh. And yes, I promise no more references. He’s great. I have to be done on the point I’ve made too many times.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Love was lucky..

..his skillset will work in almost any system.

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

In an example of blind luck akin to HWSNBN'd,

Chris Wallace actually put a team together that made the playoffs last year.

"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson

by SoDakHmr on Jan 3, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Dammit!

Should read through before posting – sorry folks!

"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson

by SoDakHmr on Jan 3, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

You're giving him too much credit

After all of the verbal gaffes do you really think he put any time into thinking about that comment? I don’t.
And I think Kahn has earned an A+ this year from the draft to the unloading of players/coaches, to the Nelson family package (Ricky and his dad), to Barrea, etc. etc. and to most importantly keeping his mouth shut.

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by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

And tanking.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Within Kahn's larger body of work...

…I think that comment amounts to something approaching a mission statement.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I just think you hang too much on that comment

I’ve heard numerous coaches/gm’s say about players “we knew he could be great, but we didn’t know he’d be this great”.
The Olympic coaches certainly didn’t demonstrate that faith in him (and I thought they should have).
Aaron Rogers comes to mind. I think it’s fair to say he surpassed expectations this year?
And I’m as dumb as Kahn because I thought Love would be great but I didn’t think he could be this great. It really is remarkable, but he has such a strong will I don’t doubt he could be an MVP.
You can make a fine argument against Kahn, I just think continually bringing up that statement is a little misleading and maybe a little nit picky.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

The Post is just trolling there.

“The call I didn’t want to get”? Calling shenanigans there.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 3, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I couldn't read past the first page.

Vescey’s prose is so self-consciously purple, and his tone is so smug, I can’t take it. I never minded him on TV, but on the page he makes me crazy.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

The Post's M.O. is to look for an eye in which to poke a stick.

Pre tabloid silliness. Consult their other coverage. Their Post’s Top Ten sidebar has this story as #2:

Mitt Romney bashes Kim Kardashian

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 3, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Link,

please?

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Heh. I was avoiding it, because it means I'd have to go to that fricking page, man.

Mitt Romney bashes Kim Kardashian.

Oh criminy, it’s even better. He based Obama, too, but they led with Kardashian.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 3, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Interestingly (to me, perhaps)

it was more of a financing bubble that drove housing prices. Given the fundamentals of financing and the race to the bottom to provide mortgages, the housing prices were reasonable.

The wise economists were clamoring about the fraud rampant in the financing segment, realizing its impact on the housing market in general and the entire economy as a whole.

How does this relate to Love? Know not, but please get him signed to a deal already…

by daaje on Jan 3, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Fraud

see what I said about the NINJA loans. it is impossible for those to be anything but fraudulent, still banks where falling all over themselves to give them out. largely because they knew they could pass those loans off to investors who had now way of knowing they were bad (stupid investors) but they were helped by rating agencies that were getting kick backs from the banks so, where back to fraud. Ultimately it all started with deregulation.

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by the Real Thor on Jan 3, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's hear some Love love: last night's post-game edition on Pounding the Rock.

From their game recap:

He hits the three, defends, and rebounds. He is a match-up nightmare. Tim and Tiago are too slow, Blair is too small, Bonner is too slow and too small. I keep thinking that Kawhi may be a good option, but Pop wouldn’t roll those dice. Kevin Love is a beast, and he’s our enemy.

But, ulp, I forgot to add the first line, which I think goes to the real reason he’s being underestimated:

He’s like Matt Bonner, except good.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 3, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I got to give the Spurs credit again though: Kawhi looks like a great pick up

There announcers on the other hand were the worst. You know your in for a long night when an announcer refers to the team they are broadcasting as “we.”

by Tollysnipes on Jan 3, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I wasn't listening, but assumed it was Sean Elliott.

He’s…. Not doing Alan Horton’s research, but he knows all the first names of players on his team.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 3, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Elliot wasn't on the call last night.

It was Danny Ferry and some other abysmally boring gentleman.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 3, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

It was Ferry

And apparently he’s the GM or some such FO guy, so I guess his constant use of “we” when referring to the Spurs at least fits a bit.

by saudagg on Jan 3, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Sean Elliot is a little embarrassing, I’ll admit it. Too much of a homer.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
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by Edg5 on Jan 3, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed on Love as the MVP

He will be in the ‘top 10’ discussion from here on out, and will have a real shot at winning if we ever win 55+ in a season.

I bet Hollinger will lobby for him every year from now on.

by TO12 on Jan 2, 2012 11:22 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions   2 recs

And put it this way

There have been some big question marks about his game since he entered the league, and every year here answers them.

I’m just sayin, I’m not betting against KLove anymore.

by TO12 on Jan 2, 2012 11:25 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed with this.

He has really grown this year. He was actually playing some defense tonight (blocks? WHAT???) and actually has a 1 on 1 game now. Its stupid fun to watch him. I think the fact that his game under the hoop is kind of old school is also pretty fun.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 2, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions  

IMO he's top 10

1. LeBron
2. D12
3. Wade
4. CP3
5. Durant
6. Dirk
7. Pau
8. Rose
9. Love
10. Bynum (when not injured) otherwise Nene.

I expect that he’ll be #6 by the end of the season. Pau and Dirk are aging and I think Rose + Durant are slightly overhyped (though still great players). Bryant has finally fallen to top 15 status and Griffen should soon move up as his defense and jump shot develop.

Cases can be made for Griffen/LMA/Pierce/Horford /KG/Manu from 10-20 and I’m not quite sure where to rank them all. NY has got to be the most interesting collection of highly touted scorers whose games I’m not a huge fan of (I like Stoudemire considerably more than Melo however).

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 7:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Wait

No Kobe?

They say it's always darkest just before dawn and man, was it dark last year. Come to think of it, I'm not needing my sunglasses this year, either.

by SBG on Jan 3, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I watched his 6-28 effort with a smile

It’s weird to watch. He doesn’t have the legs to do what he used to do and he can’t wrap his head around doing anything else.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Luckily, he has so little class

that he’ll hang around long after he’s lost it, bitching about not getting his touches.

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by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 9:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't remember who tweeted it...

….but after Kobe shot 6-28 in a loss, Andrew Bynum apologized for the loss. He is battered.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

He used to be up there

I think age has caught up to him. He’s still an excellent player but I think he’s top 15 territory rather than top 10 now. Garnet is in a similar place but probably in the 15-20 range rather than 10-15.

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Players better than Love:

Lebron, Wade, CP3, Durant, ….. Howard?
This is all.

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

No kidding...

I may rate Love higher than anyone else on this blog and I don’t pause to put Howard above him.

Durant on the other hand….

by vjl110 on Jan 3, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I was about to make a really lame joke

pointing out the ambiguity of the first part of your comment. I didn’t, because that would have violated section 1 of my New Years resolution.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Send those to me

and I’ll make them.

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by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

That's about right

I could drop Dirk down though. He is a bit over hyped after last season. Good point on Durant and Rose too. Great players, but I think their status is a slight step ahead of their game right now.

by TO12 on Jan 3, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of Rose

I’m totally stoked to watch him with a health Boozer and Hamilton. He’s always put up decent assist numbers but being able to rely offensively on his teammates more is going to be good for him. I never understood why Brewer didn’t get more burn last year.

RE: Dirk, it’s quite possible that he’s overhyped but I felt like once he started playing with Chandler he picked up his defense and became a complete player. We’ll see if he can maintain that this year with Chandler in New York.

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

The other thing about Dirk

and why I’d place him ahead of Durant, is that, the past couple years, I’ve seen him destroy every type of defense keyed to stop him in high pressure situations, while I’ve seen Durant consistently be held in check, and denied the ball, down the stretch if you play him physically, and the game’s not being called tightly (kind of like Dirk earlier in his career).

by mr. eggplant on Jan 3, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

An interesting point

However one of the big differences in my mind between OKC and Dallas is that while Terry, Marion and co. are good players, the option of Harden/Westbrook is just on another level so if a team chooses to deny Durant, OKC can just roll with it and go to option B.

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

well, the other side of that

is that it places more pressure on Dirk, and he delivers anyway. it’s an interesting debate, one I suspect will be over in another year or so.

by mr. eggplant on Jan 3, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

That seems about right.

For him to rise any higher, I think he’d have to prove he could play average to above average defense over a period of several months. (Also, I think you’re overrating Bynum and Nene, but that’s neither here nor there.)

by mr. eggplant on Jan 3, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

around the 10th spot I have trouble differentiating the next tier of players

That said while I dislike the guy personally I think Bynum and Nene are both great C who provides toughness, rim protection, and the offense a guy like Chandler doesn’t with Bynum being a cut above Nene.

Who would you name #10 if not Bynum?

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

either zach randolph or aldridge

manu is a top ten player when actually on the court, but his durability (even before his injury) pushes him down. you could also make a good argument for deron williams. That said, Bynum is talented enough that he could be a top ten player.

by mr. eggplant on Jan 3, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I put Deron 10, if not higher.

Pre-Derek Rose there was no question that the top two PGs in the league were Paul and Deron. Nothing has changed about D-will except that his team is freaking terrible.

by Tollysnipes on Jan 3, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

It's pretty awesome to say...

that a guy has “grown” after a 20-15 season. It kind of blows your mind. Let’s let this season play out and make our proclamations later. Although to see KLove in this kind of shape playing out of his mind is sweet.

by Are we cursed? on Jan 3, 2012 1:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Great point on Hollinger.

If the Wolves snag an 8th seed this year, there are going to be Love-For-MVP calls.

by LoveTo on Jan 3, 2012 5:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I love the Wes, Rubio, true maestro bit.

Let me try again, Rubio is our basketball Gaudi.

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 2, 2012 11:14 PM CST reply actions  

He really can be as spectacular, yet contextual, as Gaudi's barcelona masterpiece

he can make you see the familiar in new ways, if you will.

The rubio-wes-rubio-wes 3 pointer really was great on several levels. I got a bit of the feeling I used to have, playing for a soccer team that “overachieved” — mostly due to each player’s tendency to understand, and compensate-for, his teammates’ weaknesses

by zero_on_up on Jan 2, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Rubioooo...sing into my mouth!!!

Possibly should have kept that thought private.

by Django Z on Jan 3, 2012 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Not that there's anything wrong with that . . .

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Rubiasm?

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 3, 2012 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank you zero_on_up,

You said in a beautiful way, what I could not formulate. I was worried no one was making the connection between Catalan, it’s native son architect, and our amazing point guard. Now because I’m not good with links and such I can urge anyone who isn’t familiar with Gaudi and his amazing work, but is curious, to check it out.

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 3, 2012 2:01 AM CST up reply actions  

My favourite is the "melted" apartment block (La Casa Mila)

When I lived in Barca for a while, I used to walk past that on my walk to work. I would go five minutes early just to look at that.

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by Malastare on Jan 3, 2012 4:40 AM CST up reply actions  

That's the ad

Some mad man has gotta have Ricky dribbling and passing through a Gaudi-like dreamscape, then boom, Nike or wtf ever logo comes up. Wouldn’t really matter, it would just be a sweetass evocative ad.

by monkeywolf on Jan 3, 2012 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

More Positivity

1. This is a team that should get better as the season goes along. The more time they spend playing together. They’re wing play wasn’t going to be as awful as it had been in the First Four Games. Rubio plus Average Wing play plus K. Love equals Outside Shot at Playoffs.

2. According to Point Differential we’ve been the 5th Best Team in the Western Conference. The five games in 7 days. Could give us a chance to be at least at .500- 10 games into the Season.

3. One more point about Kevin Love is even when he’s having an off-night shooting unlike a Durant-type player- he helps the team quite a bit in other ways beyond even rebounding (Such as Setting Screens and Tips). To think- this blog used to debate K.Love vs OJ Mayo, K.Love vs Al, K.Love vs Greg Oden.

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by Jose Cordoba on Jan 2, 2012 11:20 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

The days of

Love vs. Big Al do seem ridiculous in hindsight. One day (yesterday), the days of national media arguing Love vs. Bosh will also seem insane.

...I've been drinking...

by losDelFuego on Jan 2, 2012 11:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It'll be listed as a symptom in the next DSM, methinks

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 2, 2012 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I have some names

of some possible victims.

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by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

pt #3

YESSSS!!!

He always has the rebounding!!!

People, he’s from another planet. Do you realize what they have with this guy?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 11:32 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

lol.

your out of control. This isn’t like you but I’m digging it.

by bringbackbrewer on Jan 3, 2012 1:04 AM CST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

You're telling me.

He’s frothing at the mouth to acquire a Dookie!

by jianfu on Jan 3, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Another Planet?

Could it be… The planet Lovetron? #oldschool

They say it's always darkest just before dawn and man, was it dark last year. Come to think of it, I'm not needing my sunglasses this year, either.

by SBG on Jan 3, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice

They need to be some sort of Funkadelic/We are Family combo with Planet Lovetron at the center of the universe.

(stealing borrowing for the twitter machine)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Look at the difference already.

Rubio’s played seven games with the team, and you can already see EVERY PLAYER passing better, being more alert, sharing more, being more active.

LeBron was right. The Wolves will get scarier the more time they have to play together. They won’t always shoot lights-out like they did tonight, but the Rubio dust will ensure that the team gets better looks than they would otherwise, and better looks than they’ve gotten maybe ever.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 2, 2012 11:54 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

(A lot of that could be Adelman, too, but still.)

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 2, 2012 11:54 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It is silly crazy how good this team could be...

…with a competent 3 and someone like Redick at the 2. They murder other teams. Just murder them.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Adleman isn't done yet.

Don’t underestimate the power of the galactic suck of Rambus. I don’t think we’ve seen what this team can do, personal intact, yet.

by bustaone on Jan 2, 2012 11:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think so...

Listening to the SA announcers on my free month of NBATV, they kept talking about “these MN players are really long and energetic”…. Hmmm, maybe Khan holding up prop cards? Or, we actually are getting better players assembled.

Still have my Foye jersey. Hey- at least she TRIED! :--)

by LoveLovesLove on Jan 3, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Do not agree and If this team continues to win

You will not be able to continue to say that. If you do we’ll have to tie you to a dingy and have you follow behind the ship.
Don’t even lay that groundwork. You will need to reconcile that the parts surrounding the motor (KL) and drivetrain (RR) are essential as well.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

This is the crazy thing

I’m not laying the groundwork. It is in the boxcore/stat sheet. The 82 Games Wolves page is a freak show right now. Ditto BR. Love currently sports a PER difference that is higher than the league average. Granted, we are looking at a very small sample size, but if this continues for a month or two, we have something truly crazy on our hands.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

whoops

his difference is higher than the league average net.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

If they continue to win

I assume we’d be looking at some different evidence by then.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not going to assume anything with a team built around....

….two weirdly awesome players. Every now and then something just doesnt make sense. I think we are looking at one of those things. Just look at the 82 Games bit. 4 of the starters are getting waxed. Look at the ortg drtg differentials on BR; the stud play is coming from two main sources. Their win agains the Spurs saw 70% shooting for 3/4 of the tilt. They dont have a real 2 or 3. Their best non Love big is a guy who seems to be able to defend 3 spots while hitting 3s. Weird stuff is afoot. It will definitely be interesting to see how this plays out and where the 2 players worth of solid non Love production per game is going to come from.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

In truth

the Mavs win was better. The Spurs win was entirely driven by the shooting, which was not sustainable. Against the Mavs, they won 3 of the 4 factors and did more things well.

Weirdness is going to be a major theme with this team. When their weird players do their weird stuff well, they will have chances to win.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Jan 4, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

What's really crazy....

….is that they won 3 of 4 against the Heat and just got blown out with turnovers. Ditto Milwaukee. Their expected W/L is above .500 right now:

PTS/G: 100.2 (6th of 30) â–Ş Opp PTS/G: 96.6 (19th of 30)
SRS: 6.09 (7th of 30) â–Ş Pace: 96.1 (3rd of 30)
Off Rtg: 104.3 (13th of 30) â–Ş Def Rtg: 100.6 (11th of 30)
Expected W-L: 3-2 (12th of 30)

Kevin Love, a 3 headed point guard rotation led by Rubio, Anthony Tolliver, and….

Tolliver at the 3 might be the best way to make it click in the short run with Williams and Love at the 4/5.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 4, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep

The turnovers remain the bugaboo. Note that both the Ortg and the Drtg are in the upper half of the league (though opponents will start shooting 3s better).

Tonight should be interesting. Memphis played last night, no Z-Bo. Wolves have a chance to consolidate the last couple of games. Rubio has a chance to trash talk someone in Spanish and have him understand.

I expect no real consistency this year, largely based around your question of where the other above average production is going to come from on a nightly basis. But they are positioned to do something over the next week that could be more fun than we’ve had in years.

…Or not.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Jan 4, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I just love watching this team.

…and I think a big reason for the high turnovers but high shooting percentage is that they are constantly trying to get the ball to high risk high reward locations.

by bustaone on Jan 4, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

They've been close to that the last two nights anyway.

Look at all of the open looks our PGs are getting for shooters, and it’s all because the opponent is terrified of the Rubio effect.

Look how many rebounds Love gets even though every opponent knows they need to try to stop him from doing that! We’ve had some good play from other players, but if we can get above-replacement value at the 2, 3, and (less-importantly in my mind) 5, then we need to do it.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 2, 2012 11:59 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Putting things in perspective

PF/C rotation (Love, D-Will, Darko, Tolliver) is fine, no tweaks are needed there. We probably couldn’t afford A.Randolph after this year and he has trade value, so he will go anyway. Tolliver need to be extended (Barea-like contract probably). Pekovic is too expensive for 5th big, play him a little to increase his trade value and ship him out. League and next draft is full of PFs – finding 5th big for cheap will be easy. With Love’s max, Darko+D-Will+Tolliver (together probably 14-14.5M$ next season) we simply couldn’t put more money into bigs (it is already 30+M).

On SF position we have Beasley, Wes and Webster coming back from injury. We will see could Webster play after back surgery and Beasley is wild card. Wes trade value is low currently. If Webster could play, he and Wes could fill minutes on SF, if not we need veteran there in addition to Wes. Or we could continue with this Beasley experiment (I live in hope it will end soon). Wes+Webster together cost 10M$ next year.

On PG with Rubio, Ridnour, Barea – we have enough bodies (together 12.3M next year). Ridnour is little expensive for 3rd PG (and he will be exactly that a the end of season).
SG is the only position that we are really bad – Barea could fill some minutes there (with problems on defense), Elington is just insurance policy, Lee will probably develop into Elington-level quality, Wes and Webster are SFs. All of them could be only fillers behind starting SG that is really missing. If we want to have balanced team we need to spend ~10M per on this position.

We will probably roll with what we have today, try to stay around 50% wins and evaluate more Beasley and Randolph until trade deadline. At this time there will be teams that are tanking – hopefully starting SG veteran will be available for cheap (for example Memphis 1st rounder, A. Randolph and Miller’s practically expiring contract). Or some other combination with Pekovic, Beasley in the mix. And Webster if he couldn’t play (become expiring contract).
It looks to me that we have full PF/C rotation, are full on PG, are 30% full on SG (Barea’s minutes), and in the worst case 50% full on SF (probable outcome here is Beasley traded, Wes develop enough to earn his salary and either Webster or some veteran for 5-6M per sharing minutes with him).

by andromeda on Jan 3, 2012 2:25 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Good post

I hate, absolutely hate games like this by Beasley. He does enough things right that I think he’s figuring it out, then he plays terribly the next 3 games before having another good one. I’m crossing my fingers that this is the Adelman effect but I’ve been burned before.

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 7:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Attainable Spice games

(Am I using this right?)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Mostly!

The context is not typical, but I think it works.

by Madison Dan on Jan 3, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm a big Beasley guy and I'm cautious

But I’ve got hope.

I also think both Beasley and Wes benefited from Adleman leaving them in with Rubio this game (which is something that hasn’t always happened)

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by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Good post, however I'm tired of the under valuing of Ridnour.

Guy just put up 19 points and 9 assists. He was the fourth best 3 pt shooter in the league last year.

Granted he is not the perfect point, but he is probably the best back-up point in the league.

(sorry, the Ridnour thing is directed at everyone more than just you Andro as you did not say anything that off about him)

by Tollysnipes on Jan 3, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

He was a very productive, undersold part of Milwaukee's turnaround in Jennings's rookie year.

The guy is a solid backup, though. Not the PG who establishes your offense.

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by feral on Jan 3, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

.....but

he could start on a team with other high level players. We saw last night how he did just fine with Beasley, Love, and Wes making shots and making plays. I don’t think you can ever have enough competent shooters. The guy is a top 5-10 shooter from 20 feet out.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 3, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure you've written about this before

but is it time for another “next move” post? Something that proposes a realistic trade scenario (whether or not it’s likely to happen) whereby we acquire a 3 and/or a 5 that can help us to achieve completedom?

by mg7505 on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

i'm working on a follow up to the love post

i don’t think they need to trade d-will; rather, he is just the best asset for the firesale that will likely happen in a month or so. phoenix, orlando, gsw…there are some teams that should offer up a good player. i’d love for the wolves to make this happen without giving up williams, but we’ll have to wait and see.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

He is fitting right in

I presume your analysis will attempt to come to grips with his improved rebounding?

by zero_on_up on Jan 3, 2012 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know if I would support a deal

that has a losing Williams. He is just a complete monster. I know that we kind of have a ton of forwards on this team but I do not want to lose his energetic and effective play.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 3, 2012 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Really likedwhat I saw from Beas tonight...

played with heart, and on D. Still the trade-able asset IMO though. For the 2, that is.

Still have my Foye jersey. Hey- at least she TRIED! :--)

by LoveLovesLove on Jan 3, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Yup

For some reason, even though he played great, I wouldn’t mind him being the piece to go. The question is if he can keep his value up by consistently giving performances like this.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 3, 2012 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

agreed

I love rooting for Beasley, but if he can bring more competent help at the 2,3, or 5, yeah, let him go.

by aarendsvark on Jan 3, 2012 2:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Ideally we unload some combo of Beas, Wes, Pek, Ridnour, Miller, even Ridnour

All expendable assets if we can get a 2. A real 3 and/or 5 would also be great.

Note that I did not include Darko in that list – amazingly, he’s got the basic competence to at least be a backup … unless someone Gortat-level is available.

by mg7505 on Jan 3, 2012 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

if you can move Ridnour twice

I’d vote for you for GM of the year. :)

Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.

by nodnarb on Jan 3, 2012 12:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.

by nodnarb on Jan 3, 2012 1:20 AM CST up reply actions  

+ many for the LOTR reference

The first Ridnour should have read Randolph. I confused them because, you know, they’re so similar.

by mg7505 on Jan 3, 2012 2:59 AM CST up reply actions  

something that would involve too many moving parts to actually work

but might make sense for all involved (may have to tweak a few things to get the salaries to work)

Magic get: Andrew Bynum, Luis Scola, Derrick Williams
Lakers get: Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu, Michael Beasley, Goran Dragic
Rockets get: Pau Gasol
Wolves get: Kevin Martin, pick from Houston

by mr. eggplant on Jan 3, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting trade

would the rockets really give up Martin + Scola + pick for an aging (though great) big man? I would drop the pick from that equation as Martin is a good return on Williams.

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

It's the package they were willing to give up

in the nixed CP3 to the Lakers deal. It may have been a second round pick in that deal, I don’t remember.

by mr. eggplant on Jan 3, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Why would the Wolves do this?

Kevin Martin does not have that kind of value, especially at his salary.

by Ray Williams? on Jan 3, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Because the Wolves

1) Need to convince Love to stay
2) Have other decent big men
3) Have nobody on the wing

An Adelman coached team with Love, Martin, and Rubio has the potential to be the best offense in the league.

by mr. eggplant on Jan 3, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

This would result in essentially destroying the team’s depth while still having the added bonus of keeping Wes Johnson in an important role. If you are actually concerned that Love will leave, giving away the guy with the best chance to replace his production seems like a poor idea as well.

Regardless, you could make the same arguments for trading Williams and Beasley for Rashad McCants. Martin simply isn’t worth that package.

by Ray Williams? on Jan 3, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

One trade isn't going to fix all of the Wolves problems, agreed

I guess it depends on what you think Derrick Williams’ potential is. If you think he’s a star, you probably don’t do the deal. I see him as an 18-8 guy with average defense. That’s valuable, but not untouchable, especially when you have a 25-15 guy who plays the same position.

In addition, for whatever reason, there are a lot more good power forwards in the league now than shooting guards. How many shooting guards are better than Martin right now? Wade, Kobe, Manu, Iggy, maybe Gordon or Harden…there aren’t a lot (and Martin is better than Ray Allen by now). Because of this, you’ll have to overpay for a good shooting guard right now.

Martin is a bad defender, but he’s an elite offensive player. Last year, in a Rick Adelman offense, he averaged 26 points/36 minutes with a TS% of .601. Compared to the rest of the NBA, that’s 9th in usage, and 10th in true shooting.

Although it’s not like this deal is going to happen anyway :P

by mr. eggplant on Jan 3, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Well said

Even if you think he’s a star 20/12 guy, when you have 25/15 at that position and can get a very very good SG (your weakest position) + a draft pick it’s probably a good idea. Look at what we got for Al and he was an established 20/10 guy.

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I smell

A pro-KLove post from SnP very soon….

www.unleashkevinlove.com

by erikanthony on Jan 3, 2012 3:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought that Ridnour was the better PG last night

which seems ridiculous after last season, passing is contagious.

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

However, the unjustified Ridnour bashing will continue.

by Tollysnipes on Jan 3, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

if you mean Al Horford

I still think he’s a great player, just a notch below KLove level (top 20 rather than top 10 talent)

=)

(yes I understood which Al you meant)

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 7:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I was at the game tonight

Love is a boss, Rubio is our savior, everyone played well. I lost my shit when Rubio ooped it to D-Will.

by Simonds on Jan 2, 2012 11:24 PM CST reply actions  

#2 on ESPN's

Top Ten Plays of the Day.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's a prediction:

Rubio becomes the most popular player in the NBA.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

He's the polar opposite of people's impression of LBJ

That can’t hurt at the moment. Bron is so disliked, I almost like him

by zero_on_up on Jan 2, 2012 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

How can you hate the large, formerly-pudgy,

rebounding white kid who’s the nephew of a Beach Boy and has no attitude or arrogance to speak of?

The Lebron comparisons are ridiculous for this reason alone – Love would NEVER make a “Decision” like that. It’s not even a debate.

by mg7505 on Jan 3, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Love does have a tad of arrogance in him

But don’t we all.

Joe Mauer grounded out to second
Bill Smith - Buy high, Hold high, Sell for a bag of chips

by GWST11 on Jan 3, 2012 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm too awesome to have arrogance!

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:07 AM CST up reply actions  

When you play basketball like that,

you’re allowed to have that much arrogance – heck, he could have 1000 times as much and still not be in the same league as Lebron (who, by the way, is taking mental notes on all this).

by mg7505 on Jan 3, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

LeBron doesn't actually seem that arrogant

Just misguided and, well, kind of stupid. I’m pretty sure its the people that surround him that have made him shaped his image now.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 3, 2012 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I strongly dislike Lebron...

but I can understand where a sense of entitlement would develop from being called King James since the age of 14.

by LosAngelesTWolf on Jan 3, 2012 1:16 AM CST up reply actions  

It's a chip on his shoulder, I think.

I’m sure he’s been hated on for being slow, undersized and white at every level, and he just produces no matter what. Combine that with the fact that he clearly reads/watches a lot of sports media, and he has to be very conscious of all the doubt he’s gotten.

by LoveTo on Jan 3, 2012 5:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Love strikes me as an arrogant D-bag, who is smart enough to hide it.

However, that quality is good in a star athlete, because it means they do not wilt under pressure.

See Jordan, Kobe, etc.

by Tollysnipes on Jan 3, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Love seems like kind of a douche (pardon my french) from past interviews

I’m guessing his press team has told him to cool it over the last year or so, because he’s been handling himself much better publicly.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 3, 2012 12:07 AM CST up reply actions  

It amuses me

when I take a shower and I look at the body wash bottle that says “gel douche.” And then I giggle like a seven-year-old because the French have such a goofy language.%

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Wasn't aware douche meant anything in French

I mean, I totally knew douche meant something in French

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 3, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

In French it's a noun

meaning “shower.” The Wikipedia tells me so.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Ba-dum! Crash!

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:27 AM CST up reply actions  

"wass ees thees?"

“chow-her?..for why do you make eet raieen een the bidet? Eef ah weesh to ahmpress ze ladeez, ah weel sihmply take one beet uhv deez fhragrant oil, ahnd eet wheel chover uhp mah most mellifluous, eh, ohdeurs..”

by zero_on_up on Jan 3, 2012 12:42 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Why does that remind me

of these guys?

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

i didn't click the link yet

And I already know it is the french guys in. the castle from monte python:-) hampsters and elderberries = 2012 Timberwolves opponents

by zero_on_up on Jan 3, 2012 12:53 AM CST up reply actions  

There goes

the element of surprise . . .

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL- FAR too true.

Still have my Foye jersey. Hey- at least she TRIED! :--)

by LoveLovesLove on Jan 3, 2012 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Me too.

I was at the game last night as well, and I think I lost my shit when Rubio got that block on Green’s breakaway. F’ing badass.

by Hold_Steady on Jan 3, 2012 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Wait, what?

You went home with brown underwear? :P

by abcnerdd on Jan 3, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Was at the game tonight as well

Great fun to watch, until the fourth quarter. About that time, it turned into an inhouse basketball game.

Great game for Beasley. My favorite moment of the night was that block by Rubio at the end of the third. On that topic, it was good to see the team win in a game where Rubio wasn’t playing all that well.

Finally, its a really weird feeling to see the other team completely choke at the end of the game. The Spurs were given a ton of chances to come back in the fourth, but just threw up brick after brick after brick. Its good to be on the other side of things for once.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 2, 2012 11:30 PM CST reply actions  

For once the rim wasn't kind to our opponents

Was a tad ugly in the 4th. We’ll get better though. I thought Rubio looked a little tired (still played great). He’s not used to back to backs and all these minutes.

by Rodman99 on Jan 2, 2012 11:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

So true. I wondered why he's often bent over gasping

I thought it was because he’s physically AND mentally running this team (which is still true), but the NBA schedule this year is just brutal.

by mg7505 on Jan 3, 2012 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

This

Actually, I thought the hole team looked tired in the fourth.

by PoundFoolish on Jan 3, 2012 4:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Adelman really tightened up the rotation in the 2nd half

He milked Love and Beasley. He really wanted the W. I think on a long-ish homestand with a day of rest today he did the right thing.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 3, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I felt like he was just in the lab experimenting. “If I hold off on bringing in Rubio, how does the team react?” “How do these guys handle fatigue on the court?”

by Ray Williams? on Jan 3, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

He didn't need Rubio in the 2nd half

Our starting unit was getting it done big time. It was good to see for a change.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 3, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Luke, especially, had a great game.

He didn’t do anything out of the ordinary with one exception: no long jumpers early in the shot clock prior to any ball movement. It was all within the execution of the offense.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

he definitely played within himself. It helps when the other starters are on their A-games. Then he doesn’t have to try to force things.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 3, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

We could have gifted them back in the game

Lawd knowz, we’ve seen it before.. 4th q., The spurs were fighting thru their arthritis to get back in it. At this early point in the season, the spurs are quite high in the “power rankings”. I thought the wolves held the lead in a controlled, smart fashion (odd turnovers notwithstanding). It was so good to see, I nearly lost my voice.. Gimme more in house 4th quarters!:-)

by zero_on_up on Jan 2, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

..and many of those bricks were forced by us..

Darko played many good defenses this night.. he is who we thought he could perhaps feasibly be?

by zero_on_up on Jan 2, 2012 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he's finally been put into position to have success

No more running the offense through him, he just finishes when he needs to and plays good D. It was also good for him hitting that second hook after his airball, lord knows he would have mentally lost it if he missed that.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 2, 2012 11:50 PM CST up reply actions  

And he & pek

Have plenty of time on the bench to wave up into the stands, at someone I could not identify. Unless it was the 14 year old kid whose voice just changed, yelling his name for the better part of the first half

by zero_on_up on Jan 2, 2012 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I want to see Pek get some minutes

Anyways, one of my siblings has a coworker who is Serbian, and apparently Darko and Pek have a huge group of Serbs/Montenegrins in the cities that they routinely hang out with/throw parties for. Kind of awesome.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 3, 2012 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I think pek is injured?

He should see the court. Nice to know we can still add him and maybe webster to the mix

by zero_on_up on Jan 3, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

He has supposedly been available for the last two games

They’re probably just resting him until he’s fully ready…

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 3, 2012 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately

I think Pek’s only role on this team is to be the designated enforcer/post defender when Darko is in foul trouble. Adelman really likes to go small with this team, and Pek’s best skill post scoring doesn’t really fit in with our pick and roll offense.

by Vlade on Jan 3, 2012 12:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I saw Pek

Last night at a restaurant after the game. His agent was circling the tables asking any and all women if they wanted to join Pek at his table. No joke. He was up to 6 or 7 joiners when I left.

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 3, 2012 10:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

+10

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Did any of the women

vaguely resemble this guy?

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Very

good.

I am on the rebound, you know.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

You could

do worse.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

what's his pick-up line?

hey, babe, they call me Teh Montenegro Rapist, wanna see my skull tattoo?

by tanat-0s on Jan 3, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I really wish some barkeep would start a site with player pickup lines overheard

We missed out on Marko so we’re past the glory days, but this Pek news give me hope we could still be entertained.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

This guy?

No ways.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

He and his wife

are so certainly going to have the most beautiful dimwitted children in the world.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm hoping that his beady little eyes...

….make for a Conan-like “if they mated” kids.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I remain perplexed

How a guy who entered the game looking like he just woke up from spending a night sleeping behind a dumpster snared a world famous fashion model. He always reminded me of a guy I knew who lived alone with his mother til she died when he was 30 and he never learned to dress himself or comb his own hair.

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 3, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

It's happened before . . .

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Except for the way over combed hair,

pictures of Rod Stewart and Penny Lancaster would be gut-busting examples here. Are we all just a few million dollars short of being players?

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 3, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

Follow me on Twitter @timallenonline

by TimAllen on Jan 3, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

How about lyle lovett and julia roberts?

Now that provides hope to all men.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 4, 2012 7:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Looking at that picture, I think, "Turn off the smile, Christie!"

It’s gotten worse with Facebook. The number of women you see with the same dry-toothed, insincere smile in every photo, I mean. (Shudder.)

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 4, 2012 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

My favourite line is

“Does this [rag, napkin, whatever] smell like chloroform to you?”

In one instant you find out if she has any semblance of intelligence and if she has a reasonable sense of humour.

Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.

by nodnarb on Jan 4, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Let us know where that's happening.

I’d love to “accidentally” show up to one of those.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Damn.

Too short and too old. The same reasons I can’t be a ballerina.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:23 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah.

I’m kind of regretting naming it “Dancer’s Hip,” though.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

Did anyone else see Darko’s moving screens in the first half? There was a possesion when he shuffled back in forth in pick form twice, and didn’t get anything called on him. Hilarious.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 2, 2012 11:38 PM CST reply actions  

I noticed that too

It’s nice for the calls/noncalls to go our way for once.

by MrBungle85 on Jan 2, 2012 11:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Good point.

Don’t disregard that the questionable-to-outrageous calls may actually have evened out over the past few games.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Or his assistants?

Or to his players?

Writing “Stops” won’t do it.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Even if you write it in capitals?

And maybe with an exclamation mark?

Live And Stupid From England

by JonesTheCat on Jan 3, 2012 1:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The exclamation point might do it.

Wait. Did Rambemort use exclamation points?

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 2:30 AM CST up reply actions  

It was crazy!

Several times I braced for the whistle. He’s gotta be careful.

by Darth Paxton on Jan 2, 2012 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I noticed the Darko moving screens as well...

He looked like an awkwardly tall 6th grader who had been coerced into trying basketball for the first time. I think Ricky’s in his head.

The artist formally known as Shane Heal, but FORMERLY known as Blakeley

by Shane Heal on Jan 3, 2012 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I do as well

what is wrong with us, haven’t we learned??

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 3, 2012 12:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Haha, you are right

We should really take this one step at a time, and enjoy each win and breakthrough…

HOWEVA, I’m calling playoffs, right now.

by TO12 on Jan 3, 2012 7:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not gonna 'call' it.

But it’s certainly not far-fetched, and I’d call it a “goal” for the season.

Which was pretty much unfathomable a week or two ago. This is insane.

by LoveTo on Jan 3, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Pops

You’re right about Wes, he needs to board, get to the rim a bit, defend…but do you need to rip him when he has a good (could be bettr) game?
Chill. Dr. Adelman (dr frankenstein) is not done!

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 2, 2012 11:50 PM CST reply actions  

Thankfully...

…I’m only a coach of 7 year old girls in a Y league ;)

I dont’ rip anybody. ;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 11:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Isn't it fun?

I have three teams this season…4th, 5th, and 6th.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 2, 2012 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I just have 7 year olds

and I’m taxed. I wish I could have a no-parents league ;)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 2, 2012 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I almost swallowed my tongue

laughing at that one. Kudos.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Gotta watch out

for those nuns tho’ they can be bruttel

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 3, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I reffed soccer for a while and 11 year old girls games were the worst.

Some of the kids couldn’t kick it out of the 18 yard box on goal kicks, yet the parents yelled at you like it was the World Cup.

And I knew a bunch of the parents so if I kicked anyone out of the game I had to here about it for weeks.

by Tollysnipes on Jan 3, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Parents need some sort of positive thing to do.

Classic case where positive reinforcement might be useful. You’re sitting there in your lawn chair – de rigueur equipment for the soccer parent – and having this terrible vicarious experience, wincing every time your kid’s legs fall out from under her (because you’re yelling her name, thinking you’re urging her on)…. We need to give the parents a bell to ring, or games to play. Something to do with their hands.

It’s surprising that opium dens haven’t sprung up.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 3, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

That would give the term "Soccer Mom"

a new and interesting connotation.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Try 2-4 grade basketball.

The kids can’t dribble or avoid fouling. Parents, for some reason, want fouls called, resulting in free throws, which the kids can’t hit, and since there is a running clock, the actual playing time gets cut down to almost nothing. Basically, the parents want their kids watching other kids miss free throws for an hour.

by Ray Williams? on Jan 3, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

This is where I'm at

Nobody can dribble or shoot a shot that can clear a normal rim. They run around like an amoeba and have no concept of positions or spacing. To address this, I had them play without a ball for a scrimmage and one of the parents almost lost it. “How are they going to learn without a ball?!” Ugh.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Run and gun.

Fast breaks create instant spacing, and then put backs on the on inevitable miss of the layup. Plus, parents love it.

Do they learn the fundamentals? Nope. But most won’t play past middle school anyway, so why not have some fun?

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Girls!

NOTHING BUT 3s AND LAYUPS!!! GET ON IT!!! DAMNIT, STACY, SEVEN SECONDS OR LESS!!!

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Initiate contact! Elbows out! Stop that crying!

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

WE NEED WIN SHARES

REBOUND!!!!

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I would have mad respect

if you coached 2-4th graders like this

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I've sent Dave Berri

video of my daughter’s first grade games. I expect to see a write-up fairly soon.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

These comments would be

a vast improvement over what is provided by Soccer Parents at this stage:

KICK IT! KICK IT! KICK IT! KICK IT! KICK IT! KICK IT! GOOD JOB, MCKENNA! KICK IT! KICK IT! KICK IT! Okay that’s the half—who wants a GoGurt?

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Lordy

I know about that one, too. The middle kid is really, really into soccer. Some of the things that get yelled make me hate freedom. Really, really hate freedom.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

My favorite quote was a parent was yelling to his 10 or 11 year-old daughter, “Be an animal! Be an animal!”

by Rodman99 on Jan 3, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

We have one parent..

…who does nothing but yell his daughter’s name every 15 seconds. He does it by emphasizing the 2nd syllable of her name and he drags it out.

ray – CHALLLLLL!!! (pause) ray-CHAALLLLLL!!! (pause) repeat over and over.

I think little Rachel is powered by yells.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

when I kill them the voice stops

but after a few days it comes back, ray — CHALLLLLL! (pause) ray — CHALLLLL! …

Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control

by littleboxes on Jan 4, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Every now and then...

…the shout gets really guttural. Uncomfortably so.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 4, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Also...

…I don’t think it is possible to hold a girls soccer game without a McKenna. I think it is in the bylaws. Skyler is the backup in case McKenna is sick.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Keep it light

and enjoy these times with the kids. Mine are all grown up and I love who they’ve become but I really miss those years.

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 3, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, yeah.

Here’s my best way to diffuse them if you are playing games.
I survey all of my players. I ask them how many minutes out of a 32 minute game they think they should play.
There are 160 possible minutes. The cumulative total is usually around 260 for what the kids think. I tell the parents your kids want to play 260 mnutes out of a possible 160. At any given time I expect several of you to be unhappy with me. It is incredibly diffusing.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Good idea.

Also! Tell them if they play good defense they get minutes. To them, “playing good defense” means chasing your man all around the court, which usually gets them so pooped that they beg to come off the court for a break.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

So true

I tell my players…if you ask to come out, I’ll ask you when you are ready to go back in. If I have to take you out…..well, good luck.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 12:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's the other way I diffuse them

Parents always say " oh my kid makes one mstake and you take them out!" or, “damn! He’s playing great and you take him out!”
I tell them… If your child is playing well I can’t take them out. If they’re playing poorly I can’t take them out. The only way I can take them out is if they are injured!!
It works.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Adelmen has worked magic

With 2 pre-season games plus 5 regular season games. He’s more Zen-master than the Zen-Master

by Rodman99 on Jan 3, 2012 12:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Come on, SnP!

Wes has a great night and you STILL need to be critical of him in the recap? Give the man his due tonight (without the "but"s)!

by JesusCat on Jan 2, 2012 11:53 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

If 14 points,

2 rebounds, 1 assist, and 1 steal in 30 minutes constitutes a “great” night for Wes Johnson, he should be released immediately.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 2, 2012 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I would have been a lot more impressed if he was scoring off put-backs, post-ups, cuts, etc., Offensively he’s as one dimensional as Steve Novak and Jason Kapono, but not nearly as proficient in that one dimension.

by Vlade on Jan 3, 2012 12:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I remember when the Jason Kapono comparison was made last year

It was depressingly accurate.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 3, 2012 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

It was a great night for him, though. Can't be mad at 6-of-6.

It’s world’s better than the past 3 games.

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by TimAllen on Jan 3, 2012 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

He shot as well as he could have.

As for the rest, I’d have to go to the video to make a judgement.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

He had a sweet feed to darko,

After ditching his defender off the catch..i guess that was the assist..but it was rad!

by zero_on_up on Jan 3, 2012 12:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank you Tim

It was a great night for Wes. There were some tough shots he made too. We won by 10 pts, so those 14 obviously helped.

by Rodman99 on Jan 3, 2012 12:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I will not tolerate

soft bigotry.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm a big fan of giving Wes time to figure it out.

But, the guy has to prove it on D and rebounding. He can control that. He can’t control how well he shoots every night, but he can control running back on D. When he does that consistently he’ll be in the conversation for a starting 2-3 for us.

I love ping pong balls!!

by NYCVike on Jan 3, 2012 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not saying I want to put him into the Hall of Fame because of tonight

but if its between tonight’s Wes and last night’s Wes, I’ll gladly take this one.

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by TimAllen on Jan 3, 2012 12:19 AM CST up reply actions  

he did good

No reason to think he couldn’t bring it every night, yet. He seemed more in tune with the team..or maybe that’s the shot % talking

by zero_on_up on Jan 3, 2012 12:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with that

Everyone looks better when the shots go in, and worse when they don’t.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 3, 2012 12:40 AM CST up reply actions  

everytime they zoomed in on him

He looked like a kid who wanted validation from his parents/peer group/whomever for hitting his shot. That’s not a good mental state for an NBA player. I think Darko’s in a better place mentally right now.

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 7:59 AM CST up reply actions  

OK, it was a very good, not a great performance

But my point stil holds. If it was any other player on the team that wasn’t deemed “worthless” that went 6 for 6 tonight, it would have warranted a compliment in the recap. But the post just sounds like he would rather see Wes fail to prove himself right than to see him succeed. Quibbling about not getting to the free throw line? Come on! I don’t expect a Wes lovefest. Just give credit where credit is due. :)

by JesusCat on Jan 3, 2012 12:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

He shot

well. But there are several “Who he play for?” guys having nights like Wes had right now. And Wes had bursts of awesomeness last year (I was at the Laker game), only to follow up with several nights of drifting around the court. When he started this season looking bad and playing statistically worse, I don’t think you can blame fans for dismissing one fantastic shooting night as an anomaly,

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Really, any shooting wing in the NBA

Has the potential to do what Wes did last night. Value is determined by consistency. I used to see this argument all the time for Foye, who just couldn’t hit enough of his shots consistently to justify his role as a starting 2 guard in this league. In baseball there is a huge difference between a .300 and a .250 hitter, although both will have their share of 3 hit games. It takes a longer period of observation, and some actual record keeping beyond just watching, to detect that extra hit every 20 at bats.

by dropstep on Jan 3, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Coaches, with or without "deep" numbers of any kind, know this and value consistent performers.

Anthony Randolph, for example, puts up huge games sometimes. But plays only sporadically, and is derided (whose conversation with scouts was that?) as “playing like a fart in a windstorm.”

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 3, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Consistency is key

but it’s nice to know that Wes isn’t completely incompetent.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Wes shot well

and you could tell it had a positive impact on him, but he really did the same thing he does most nights, which is take a combination of 6-8 deep 2s/3s. Fortunately he made them. He did more off the ball than usual tonight, and I was more encouraged by that than the 2 he made with his foot on the arc. He still needs to get better at being a + player when he doesn’t shoot 100% on the night.

by Mark Blunt on Jan 3, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Although I have no dog in this fight

I must agree with Jesus. I must.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 2, 2012 11:57 PM CST reply actions  

Is that your nickname for Rubio?

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

No Christianity jokes.

My resolution for you. Funny? Yes.nBut Id hate to see you burn in hell.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd hate to see me burn anywhere.

Neverland included.%

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Hope you're doing well CJ

This is your year.

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It has to be.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, keep the faith brother.

It just may be!

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

We all know how hard it is for the omnipotent savior of humanity to take a joke.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 3, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I remember before the season started it was pretty much agreed

That we needed a good coach and Rubio needed to be basketball Jesus for this thing to work. It seems to have worked out…

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 3, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Crazy Thought

I was expecting that Adelman would use this year to figure things out, and with a little luck that we might compete for a playoff spot. But with the Lakers, Spurs, and Mavs looking old, the Grizz looking a bit like a playoff fluke, the Clips coached by Cousin Vinny, is it just me or are one good wing away from being dangerous? Anyone else tempted to be a bit more aggressive in what looks to be a down year in the West?

(I reserve the right to change my opinion if Rubio starts to look like a rookie and if Darko stops playing like a more efficient Kendrick Perkins).

by Vlade on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 AM CST reply actions  

Cousin Vinny.

Awesome.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:04 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I can see the light

But there’s the 4th quarter closing out games thing that needa to be sifted out. Getting the roles down.

My prediction. Derrick Williams turns into one of our cluch scorers the 2nd half of the year. Then we have a pool of Love, Beas, DW and Rubio to close out games, going with the hot hand.

by Rodman99 on Jan 3, 2012 12:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I know Martin is more efficient

but you say Ellis and I just start fantasizing of Monta leaping rimward on the break for an oop.

by aarendsvark on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I kinda have to agree

We don’t necessarly need efficiency, we just need a stone cold killa at the 2. I like Monta for the a little better.

Regardless, I would wait till next year to go in big on a wing player. If something falls into our lap, no complaints. I just don’t think there is a hurry to trade all our chips or break the bank just to get a goo 2 on the team this year.

by TO12 on Jan 3, 2012 7:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Monta,

has had, and has now a few off the court issues that might make Kevin Martin a better veteran presence.

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 3, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we all get really excited

And want the wing now,

but the likelihood that we trade for the right SG now, I don’t believe is very likely.

What I do believe is likely, however is that we wait this thing out and hopefully attack the off-season looking for 2’s. The draft is loaded with them (not that they will be our savior…..but finding a young, productive 2 in the middle of the draft is almost a guarantee if you follow such things), or we that might be the time to pool some resources (I.e. Beasley establishes himself as a 3 to build around, Adleman agrees so you package Williams/Wes/Ridnour for a 2)

I ask for a little bit of patience….we’re not gonna win the title this year one way or the other, and honestly there is an outside chance we make the playoffs this year one way or the other

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Or

poach a decent vet SG from a team that drafts an exciting young 2 and wants to clear playing time for him. Probably a lower cost and more certainty.

I’m still all for going after a vet SG this year, but I’m hesitant to give up Williams unless the player is pretty damn good. I waffle on that one a bit.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 3, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

yep

I agree.

No to Martin yes to Iggy for Williams imo.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe to Ellis

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

say what?

Ellis is damn good SG as is Martin but neither is a good defender. What exactly is it about Ellis that you would like that is not ok in Martin? He has far more assists / 36 but other than that Martin is just the more efficient player and it’s not close.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=ellismo01&y1=2011&p2=martike02&y2=2011

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you're gonna need a volume guy

I did say “maybe” haha

but I think kind of a perfect roster imo would be 4 high efficiency low usage players and then have one preferably wing (since plays generally break down on the wing) more of a efficient volume scorer, but not as worried about efficiently as I am about their ability to get whatever shot they want or need.

If Beasley is the 3 Adleman wants to commit too I don’t think you go for either Martin or Ellis and you either look at Iggy or drafting one of the better defensive/efficient minded SGs
I would feel fairly bitter sweet if we traded Williams for Ellis, but also the fact that Ellis is younger and more athletic than Martin I think also makes me at least more comfortable with his long-term viability as a trading partner. Maybe we can get GS to throw in Ekpe Udoh as well for Wes.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

To tag onto my point

If you trade Williams it needs to be a trade that also considers the long-term viability of the franchise. I don’t love the idea of trading him for players closing in on 30, I would make an exception to Iggy because A) almost everything we need help with he provides, and B) I think his game has a little more length in his career than Martin (He’s younger and his body is built to take a beating a lot better).

If the Wolves trade Williams I think 26 is probably the oldest they should consider. Their best player is 23 and their second best player is 21…..I think finding that 3rd piece that can triage a 6-7 run of dominance is the right way to go.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

". . . we’re not gonna win the title this year one way or the other . . ."

BLASPHEMER!

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

It's going to be a flukey year.

Short training camp.
Only 2 preseason games
Back to back to backs
Averaging a game every 1.9 ish days
Only 66 games

I"m not a betting man, but this would be the year for crazy things to happen. Seriously I think what a broken wrist early to Manu or another sprained ankle to Curry could mean to a team in this shortened mess.

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 3, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm glad all the crazy "bad" things

will only happen to other teams.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep, no one comes out unscathed

Lee knee
Pekovic Groin
Barea hammy
Beasley shooting hand finger

And we wouldn’t be out of preseason yet in a normal year.

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 3, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Still Waiting

for the Sophmore injury but then again Wes is the Sophmore so it should have minimal affect on the team…

Waiting for Relevancy...

by Bombnuke on Jan 3, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Can we get some Darko love in this game?

I know +/- is a flawed stat, but Darko was almost 10 points ahead of anyone else on the team. He makes a real difference on D against this kind of team, and allowed us to maintain the lead. He’s getting better and better as we go along. I think RA just might turn the island of misfit toys into a unit that maximizes our talent. I couldn’t be more excited about what this team looks like halfway through the season.

I love ping pong balls!!

by NYCVike on Jan 3, 2012 12:03 AM CST reply actions  

Darko played well tonight.

That early lefty hook sucked, but I guess it’s been a while. He had to get it out of his system. Darko checked Duncan pretty effectively.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I was a bit surprised

Rick didn’t give Darko a bit of run in the 4th. Love looked like he could use a two minute break, and Tolliver was having some trouble with Splitter. Not a big deal obviously, but I’m guessing we’ll need him in the 4th one night.

by Vlade on Jan 3, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Look at the past games against SA (last year)...

Darko was a beast, and shut down Duncan consistently. Not surprised, albeit slightly underwhelmed tonight.

Lots of chatter from the SA announcers: “Darko is quite a presence with those long arms and solid D”, etc. talk. Agreed.

Still have my Foye jersey. Hey- at least she TRIED! :--)

by LoveLovesLove on Jan 3, 2012 12:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I disagree

I don’t think he’ll consistently give you 36mpg but he plays effective ball for probably 20-25 minutes each night.

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 8:09 AM CST up reply actions  

He had 2 rebounds

and was a complete non-factor under the rim and on boards on both sides of the ball. Think about it, when you ever were able to say that about him? Now he just shoots long twos and passes from the high-post. That’s not his game.

by tanat-0s on Jan 3, 2012 8:14 AM CST up reply actions  

He's always been good at passing and hitting 10-15 footers

He was a bit further out than I’m used to seeing him, but I disagree that he doesn’t protect the rim or rebound. It’s not at the levels he used to be but for a guy his age, he’s quite productive and still the Spur’s best option at the 4 or 5.

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't say he's bad at it

it’s just not his game, and it’s not what made him who he is in this league. And Love, Darko and Beas went in the paint at times like Duncan wasn’t there. Even last year he wouldn’t stand for that. Shit, Tim averages 10 and 5 in the season so far on 40% from the field. That’s just bad, anyway you slice it.

by tanat-0s on Jan 3, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

if you read the thread on PtR from yesterday

They’re claiming that his role is mostly due to the offense changed last year to make them more of a run and gun team. Which honestly is probably Pop adjusting to an aging Duncan. You’re probably right but I’d hate to see the league lose one of it’s good guys. As much as I dislike Manu’s flopping, I love Duncan so I’m probably quite biased. That said, I expect the 40% to change as he was just stone cold from the field and I think that’s small sample size.

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

As much as my friends love the Spurs, the hangdog timmy face kills it for me.

One of my least favorite teams to watch in the league, even though I like them fine on paper.

Parker and Duncan with the “who me? I’m just an innocent mopey puppy” look.

Manu with the crazy flopping.

by Tollysnipes on Jan 3, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I still cannot ever understand this.

He makes a face? KG screamed “MF” so all the world could hear. Players much, much more demonstrative than Duncan get no flak at all. Me no get.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 3, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Even that part of his game is robotic

(shutting himself down)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Mine from last year:

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Tim Donekin

Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"

by Tangerine dream on Jan 3, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

i'm trying to be excellent to each other, I'm really trying

but this seems like one of the most myopic comments on a game recap I’ve read in a long long time (on the Spurs’ sbn page):

“I thought we played as well as necessary. Any other night, the Spurs would have won that game by 15. Minnesota simply made more shots than they should have tonight”

of course later in the recap, these words were said:

" I think this is a championship caliber team. A champion would find a way, and I think the Spurs will."

so perhaps there really isn’t much point in going over this.

On the other hand, I really really hate the Spurs.

"Can someone please help me out, who did wolves pick, doesnt look too positive around here"

by Rasho Revolution on Jan 3, 2012 12:14 AM CST reply actions  

Even when Radislav played for them?

Joe Mauer grounded out to second
Bill Smith - Buy high, Hold high, Sell for a bag of chips

by GWST11 on Jan 3, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I dunno mad, its kind of hard to hate any team that has Duncan and Ginobli

Duncan is possibly the nicest star to play in the NBA….Ever…And Ginobli is one of the craftiest players of the past 10 years or so.

I actually didn’t mind watching those two make great plays against us.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 3, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I mind watching Ginobili flop against us

and although I will NEVER applaud anyone getting hurt, I couldn’t help but think “karma!” when he broke his hand hacking us.

by mg7505 on Jan 3, 2012 12:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah his flops were pretty garbage

But its still really funny to watch, because you and I know he’s a flopper, and everyone on the court, including his teammates, know he’s a flopper, and yet he still gets the calls. Unstoppable.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 3, 2012 12:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I like Duncan, even though he's boring.

I can come close to hate for Ginobili, though. Every time he touches someone he flails like an extra in the Matrix. He’s using theater to influence an athletic contest. I know plenty of players do, but not usually so egregiously.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:26 AM CST up reply actions  

D-Fish...

is all the acting without all the awesome stuff that Ginobili does. I hate the flopping too, but I find Ginobili very fun to watch because of his creativity and unique game.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 3, 2012 12:33 AM CST up reply actions  

That's...beautiful.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 3, 2012 12:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Do they have a special flop coach in SA?

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:42 AM CST up reply actions  

no

they just watch a lot of Argentine Soccer.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 3, 2012 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Winner!

For not even being touched, and not even deciding to flop until well after the phantom elbow, the winner is (for me at least) Chris Bosh!

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 3, 2012 2:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I was trying to decide a winner,

but every time I put one of these videos up against another, they both flopped … and my browser crashed.

by mg7505 on Jan 3, 2012 3:11 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

For a second I thought he was just going to go straight over backwards.

Now that woulda been dedication to flopping.

Live And Stupid From England

by JonesTheCat on Jan 3, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I love JVG

best color guy in sports for my money. He called that right away.

by Tollysnipes on Jan 3, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

In the same way that a nuclear explosion is beautiful.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Flagged

for liking Ginobli. some one needs to go to every game he plays and hold a sign that says “soccer teams in Argentina take flopping lessons from Ginobli,” or some such. Ref’s need to start doing hteir jobs and give him a TK every time his back touches the floor. Nothing makes me hate a player more then flopping, and there is no player that flops more often then Ginobli. that broken finger he suffered last night was Karma.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 3, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm happy to see us get 2 of the 34 wins I predicted tonight.

Honestly, to start this season, I didn’t think there was much of a chance at all to start anything but 0-5 or 0-6. This coming from an optimist.

DANG this board jumps around a lot with this flood of comments!

Still have my Foye jersey. Hey- at least she TRIED! :--)

by LoveLovesLove on Jan 3, 2012 12:27 AM CST reply actions  

We got two wins last night?

I was sure only Tim Allen could manage 34 victories in one night but we’ll get there one day.

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 8:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Random question

where did SG go? Just curious.

Joe Mauer grounded out to second
Bill Smith - Buy high, Hold high, Sell for a bag of chips

by GWST11 on Jan 3, 2012 1:03 AM CST reply actions  

Pointed question.

Is SG a person or a thing?

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 1:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he was asking about you

Synical Gason.

Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.

by nodnarb on Jan 3, 2012 1:17 AM CST up reply actions  

If that's the case,

Heer I em.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 1:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Nevermind

There you are!

Joe Mauer grounded out to second
Bill Smith - Buy high, Hold high, Sell for a bag of chips

by GWST11 on Jan 3, 2012 1:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Well done.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 1:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha!

You two go outside and play hide and seek before you break somethin!

Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.

by nodnarb on Jan 3, 2012 1:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I wonder if

I’d be laughing this hard if it wasn’t 3:00 am.

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 3, 2012 3:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Did anyone else notice they got Wes' picture wrong in the opening line-up?

I think they used Courtney Lee’s as well as the number 5. You can see it at in League Pass right before tip off. I tried to publish a screenshot of it as either a fanshot or fanpost without luck, because of the whole “needs to be on the internet” deal.

Either way it is a hilarious comment on his general irrelevance, notwithstanding his perfect shooting night.

by Tollysnipes on Jan 3, 2012 1:07 AM CST reply actions  

If anyone has a way to do that, I'd love the help

as it would be a perfect thing to have in our arsenal for future Wes discussions.

by Tollysnipes on Jan 3, 2012 1:09 AM CST up reply actions  

courtesy of illwafer

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6624714597_26416ccfa8_b.jpg

Joe Mauer grounded out to second
Bill Smith - Buy high, Hold high, Sell for a bag of chips

by GWST11 on Jan 3, 2012 1:14 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Who the hell makes that mistake?

Seriously.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 1:17 AM CST up reply actions  

That is too funny...

Still have my Foye jersey. Hey- at least she TRIED! :--)

by LoveLovesLove on Jan 3, 2012 1:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Wes Johnson should request it

if it means he will keep hitting shots.

Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.

by nodnarb on Jan 3, 2012 1:24 AM CST up reply actions  

You may have a point, there.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 1:26 AM CST up reply actions  

haha it was Devin Harris

there was a screenshot of it in the game thread

Joe Mauer grounded out to second
Bill Smith - Buy high, Hold high, Sell for a bag of chips

by GWST11 on Jan 3, 2012 1:12 AM CST up reply actions  

So glad we proved our mettle again,

I shall sign off with some talking heads lyrics,
Which may or may not be from the album referenced in the post title,

Stay empty stay empty stay empty
Move and hustle move and hustle move and hustle
Competition competition competition…

by zero_on_up on Jan 3, 2012 1:15 AM CST reply actions  

Nice news to wake up to (especially as the Arsenal lost yesterday :()

Looking forward to watching the game after work.

Oh, and S-n-P, NBA Kung Fu Panda is genius.

Live And Stupid From England

by JonesTheCat on Jan 3, 2012 2:04 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Oh, and I see ATL beat the Heat.

Nice.

Live And Stupid From England

by JonesTheCat on Jan 3, 2012 2:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

And Dallas beat OKC.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 2:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Watched on League Pass Broadband
  • First, LPBB seems improved. The VCR-like controls actually work now – FFing a little bit moves to the correct part of the game unlike last year. The feed also seemed pretty high definition – much better than last year. Not sure if that is an abberation due to having the Spurs feed or what.
  • Darko’s defense on Duncan was pretty bad. He left him open for made jumper after made jumper.
  • Luke’s offense was really important in this game. Rubio’s shot was off and Luke made some timely baskets.
  • I liked the way Beasley played better today. Drove into the paint and made some nice passes.
  • Tolliver really helps settle down the defense. Makes good rotations and puts hands up straight.
  • Love was just ripping the ball away from strong guys like Blair. Dude’s hands are so strong.
  • Adelman called some good timeouts when the Wolves hadn’t yet yakked up the lead but were starting to play in a ragged way. They really ate clock on the 4th quarter, going deep into the shot clock over and over.
  • The SA announcers were quite complementary, remarking several times on the depth and length of the Wolves roster. Sounded very Kahnsian.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Jan 3, 2012 2:34 AM CST reply actions  

I've been checking out the free LPBB too

It does seem improved, and so far all the Wolves games have been in that quasi-HD quality. It seems their best quality is somewhere between actual HD and SD, but it turns out nice. I connect it to my flatscreen, and it still looks good.

by TO12 on Jan 3, 2012 7:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I leave it on the 'best available' setting, seems ok.

Interface is same as last year, which is a shame as its not the most user-friendly.

Live And Stupid From England

by JonesTheCat on Jan 3, 2012 8:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'd replace Darko with...

Williams or Beas if it’s a good Beas day

The artist formally known as Shane Heal, but FORMERLY known as Blakeley

by Shane Heal on Jan 3, 2012 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

You might be talking about the best lineup

I still like Darko starting. Sets a good tone, and we get to start off with a little extra intreior D

by TO12 on Jan 3, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Duncan hadn't been hitting those shots

It’s possible the defensive gameplan was to let Duncan try and beat you from outside. He went 5 for 5 on early jumpshots, and while wide open, that is likely nto going to happen every game.

Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.

by Ebomb on Jan 3, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Pounding the Rock posters' version is that Duncan is being allowed to shoot those these days.

They had a few responses to Cynical Jason’s criticizing the Wolves’, and specifically Love’s, defense on Duncan.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 3, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Darko

was playing solid team defense and cutting off driving lanes for Parker and others. Perhaps he could have closed out a little better on Duncan, but overall the tradeoff being made was dribble drive penetration in exchange for long two’s.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 3, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

It's early

But through 5 games, we’re seeing a huge difference in 3pt defense. Last year, the Wolves ranked 29th in opponent 3-point shots made, 30th in opponent 3-point shots attempted, and 27th in opponent 3-point percentage. This year, they rank 6th, 15th, and 6th in those categories, respectively.

They went from allowing the most 3-point attempts in the league at a an astonishing 37.4% clip to holding opponents to 27.6% on the 15th most 3-point attempts in the league. It’s a big part of our (early) improved play.

by WolvesFan03 on Jan 3, 2012 8:06 AM CST reply actions  

The defensive doctrine of last year was so screwed up.

Let’s see if that can hold through vaunted opponents like Wesley Matthews. Bad memories.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 3, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

So far a favorite thing for me is

not having to watch the MPE (Marginal Player Explosion) night in and night out.

by twolf1 on Jan 3, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Ooooooo--

I’ve been looking for a good name for that phenomenon.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

no doubt!

I hadn’t quite connected my sense of our improved defense with that refreshing fact-like statement

by zero_on_up on Jan 4, 2012 1:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that was kind of weird.

I make a comment critical of a player on my team and they rush to gainsay me. I guess the idea that Duncan wasn’t in total control of the one thing he did well last night is scary for them. Duncan’s in steep decline. I don’t doubt that he can still shoot those long twos, but there were a couple of occasions when nobody bothered to rotate to him.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Didn't watch the game, but

it’s amazing the difference between Rubio´s stats and what his highlights say.

The best was watching Green’s face after being blocked.

by Joe Kozinski on Jan 3, 2012 8:22 AM CST reply actions  

I was largely expecting another "Love and Rubio" coloumn

Which is kinda what we got. But props for allowing the credit to go to other players as well. Which it was a team effort, lead by Love and Ridnour actually (not as much Rubio in this one…all though he did play well)

This was a game for all us potential nut jobs to point back on two weeks from now when Beasley sticks to the mid range game and Wes reverts back to the “three point specialist who can’t hit three pointers”

It’s really an exciting time for us.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 8:40 AM CST reply actions  

For Wes I think it might be

He’s a shooter who hasn’t been making shots….I do buy the confidence argument.

I don’t think he’s going to be a star….but SnP is right profiling the kind of player who can help out in the NBA, active, always moving, good defensive player, excellent passer, hits open shots….I don’t see why that is unattainable even with his poor start this season and career.

For as big of a Beasley guy as I am, the doubters are all right in the sense that we’ve seen games like this before from him.

I’m a huge Beasley guy and want to give him every opportunity to succeed, but before he is a guy we can count on we need to not see just a stretch of “hot shooting” from him.

Which in fairness, this wasn’t a game I would classify as “him shooting the ball well” I was at the game and it did look like he was still a little off, but his consistently attacking the basket made up for it.

But the guy has given excellent effort all season, which is encouraging and he has surprisingly been one of their more consistent defensive players, he looked a lot more willing to pass and work within the framework of an offense which is cool.

I’m a Beasley guy and I buy the argument that we should let Adleman have a solid run with some of these players as he is 10x the coach any of these guys have ever had, but especially with Beasley the clock is ticking quickly. Each bad game is one game closer to him not being a Wolf anymore (either by trade or the fact that if he has more bad games than good ones we probably won’t resign him), and I like the guy and want to root for him and root for him for a long time. He oddly feels like the perfect Timberwolf, misfit, hard luck, wrong place at the wrong time kinda player (Miami was probably the worst team for him to go to in that draft), some of it to his own doing, sure….but he and KLove are kinda “Wolves” themselves and they are packing together here in Minnesota.

Maybe that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, but it’s the way I’ve always seen the Beasley era of Wolves basketball…..and the guy wants to stay here too which is cool.

I’m rooting for him…..but he’s gotta be more consistent.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed on basically all counts

My only nitpick is that Beas didn’t necessarly just get hot for one game here. SNP kind of noted it, but he was taking better, smarter shots. Now it’s debatable if the selection was more due to circumstance and less due to any ‘breakthrough,’ but being the Super-Cool apologist that I am, I feel like we are seeing some imporvments.

As you said, if anyone can get Beas on track, it’s RA. I am starting to have faith that Beas will be a positive asset to the team.

by TO12 on Jan 3, 2012 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I had said

I wouldn’t classify this game for Beast as a “Hot shooting” night. I was there and sat close enough to see him kind of labor through his jump shots….His shots went in because he either took A) Open shots, or B) Shots close to the hoop.

It was an encouraging night. I would also like to see him finish a tad bit stronger, he tries to soft touch it too much for a 6’9 230 guy….he’ll get more fouls that way.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

My bad, you wrote too much for me to remember it alll, haha

But ya. Him and Wes, for such athletic, strong guys, they sure seem afraid to take it hard and get hit. Especially Beas… he has the frame of LeBron, he needs to start acting like it.

by TO12 on Jan 3, 2012 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree to you and TO12

Want to see Beas go glass for lay-ups more.

Beas is having to find his role and niche with the team. It’s a learning process. He’s not just going to be an iso scorer anymore. He’s going to have to learn to find different kinds of shots.

Close ups of him during the Dallas game he looked down, kind of bummed out that he wasn’t doing well. Then he made a comment about his finger that it was good he got hurt, because his shooting was so bad. Beas, probably like everyone, wants to contribute and be a part of it. I expect Adelman to work wonders with him, and I’ve seen a willingness to learn.

by Rodman99 on Jan 3, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I really like Beasley's comment too

First I had some problems with it, namely if he knows his shooting spots are idiotic to say the least, why doesn’t he give up shooting from just inside the arc?

Then I came to realize that I also do a lot of mistakes consistently that I am aware of. It’s not that easy to kill habits that became instincts.

The plus side: Beasley wants to change and he knows what to change.

Minus side: it’s extremely diffcult to change.

I’m rooting for him.

by Keelhaul on Jan 3, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm actually okay with Beasley's step back from time-to-time

assuming he can hit the shot, it will open up the dribble drive more.

But I mean, I’m cool with it like 4 times a game….not 8

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

hey

if I can change and you can change, everybody can change.

by tanat-0s on Jan 3, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Focus

Sitting at work a little unfocused thinking about Beasely’s game. People often say that his focus is part of the problem, I am interested to see what RA does about this. He is a young kid still in high school the best, in college the best and then he gets 2 unproven head coaches in the NBA. Beasley has always been able to rely on raw skill and never saw consequences for not pushing himself beyond natural ability I think RA will bring this and bring a focus to his game that we haven’t seen yet. At least I can hope!!!

by eyecatcher on Jan 3, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Love
the Oregon god of rebounding,

If you are going to write for this blog at least get your facts straight.,

Love was born in Santa Moncia, CA. He played his college ball at UCLA.

He just happened to have had the misfortune of going to high school in Oregon.

by Buddahfan on Jan 3, 2012 8:51 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, jeez!

Don’t you know anything? He just went to high school in Oregon! It’s not like he was ever there, or is associated with the state in any way, or played ball with Rick Adelman’s son there! Gosh!

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

but Oregon god of rebounding

sounds better than California god of rebounding. There are just soooooo many trees in Oregon. Think of all those potential boards…it’s the stuff of legend.

"My love for Jerry Kill knows no bounds." - Jeffrick

by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 3, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Something against Oregon?

Or is it just the high schools you don’t care for?

by nextmove on Jan 3, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Do we change Clippergeddon to ChrisPaul-ergeddon

Anyone else think that the worst thing about the Jaric trade may be facing the Clippers and Chris Paul in the playoffs…

Well, that could be the result.

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by ChicagoViking on Jan 3, 2012 8:55 AM CST reply actions  

Lol, let's get above .500 first

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Thought #2

Good time to sign Love to MAX when team is on high — good PR, Love may sign quicker…

Well, it’s always been a good time to sign him to MAX after last season…

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by ChicagoViking on Jan 3, 2012 8:58 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed. Sign him now

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

It was a nice game in which most everyone played well,

but I have to learn how to enjoy these games again. I watch with more of sense of dread than anything. I’m so used to seeing them blow it, or have the “better” team turn it on just enough at the end to win, or get ripped off by a crappy “star” call, that I just keep waiting for that to happen. A few more wins ought to straighten me out.

by Madison Dan on Jan 3, 2012 9:07 AM CST reply actions  

Doesn't that almost make it more fun

when it doesn’t happen? I think, if this all goes where i think it might, I’ll miss the days where any old win was enough to get me all starry-eyed.

by LoveTo on Jan 3, 2012 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

It depends

I didn’t think we’d beat OKC, that was fun either way, and would have been awesome if we’d pulled it out. I thought we just got ripped off (by excessive talent and the refs) against Miami, so that one made me mad. The Mavs and Spurs games both felt like we were really the better team, at least that night. It was much more of a relief than joy that we finished the job.

by Madison Dan on Jan 3, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

I felt awful both times the Mavs battled back from the double digit defecits. Even yesterday when the Spurs would cut it to less than ten I’d get the feeling we would blow and sink deeper and deeper into my chair.

by Vandelay Ind. on Jan 3, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

It is just plain weird

It’s almost like an abused dog with a new owner. It takes a while for the tail to wag.

Follow @canishoopus

by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Let's see

Wolves fans… abused dogs… tail wagging…
Yep, I can’t think of any better way to say it.

by TO12 on Jan 3, 2012 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

And let me add

That right now I am at work and can’t unglue me eyes from Canis Hoopus. I’ll tell you, it wasn’t like this last year.

Go Wolves.

by TO12 on Jan 3, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Me too :/

Dear Lord, Beer me strength

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Just shows that Beasley

is bad to the bone.

Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way

by Flagrant on Jan 3, 2012 10:05 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

yes haha

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Derrick Williams is an awesome offensive player

that’s all I’ve got to say about that

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 10:09 AM CST reply actions  

Thank you

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Please don't tell him to smoke some

We don’t want him getting all creative on us.

by Rodman99 on Jan 3, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

If

anyone can do this, ’tis you.

Tune in this week to "At the Movies With MAYNHOLUP and Jonny Flynn":

Jonny: OMG Salt was so good Angeline Jolie kicked some serious butt in that movie

MAYNHOLUP: mayn fuck u Jonny Flynn

by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

No offense but...

just peeked at spurs page and they’re like a group of inbred family members that attack anything unfamiliar to them with pitchforks

(i prefaced this with no offense, which means I get to say whatever I want thereafter)

by Dr_Defecate on Jan 3, 2012 10:31 AM CST reply actions  

They're in mourning, as one of them said, over Manu.

Used to winning, feel entitled to it.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 3, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not going to say that "entitled" comment is 100% wrong

But as the guy who runs PtR, I can tell you that’s not the way I want people behaving.

And I posted this today in order to encourage the best mindset.

Also, it wasn’t everybody over there reacting like they’d just been stabbed in the back, I’d like to think that the majority of the members in the thread last night didn’t have an issue with Cynical Jason or uofmike. Were some of the comments borderline dangerous in view of you guys winning and Manu being hurt? Probably. But I thought they were funny.

small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Jan 3, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

The word may go a little far, "entitled,"

but honestly I don’t think your commenters can really understand what it’s like not to see a 50-plus game winner out there. There’s a different tone there.

"Opinion ...a confession."

by feral on Jan 4, 2012 12:37 AM CST up reply actions  

We went through this exact same conversation after I contributed to a post with Dave from Blazer’s Edge, and he described it as a side effect of following a winning team. When you guys have three seasons in a row of 60% wins (and with this core, you will) then Bobcats fans will pop in on your threads and report back to their home blog about “the tone” that you guys have.

And this isn’t something negative. It’s just the way of things; no matter how much you say it won’t happen to you when your team experiences success.

small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Jan 4, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

SALTS

Outrageous indeed! =]

small ball will at least be bigger overall. - grego21
Pounding the Rock

by J.R. Wilco on Jan 4, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Many of us already are

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Jan 4, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of Pitchforks

Let’s find David Thorpe…

Question: Rubio, Knight, Irving – looks like a really great infusion of point guards in the league again, yes? It’s early, but any thoughts on how they project a couple years down the road compared with the Paul, D-Will, Rose, Westbrook elite pool?

David Thorpe: I don’t see any of them reaching Rose’s level without a coach like TT, but all 3 have serious talent. Knight, to me, will be the best of the bunch 5 years from now.

Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.

by Ebomb on Jan 3, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

David Thorpe is awesome.

And he’s been singing Rubio’s praises this season. He’s on board.

Follow me on Twitter @timallenonline

by TimAllen on Jan 3, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

David Thorpe sings?

Is he a tenor? I don’t care if he’s Pavaratti Junior, he needs to be waxing poetically about Rubio, not Knight. Need. Validation. Yesterday.

Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.

by Ebomb on Jan 3, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I like Knight from what I've seen

but making predictions 5 years old is ludicrous.

Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way

by Flagrant on Jan 3, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Spurs fan and PTR member here

At least you said “no offense”.

Forming an opinion on a blog after reading the recap of the game in which the team lost its best player is not wise. If you check out other articles, you’ll see that the community is great and diverse and welcoming. There are Suns, Lakers and Warriors fans who post regularly.
I don’t judge this blog by their worst elements. You shouldn’t judge PTR by how people react after losing Manu, who is worshiped there.

Anyway, I like Canis Hoopus and TimAllen’s previews rock.

"Deep down we all know that swagger comes hand in hand with insecurity. We strut not to convince competitors of our dominance; we strut to convince ourselves."
Matthew Powell

by Edg5 on Jan 3, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed about Manu.

We give him shit for flopping, but I would venture to guess that almost everyone here respects the hell out of that dude’s game. I love watching him. Fingers crossed for you all.

by TheH on Jan 3, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't judge everyone...

…on the word of Dr. Deficate.

Sorry about manu :-(

by bustaone on Jan 3, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh OK. Didn’t know that. The community you guys have here is awesome and I always lurk around these parts since I made the Wolves my second team (before Rubio, even). For whatever reason I like Darko and Kevin Love is just an amazing basketball player. Also, the franchise was getting berated too much and I like rooting for the underdog.

As for the Manu hate, he is used to it and most Spurs fans are used to it. 90% of the league flops and you guys have some floppers on the team too ::cough Barea cough::, but Manu is definitely more theatrical about it and has been getting away with it for so long that I can see why he is so disliked by other fanbases.

Anyway, if you ever feel like posting on PTR, I’m sure you’ll be more than welcome. We are kind of obsessed with Breaking Bad and we don’t used the subject line but other than that we are a pretty normal bunch.

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by Edg5 on Jan 3, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't talk Breaking Bad, only having started season one a couple of weeks ago.

Scary good. Bryan Cranston…. Even on Malcolm in the Middle, he was so special.

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by feral on Jan 3, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Cosign

Finally caught up on episodes, and it keeps on getting better. Stick with it, not least because of Cranston. There are some pretty stellar performers that enter into the series later on.

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by nja700 on Jan 4, 2012 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed. Also, the pace of the show just grabs you and doesn’t let go. It’s such an intense show, I don’t think even Kevin Garnett can handle it :)

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by Edg5 on Jan 4, 2012 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

You nailed it
Power of good writing.

This is the foundation. And it all starts with Vince Gilligan. He built the writing team that makes the whole thing go. And the story is so great that quality people are lining up to be involved.

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by J.R. Wilco on Jan 4, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Breaking Bad may be the best TV show of all time.

Provided people can accept the subject matter. Walt, Jesse, Skylar, Gus…. Are all so well acted and the storyline is so phenomenal that I can’t say enough good about it.

The only thing that irks me a little is that this last season should have been the final. It couldn’t have ended any more perfectly. I’m worried about next season sucking.

by bustaone on Jan 4, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks, man. =)

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by TimAllen on Jan 3, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't realize it until just now

but we’re tied for the eighth seed in the West. Granted, it’s a five-way tie but still….

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by TMiss on Jan 3, 2012 11:15 AM CST reply actions  

check out our upcoming schedule.

I fully expect us to be 5-4 going into next Tuesday’s tilt against Chicago.

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep...

Memphis, Cleveland, Washington and Toronto.

All four are very winnable. It will be fun to see Kyrie vs. Ricky.

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by TimAllen on Jan 3, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

What?

You’re not predicting 6-3 outright? are you feeling ok?

by zebano on Jan 3, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I see what you did there.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

David Kahn smear campaign

Wojrionoski couldn’t do it alone…

..this time he brought company…

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

This is such a loaded issue

(i.e. Love’s extension) After last season and before Adelman, I’m sure Love has had some serious reservations about resigning here (heck I bet he did when we were 0-3). So do you offer him a deal as soon as you can, then he delays and the story, “Love hasn’t resigned though an offer is on the table” comes out. Much drama ensues.

Or you wait and let Adelman weigh in on the issue about Love and his worth. Plus you get a chance to see how Love fits in with Rubio and the overall team to determine his worth. Now Love shows up in crazy good shape and takes his game to the next level (actually think he’s kicked it up more than one level). Right now he’s demonstrated he worth max money.

Kahn can get ripped for a lot of things, but he’s proven adept at the contract negotiation thing. He’s very patient and waits until the right time to make his move. As many posters have said, it’s a great time to lock him up now.

I’m guessing it gets done on time.

by Rodman99 on Jan 3, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

It used to be

that a hot shooting night would keep the Wolves close to a good team, and maybe beat a bad team.

Now, it means an easy win over a Dynasty team, even when that team is also shooting well.

Very encouraging that the starters contributed more (meaning non-Love starters, since he’s a constant force).

What a likeable team this is.

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by Andy G on Jan 3, 2012 11:56 AM CST reply actions  

Nice point

And agreed about the likeable team. At the risk of getting my head out over my skis, I wonder if they’ve got a foundation in Love/Rubio that’s potentially somewhat reminiscant of the early-aught Mavs with a young Dirk/Nash (although Nash didn’t really become an impact player until age 26). Lessons to be learned from that latter team: 1) Don’t solve your center issues by signing stiffs; 2) somehow, someway find a versatile wing who’s happy to play the third fiddle (e.g., Finley, Howard…) Maybe that’ll be D Williams, but we’ll see.

by jianfu on Jan 3, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

In Other News of the Weird

After last night, the Wolves are currently 6th in bb-ref’s SRS, which is based off point differential and strength of schedule. I know it’s early, small samples, SOS is dicey at this point, etc….. but 6th! Just crazy talk.

by jianfu on Jan 3, 2012 1:08 PM CST reply actions  

I think this is another sign that Miluakee might be the expection

3 games of good production under Adleman

1 awful game under Porter

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 1:15 PM CST reply actions  

Or that Milwaukee is really good, too

They’re muckers with good players and a tough coach/style.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh sure

I more so meant the overall feel of the game

I would have been more than okay with a well played loss against the Bucks. I don’t disrespect them at all, they’re a borderline, if not automatic playoff team in the East

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with the basic premise

I don’t think Beasley sits on the floor with Adelman around.

That being said, Milwaukee isn’t the team to measure much against. They try to junk it up. They’re good. Very good, actually.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Between..

the Badgers and the Bucks, I really think Wisconsin just doesn’t want anyone to enjoy the sport of basketball.

by vjl110 on Jan 3, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Young Badgers are

the Future of the NBA.

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by PoorDick on Jan 3, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

The Bucks are ugly

but I don’t understand the criticism of the Badgers. I kind of like seeing an offense that works for a good shot and doesn’t turn the ball over. And they’ll even run a little if they have to. I think Bo’s teams are much more fun to watch than Bennett’s were. Those were painful. (Reminder: I live in Madison, but I’m not a Badger fan, much to my in-law’s chagrin.)

by Madison Dan on Jan 3, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't just laugh out loud.

I cackled.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 3, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

chortling

"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)

by uncle rico on Jan 4, 2012 4:17 AM CST up reply actions  

There are people trying to sleep in this house

And I am actually shaking with laughter.

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by JonesTheCat on Jan 3, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Beasley recognizes Adleman's hammer

And I think this is why the Beasley believers still have the glimmer of hope.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know if you ever played H.S. ball with a guy like Beasley

But it almost reminds me of a H.S. ball player/coach relationship when the player is really too good to sit (especially on the team) but a good coach will let him know he has the hammer….and he won’t play if the coach doesn’t want him too.

It’s the pro’s and theoretically Beasley should be more professional….but people are all wired different ways and what works for Love, or Carmelo doesn’t mean that is the way Beasley is gonna get to the promise land. (if he ever even does)

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Played in some camps with John Thomas and Sam Jacobsen

They were the closest, talent wise. Bebop Walker was probably the closest in terms of talent and attitude. I have no idea how that would play out at higher levels or outside of an AAU-ish setting.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 3, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

It's pretty easy to win basketball games when you're 3 point specialist hits 3 pointers

Thanks, Wes

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 3, 2012 3:03 PM CST reply actions  

It also helps when your defense prevents 3-pointers

Rambis never really understood that 3 > 2. There are only 6 teams that have allowed more 3-point makes than our Timberwolves this season.

The real test will be when we play Phoenix. In Rambis’ tenure, Channing Frye torched our Wolves for 33 3-point makes! That’s right, one freakin’ player scored nearly 100 points from beyond the arc in two seasons against us. Pathetic.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 3, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

A better Talking Heads clip

This season is like the anti-George. So maybe this is a better video, though I find it anticlimactic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xYi8u-HsQTg

by Zev on Jan 3, 2012 3:59 PM CST reply actions  

Just watched the game.

Yeah, we’re good now.

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by JonesTheCat on Jan 3, 2012 6:09 PM CST reply actions  

What's impressive to me, is that

While we’ve lost 3, they’ve been by a combined 9 points and we were still in the games at the end.

The two we’ve won, we wrapped it up by the middle of the 4th and won by over 10 points both times.

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