Timberwolves, Kevin Love agree to 4-year, $62M deal
Phew!
(Editor's note: This may or may not have actually happened. Zgoda and AP Guy both say there is no deal yet.)
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Awesome
So let’s see here, this is probably better than the 5 year deal, right? This way we can get Ricky signed easier and stuff?
Contract people, please help!
90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic
Rubio's signed for four years, so his contract comes up a year earlier than Love
He’ll be a RFA after four years so salary won’t really be a problem, especially if Darko or somebody gets amnestied.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
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by doubleteapot on Jan 24, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
Does Love's next contract, if he ends up wanting to stay here, become a problem then?
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Well Love will become a FA after this contract is up
If you can build a good team around him (including a center who can defend) then he’ll probably stay. It won’t be a problem from a salary cap perspective, though. Still, it’s questionable how good this team can be without a SG or SF and no first round draft pick this year. Beasley is probably the best SF you have, and that’s not saying a lot.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jan 24, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
Well, 4 years is a bit of time, so hopefully they can get some pieces before he's out of here...
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
Larry Bird exception
I believe he would fall under this rule. He could sign a five year contract and Wolves could exceed the cap.
by Stabby Stabby on Jan 24, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
Awesome
90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
Darko's contract has a partial guarantee and a team option for 2013/14, I believe.
He wouldn’t need to be amnestied; Rubio’s QA year proper would be two years after the latest end of Darko Milicic’s current deal.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
if they don't amnesty Darko
Kahn needs to be bitchslapped. that guy is only good for a handful of games a season
Bromz
by punkindrublic on Jan 25, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
Next up: signing Beasley to a max deal
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
lol
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by NorthernStar on Jan 24, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Crisis averted.
A big kudos to David Kahn and Glen Taylor on this one.
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Wow!
Raises the question of whether we wish we had locked him up for the five years, but this seems (if it’s true) like this is the best case scenario for the franchise! Word up!!
That is a shitton of money
which we could have used to tie up Darko for the next decade
SONOFABITCH
by Dr_Defecate on Jan 24, 2012 7:41 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Tie up Darko for the next decade
This may be the ace up Adelman’s sleeve when it comes to improving our offensive efficiency. Either that or just handcuff him to the bench.
by I.M. Fletcher on Jan 24, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Ain't that the shits!
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 24, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
Jokes
sometimes you get them and move on with your life. Other times you post pointless photos on an internet blog.
I still can't believe this photo
I don’t envy our troops and am grateful they do what they do.
Are we going to have enough cap space to pick up Ndudi Ebi?
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Best possible outcome
I like the 4 yrs vs 5. Saves the 5 year deal for Rubio or another player on the horizon. Now, start filling out the roster.
good deal
to think we got him on a cheaper contract that rudy gay signed last year
Yay!!! So relieved! At this point I didn’t care if it was 4 or 5 years — I just wanted him to sign something.
Dwight or Devin?
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
This makes me happy.
I’m expecting to start hearing a lot of D-Will trade rumors starting now. I like D-Will, but with Love locked up for four years, it doesn’t make sense to keep him. It limits what the Wolves can do and it hurts Williams.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
Kahn needs at least 2 years
to see if D-Will can play SG.
Rubios - "Clinically PROVEN to Help Reduce Suckiness"
Man, I must be out of my head
The first four times I read your post I was thinking, “What does Deron Williams have to do with Kevin Love’s contract.”
by I.M. Fletcher on Jan 24, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
My only concern is what we can legitimately get for Derrick Williams.
I understand that Adelman doesn’t want to play him at the three, and it is pointless to keep him around, but what can we honestly get for him? I don’t see a situation where we can a player who can make an immediate impact in a big way.
by Darth Paxton on Jan 24, 2012 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
Try to get a draft pick out of him or something
I’m sure someone late in the first round would be willing to trade a first rounder for Williams
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jan 24, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Do we really wanna give him up for a late 1st rounder?
I’d rather keep him on the bench for that.
by Darth Paxton on Jan 24, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
There are bigger holes to fill
and it’s better to trade him now while his trade value is high, since he won’t be playing big minutes anyways
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jan 24, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
Ummmm, there's sarcasm here
If we were giving him up for even a mid 1st rounder, we would have taken someone different in the first place.
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by twinstalker on Jan 24, 2012 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
I can see the Wolves
using him in a backup role behind Love and whomever plays the three (minimally, at least) while looking for an optimal trade. The only pressure on making a quick move would be to fill holes now and to get Derrick into a better situation sooner.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
Call me a pessimist, but the *other* pressure point would be...
to trade him before the bloom is off the rose. His value may be highest now.
On the other hand,
after this anemic start to the season, we might need to put some bloom on the rose.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, no doubt.
I’m not entrenched on any of this. Just speculating and playing devil’s advocate.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
ehhh
The bloom being off the rose take I don’t think is a great one:
1.) He already has proven he is capable of being a productive NBA player when he plays (15 PER, .100 WS/48 player)
2.) He is being a productive NBA player while playing with sporadic playing time and while working off the rookie dust
so he’s effective even though he looks a little slow to the NBA speed right now. People always say the biggest adjustment is the speed of the pro’s and I just can’t imagine a scenario where he gets up to speed and gets worse right? Maybe he never gets up too speed, but he would still be a moderately effective baller which is what he currently is.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
341 minutes of NBA experience.
That isn’t enough to convince me (PER now down to 14.4 and WS/48 is .093…..wondering if that’s because of last night ;).
This will not be a productive argument. In any case, I think you’ll get you wish to see what happens in Minny with Williams.
For a rookie after 15 games
that is not bad.
(i kept looking for the second “)”, but I was tricked by the smiley face)
Yeah I'm not even saying he's untradable
just shop with caution. Williams could be pretty good
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 24, 2012 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
I think
The list is rookies over the last three years who have qualified for the MPG leaderboard posting the kind of numbers Williams has. All of the guys on the list help teams win games.
by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 24, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
I posted this on a seperate thread
I’ll re-post it hear (I realize I tend to repeat opinions a lot, apologize) but this is kind of my stance on Williams and I think there is a little something too it…but it’s my take so of course I like it
My problem with figuring out Williams is I agree he isn’t a 3 in the most natural sense…but I don’t see anyway someone can watch him play basketball and be like "he’s a four" the guy is more comfortable facing up and on the perimeter than he is in the post (unless he’s posting up a 3) and it actually appears to me that he is more comfortable defensively guarding a more perimeter oriented player than he is a low post guy.
I was told once by SnP about Kevin Love that I need to just accept the fact that he is a weird sort of superstar, and not one in the more normal sense but he is a superstar non-the-less. And I actually agree with that and think it’s an excellent take.
I wonder if we need to start accepting Williams for who he is an not criticizing him for who he isn’t. He’s just a player with an odd game that isn’t very comparable. He’s a pure scorer in the body of an averaged sized PF with very good but not elite-level athleticism. I’ve always felt maybe a more accurate comparison might be a bigger Corey Maggette with a better shot and good head on his shoulders….but again it’s not a great comp cause there just haven’t been to many guys in his mold.
If he goes to a team to play 4 that team (or us if we end up having to move Love) is going to have to adjust it’s roster anyway to compensate for the fact that Williams isn’t a true 4 either….but if he’s productive and can score he is absolutely worth the trouble of adjusting the roster.
As long as he doesn’t bust (which it doesn’t appear he is going to) can’t hurt to figure out what we got, whether he can do enough to fill the 3 spot on the team even if that isn’t exactly the kind of player he is.
I don’t know. Maybe he will not be a career Wolf…but if he continues to produce….the smartest money might be spending it on players that can compliment Williams/Love/Rubio and making that trio work
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 24, 2012 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
I think the biggest problem
is that Williams is so bulky, he lacks the sort of speed required to effectively guard 3s. You are who you can guard. That makes him a 4 against most guys. Since the Wolves’ best player is also a 4, Williams isn’t going to see much more than back up minutes on this roster, as it currently sits, and he is one of our few assets that could potentially be exchanged for a more vital piece. A guy getting back up minutes behind Love does little to fill the gaping holes they have on the wings.
Bringing honor to uncle rico's family since 2011.
Here's a good question
If we had drafted Steph Curry….what would be the long-term plan?
Can Curry guard 2’s?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 24, 2012 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
and would we trade him
just because he and Rubio defensively might not be a match made in heaven?
Or do we just acquire a 3 and a 5 that make the thing work?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 24, 2012 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
I think you and I are very different
and that’s part of the reason I rarely respond to your posts.
You really seem to enjoy “if”, where I tend to deal in “is”.
They didn’t draft Curry. Imaginary situations are of no value in this context.
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by JMGrady on Jan 24, 2012 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But that doesn't stop
a legion of CHers from bitching Kahn out of town at every chance they get for passing on Curry….
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not one of them.
Bringing honor to uncle rico's family since 2011.
then why are you
waxing hypothetically about a Williams trade when the fact of the matter is we have a very talented guy who appears to be able to score points in a form that we don’t have (driving) outside of him and theoretically Beasley?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 24, 2012 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Where, exactly, did I wax hypothetical?
I only expressed my view on Williams’ place on the roster.
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The word trade isn't even in my post.
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he is one of our few assets that could potentially be exchanged for a more vital piec
you did not use the word trade. But you did both use the word “exchange” and “potentially”
I like to deal with “is” and not “ifs” JMGrady. What “is” is we have a very talented player that can score points in away no one else on our roster really can. What is an “if” is this “potential” “exchange” you are talking about where we might have the potential to trade for a vital piece
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 24, 2012 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
I agree, he is very talented.
What he’s not is a great roster fit and like it or not, one of the few assets other teams may covet. I’m not sold on trading him, but surely you can see that?
I’ve read your various trade suggestions. Clearly you see the need for a plus two-guard.
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As to If...
If he goes to a team to play 4 that team (or us if we end up having to move Love) is going to have to adjust it’s roster anyway to compensate for the fact that Williams isn’t a true 4 either….but if he’s productive and can score he is absolutely worth the trouble of adjusting the roster.
If we had drafted Steph Curry….what would be the long-term plan?
Bringing honor to uncle rico's family since 2011.
You know I was teasing you right?
My point with Williams though was, say he goes to a team where he can play the 4 position….that team is going to have to do something to compensate for the fact that he doesn’t really play the 4 either…he plays around the perimeter, drives to the hoop and shoots threes….
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 24, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
I have no sense of humor I am aware of.
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by JMGrady on Jan 24, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
always the wet blanket
at our clan reunions
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
Yeah I do
I’m not convinced there is a trade out there for Williams though that makes sense.
Outside of Eric Gordon.
I know the “non-potential” crowd hates this suggestion….but honestly my opinion is trading into the draft is probably both the cheapest way and possibly the best way to get a quality two guard.
the draft is stacked all around, but most importantly it is stacked with 2 guards and post players. Post players because big guys always go early meaning the middle of the draft is going to be loaded with 2 guards that would go top 6 in a normal draft.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 24, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
I don't speculate with trades
because we only have an outsider’s perspective and guesswork.
I do believe in building through the draft, but I think a large part of the CH community is tired of waiting. We’ve had this rush of excitement this season, because of the Unicorn and Love’s fitful dominance.
It’s still painfully clear that the team is a player or two short of making the playoffs. That’s why a guy like Batum is so valued, too. Proven player, still young, perfect complement to the other two guys.
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I would listen too Batum
I don’t blindly say don’t trade Williams….I think the kid has talent and will be able to do the exact kind of things we need, I would prefer to make it work with him as he is already on the roster.
However, Batum is a guy that appears to be a very good fit in Minnsota. I’ve never been overly impressed watching him play….but the problem may ultimately be that he really hasn’t played in POR. His numbers look great and he certainly has every bit of the athletic upside Williams has if not more.
My only concern with Batum is that if he stays in POR there is no chance he signs an extension….why not just wait him out and sign him to a big offer sheet in the summer and then use Williams to get a 2 guard or a center?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Yeah,
I don’t spend much time in draft posts or trade posts for just that reason. Hypotheticals just don’t interest me.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
I don't get trade posts
Way, way too hypothetical…there’s no point in talking about them because no one is even in the FO. I guess some people just find them interesting.
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
It's a way to kill time.
Just like anything else sports-related. It’s just one of those things that doesn’t captivate me.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
"Is this possible?"
“Well, the fans of another website say it could work. Get to it, GM!”
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
GMs, plural.
It’s always best if you stack a five-team deal up like a house of cards before resorting to your quotes above.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
Rubio can guard 2s
I think those two would be a just-fine backcourt defensively, and so absotively killer on O that it wouldn’t really matter if they couldn’t guard anyone.
Also
I don’t really know what you are watching, and hell I could be wrong…to me it appears like he is much better guarding a perimeter player than a post player. It might be because he has a reasonably long wing span and pretty good athleticism that guarding the more passive player is something he can handle just fine and that tends to be someone that doesn’t sit in the post….but he’s never looked good against post players.
Which goes back to my point. He might not be a natural 3….but I don’t know what Williams you are watching that suggests he is a true 4 either.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 24, 2012 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
I remember we were all
Universally it seemed (I won’t speak for you, but I don’t really remember too many people that were against this) for moving Al Jefferson to make room for Kevin Love because the two couldn’t “play together” and we traded Jefferson when his value was at it’s lowest and got very little out of the deal.
2 years later Big Al and a guy named Paul Milsap…who is actually shorter than Love and worse on defense are anchoring a team that is looking like they are playoff bound. Not only that but they don’t even really have much to speak of on the wing in terms of the so-called perimeter defense that theoretically could make it all possible.
Big Al and Love could have worked, maybe you gotta get creative, sure…but that’s why we pay a coach 5 million dollars a year. Right?
I think, unless it’s a clear win for us, trading Williams is a very questionable at best move to make.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Rule #1 of using season finder..
never post player comparisons, where the player of interest has the lowest WS of all the players on the list. It is extremely misleading.
This, should give a much more honest bearing of where Derrick Williams fits.
Well
I was actually a little confused when I lookd Derrick up on BR after the Houston game, cause I remember him having a .120 WS/48 before that….Maybe the Houston game was that bad for him. Idk, and I also don’t know exactly what factors into WS/48 but I know .120 is good.
His worst quarter was the fourth quarter when ironically (sounds douchey lol…..my bad but it’s funny) was the quarter when he was asked to play it predominantly at PF. My opinion at least.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Whatever it was...
it isn’t. You can’t really do it like that. Hell, I think Markieff was over 0.2 at some point, and Jon Leuer was over 0.3.
I won’t make much of a judgement until the year is out, but his current status is among the guys in that list.
I'll give you that
but his stats, even as they stand are among the guys in the first list too. He was on the bottom end of most of them, sure, but as they currently stand he was also a fit on that first list as well.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
If you make a list of the top 2,000 basketball players in the US
Lebron James and Jonny Flynn are on the same list
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
by littleboxes on Jan 25, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
D'okay
there were 15 players on the list, all of which Williams stats were in the same wheelhouse of, lower end yes
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 25, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
not just lower end....
the bottom (at least overall). Some of them like Blake, aren’t even close. That creates an extremely distorted perspective of where he stands.
by vjl110 on Jan 25, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't give in VJ
He can type more words than you.
Shut up
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
That is odd take
from you. Not that that is a bad thing….but may I ask why you think that?
I’m ultra pro keeping him even with this news
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I just think they'll stick with the high pick
and hope he’s a breakout player. I didn’t say I want them to keep him.
No I get that
I was wondering if you had some source or something haha
Just from you I know your overall “stance” on it and I read your comment and thought that seemed not consistent with your opinion….but if that’s just the gut feeling you have that’s cool. Hope it’s true unless someone blows the doors down for him
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I just don't know if a trade exists
that makes it worth it right now. That’s my gut. I would never say he’s untradeable…it just seems like a trade that is worth doing probably doesn’t exist right this second….but it could exist in the future.
Eric Gordon theoretically makes sense….but I doubt that is a practical trade and he’s a RFA (or looking like he will be one) I’m not opposed to just waiting that mess out and maybe trying to sign him as opposed to trading Williams for him.
Williams is an odd enough player that fortunately/unfortunately for the Wolves he’s probably gonna have to prove himself before the real good deal come through. He’s pure scorer with very good but not elite athleticism in the body of an average (at best) PF and is more comfortable slashing and shooting three pointers than he is posting up. There is a very valuable NBA player in there if he can put his skills together, but he’s gonna have to earn it.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
keep d-will, trade beasley and wes johnson or somebody proven
beasley is good, butr only in spurts. we need a SG or a center worth a damn
Bromz
by punkindrublic on Jan 25, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
"sports"
Fixed it for ya
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 25, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
I’m bored!
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 25, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
I think Love should sit out tomorrow's game.
I don’t want him to get mauered so soon.
Rubios - "Clinically PROVEN to Help Reduce Suckiness"
For all the ripping Mauer took
He’s a freaking catcher, what did people expect?
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
Ya
What Mauer does offensively is incredible as a catcher. People seem to forget that. They think that all catchers produce like 3B men. Not so. Also – Mauer’s actually pretty durable for a catcher. Can’t win for trying, I guess.
by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 24, 2012 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
When Mauer hits a game winning home run, drops the bat, and extends his arms to the masses we can worry about their similarities.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 24, 2012 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
I like this
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 24, 2012 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
Also,
I’m enjoying watching the Heat struggle vs. the Cavs.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
Cavs taking the Heat to the wire.
(three point game with three to go)
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Mario Chalmers
essentially seals the game for the Heat, but Bosh carried the team.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
lol Zgoda is nowhere to be heard
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
Good news
now can we all agree to stop freaking out about the immediacy of winning now?
Not that we should try to win every game, but let’s stop the trade Williams for a quality wing. We can trade Williams for a young, already productive wing or center (JaVale McGee is about as bad as I would go….and maybe not even that) but let’s let RA and Co now do their job to make good moves for the longevity of the KLove era and not mortgage everything to be an 8th seed.
We still might make the 8th seed without mortgaging Williams anyways…seems to soon to me
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 24, 2012 8:04 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Edit
Not that we shouldn’t try to win every game
we should try to make the playoffs obviously, point of the post was to only trade Williams for the right player and if that trade doesn’t exist than hold off on it.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Give this man a hamburger
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
try to stay away from too much red meat
every once and awhile it’s good. too much can be too much though
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Wow!
Voodoo, forgive me for poking you for the frequency of your trade ideas. Is Brad Beal growing a beard?
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 24, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
Last night...
Williams failed at posting about Kevin Martin.
When matched up against PFs, he failed to dribble drive on them.
So, his value is in doing… what?
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McGee and Randolph in the frontcourt together.
I hope you cringed in pain thinking about that.
Its his destiny...to be traded to the Wizards.
Starting line up: John Wall, Nick Young, Jan Vesely, Anthony Randolph, JaVale McGee. Randy Wittman, Head Coach. Yes.
Thanks for posting.
I have been obsessively checking this site and hoopshype looking for this news all day.
Zgoda via Twitter! Uh-Oh!
“I’ve done some checking w/ people I trust on report that Love has agreed to 4-yr, $62M and I have no indication right now that it’s true…”
Zgoda
was too busy checking his sources to tweet the news.
Rubios - "Clinically PROVEN to Help Reduce Suckiness"
He mad
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'd feel better
if another source was reporting this, but so far Richardson is on his own as far as I can tell.
I agree
It’s disconcerting that nobody else will even mention it on other sites.
"Brian Cardinal left Purdue being the only Boilermaker to receive both the "Mr. Hustle" Award and the "Courage" Award four years in a row"
You broke the news on CH. Are you backing off of your own story?
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This is gonna be everywhere in the news tomorrow, and a permanent blemish to his reputation
“MADISON DAN? MORE LIKE MADISON SHAM”
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
The whole Japanese teenage girl thing could become an international scandal.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 24, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't it just a cat?
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jan 24, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
Just saw it on ESPN's bottom line crawl.
They didn’t give the number, but said sources are reporting 4-year deal.
Hoopshype reports
same source though (Ray Richardson)
by Stabby Stabby on Jan 24, 2012 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
Bout damn time...
Also hoping that Batum doesn’t sign an extension, the Blazers panic and trade us Batum for anyone but Love and Rubio.
they do need a backup point.....
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
It's not like we can afford to lose Luke at the moment
(I mean with Barea out), but wouldn’t that be awesome karma for the Wolves if they traded him that close to home so he could better take care of his ailing kid?
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Haha
if we can trade Luke for Batum I think we can worry about our back up point problems later
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Houston would probably give us Jonny back for a third round draft pick.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 24, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, come on . . .
Pek isn’t their GM. Morey can count to three (and know that two is less than three).
/I keed I keed.
//don’thurtmepek
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
I won't tell you how many times I read that,
But I want you to know that when I finally caught on I laughed really hard.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 25, 2012 8:32 AM CST up reply actions
that would be very cool though
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I hope they're okay
I don’t recall any updates past the original report of his newborns being in bad shape
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Last I read they were better,
but one still has some issues.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Luke's been classy, and quiet, about the entire experience.
He didn’t even really talk about at any length at all it until media day, did he?
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
Batum for Wes straight up!
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
If we trade Luke for Batum
Maybe we could get Jonny Flynn back.
I was told he and Rubio could play together.
Batum for Williams?
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jan 24, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
What's the deal with batum?
disclaimer, I haven’t watched him live so this is all just internet stats..
He seems totally average, if ever so slightly above. But he plays SF, which I think currently belongs to dwill, rebounds marginally, doesn’t seem to have a significant defensive presense…
And is gettable why?
Efficiency
.575% TS, hits threes at or above league average (36 .8% career, 40% this season). Plus in ORTG (117 career, 112 this year) and DRTG (107 career, 101 this year), doesn’t turn the ball over (9% of his possessions end in turnovers.
Bringing honor to uncle rico's family since 2011.
Also above average in WS/48.
Bringing honor to uncle rico's family since 2011.
the WS/48 is what stands out the most
I actually don’t know entirely what goes into WS/48, but I know anything over .150 is essentially just short of All Star production if not All-Star production.
I’ve never been overly impressed with Batum when I’ve watched him, but if the numbers don’t lie they don’t lie
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 24, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
He also just turned 23 and has never been below average despite being in the league since he was 19. His usage has crept up every year, and he’s getting to the stripe more often now. He sweeps the 4 factors as a small forward, and can guard mulitple positions. And he’s a nice 3-point shooter and a transition terror, making him an ideal wing with Rubio.
He might become available because Portland’s stacked on the wing and have the uncertainty of Gerald Wallace’s player option. Part of Batum’s hesitation to sign (we’re told) is he wants more minutes.
I think we could help him
with the minutes part.
by Madison Dan on Jan 24, 2012 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe more than he'd like.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
Any way to turn this into a 3 way deal
Luke and Williams to Portland
Smith to Memphis
Mayo and Batum to MN
I’m not sure what the deal is with Mayo but he’s certainly been getting his minutes so I’m not entirely buying that Memphis wants to move him but I feel like Luke + Derick is slightly too much for Batum (though I would do it if nothing else is available) and in the interest of maximizing our assets I was wondering if we could use it as an opportunity to get Mayo as well. Once again the other problem with this is that we don’t need Williams because we have Love but we’re trying to deal him to a team with LMA…
I really want to get Elliot Williams from POR
throw him into any deal involving them. Guy was very good scorer in college and has excellent 2 guard size
Here’s again my problem with this. Wouldn’t POR be trading for Williams knowing full well that to play him he’s gonna have to play SF for them? Which would then mean they think he could eventually do it (maybe next year etc)? Que JMcgrady and my “if” statements but I don’t know what use POR would have for Williams unless they think he and Aldridge can be a 4/5 or 3/4 combo and if that is the case…why the hell don’t we just have Williams and Love be our 4/5 or 3/4 combo?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 25, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
The only way I see it working
is if they think he can be a 3/4 tweener. Then he can get 30mpg by backing up both Wallace and LMA.
I got you
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6ugdddp
Portland gets both our protected picks as well
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 25, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Also if I were running POR this would be the move to make
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7pea6vn
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 25, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
First one was complex
second one was if I were POR I’d just trade Batum for Omer Asik straight up
Asik is the bomb and even if he isn’t as good as Batum the contracts match up and they get a young center to build around (as Camby is getting old) and it allows them to get their best players on the floor
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I'd be okayish with it
His ws/48 is pretty high, but other than that he seems to rate out as solid but not spectacular.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/batumni01.html
I think he’s a fine player….maybe a fine deal for Williams idk…but he’s never really popped my eyes open or anything with his play.
Why would it be “amazing?” just cause he’s more of a natural small forward and good? Or is he an under utilized gem to unearth?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 24, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
In any case
I think the Wolves best play would be to wait out Batum/Hibbert/McGee/Asik/Gordon in free agency…see if they can get one, see what the draft pays out and THEN moving Williams for whatever positions you can’t fill in free-agencey/draft
If Love signs the deal, the urgency goes down completely to trade Williams mid-season, which is probably best.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 24, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
I think if Love signs the deal
We become more active in moving Williams. I think he’s the FO’s backup plan at PF and he becomes a trade chip once Love is locked up. Consider a 3/4 rotation of Batum + Love with Tolliver backing up both (or Martel at the 3 if we don’t have him playing the 2 by necessity).
I agree it makes Williams more "movable"
I just don’t see why it makes it something that has to happen mid-season?
I don’t know that there are any 2 guards out there that we could get that make a trade worth it. Right?
but I do feel the draft is the right place to look at for a 2 guard, since it’s pretty staked with good options. I would wait the summer out, see if you can make any noise in the draft or free-agencey (say we get Asik and Brad Beal…good summer) and then you can look into moving Williams or keep him as the Lamar Odom type…we’d have more leverage that way as we wouldn’t be desperate to HAVE to get a wing or a center we could go either way or we could keep the guy.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 25, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
If you read it on the Internet it must be true right? #sarcasm
Kevin Love twitter
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
yeah that looks awful
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Damn you Twitter
Damn you!
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
Don't overreact either way, here people.
Kevin Love’s not doing it either.
Players “get” this stuff. It’s a negotiation. They hire people to go through the wringer for them, negotiating on their behalf.
Be calm.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
If players "got" this stuff,
then we wouldn’t read so many stories about players getting their feelings hurt. Look at Lamar Odom. Or Shaq. I just read in his book that, at the last moment, the Magic were willing to match the Laker’s offer. But, by then, his feelings had been hurt because they valued Penny, their point guard, more. Sound familiar?
"Only God is an expert, Ernie."
This makes me sad.
Ugh. If this deal doesn’t get done, the FO is going to tell us it still will over the summer. That’ll either (1) be a complete lie [and Love will be on the block] or (2) mean that the rest of the season is a freaking “audition” for the team to see if it can keep Love. That would be such a shitty thing to do to the Unicorn (not to mention the rest of the team).
This is kind of my fear.
The main reason I am so interested on signing Love today or tomorrow is I kind of see it as a 2 for 1. If we jerk Love around- or Rubio thinks we did- I’m afraid we will eventually lose him too.
I wasn't even thinking that far down the road...
I just don’t want this to destroy or threaten Ricky’s progress or alegria (sp?)
Love Tweet
If you read it on the Internet it must be true right? #sarcasm
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Talks are ongoing between Wolves and Love. There could eventually be a deal, but nothing as of yet.
by Darth Paxton on Jan 24, 2012 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
How the hell does a deal not get done
What the hell is so hard. He is your best player. Give him the deal!
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
This is going to give me multiple personality disorder.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
That only happens due to demonic possession.
Who’d be the demon here, David Kahn? He’s not that sort of a guy.
(This is actually true. The rash of MPD “diagnoses” occurring back into the 1990s was the result of “Christian Therapy” that had some pretty funny ideas about how to get insurance money.)
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
I know it's extremely rare and controversial...
but I don’t doubt that dissociative identity disorder (aka- multiple personality disorder) is real. The more people I meet who are victims of sustained childhood abuse (esp. sexual), the more I think one shouldn’t underestimate how much it can eff a person up. (My sample size is limited to people who are effed up, because they’re in the criminal justice system, but still).
That said, it was very popular in the late-‘80s and ’90s…You’d think it’s a lot more common than it actually is based on the media coverage and even novels where it was featured.
The whole "Troops for Trudy" and "Sybil" popular stories may have brought it to popular attention,
but in terms of actual diagnoses made, there is no comparison between the “Christian Therapy” centers of the 90s and any other setting.
I knew a woman who got referred there for marital counseling. She called, and an admitting therapist talked to her for a while…. They had her put her husband on the phone, and talked to him for five minutes…. And at the end of the call, they made their diagnosis. They described it as a sort of cross between demonic influence (no joke) and her having some confused ideas about women’s roles in life. (Guess which sort of roles women are supposed to have? It’s too easy. She was trying to lead her household, and it caused her identity to fracture. That was the essence of the diagnosis.)
This was a pretty major insurance scam. There was an organization outside of Chicago that really cleaned up on it.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
Yes.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Senor Amor's twitter:
Kevin Love @kevinlove
If you read it on the Internet it must be true right? #sarcasm
"I haven't gotten back from the future yet." - Be-Easy
Well, to be fair,
this would be very “Minnesota-sports” like to have a deal announced and then find out it is false.
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Exactly
At this rate, the trade will be announced tomorrow. (Love for Nene)
by Darth Paxton on Jan 24, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
Bo Outlaw?
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
Bruno Kirby!
(need to translate)
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
She's gotta be somebodies baby
Love’s gotta be somebodies only light, when he shines tonight
He’s gonna be somebody’s baby tonight (hopefully ours)
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Derek Fisher?
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
Love for Harden
It’s the trade that is both plausible and would really help if we do indeed have to trade Love
Just saying haha.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Yeah! If Love is leaving, I'm in on Love for Harden and Ibaka.
by Darth Paxton on Jan 24, 2012 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
let's be real though
Let’s keep the guy we got
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
let's be real though
i’mma put a foot in you ass
throw in Durant or I'm not biting
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'd do that trade, but only if OKC throws in Kevin Durant and we throw in
Wesley Johnson and Michael Beasley.
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Suggestion
We may have to change the title of this thread to some sort of Kevin Love extension open thread. This might turn out to be a wild ride over the next 24 hours.
Marc Stein ESPN Twitter
Wolves have been unwilling to budge from four-year, $62M offer to Love, who’s eligible for same five-year, $80M deal Westbrook got from OKC
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
wtf?
if that ends up being the deal breaker….. just wow
If I had to throw out a guess, they want Love and Rubio to be free agents in different years so they can't walk together.
They’ve clearly shown that they’re bonding on and off the court. The Timberwolves appear to be using that to keep them together in Minnesota. Call me crazy, but I like this move, unless it ends up being a deal breaker.
by Darth Paxton on Jan 24, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
Give the man
the contract he wants. Worrying about what happens 3 years down the road with Ricky is silly. There’s still 3 years to get that figured out.
no kidding
good basketball for 5 years > good basketball for four.
Well, of course if they can get that to work it would be optimal
But how do we know Ricky will stay here, and hell, you just NEED to get KLove signed.
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
WHAT THE ****
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah this is getting stupid
What’s even the difference Wolves? Why not just lock the G up for an extra year, what difference does it make?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
For some reason I still have a feeling that Kahn does not understand how good Love is
Just like Rambis didn’t when he had him on the bench. He has yet to hit his prime and is already one of the best players in the league! WTF!
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
Rubio is interested too
Ricky Rubio @rickyrubio9
@kevinlove is it true? Tell me tell me!!!
"I haven't gotten back from the future yet." - Be-Easy
Uh...
Isn’t Ricky, like, right down the hotel hallway from him?
Go get us an answer, Unicorn.
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Ricky doesn't stay in hotels.
He sleeps on a cloud made out of the frozen tears of all the point guards he’s destroyed over the years.
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by TimAllen on Jan 24, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
That SI article did say that he is shy
Maybe he only communicates with his teammates through his computer
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
They're probably sitting accross the table from each other checking their messages.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 24, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
Sources:
Kevin Love traded for Corey Brewer
Yea I just looked at K Love’s twitter. :(
by MychalShannon1 on Jan 24, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
maybe mchale will be the first to tweet kloves signing
by illwafer on Jan 24, 2012 8:45 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd for karma.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Pooh Richardson is no longer the most disappointing Richardson in Wolves history
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Hurry the f up Kahn, this isn't rocket science
Comment: When dude follows breakout year by losing weight, playing better AND luring Adelman to town, he’s probably your “designated player” – Marc Stein
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
by GWST11 on Jan 24, 2012 8:47 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Marc Stein for GM
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Trade Kahn
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
2nd round pick and cash?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
No value.
We couldn’t even get Jonny Flynn for him at this point.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
cash considerations
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Bag-o-chips considerations.
And brand-name protected.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Harold Minor....
….rookie card. Upper Deck Platinum Series.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Greg Minor. Fleer.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
Love that caption. He "stayed fresh enough"
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
How many bags-o-chips
Anything less than one and I’m not buying
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
I hope Kevin's affection for Ricky and Adelman
outweighs his feelings of revulsion for whomever is responsible for the lack of a deal here.
(Going with the Stein line of thinking that it’s not done b/c they haven’t offered the full 5-yr. max)
I have to think he loves Adelman/Rubio
But damn, I would hate Kahn so much if I were him or anyone else on that team
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
Ray Richardson
just reported Kahn has signed a contract extension.
Rubios - "Clinically PROVEN to Help Reduce Suckiness"
by PoohRubio on Jan 24, 2012 8:55 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Max?
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
More Zgoda
Jerry Zgoda
@JerryZgoda
Following
Re: Love’s contract…everything I’ve heard all day had me thinking for 1st time it WON’T get done & I don’t think anything’s changed tonite
I vote for Madison Dan.
Hang ’em high!
Bringing honor to uncle rico's family since 2011.
Either
Richardson invented this story, in which case he should be slapped like Curly, or someone fed him bad info, in which case he should start slapping like Moe.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
How could it not get done, I don't get it
If it nears 11 PM or whatever and the deal is still up in the air, just freaking give Kevin what he wants. Do they seriously want to risk a player who has yet to hit his prime and is still one of the best in the league
90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
And the deadline is really 10pm our time, right?
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
Well if it *doesn't* get done,
I guess we’ll get to see if you really are a cult leader, SnP…#basketballblogjimjones ;)
Hey, is there any more Kool-Aid?
I feel funny. I think it’s dehydration.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
In one of my more dorkier pursuits..
….I write Kool Aid once a year asking them to bring back Oh Yeah! Orange Pineapple. Greatest drink in the history of mankind.
You can't even find it...
…on ebay anymore. At least they still have my Japanese hotcake Kit Kats.
(If you ever travel to Korea or Japan, it will ruin your sense of what is possible with candy.)
If that tastes like
what I think it tastes like, I’m going to Asia just for that.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
This stuff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royce%27
is awesome.
I'll be impressed if you find them
and let me know if you do. I bought them when I was connecting through Narita.
Having just tasted some Wasabi kit kat
Brought back from Thailand by an acquaintance, I can vouch for this. Oddly, it was better than the green tea version.
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
by Xand1 on Jan 25, 2012 10:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Is there a durian flavored KK by chance?
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
No
but if you have a septic tank out back, it would be easy enough to fake.
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now, now
durian is sublime.
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
I have to say I never tried it.
Two flavors that I dislike separately, so I’m pretty sure the combo wouldn’t work for me.
/notanormalvegetarian
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
I was always partial to HI-C's Ecto Cooler
And Hostess’ Turtle Pies.
Purplesaurus Rex!
I want to go out to a fancy restaurant with my wife and order that. I do things that get myself into trouble sometimes, like i just bought my first jumpsuit that I will wear tomorrow.
I'd rather they get him signed for 5 years than 4
But now it’s sounding like there may actually be a problem? How can you dither about this?
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 24, 2012 9:01 PM CST reply actions
And, as if to taunt us
Wayne Ellington is tweeting creepy pictures of Kevin Love in the ice tub? (Or WTF is that?)
That isn't real is it? It looks like they're photoshopping each other into a liquid nitrogen tank
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
I think we are in for some bad basketball tomorrow.
Rubios - "Clinically PROVEN to Help Reduce Suckiness"
I'm watching this thread instead of the SOTU.
I feel dirty.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
I wish there would be some sort of advanced stat line...
…for things suggested in a SOTU and them actually occurring. I wonder what the batting average is.
On a somewhat related note . . .
I was daydreaming earlier today, thinking about how often Wes Johnson is invisible on the court. Could we have a new stat that registers minutes played vs. minutes on the court?
“Wes Johnson scored a 43.7% MP/MC last night—a new high!”
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
Too complicated
-just count sightings/48
(guessing lower than rubio’s reb/game)
That would be awesome.
(Here I am a week later, still using the word “awesome” way too much . . .)
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
I just got done watching
The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo. On First Row. (kidding, but only literally)
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Swedish or American?
I’ve heard both are great, and they’re tempting me to break my “Don’t watch the movie until after reading the book” rule.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Noted.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
Um
I’m almost inclined to say watch the movies first.
The books are rich in detail and well done. The Swedish movies are pretty good but the American movie doesn’t hold up super well IF you know the entire plot in advance. But if you watched the movie then read the books, I think you’d still enjoy the books enormously. But mostly I think it should be a premium channel miniseries.
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I've only seen the Swedish ones
and they are pretty good. Read the books first.
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 24, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
Noted.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
I'm halfway through the second book
They’re pretty terrible as literature, but the plot is entertaining. I can see them possibly faring better as movies.
If you read them, imagine Blomkvist as the author’s idealized version of himself. There’s no doubt in my mind there’s at least a little truth to that theory… you should get at least a few chuckles out of it.
It really is amusing.
I like the part about him sleeping with multiple women and all of them being so understanding about his need to get around.
As for the series – 1st book was good, 2nd was ok and 3rd was boring.
I was pretty disappointed in the first book
So much so I didn’t bother to read the second book
Seemed like a weird middle-aged male fantasy that reflected on the author more than anything. But I’ve heard the second and third books are better.
Maybe I’m the only one, but I wish he had focused on the world of publishing exclusively, those were the only parts I found interesting and not coincidentally, those are the only parts the author knows anything about.
I tempted to guess that none of
lived through the ’60s, or have been to Sweden. Once you leave the United States of Fundamentalism, Europe is quite sexually liberated.
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Sure, Sweden may be very sexually liberated
But having most of the women he sleeps with fall in love with him is kind of laughable… and there’s a pretty great section in the second book describing why Berger (the married woman whose husband is totally OK with Blomkvist nailing her all the time) keeps going back to him – it’s his incredible talent for lovemaking.
Up to where I’ve read, every significant female character that he has contact with has seduced him. He’s apparently such a stud that he doesn’t even have to try, the women just rip their clothes off. Maybe it’s because word of his talented penis has spread.
There’s at least a little of the ol’ middle-aged fantasy going on for old Stieg.
by Dumbhead62 on Jan 25, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Again
I really don’t think you understand Swedish society or middle aged people who are sexually active.
Blomqvist is younger than me, but among men my age all you need to have a sex life is the rumor you go down (not a given among Boomers). You’re also forgetting that women become much more horny as they close in on menopause.
Seriously, nothing sexual in the book struck me as exploitative or credulity stretching. Hell, his reluctance at bedding Lizabeth owed more to stereotypes than it did reality.
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I call BS!
Fer crissakes, I spent the last decade in San Francisco. Sure, lots of sexually active folks, myself included. That doesn’t mean that hot babes of all ages are falling over each other to sleep with the publisher of a small magazine.
The book was very weird. It read like a poor mystery mixed with author wish fulfillment mixed with a magazine publishing thriller (not many in that genre) mixed with a brutal, sadistic sex/torture porn. I admittedly liked portions of it – but it is in no way a great feminist work of fiction by some noble guy trying to write the wrongs of sexism. If anything I felt slimy after reading it, like he used the very material he is trying to rail against in order to titillate the reader.
I think it is another example of “people are weird, just because someone directs a movie or writes a book doesn’t mean you should read or watch it, because they got their own issues and they might be spewing them all over the page…or screen”.
by Django Z on Jan 25, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
speaking of titillating
Larrson sexing Lisbeth up in the second book by getting her a boob job was bizarre, and really laughable.
I’ve enjoyed them so far, but it’s not good literature, it’s just trashy entertainment.
by Dumbhead62 on Jan 25, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
WHY?
do you insist on reading this as the sexual escapades of a middle aged man. Believe it or not, some middle aged men who are not married do get laid!
All the salient stuff you’re objecting to is in fact essential to the plot which is very much about sex and power. Would you have preferred that the protagonist be a virgin monk?
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Also
rereading this I do feel the need to make a speech. I am turning 59 in a couple of weeks and at 280 lbs am no prize. I’ve never been married but I have remained sexually active mostly because your average available woman (note that I did not say unmarried) is available because she’s being neglected. Intellectually, romantically, and emotionally.
Absolutely nothing about the sex in these books struck me as unbelievable. The world is a complicated place and people who have complicated relationships don’t advertise that fact. That doesn’t mean they’re not out there, it just means they’re not flaunting their polyamorous adventures in your face.
On Happy Days, the Fonz got all the attention but I always suspected that Pat Morita’s Arnold got laid almost as much as Fonzie.
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I loved the American version and saw it thrice in theaters.
I’m currently reading the first book and am halfway through. I’ve liked that, too, so reading the book after hasn’t seemed to harm my enjoyment. But either way would probably work.
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That kind of book isn't one I'd likely read,
since I don’t read much genre lit, but the movies seem intriguing. I’m torn.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
I think the Swedish movies are really well done.
(Haven’t seen the American). I am not a big fan of “women-being-victimized-for-our-entertainment” (which covers, frankly, at least a quarter of the shows on U.S. television?) and there were some parts that are incredibly hard to watch, but I think they were better than the books (or at least more nuanced/subtle?). I dunno—i think they’re worthwhile.
Yes, the American version also has at least two scenes
that are very difficult to watch.
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I only saw the first Swedish movie
and it was quite disturbing but very well done. I haven’t any reason to watch an American remake.
But you can't have a great revenge scene
unless there’s something to revenge. More to the point, the stuff you’re discussing is a metaphor for the failures of the Swedish nanny state. But yes, I gritted my teeth when she visited her nanny state handler and was glad that they didn’t go into any more detail than they did (letting it go with the closed door would have been fine for me as the subsequent scenes would have filled viewers in just fine.
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The book doesn't waste any time
condemning Swedish society. That’s all it took to hook this Norwegian American.
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If I haven't read the book
I never follow that rule. Ruins the movie experience. Movies have the right to stand on their own merits so if I want to see a movie based on the book and I haven’t read it yet I normally just roll with it and watch the movie.
I’ve read the Harry Potter books but only after the movies came out, I enjoy both a lot. Can’t imagine what the “true” harry potter fans have to go through, spending 15 dollars a movie just to hate it cause it doesn’t stay true to the book
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
As far as movies based on books go
those stayed pretty true. Sure there was editing but it wasn’t terrible.
the books are overrated
they’re okay, but there’s a lot better mystery/thriller stuff coming out of Nordic lands than these books.
I didn't understand the allure either.
That type of bad guy is all over the place, the story was pretty cliche… I’m always a fan of a strong female lead but a lot of the rest seemed done for shock value.
Apparently, this:
Is giving the GOP response address. Blergh.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
Illinois governor Mitch Daniels.
One of those doofuses who think states and countries can be run like corporations.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com had this to say
Nate Silver @fivethirtyeight Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Daniels could unite the Jon Huntsman and Tim Pawlenty coalitions into an unstoppable 7% of the Republican vote
(He is kind of bland.)
That's a pretty solid joke
for a numbers guy. Hahaha!
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
Wasn't Mitchy supposed to be their ideal candidate?
But then purportedly declined to run for POTUS in 2012 due to, like, family reasons?
Yeah, that would've been a bit awkward.
But hey, Newt’s gaining points with the “family values” crowd for defending his right to cheat on his sick wives.
Elizabeth didn't need that shit.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
But that show might work
if you add Herman Cain and then bring in Clarence Thomas as an arbiter.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
They can make a Captiol Hill version of Californication
with fat, ugly politicians.
I've never seen Californication . . .
but that sounds gross.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
shot on location
around the ol’ Fogie Bottoms
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
Who doesn't love a "fiscal conservative" who voted for nearly every budget-buster the Bush Administration proposed?
That goes for you as well, Paul Ryan.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
You're right, of course.
Those “I” states all look the same to me . . .
(Iowa, Indiana, Illinois, Istanbul . . .)
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
Makes me happy
that I rarely watch TV.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
C'mon people, we're biting our nails over a possible Klove signing
and your worried about the future of the country?
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 24, 2012 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Some people have their priorities all messed up!
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Or
based on a SIMS economy . . .
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by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
I always though he was a cartoon.
Which places him square in the middle of the GOP.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if it is emblematic of a party...
….so much as a political process that has turned into reality TV. It’s just like how ESPN has gone all talking head. People want this stuff.
Tell me more...
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People like to imagine...
…that political coverage isn’t a consumer product. It’s entertainment. People want to watch things they care about being argued over because it either makes them feel good about what they believe or good about being smarter than the poor saps who believe something else.
Just think of whatever "side" you happen to be on...
…as being either Skip Bayless or Tony Cornheiser and the other being Stephen A. Smith or Michael Wilbon (or some combo of the sorts). You end up liking the guy who most closely resembles your own takes and you get annoyed with the other guy. People consume these things for the same reason as anything else: to feel good about themselves/better than the other guy.
This is my exact take
on why people watch Jersey Shore.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
Just riffing on the "People want this stuff."
I view it similarly to Jerry Springer or Maury or whatever the hell else is on daytime TV. Appeal to the lowest common denominator. Recognize people don’t want to actually be educated and form their own opinions. They want to be spoon fed sound bites that can be regurgitated in the face of opposition.
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I cannot recommend this book enough
http://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0374275637
I don’t even think it has to be the lowest common denominator. We are hard wired for confirmation bias and we also put a lot of stock in what just happen and what we hear over and over and over (as opposed to things that happend a long time ago and/or rarely happen).
I’d disagree with the don’t-want-to-be-educated part of the take. We’re fairly hard wired for this kind of stuff to really resonate.
Also:
http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2011/05/19/agenda-setting-and-the-beltway-deficit-feedback-loop/
On the whole, I think the impact of politicians and the media on the public’s agenda is the larger of the two effects implicit in the feedback loop. In short, if you want to know what the public cares about, listen to what politicians and news outlets are talking about.
Here’s some more stuff that suggests our current system continues to be driven by how to capture market shares:
http://pressthink.org/2011/11/low-information-voters-and-the-political-press/
Last week, Ezra Klein, the Washington Post’s policy wonk who is rapidly becoming their most valuable journalist, brought to our attention a fascinating paper by six political scientists. It’s called A Theory of Parties. I am going to take a little time here to summarize what it says:
"Parties no longer compete to win elections by giving voters the policies voters want," they write. "Rather, as coalitions of intense policy demanders, they have their own agendas and aim to get voters to go along."
In the United States, at least, parties are not politicians of a similar mind banding together to win elections, but "coalitions of narrow interests in pursuit of policy demands" that aren’t necessarily in the interest of the broader public. They "only strive to please voters when necessary to win elections." But this constraint often doesn’t amount to much "due to voters’ lack of information about politics." The goal, sometimes conscious, sometimes not, is to "cede as little [influence] to voters as possible." The need to win elections occasionally requires "genuine responsiveness," but parties mainly push their own agendas and try to get voters to acquiesce.
It’s marketing.
I suppose it was only a matter of time
Marketing scares the crap out of me. Bill Hicks warned me long ago.
Lowest common denominator probably applies more to the Springer set, but I still believe in an anti-intellectualism present in the right and the Fox News crowd. I suppose the preying on fears is just more marketing analysis showing how effective it is on people.
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My grandparents watch Fox
I know they’re not stupid. They just respond well to things being framed in a certain way. This is no different than how certain types of soap are presented.
I don’t think people who watch Fox News are stupid. They certainly consume something I would never consume, but I don’t think they do so irrationally.
(That being said, there is a growing body of evidence to suggest that a great deal of misinformation does happen on that channel. I don’t think that this means viewers are stupid. They simply trust the news source and likely consume other news products that buttress the things they view on Fox.)
by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 24, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Helps that one of the mantras is..
..that they are the only real non ‘mainstream media’ news source.
Jon Stewart's been banging that gavel for years.
I read a paper a while back about a segment of the population that seems to crave and fall sway to authority moreso than others. Can’t remember the author’s name for the life of me. I’ve always wondered how that group correlates with the Fox News viewership.
I work in customer service, so I’m probably being colored by my experience, but I am pretty sure people are stupid, selfish, and widely incapable of self-evaluation.
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Heh, speaking of biases...
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Stanley Milgram's "Obedience to Authority" experiments???
by I.M. Fletcher on Jan 24, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
Radiolab just did a nice piece on that
There is alot more to the experiments than what we normally read about. Check out the clip.
Yes, the problem goes way deeper than marketing
Persuasion is simply a tool. It is in itself neither good nor bad.
Our entire system is designed to create obedient followers who do not question authority, and are easily controlled by fear or anger. I’m not judging anyone for that, including myself. It just is.
by Black Jack Davy on Jan 24, 2012 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
Panem et circenses, my friend.
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Pain
and circumcisions?%
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by Cynical Jason on Jan 25, 2012 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
Your Latin is getting really quite good.
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This is kind of a separate rant of mine
but related in a similar way to your Fox News take with your grandparents watching it.
I am largely apathetic to the political process, I have an opinion and I vote, but when it comes to people biatching about topics they know they will never A) either budge on or B) never get their opponent to budge on….gets boring. People demonize one side of the political process (on both sides) and nasty stuff gets said about people just because they happen to be Republican or Democrat.
Hate it. I’d largely say I have a more Liberal view on politics but nothing annoys me more than hearing ignorant democrats generalize an entire group of Republicans as bigots because a few of them happen to be gross bigots. My mom is a republican and she is one of the all-time greatest humans I know.
Sports are so much cooler
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 24, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a huge topic for me
because I left the Republican party when Nixon recruited the southern Democrats to join the GOP. The Dems had just barely gotten them under control when Nixon wooed them with dogwhistles and ratcheted down enforcement of the laws LBJ had just passed.
No, the GOP is not THE party of racism, but it is the party that welcomes racists and lets them bloviate without any factchecking. (If you want to argue with me, don’t start with Byrd, start with ANY top Republican criticizing another Republican for racism and good luck finding an example).
I don’t think of myself as a Democrat anymore, but I would slit my wrists before I’d return to a party that luxuriates in southern Democratic libels, and wallows in coded racism.
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by TMiss on Jan 25, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Fox is the new televangelism
They prey on the elderly and work their daily script which is written to piss people off, make them laugh (usually at their political enemies), and in general dehumanize the opposition. Their worst sin is telling their viewers what “liberals” think, just like Oral Roberts would tell the faithful how horrible Communist atheists were.
If you like having your chain jerked, that’s your network.
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I'm going to download that one to my Nook momentarily,
but I have to further recommend Daniel Dennet’s Darwin’s Dangerous Idea. In it he posits that there is an evolutionary advantage to simplifying the information we receive. It’s pretty compelling, and seems to support the notion that it’s easy for this kind of marketing to sway us only in certain directions.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
unfortunately
the entertainment value of the nomination race took a huge hit when the donald and bachmann dropped out. sad day
You're right,
but some of the public figures turn themselves into cartoons (Bush, Cheney, Palin, Bachmann, Cain, Gingrich, Biden) and others are cartooned by the opponents (Obama, Sotomayor, I’m trying to think of a conservative but nothing comes to mind . . . maybe Bob Dole).
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
From Bob's wiki
His father, who had moved the family to Russell (kansas) while Dole was still a toddler, made a living by running a small creamery. Among his father’s customers was the father of Arlen Specter who ran a junkyard in the town and used Dole’s scales to weigh junk.
by fanslaststand on Jan 24, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
That bullet
was long and athletic.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
I'll always love Norm MacDonald for his Bob Dole impression.
Especially the Real World bit. “Who ate Bob Dole’s peanut butter?”
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
A doofus?
I don’t care for Mitch but his approval rating is 60% plus in his home state.
Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way
Consider his home state . . .
Hahahah!
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 10:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Justified is a great show
gets a tad bit formulaic…which I guess is tough for most tv not too…but I looove me some Olyphant
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Anyone else see the Obama + Banks stuff earlier today?
LAME
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
I've stayed fairly neutral on Kahn
for the past 3 years….this would be the tipping point though for me
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
What's weird is how in that SI article, he actually seemed like he dealt with RR very well
This just sounds like a cluster****
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
Love wants Kahn fired before signing a deal.
#thingsIwantinthecontract
Rubios - "Clinically PROVEN to Help Reduce Suckiness"
Love would be a living legend in Minnesota
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Now Zgoda is twisting the knife...
comparing this to the Big Al negotiation. We all know Big Al took less than Jeff Schwartz wanted him to…. we also all know Kevin Love is a lot better than Big Al and more vital to our team, Jerr :(
WHAT DOES THE SMILEY MEAN
90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
That he's happy about it.
There’s a wink there, indicating a bit of tongue-in-cheekitude, unless I’m completely misreading it.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Just offer Love max money
What is the problem? He’s your best player. He is ridiculously efficient on offense and rebounds like crazy.
KAHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
You're a little late.
I was expecting the Star Trek 2 stupidity to start about 20 minutes ago. Still, thanks for showing up.
Bringing honor to uncle rico's family since 2011.
Someone had to do it
Just taking one for the team
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jan 24, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
That's what Ned Beatty said
in Deliverance.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Souie!
You are on a roll, CJ. I needed that chuckle.
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
I almost posted a picture,
but I figured that might have been too much . . .
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
Well, it's not a game thread...
but it probably wasn’t necessary in any case. The post was a fine example of ekphrasis.
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
When I was in high school, my guy friends at our "brother school"
(I went to an all-girls school) were shown Deliverance in health class, purportedly so they could understand rape. At the time, I thought that was pretty amusing. In retrospect…
It could also die a well-deserved death.
I, for one, would not mourn, and I am no fan of the man.
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We all know Love will get a contract offer to him.
What about Beasley and Randolph?
I hope no on both accounts
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Yes
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Eh
neither really does anything.
I’ve always been pretty high on Beasley…but dude has looked ridiculously awful this season. Neither is deserving of an extension. Not that their futures with the Wolves should be a slam dunk over…but to sign them to an extension seems a bit much
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 24, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
Beasley and Randolph are lottery picks.
So they’re next contract is in part tied to what they are guaranteed right now.
On both players, I’d place their market at around 4 years between 20 and 40 million guaranteed.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2012 8:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So did he sign or not?
I swear I read every comment and have no idea where things stand.
No one knows
90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
doubt it
if ricky really tweeted asking love if he signed, and love didn’t respond, i have trouble thinking he did. not that he won’t, but we all know how love likes to break news himself so i’ll throw out a theory that he hasn’t officially signed but will tomorrow and tweet it himself.
I don't know
If this will turn out to be much to do about nothing, but I am becoming more and more convinced that the max is on the table and the delay is on the Love side.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
That isn't what's being reported, though.
I’ve got to think it’s a game of chicken and the Wolves will fold tomorrow night and give him five years.
Nah
why would either side burn him? Just the usual little things wrapping up before everyone fesses up to it being a done deal.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
Source?
90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
Common sense
which interested party would benefit from burning a local sports writer?
Ray heard something solid, but whoever told him should have told him to hold off a little longer.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
I have this horrible feeling right now
Minnesota Sports Fear.
We better not hear news at midnight Love was traded for a sack of baseballs. Like seriously.
I know that feel bro
90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
Love is just loving all this mystery happening
I can just see him and Wayne sitting in the cold tub laughing at all the twitter confusion. Good for him he’s earned it.
I watch this team, and i care so much, simply because i can’t not. It’s just a part of who i am..
Such positive thought...
90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
so was that sarcastic?
I watch this team, and i care so much, simply because i can’t not. It’s just a part of who i am..
Sort of, its just you and Raysofhope posted really positively right in a row
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Actually...
Something to this.
Love does like himself some attention.
If the Timberwolves lose Kevin Love, they just get rid of the team
by RaysOfHope on Jan 24, 2012 10:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions
You'd think a fella with that name would be more optimistic.
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damn you beat me to it, and by a second no less!
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
His handle listens to a band you've probably never heard of.
They’re pretty obscure.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
Im just afraid that they will lose my favorite player
I hope they get this deal done, they are finally going in the right direction. Rubio and Love being the 2 main guys
by RaysOfHope on Jan 24, 2012 10:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I completely agree.
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Your handle seems fitting here
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 24, 2012 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
Im a Tampa Bay Rays fan
Also a diehard Timberwolves and Vikings fan as well
by RaysOfHope on Jan 24, 2012 10:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Weird combo.
But probably not much weirder than the ideas that the Wolves have die-hard fans . . .
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
I went to a game last year vs Memphis
Ive liked them since I started following basketball, I miss them going to the playoffs :(
by RaysOfHope on Jan 24, 2012 10:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ray Richardson (partial?) retraction...?
“Time to surface! Never said K-Love had signed. Said he WILL sign Wed. Reliable source gave up the numbers: 4 yrs, $62M. Lawyer(s) in Dallas”
Ray is not backing down
Time to surface! Never said K-Love had signed. Said he WILL sign Wed. Reliable source gave up the numbers: 4 yrs, $62M. Lawyer(s) in Dallas
and
@tyler479 You’ll be happy tomorrow. WTF, you know what they say: good things happen to those who wait, or don’t curse :)
90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic
I trust Ray's sourcing
Ray Richardson does good work. He later tweeted that he never said that Love has signed the contract. He said the lawyers are all down in Dallas (for a reason).
Per Ray:
“Time to surface! Never said K-Love had signed. Said he WILL sign Wed. Reliable source gave up the numbers: 4 yrs, $62M. Lawyer(s) in Dallas”
10:36 PM – 24 Jan 12
Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way
Whinny!
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 24, 2012 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
They couldn't even give him the five years.
What a disaster.
by forget on Jan 24, 2012 11:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
My bet
Is Twolves don’t budge from 4-yr offer cuz they can offer same deal, 5-yr deal, or match this summer. Not sure what KLove does in response though.
by PoohRichardson on Jan 25, 2012 12:16 AM CST reply actions
Nobody is listening to me, and it's starting to get frustrating
You can't...dust...for vomit.
If this were really going so badly then Love and Rubio wouldn't be twittering about it the way they are
This is just end-of-negotiations stuff. Give it 24 hours and all will be right in the world. ;)
by Django Z on Jan 25, 2012 12:54 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
IMO it's not actually about the money
It’s more about the respect, his position within the team as the “designated player”. For God’s Sake Kahn (in the words of Cuba Gooding Jr) show him the qwan!!!
I liked it, but you definitely have to be a fan of Hunter or Depp or both to get into it.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 25, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
...and it does peter out towards the end.
But it was enjoyable for me.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 25, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Oddly enough
I have both in the fridge. I’ll keep that in mind but next on my viewing list is Anonymous, an intellectual bit of trash I’ve been looking forward to checking out.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
dude
high test strains have to be kept tightly sealed and in a cool dark place. THC can and does evaporate!
A local professor emeritus who used to come to Drinking Liberally had a son who wrote a book about Edward DeVere being the real author. I don’t have a dog in this fight but I love to listen to Shakespearean scholars get huffy about this stuff. And, fwiw, the points about how unlikely it is that Shakespeare could have written in such detail about Italy without ever having gone there is worth thinking about.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
kinda scary post from Zgoda
“I have heard from people I trust that David Kahn presented Love with a contract offer in the training room — not sure if it was the only formal offer ever made or the latest — after Monday’s loss to Houston and that Love was seen leaving Target Center with it crumpled in his hand and visibly angry.”
Give him the freakin 5th year if it takes that
first-worst-first?
I've asked around about both Ray's and Jerry's stories...
…I can’t get anyone to confirm that Love will sign but I’ve had 3 people confirm the crumpled bit. Everyone I talk to seems to indicate that Love does indeed want 5 years and the team is only offering him 4. There could be a compromise on the 4 year with an ETO bit, which would place both Love and Rubio’s next deal in the same off-season. Boy, who gets the 5th year then? (For all the people clamoring for this to be saved for Rubio, you might really have an interesting situation if Love continues to play and improve like he has.)
BTW
That ETO would be in 14/15. Also, I have no reason to not believe Ray has his s**t in order. He’s good and I can’t imagine him putting something like this out there without it being legit. That’s a pretty big take to be wrong on.
I'm hoping the crumpled paper bit
has more to do with being frustrated after the Houston loss than it does with the actual contract. I really think they get this done today.
That was my first follow up question, as well..
….and was told “no, it was the contract”. Ugh. Starting to get a bit worried. I started thinking about this a month ago believing that if there were a player who could say no it would be Love…then I thought about it in the sense that nobody turns down that much money on the 1st contract after a rookie deal…now, I’m starting to second guess everything. There is no reason whatsoever for the Wolves to save that 5th year designation. If they’re doing it for Rubio, they’ll have a situation where both he and Love come up for deals in the same year if Love gets the ETO. I don’t think they can use it on a UFA. Weird stuff.
the Crumpled Paper Conspiracy
love this franchise.
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Jan 25, 2012 7:55 AM CST up reply actions
The Sky is Falling!!!
With this Kevin Love panic, it’s looking like Friday night’s win over the Clippers will be the high point of the season.
Queue the doom and gloom.
by MarlonMaxeyEra on Jan 25, 2012 8:16 AM CST up reply actions
"You pooped in the refrigerater? And ate the whole wheel of cheese? How'd you do that?
Heck, I’m not even mad; that’s amazing!"
by McCleak on Jan 25, 2012 8:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I have a lot of trouble believing that story about the contract offer in the locker room
He has an agent. These things are not done with the player directly. I mean, if everyone says it happened, I guess maybe it did, but I’m pretty skeptical.
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 25, 2012 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe Love realized having an agent is worthless to him.
And is trying to cut him out.
by fanslaststand on Jan 25, 2012 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
It's David Kahn dealing with Kevin Love
professional? respectful of Love? making sound decisions?
are any of these things you associate with Kahn?
I agree.
Sounds really weird. Thus is Kahn I guess, but still definitely doesn’t seem like standard protocol by any means.
Here's what I think are the possibilities
1- Love has been receiving multiple offers from the team.
2- Ray Richardson made a bet that the team wouldn’t budge from 4 years and his “source” is really just an educated guess about both sides knowing that this is a game of chicken and that Schwartz or Love will blink and take the 4 years with an ETO.
3- Ray Richardson has a source with Love’s agent or with Love.
4- The team wants to give Love 5 years and Team Love wants 4 and the ETO.
5- Love wants 5 and the team only wants to give 4.
My best guess is that Kahn has been making various offers with 4 years over the past few weeks. None of them had the ETO. I think Love really wants 5. Russell Westbrook was his college roommate and the dude has an ego. We’re basically calling the 5 year bit a Westbrook Deal.
I think Kahn came to him after his good game with a 4 year deal with an ETO and Love got pissed. I really think that happened, as I’ve had 3 different people mention it. I don’t know if they’re just relaying what they heard from someone else, but I really trust them and it kind of makes sense if this 4 year deal had the ETO added. To give Kahn some credit, this is his leverage (the ETO). I think he waited a long time to concede on the point, giving Love few options with little time. I think Love signs the 4 year ETO bit and the Wolves will have a situation where both he and Rubio are up in 14/15.
Hmm...
Why would we want Rubio and Love deal to come up at the same time? We like that kinda cadence?
Easier to convince them both to take less in that scenario.
So they can add a piece together?
by fanslaststand on Jan 25, 2012 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
Not that that is the Wolves logic.
But it’s far easier to make a concession as a group.
by fanslaststand on Jan 25, 2012 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
I find it hard to believe
that Love would visually show that he’s upset when something goes against him. We’ve never seen him act like that before.
by Jerwol on Jan 25, 2012 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah we were talking about Spanish Unicorns
and he dropped your name. Small world, funny how’s not even a basketball fan.
"Both he and Rubio are up in 14/15."
Is this a good thing? Why are the Wolves trying to orchestrate this? It seems like an absolute nightmare to me.
I think Stockton and Malone were on a similar bit
It might be a good thing. I don’t know enough about the history of similar situations to say one way or another.
Hm.
It’s probably just the Minnesotan in me, but I envision that the one thing that would compel Ricky to try to leave after his rookie deal would be that Love had just left that same offseason.
I like it
I think tying them to the hip as the equal cornerstones of the franchise is kind of cool. I’d like to know more about the history of similar pairings to feel better about the chances of it working (or not working), but I think they should be given Stockton/Malone billing…relatively speaking, of course (they have a long, long way to go to reach that plateau).
by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 25, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
of course...
…looking at their BR pages, it is clear that Malone made a lot more money than Stockton….so there’s that.
2014-2015 could be a very good year to have open cap room
If everyone took their ETOs (which they won’t, but this is just a hypothetical) the free agent class would be something like: Amar’e Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony, Rudy Gay, Dirk Nowitzki, Pau Gasol, Brandon Roy, Kobe Bryant, Zach Randolph, Andrew Bogut, Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall, Greg Monroe, Evan Turner.
Good plan Kahnzy
except of course when you have to resign Love in 3-4 years and he hates your guts for this
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Kahn's Revenge
He knows he’s gone after this year so he f-s up the Love signing.
totally unprofessional and probably not true, but wow these games make no sense to me. If a guy putting up those numbers wants the max, give him the max. IMO Love and Westbrook have the Ego’s that the 5th year will assuage while Durant and Rubio have the slightly mellower (off court) personality that will accept the four year deal. Also if nothing else, you deal with the current problem and put off everything else for latter and that means signing Love.
No way
Why would Kahn be handing an offer to Love? Wouldn’t he be dealing with Love’s agent?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2012 7:58 AM CST up reply actions
From the KD Files:
"I can guarantee you he will only ever be a Clipper," general manager Neil Olshey said of his prized rookie. "If [Oklahoma City Thunder general manager] Sam Presti arrived on Kevin Durant‘s doorstep at midnight on July 1st with an extension, understand that Blake Griffin lives two blocks away from me in Manhattan Beach so it’s going to be a much shorter commute for me."
It's possible.
At this point it just either has the number 4 or 5 on it.
by fanslaststand on Jan 25, 2012 8:28 AM CST up reply actions
lol ditto
get this freakin done
first-worst-first?
by holymackerel on Jan 25, 2012 5:26 AM CST up reply actions
With Love
You are in no way shot. I mean if we can’t get an extension from him, I’m open to trading Love for Harden+Ibaka.
Then
Flip Ridnour + UTA 1st for Batum
Derrick Williams + Beasley + Darko + 2nd for Bogut
and we have something like
Rubio Barea
Harden Lee
Batum Wes/Webster
Ibaka AR/AT
Bogut Pek
I think
Milwaukee needs some more incentive for Bogut. So let’s see the assets we have.
Wes is flippable for a high 2nd rounder
AT is flippable for a low 2nd rounder
AR is flippable for a 2nd rounder, maybe, someday
Beasley - ???
UTA 1st round pick option (14prot in 2012, 12prot in 2013, 9prot in 2014
MEM 1st round pick option in 2013 (14prot)
NJ 2nd round pick in 2013
I say let’s try to flip AR for a 2nd rounder. Give up 2 2nd rounders + ridnour for Batum (he’s totally worth it)
Give up UTA + NJ picks + Beasley + Darko + D-Will for Bogut.
If OKC needs more incentive for love, give up MEM protected first.
If Love stays, then get Bogut and Batum here with the same asset package as before.
I don’t want to sound too cold but having a Love-Bogut-Rubio core with a sick hole at the two isn’t as good as having a Rubio-Harden-Bogut core with a well-balanced roster.
Pipe dreams…
Either way
we have a shot at getting our hands at both Batum and Bogut, which has awesome potential written all over it.
This is giving me horrible Cesc-to-Barcelona flashbacks.
Give the man everything he wants. And a bit extra for pissing him off.
Just get it done.
Live And Stupid From England
by JonesTheCat on Jan 25, 2012 7:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions
It worked in the past right!?
Hell, the NBA already has our draft pick for next year.
Live And Stupid From England
How many hours left?
Time zones are one of my achilles heel(s).
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by JonesTheCat on Jan 25, 2012 7:50 AM CST via mobile reply actions
3 hours left
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
plus 12
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by beatsandpeasnyc on Jan 25, 2012 8:05 AM CST up reply actions
my mistake
pm not am
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
So thats 5am tomorrow for me.
If I wake up tomorrow and there’s no deal, I’m getting the first flight to Minneapolis to protest outside Target Centre.
Live And Stupid From England
by JonesTheCat on Jan 25, 2012 8:17 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I thought of something new this morning
Love becomes a RFA and gets a team to offer max deal with ETO (opt-out, for those like me who didn’t get the acronym) after one year. The Wolves match, of course, but Love both gets paid $13.8 million next year AND becomes an unrestricted free agent. Is this something Love could do, legally under the CBA? Honestly, I would do that if I weren’t happy with the current offer.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
It's unlikely that any team is going to give him an ETO after 1 year on a max deal
The whole point of the max deal is to give the player the most amount of salary he can earn under the CBA and give the team his rights so they can trade him for something. An early ETO for the player would scuttle that power.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2012 8:00 AM CST up reply actions
You don't think a team would pay Kevin Love for one year?
And does that take away the Bird rights? Bird rights don’t just come from rookie contracts, just don’t come from being the original team. Whether you need to play with a team for a number of years is a question I can’t answer this moment.
But it’s moot. Many teams with space would take one year of Love.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
No, I don't think any team would pay him for one year
It’s a huge risk with little upside.
Has any team done this ever in the NBA?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2012 8:08 AM CST up reply actions
What's the risk?
If he gets injured, he doesn’t opt-out. That’s the same as a four year straight up. If he opts out, they paid him for one year.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
The risk to a team offering that deal
is they tie up their cap space in that offer until the Wolves either match or let the 7 day time period to match expire. Secondly, their offer cannot match the maximum salary that the Wolves could offer over the length of the deal. They might be able to get close to the first year salary, but the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th years would be much less than what the Wolves could offer. Third, a team would have to have to be under the salary cap to make an offer like this and at the first year salary that Love commands they would have to be way under the salary cap on 7/1/2012.
A 4 year offer with Love getting an ETO after the first year has never been offered to any NBA player that I can recall. The primary reason for that is because for NBA teams to compete with the talented players they drafted they have to control what they take back in any trade. Say Love gets that deal and the team that gives him that deal suddenly wants to trade him because they are worried he will walk.
Big time clubs with superstar talent rarely give a player a no trade clause. Jordan and Kobe are the only players I remember getting this in their contracts for obvious reasons. NBA teams just don’t have a lot of control of their players so they are not willing to give up what little control they start with.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2012 9:03 AM CST up reply actions
I'm certain that the CBA prohibits ETOs after 1 year
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 25, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
Has any team done this?
Not sure that matters. Is it okay under the current rules? That’s the key.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
Uhh
Yea, but why has it never, ever been done?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2012 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
That's my question, too
But it’s not an argument.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
So, SnP
You’re saying no team would want Love for one year at max salary, with the opportunity to sign him to a new deal after he opts out.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
Nobody has ever done that
I don’t even know if it is possible. I think the baseline for extensions is 4, but I could be wrong.
I don't know the new CBA, but under the old one it wasn't possible.
For non-rookie deals a player needed 3 years for Bird Rights and ETO required a minimum of 2 or 3 years before they could be added.
In theory they could do a fully non-guaranteed year for the same reason, but the player would have to be waived and someone would pick up the contract.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Top David Kahn lines overheard in the negotiations
“You thought you could make fun of all my draft picks and get away with it! Who’s laughing now funny boy!” (Evil maniacal laugh)
“We going to stay in this room together and talk it out until we both feel good. I’m ready to stay here as long as it takes.”
“I’d give you the fifth year but Coach Adelman said no one gets a contract longer than him. My hands are tied.”
“You’ve only been skinny for 15 games! How can we be sure you won’t blow back up?”
“I’d give you money if it were up to me. But it’s Taylor. He’s a tight-ass.”
“I need to save the money for a singular dynamic move.”
If Love does not sign an extension
It will be “hello, Pau,” and “goodbye, Kevin,” here in Minnesota.
by unidos_corremos on Jan 25, 2012 8:32 AM CST reply actions
The pairing of Love with Bynum would be pretty solid, too.
by unidos_corremos on Jan 25, 2012 8:34 AM CST up reply actions
Fuck the Lakers
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
by GWST11 on Jan 25, 2012 8:35 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And we're signing Love
No way it doesn’t happen.
I will have “I am an idiot” in my signature line if it doesn’t get done.
I think we will, too.
He seems pretty happy to be paired with Ricky. I just can’t see the Wolves not cashing in on his value if he doesn’t sign, and I know Love loves L.A.
by unidos_corremos on Jan 25, 2012 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
Is Kahn
1)Making up for overpaying Ryan Hollins by a factor of 5?
2)Still finding money to pay off his Rambis blunder?
3)Still passive-aggressively hostile to Kevin Love for being McHale’s guy?
4)Still passive-aggressively hostile to Kevin Love for being good when Kahn decided he wasn’t?
5)following the directives of a penny-foolish pound-foolisher owner?
6)creating a situation where he finally is allowed to trade Love (see 3 & 4)
7)just negotiating hard and not caring that he’s pissing off his franchise player
speculation of course
but I think there’s some combo of 3 + 4 lurking beneath the surface.
Maybe it’s just 7 though.
If there is ANY of three and four
I would think the Adelmans would clothesline the hell out of Kahn, tell Taylor he needs to be gone Right Now, and sign Love themselves.
Okay, I'll trust EiM and SnP
That an offer sheet with a one-year opt out isn’t allowed. That leaves:
1. Five-year max
2. Four-year max
3. Four-year max, with opt-out after three
4. Five year max with opt-out after three
5. Five year max with opt-out after four
6. $6.2 million qualifying offer
7. Offer sheet that can be matched
- and #7 are off the table for Love, so I find it difficult to believe the Wolves are insisting on #2. That makes me wonder which of 1, 3, 4, 5 are being offered and which are being demanded.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
That should read
Numbers 2 and 7 are off the table for Love.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
Wolfson tweet:
Hard to think #Twolves are really holding firm over $2.5M (difference on 4-year offers). Was told if Love wants 5, they’ll do it. We’ll see.
Is this really true? The Wolves would rather go to 5 years then pay a little extra over 4? That makes no sense. Why would either the Wolves or Love take this stand?
No, not true
And that’s what he’s saying. The first sentence just states the obvious.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
Don't we have Love over a barrel right now?
Putting aside all of our opinions for a moment.
Love has to sign. Even if he waits the season he could blow out his knee tomorrow and never see that kind of money again.
Let me say it again…
He has to sign.
Now we can relax and wait for the news.
And I didn't mean to imply we had all the leverage
Just that he’d be insane not to sign.
Eh
A) I don’t know if you are right
B) If you are, why the hell do we want to piss off our best player?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
NBA is a different business
In a normal business model you could argue that it would make more sense to pay 6 people that are an 8/10 at their jobs good but not great money vs paying three people that are 10/10 at their job 10/10 money….It actually happens a lot, especially in this economy, over qualified people have a tough time finding jobs
In the NBA you are better off finding 1-3 (if you are lucky) guys who are worth 14+ million dollars a year as opposed to paying 5 people that are all about as good as Luis Scola 8 million a year
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
even better, in the nba
you only have to pay someone who is all-world at their job a salary capped at an artificially low number.
yes
and that is why Love should get the max right?
I’m telling you. we could randomly select 50% of the posters on CH and do the job better than Kahn, even though none of us have the “business” background it takes to run a franchise, by simply selecting the right players in the draft and uttering the words “max” in Love’s contract negotiations we would already be doing a better job
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Wolves CMO Ted Johnson Twitter:
Big day today…
7 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
That sounds ominous, doesn't it?
I dunno. With Minnesota sports I have been trained to think the worse.
He is talking about the Vikes stadium and the related Target Center renovation
1 hour into stadium meeting with Vikes, Guv, Mpls and Legislative leaders. Discussing Mpls 3 for 1 solution. Anyone see white smoke yet?
https://twitter.com/#!/WolvesCMO/status/162210387067027456
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Jan 25, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Two new comments
1. If Love gets five years, and the Wolves deal him after three or after two or in the third year, can they give Rubio five? I remember only that the team can’t have two five year designated players on their team.
2. I want Love to be a Wolf. But if they deal him, it’s going to be for something really good. I would suggest it could easily be something that makes the Wolves better. My comment is that this isn’t the end of the world if he doesn’t sign, it just puts us in a situation with a whole lot of unknowns. Which, admittedly, is uncomfortable.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
nobody trades the kind of player that is worth Love
It’s a crazy stupid business move. Love is great, works hard to get better every year, doesn’t get negative press, and even tries (usually) to get better on defense.
What team is looking to give up that kind of player?
by midlife crisis on Jan 25, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Any news on the injuries?
I read a few weeks back that Lee was only about 2 weeks away from practicing…should be soon, no?
Webster?
Beasley I read is practicing again
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
For tonight's game
C Brad Miller (knee), G Martell Webster (back), G J.J. Barea (hamstring) and F Michael Beasley (foot) are out. G/F Wes Johnson (illness) is questionable. G Luke Ridnour (knee), C Darko Milicic (hip) and F Anthony Tolliver (wrist) missed practice but are probable. For Dallas, F Nowitzki and G/F Vince Carter (foot) are out
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
did we just cut Lee?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 25, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Not sure who this guy is...
…but saw this on twitter this morning:
treykerby Taco Trey Kerby
#TBJ / Banged-up Timberwolves using Shawn Respert as practice player dlvr.it/17BtWN
Trey wrote for "The Blowtorch", Yahoo!'s "Ball Don't Lie", and now writes for TheBasketballJones blog.
He basically makes a lot of NBA jokes every day.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
Is it possible that the Love tweet
about not believing what you read on the internet was referring to the report that he crumpled up a contract offer? Especially since he always refers contract discussions to his agent when dealing with the media.
Yes
It seems odd that Kevin has all along said the questions should be directed to his agent because his agent handles all the negotiations only to have a report say Kahn hands an offer to Love.
One might think, are the Wolves even listening to Kevin?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
except that tweet
was before the crumpling incident was on the internet, the crumpling wasn’t widely publicized,
and the tweet was right after one of the major local papers posted the rumored contract signing on their site.
There’s absolutely no way that tweet was about the not-yet-on-the-internet crumpling incident.
Maybe he was taking a jab at Fox News' online coverage of the State of the Union
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Would you punch
a mentally retarded child? I think not. And neither would Kevin Love.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 25, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
What I'm hearing is that
Love was actually crumpling up a membership the the jelly of the month club that Kahn had given him as a sort of pre-deal sweetener. Love was understandably insulted as he’s been cutting back on sugar.
Last night on 2K, as a defense mechanism, I traded Love for
Batum, Wes Matthews, Nolan Smith and a 1st round pick. But this morning, I’d still rather have Kevin.
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The Real Blazers are like 2k GM expert mode
All trades denied because their is no “on bended knee groveling in disgrace” option in the negotiations.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
How are the Real Lakers?
Would Kupcheck really accept a trade offer of Beas, Wes and AR for Bynum? =)
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I don't know if they will trade Bynum
They wouldn’t trade him when Kobe asked. Maybe if Magic asked them to deal Bynum?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Portland fans would get pretty darn confused
what to think about the whole LMA-vs.-Love if that happened.
A logistical question for somebody in the know
Preface: I’m not a doomsdayer on this contract. I think something will get signed, and would prefer it be maxing him out for 5.
However, when presented with the notion that he wouldn’t sign today, and would then be an RFA or take a lowball qualifying offer, it brings up a question. If he truly wants to leave, and we won’t trade him, does he actually have to take the $6.1M QO and then walk? Couldn’t he tell a team that he knows Minnesota will match, so they should just offer him a 1-year, maxed out contract, rather than the 4 that would lock him up in Minny long-term?
Once again, not at all what I would expect to happen, but I’ve never heard anyone present that idea. The only way I’ve heard for him to get outta here without Minny’s blessing is to take the QO, leaving roughly $8M on the table.
I only ever want the Wolves to draft 5th.
@BrettAhlgren
A more bare-bones version
Of what I was saying above. I absolutely have to believe that’s possible. Thank you. What that doesn’t do, of course, is guarantee security, but no less than the QO, I guess.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 25, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Ha, sorry
I avoided this all last night, and didn’t have the wherewithal to read much of the 500 comments above.
I only ever want the Wolves to draft 5th.
@BrettAhlgren
by BrettAhlgren on Jan 25, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Removing the ETO portion of your question above, as I did,
we don’t really have a finite answer, though, do we?
I only ever want the Wolves to draft 5th.
@BrettAhlgren
by BrettAhlgren on Jan 25, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
It could happen
The chances Love turns down max 4 year money for a one year deal and roll of his maximum career earnings dice in the league: about zero.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Aldridge reports
that the fifth year is a problem because they want to save that spot for Rubio. It’s here. That does not seem smart to me. We have no idea whether the absence of a fifth year will be a problem for Rubio down the line, but if we know it’s a problem for Love now, just give it to him. The money per year is not much different.
This "fifth year" rule is one of the dumbest thing the NBA has ever done.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 25, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
The NBA likes superteams for the next TV contract
… but almost as much as the lower %pay increase, this really limits the time they stay together. four vs five years is huge if you are a Lebron or Wade, making near max money and knowing an injury changes everything. Having guaranteed money for just four years makes you not want to stay, unless you are totally sef sacrificing and really do just want to win.
by midlife crisis on Jan 25, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
If Love agrees to this...
it really shows he believes that Kahn (or whomever), can get he and Rubio the other player they need to be a contender. He’s doing a superteam move in advance, sort of the opposite of KG.
by midlife crisis on Jan 25, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
That is nuts
Who the hell knows what will be happening 3 years down the road. You have the opportunity to lock up a great player who is 23 years old for the next 5 years right now. Crazy.
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 25, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
It's such a poor idea
for as good as Rubio already is, there is a fair chance he will never be a better point than Love is a PF anyway
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 25, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
and that's assuming Love doesn't change
He appears to keep working on his game. Most people wouldn’t have a 20/15 year and leave looking for his weaknesses.
…. but sign the contract, damnit
by midlife crisis on Jan 25, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
I was hopeful Team Adelman was now at the reins for this team
But I smell Kahn/Taylor on this front.
It's Taylor
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 25, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Of course it is
It’s his money, and a lot of it (I think Love is worth it by the way).
I personally don’t think it has anything to do with saving the 5th year for anyone (we’ve seen this with “Windows of Opportunity”). It’s about keeping your fixed costs down.
I think it’s shortsighted but my guess is this is that if there is a resistance here it is all from the Owner.
Yeah, I don't even think they're trying to accomplish something that makes sense.
I’d just offer Love max 4- and 5-year deals and let him pick. I’m pretty indifferent between them, so if he wants 5, fine with me.
by Madison Dan on Jan 25, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Right. There's not any concrete advantage to keeping that designation, right?
Other than the specific scenario that RIcky would stay if offered five years but leave if offered four? How can we know either of those things are true?
So let’s just risk losing them both.
I can see this from a Marketing perspective.
Not like the lower bowl was filled for the 30-30 game.
Production aside, Rubio has been more valuable to the franchise this year.
by fanslaststand on Jan 25, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Not to mention the outrage over the non-televised games this year
few cared last year when something like 20 of the 82 games were not carried locally.
mayn whut de fuck iz happening
MAYN HOL UP!
by MAYNHOLUP on Jan 25, 2012 11:09 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Jonny Flynn on Life in Minnesota
“I let that (the Rubio talk) get to me too much,” Flynn said. “Everybody was always talking about Ricky coming here. My two years here was like five years to me. What I went through taught me a lot about life.”
Flynn didn’t fare well in then-coach Kurt Rambis’ triangle offense, raising doubts about his future with the team and frustrating Timberwolves fans. Flynn said he “tried to stay a professional” about the situation. “I remember all of that,” Flynn said of the criticism. “It felt like we were playing 82 road games last year when your own crowd was on you. What did I do to deserve that? I never spoke bad about Minnesota or the organization.”
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Stay positive Jonny...
…yes Rambis sucked. It took two years, but KLove still made an all-star team under him. What did you do in your two years? That’s right, you sucked.
Keep yer head up, kid.
I felt bad reading it too
But people were booing Jonny because of his poor play, not off the court stuff. You can only tolerate so many awful turnovers before you get frustrated.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Jan 25, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
awww Jonny u sad homie?
If u really want I can write a laundry list uv reaons i wuz booing at yo bitch ass. Being de worst pro basketball player in history wud be numba 1, tweetin bout shitty movies all day would be numba 2. Noone likes u jonny stfu
MAYN HOL UP!
by MAYNHOLUP on Jan 25, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
It's like you're reading my mind every time you post, MAYN.
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And apparently, the Rockets told Flynn, Terrence Williams and Hasheem Thabeet
that their options will not be picked up.
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The Rockets are awesome
Collect lottery picks and then just not pick up their options because they have better players already…picked in the 2nd round.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
The comments at the end of the article seem pretty unanimous in their sentiment
Hopefully Jonny reads them and proceeds to STFU.
by unidos_corremos on Jan 25, 2012 11:19 AM CST reply actions
Latest news fodder is Love doesn't want a 5 year deal...
He wants the 4 with ETO. Latest on ESPN.
by The K-Love Train on Jan 25, 2012 11:21 AM CST reply actions
Well there you go.
I’d way, way rather have him on a five-year deal though. I think he’s gone after three.
The clock is now ticking!
Yeah, 4 with ETO
is my least favorite option. The way the article is written, Love started wanting 5, then changed his position to 4 + ETO.
by Madison Dan on Jan 25, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Also my least favorite option, but at least 3 more years of
Love on this team is better than him leaving via FA. But I also read it as since he couldn’t get 5 he is relenting to 4 with ETO, to get paid as much as he can, and still get out in his prime.
by The K-Love Train on Jan 25, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah. It seems backward to me that we have an All-Star who
actually wanted to spend five more years here and we wouldn’t let him.
Maybe I’m being paranoid, but him switching like that doesn’t feel like a happy occurrence to me. It feels like, “I’ll take the money because I can’t get as much anywhere else, but then I’m out of here.”
Of course, maybe we’ll fire whoever pissed him off (Kahn) in that time frame, and he and Ricky will want to stay together or something.
Short term, I agree that it's an F-you stance.
Longer term, anything goes. If we get good, he’ll probably stay.
by Madison Dan on Jan 25, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Long term that is best case scenario Madison..
…and I sure hope it comes true.
by The K-Love Train on Jan 25, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Of course, fans probably said the same thing after extensions
in Cleveland, Denver, New Orleans, and Orlando.
I wouldn’t bet five dollars on Love being here four years from now.
Huh
I’m still of the opinion Taylor/Kahn have offered him everything and it’s up to Kevin to choose.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 25, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
The last sentence of that article:
The 23-year-old Love is one of the league’s brightest young stars, averaging 24.9 points and 13.9 rebounds per game through 17 games for last-place Minnesota.
last-place…..
While true, that seems….tilted. and pisses me off.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 25, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Very titled
They are last place in their division only, not last place in the conference, or the league like many years past.
by The K-Love Train on Jan 25, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
It's also the best division in the league (record-wise, at least)
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 25, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
everything-wise, yes
I only ever want the Wolves to draft 5th.
@BrettAhlgren
by BrettAhlgren on Jan 25, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Not sure this is possible...
But how about a 5 year with a mutual for the last year? That (sorta) gives both sides what they want.
regardless uv if he atually signs dis new opt ut deal mayn
we fucked dis up big time. it wuz so simple. fuck mayn. dude iz burned, hes gone afta 3. hopefully he stays off dem whoppers not but mayn i dont think anywun feels good bout dis righ now fuck
MAYN HOL UP!
I'm not a big fat on the 4+ ETO option either...
If thats all you can get than do it but at least offer the guy the 5 year max he deserves
Marc Stein:
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Adding to report from our @Chris_Broussard; Sources say deal will be signed after shootaround now that Kevin Love gets opt out after Year 3
Sucks.
Alright, well....we got him for a little bit.
Don’t complain, don’t explain. Just be happy it’ll be done.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 25, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Hopefully by then
We’ll be competing for a championship and he’ll be begging for us to let him stay
Getting worse....
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
When Wolves wouldn’t do five-year deal, Love’s camp said they’d only do four-year deal WITH opt out after Year 3 to make him 2015 free agent
Ugggghhh that's painful.
I trust Stein, I’ll believe that.
and I’m going to go cry, stupid f4^2ing wolves….
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 25, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Which let's him force a trade to the team of his choosing by the deadline of year 3.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
I'm a firm "sign him for 5 at the max" guy
But to go all silver lining on everyone, maybe this lights the necessary fire under our FO’s asses to get him support.
I only ever want the Wolves to draft 5th.
@BrettAhlgren
by BrettAhlgren on Jan 25, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
To me that is exactly what it is.
I don’t blame Love at all. He is saying “Hey duders, get me some help here before I have to suffer like KG did for much longer”. I expect the Wolves to become active in acquiring bigger name players in the next 2 years (which could start at the trade deadline this year). Having Rubio being our PG helps attract a lot of talent too I think when they know Rubio has no problem dishing out the ball.
These are my thoughts exactly.
Seems to me like a good move for KLove and it isn’t the end of the world for the Wolves either. If the front office can’t find a competent third piece in the next two years the Wolves don’t deserve Love past 2015.
by Free Tony T on Jan 25, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Actually, based on the reports, he's saying:
“Hey guys, I want to play here for five years! Let’s get this done! Wait… what? You… You’re not going to give me five years?
[Blank face] Alright. Give me an opt-out after three. See you at the game tonight."
Who is out there at the deadline this year that we can get?
by RaysOfHope on Jan 25, 2012 11:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Lebron, Wade, Paul, and Melo
all did the same thing.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Meh.
I can’t watch more than 3 more years of pro sports anyway.
by fanslaststand on Jan 25, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
It's not unusual
The opt out clause also allows Love to negotiate another deal that can pay him even more.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 25, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
Love just tweeted it as well. He’s staying for 4 years, he doesn’t mention the opt out.
Krawczynski:
Done deal: 4 years $60-62M. Player option in final year for Love
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Vindication!
Ray Richardson and I can breathe a sigh of relief.
by Madison Dan on Jan 25, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
I don’t know how but they managed to depress me by signing Love to a long term deal. If there’s any truth to the Love wanted 5 but the FO wouldn’t give it to him Kahn deserves to be castrated and forced to try and swim the Mississippi naked.
Nobody knows.
It’s all conjecture. We can’t start crucifying the FO off internet rumor.
From Love's mouth
"Yeah, I definitely considered that," he said about not signing now. "Me personally, I wanted to make a five-year commitment. When they weren’t willing to do, I feel like four years is good. I’d like to see the direction of where this team is headed and I think we are getting better. I think it is working for us. With the addition of Coach (Rick Adelman), the players we added in the offseason, where we’re heading with our youth, I think the future is bright."
Here's the problem
Kevin Love is already talking about being on same status level as Rose and Westbrook. He will brood about this just like coming off the bench under Rambis.
These guys don’t consider actual dollar amounts (after a certain point) as much as being paid at the same or higher level as their perceived peers.
Kahn said it wasn’t about the dollars or the designated player status but about the number of years commitment. He is an idiot.
Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way
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