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Timberwolves Draft Assets

I apologize up front if this is on the site somewhere, but I was interested in exactly what trade assets the Wolves currently had. My source is http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Timberwolves.htm and Real GM. There were a number of choices for the formatting here, none are perfect, but perhaps your comments can suggest a better way to look at this.

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2012

a. Wolves 1st gone (Jaric).

b. Jazz 1st if not top 14 (Jefferson), otherwise see 2013

c. Wolves 2nd if top 55 (Jawai), otherwise gone

d. Rockets 2nd if pick 31-40 (Parsons), otherwise n/a

e. Thunder 2nd (Hayward), see 2013

2013

a. Wolves 1st

b. If 2012-b not conveyed, Jazz 1st if not top 12, otherwise see 2014

c. Grizzlies 1st if not top 14 (Motiejunas), otherwise see 2014

d. Wolves 2nd gone (Telfair, D. West)

e. Nets 2nd (Bogdanovic)

f. If 2012-e is pick 47-60, then Thunder 2nd (Hayward), otherwise n/a

2014

a. If 2013-b not conveyed, and if Jazz 1st not top 9, the better of Jazz 1st or Wolves 1st, otherwise Wolves 1st

b. If 2013-c not conveyed, Grizzlies 1st if not top 14, otherwise see 2015

c. Wolves 2nd gone (Beasley)

d. Hornets 2nd (Songalia)

e. If 2013-b not conveyed and 2014-a is Wolves pick, then Jazz 2nd, otherwise n/a

2015

a. Wolves 1st

b. If 2014-b not conveyed, Grizzlies 1st if not top 14, otherwise see 2016

c. Better of Nuggets 2nd (Brewer) or Wolves 2nd

d. Worse of 2015-c gone (Ngombo)

2016

a. Wolves 1st

b. If 2015-b not conveyed, Grizzlies 1st if not top 14, otherwise see 2016-d

c. Wolves 2nd

d. If 2016-b not conveyed, Grizzlies 2nd, otherwise n/a

2017

a. Wolves 1st

b. Wolves 2nd

The other interesting item here is that the Wolves could have anywhere from 1-4 picks in the 2012 draft. They could have the Jazz 1st and the Wolves', Rockets', and Thunder's 2nd. For the Wolves to lose their own pick, though, they'd have to win it all or finish with a top five record. The Houston pick is probably not likely, as the Rockets would have to finish with a bottom 10 record. I think they'll make the lottery, but it will be as one of the best records...they're a lot better than most team that will be in the lottery. Still, the Wolves, Jazz, GSW, and maybe one of Phoenix or an East team could all finish ahead of Houston, thereby gifting the Rockets' 2nd to Minnesota.

My opinion for the 2012 draft is that the Wolves keep their own 2nd, get OKC's 2nd,, and miss on Utah's 1st and Houston's 2nd. I'm crossing my fingers I'm wrong about Utah, though.

Please provide comments, corrections, and suggestions. I made a substantial edit to this post wrt the Hayward trade, so that explains why the first number of comments might not seem to make sense. Thank you to BeasieBong for the Real Gm link.

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2nd rounders from OK

“the Thunder will keep the picks if they are 46-60 in the 2012 and 2013 drafts. The Thunder must send them to Minnesota if they are 30-45. " per the beat writer for the Thunder, which jibes with what I remember as well.

by rickyp on Jan 23, 2012 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

In other words

We got nothing. Not that I mind “nothing” so much as I mind Kahn not being up front about it.

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by twinstalker on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Another comment

Jerry Zgoda’s one job, from what I can tell, is to follow the Wolves. Did he not ask for or provide this information?

Also, I assume the OKC beat writer didn’t mix up 30-45 (sic) with 46-60.

You can't...dust...for vomit.

by twinstalker on Jan 23, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

In fairness, I think Jerry may have mentioned the specifics on his blog too

but frankly, 99% of the people who read the sports don’t care about the protection details on future 2nd round draft picks for the local bad NBA team. Even the OKC guy only mentioned it as a response, on his blog, to a specific question.

by rickyp on Jan 23, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I've gone back to Jerry's posts and not found it

At least in the blog entries with Lazar+Hayward+trade+zgoda

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by twinstalker on Jan 23, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Is this the first time ever...

… that I have seen reverse pick protection in place? (I.e., “If we’re good, we keep the picks; if we suck, we give the picks up.”) Maybe I’m forgetting something here, but that arrangement seems odd enough to warrant double-checking.

by TheH on Jan 23, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

How do you almost guarantee that you give up nothing?

When you inarguably have one of the top five teams, I suppose that’s how. Even if Durant missed all next season, I suspect they wouldn’t get in the top half.

You can't...dust...for vomit.

by twinstalker on Jan 23, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I think DM may have gotten that mixed up

I remember that we get the 2012 no matter what, and if the 2012 is 46-60, we get the 2013 pick as well. If the 2012 pick is 31-45, then we don’t get the 2013 pick.

Per Real GM

It kinda vibes with what TheH says above.

by BeasleBong on Jan 23, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps I should reserve judgment on David Kahn

Until I know the facts. Probably a good policy anyway in life. Real GM states that if it’s 47-60 in 2012, Minnesota receives OKC’s 2nd in 2013.

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by twinstalker on Jan 23, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

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