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How Love Went From Better To More Better

Kevin Love is a unique mammal. We've tried for years to describe what he is, or whose career to compare him to. To this point there's no answer. Last season we witnessed him pile up incredible statistics, and had endless arguments as to where he stands amongst the game's power forwards. Reasonable answers had listed him anywhere from 1st to 9th amongst PF's, with the CH faithful (and Dave Berri) perhaps ranking him higher on average than the rest of the nation. Due to his elite production at a strange combination of statistics, coupled with his team's historically bad production, Kevin Love was a very polarizing figure in the league last season. This season that is not necessarily the case. Even the 4-letter network has articles placing him definitively in the top 2, and many as THE top guy. So what has changed for the reigning most improved player? Has the combination of Rubio, Adelman, 30 less pounds, and one more year of intelligence spurned on further improvement for Kevin Love? Has the Wolves' national exposure simply made him a more interesting player to write about? Was he so underrated last season that he's simply been overrated this year? Good questions, BeasleBong.

As with everything I write, this is about 1000 words too long. If you don't have time for it, don't read it. Or just skip to the bullet points at the end and you'll pretty much get the gist of it.

Star-divide

When Kevin Love was awarded the Most Improved Player award last season a lot of people wondered whether he actually deserved it, or whether his improvement was a byproduct of that dunce of a coach realizing we should probably start our best player. Whatever the case was, Kevin Love's aggregate stats took a major leap due in large part to increased minutes while maintaining or increasing his scoring efficiency and rebounding rates. There was little doubt that he did improve, the question was simply how much he improved.

There seems to be a greater consensus this season. People seem ready and willing to accept that he is an elite PF in basketball. When looking at the 4-letter's widely publicized NBA Rank, before the season Love was ranked behind Dirk Nowitzki, Blake Griffin, Pau Gasol, and Amare Stoudemire as the 5th best PF (and 16th best player in the league). Arguments could have also been made to have LaMarcus Aldridge, Zach Randolph, Chris Bosh, and even great 2-way players like Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan over him as well. It seems like through 18 games Love has passed, and even shed debates from all these players except Blake Griffin and occasionally LaMarcus Aldridge on the national landscape. The heaps of praise being piled onto him this season imply even further improvement. Before researching for this post I wondered to myself whether that was due to some great tangible improvement, or just mere perception.

My worry stemmed from the other name involved in the conversation: Blake Griffin. Last season Blake seemed to be acknowledged as a superfreak of an athlete with a very bright future. This season people seem to be anointing him as officially arrived: even though he has been worse statistically even with the arrival of Chris Paul. Without getting too deep into Blake's stats, his PER is down, TS% is down, TRB% is down, AST% is down and TO% is up (despite being surrounded by improved teammates) which all leads to his WS/48 being significantly down. Even his aggregate stats have not improved, which leaves no reason for even casual fans to believe he's improved. These beliefs must stem solely from being on a new national landscape with a winning team. Somehow Blake has been able to be acknowledged as a top 1, 2, or 3 PF without actually getting better. So if that's the deal in Hollywood, what's the deal here?

Remember how I mentioned Kevin Love being a weird mammal? Well after looking into it Kevin Love is a weird, weird mammal. Having watched all the games so far, Kevin Love looks a TON better than he did last year. He's quick, he's explosive, he can dribble, he has shown quickness and power in the post. He looks vastly improved. The very surface aggregate stats imply he has also improved. He is scoring 5 PPG more, while not suffering a dramatic loss in rebounds. He's getting more steals AND more blocks while playing the most minutes in the league. Of course, CH is too smart to be deceived by simple aggregate numbers, so let's ignore those for a minute. His FG% is the worst of his career (.436). His FT% is the 2nd worst of his career (.804). His 3P% is worse than it was last season (.409 from .417). His assists are down, his turnovers are up. His TRB% and DRB% have dropped dramatically (19.3 from 23.6 and 26.6 from 34.2 respectively) while his ORB% has dropped a little bit (11.8 from 13.7). If I was a sexy poster here I would include charts and shit, but I don't want to be considered sexy. I just want to be considered ruthlessly aggressive, bringing the straight facts without the frills and sequins. Also I don't know how to make charts, and am too slow to learn.

Despite the lack of improvement in % numbers, Kevin Love has STILL managed to boost his WS/48 from an outstanding .210 last season to .237 this season (SAY WHAT?!?!?!). Not only that, but there is significant reason to believe that he could jump even more than that by the end of the season. I've played with my food long enough on this post. I told you he was better, then told you he was worse. Here are the 3 biggest reasons why Kevin Love has made the leap to become an elite member of the league.

  • Defense?!?!?!?

Due to the lack of one inarguable solid defensive statistic, it usually takes two seasons or more to recognize a typical improvement in a player's defense. However, from where he was two seasons ago, Kevin Love's defensive improvement has been anything but typical. He has gone from defensive atrocity to defensive asset. That's right, not just a hide-able entity, but an actual asset. It doesn't matter what metric you want to use, he's gotten better. Synergy Sports' PPP? He's given up .78 PPP, including .65 in the post (good for top 20 post defender in the league). Opponents' PER? When covering C's he overcomes the typical 2 or 3 inch differential in height to give up a 12.1 PER (league average is 15). When covering PF's he gives up a mere 10.5 PER Last year he gave up 12.4 to C's and 16 to PF's. Defensive Rating? He's gone from giving up career numbers of 109, 109, and 108 to a very solid 99 this season. Due to Darko's decreased minutes Kevin Love has had a lot more responsibility as a post defender this season as well. Darko has recently had memorable performances against Blake Griffin and Lamar Odom, but for the most part Love has been manning the opposition's best post scorer. If you disagree with statistical evidence of defensive improvement, you can watch the game and probably reach the same conclusion. He has greatly stepped up his help defense as well and raised his effort a ton. He'll never be a guy who racks up blocks, but he has challenged a lot more shots (both inside and outside) this season than last. He has some improvement to do on the perimeter against stretch 4's, but he has not been burned badly yet this season in a place on the court where he was burned semi-nightly last year. In fact, due to his solid shut-down ability this year combined with a still excellent (although lower) DRB% and high minutes, Kevin Love is actually in the top 10 of defensive win shares this season with 1.1. It's early, but he's tied with LeBron so that's pretty cool (Ricky has 1.0... it's cool when your two best offensive players are also two good defensive players). Love's defensive improvement more than makes up for any drop in rebounding numbers.

  • Shot Selection

I mentioned earlier that Love is averaging 5 more points than last year despite far worse percentages. Surprisingly, he's only taking 4 more shots per game this year to get those 5 extra points. His Points/FGA is only slightly worse than last season (1.39 to last year's 1.43). While this isn't necessarily an improvement, there is an improvement in what his shot chart looks like on a nightly basis. Kevin Love is bombing threes like he thinks they're worth more than that. He's averaging 1 more shot at the rim, the same amount from 3-15 feet, 1.2 more from 16-23 feet (the easiest shot to get, the hardest shot to make) and a whopping 2.2 more shots from 3 point range. The reason I'm optimistic for possible further in-season improvement is that relative to his career averages, he's been shooting like crap (worst FG%'s from 3-9, 10-15, and 16-23 of his career... chart can be seen here). On top of taking a lot more jumpers, he's also been getting to the line 1.3 more times per 36 minutes than last season. The cynic in me would believe that NBA officiating might have something to do with that. However the witness in me has seen Kevin Love drawing borderline reckless amounts of contact this year, while still bombing 3's at an alarming rate. Again, his FT % is down, and his 3P% is down, but he's racking up almost 4.5 more points from the efficiency stripes in comparison to last season (when a huge percentage of his points came from the FT line and the 3P line as well). If he returns to his average percentages, we could see him average 26 or 27 points per game at this particular usage rate (we'll see how Beasley returning to the lineup effects that). Which leads me to my 3rd great improvement...

  • Usage Rate

Last year we loved Kevin Love because he was highly efficient and relatively low usage, while we weren't as fond of Beasley because he was low efficiency and high usage. I would have argued a season ago that a player like Beasley is a necessary evil to employ. You need someone on your team to swallow the bad possessions and force shots when the shot clock is winding down. A player like Beasley allowed a player like Love to maintain his high efficiency numbers. Kevin Love has, for about the 15th time, proven me wrong. Love's usage rate has been pretty consistent through his career (21.0, 22.4, 22.9). This season that number has taken a huge jump to 28.4 (comparatively, last season Beasley was 28.3). I'm not sure how much of this has to do with Beasley having been out of the lineup/ineffective when he's been in the lineup, but I figure it's worth quoting now in case anything happens when Beasley gets back. In basketball a player's efficiency drops when his usage goes up. That's just something that happens. In basketball, a big man's efficiency drops more than a guard's efficiency drops when their usages go up the same amount. That is why the league leaders, and the players generally considered to be the "best" tend to be guards, or ball-handling forwards. Kevin Love is currently 13th in the league in usage rate, and the only PF's or C's ahead of him are Blake Griffin and Andrea Bargnani. This is exactly the type of player people have claimed Love could not be. This is where Kevin Love claims to be a banana sandwich. He has been playing the most minutes per game at a high usage offensively, while giving more defensive effort than ever in his life. The season he's been having might not be MVP caliber, but it's shaping up to be something special.

For the sake of optimism, please refrain from commenting about 2015, or 2016. I started this fan post before the heinous (lack of) extension, and I don't intend for any Kahniness to ruin my good vibrations.

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Great read, very interesting.

Now, here’s a question: has anyone ever won Most Improved Player twice in a row…?

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by JonesTheCat on Jan 27, 2012 8:25 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I laughed
If I was a sexy poster here I would include charts and shit, but I don’t want to be considered sexy. I just want to be considered ruthlessly aggressive, bringing the straight facts without the frills and sequins. Also I don’t know how to make charts, and am too slow to learn.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 27, 2012 8:45 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

More outrageous

even his bad stats aren’t bad. More 16-23 foot jump shots? I’m guessing that increase is 100% from his stepping into defenders to get fouls while out in 3-point land.

Awesome player, enjoyable read.

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by TMiss on Jan 27, 2012 9:14 AM CST reply actions  

Now we just wait

for the inevitable day he goes to bestest

by spinozagreen on Jan 27, 2012 9:20 AM CST reply actions  

I posted quite awhile ago how many "hey Love's defense is soo much better" posts there would be this season

….
Love has been and is a perfectly competent defensive player. He’s somewhat better this year because he’s a bit quicker. He’s mostly ‘better’ because he hasn’t been specifically ‘coached’ not to cover his man anymore. Look at the team defense stats from last year to this year. You can chalk those up to:
1)Adelman – Rambis. This is by far, by very far, the biggest reason, and why it shows up at a team level.
2)Ricky -Flynn
3)-Beasley. Fewer games for Beasley means better defense for the team. He’s also been not quite as clueless and awful.
4)+Darko’s role under Adelman – Darko as Vlade
5) Love’s weightloss

This isn’t a knock on your very good post, or a knock on Love’s defense. It’s an indictment of Rambis, and annoying fans who howled at Love the past few seasons for doing what he, Tolliver and the rest of the bigs were required to do (or not do, rather).

by rickyp on Jan 27, 2012 9:31 AM CST reply actions  

Very well put

I’d also add that Adelman’s four out one in offensive sets really work with Love’s outside in scoring tendencies, hence the preferable shot selection.

T'Wolves 2012: Where A Is For Intangibles

by Malastare on Jan 27, 2012 10:27 AM CST reply actions  

I guess you have to put k-love 3rd now

Behind Dirk and Blake. It seems weird to even put him that high. Idk, he’s on a bad team now, once the team gets better his numbers will probably decline.

The only reason he’s even in the discussion for top PF is because of his rebounding. And those numbers might be inflated because of the team he plays on. His FG% is atrocious, I mean if I had to pick A player I’d pick Aldridge, Dirk, and Blake over Love. Maybe even Pau Gasol.

by forget on Jan 27, 2012 10:38 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Blake

Very overrated right now. I’m also not seeing how he has so much more room to grow than Love. Love’s better now, and I think he’ll have a better career.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 27, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you on Blake

I like him as a player and he is fun as hell to watch but the problem with his game is its based pretty much on how high he can jump and how fast he can move. He has to develop more skill. No matter how slow Love gets his skill set pretty much stays with him because he’s not very fast to begin with.

Although this is not to say Love is better than Griffin its a really tough topic right now. I hope these 2 develop a great rivalry in the playoffs cause that would be fun. But this time we have Tim Duncan and they have Garnett (well sort of)

“Quickness in small spaces anyone.” I feel that should be my new handle.

by Doug West Domination!!! on Jan 27, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

"the problem with his game is its based pretty much on how high he can jump and how fast he can move."

he’s shooting 58% from 10-15 feet this season. he has shown time and time again that he can lead a fast break and he’s got amazing handles for a big guy. his footwork has improved this season:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOxDQojQwJU

and were you able to see this the other night?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaC8WvWAHec

he rebounds, he can pass the ball, he can hit the mid range jumpshot, he is almost impossible to stop when he faces up, and as you can see from the video (and other videos out there) he has improved his footwork tremendously, which will probably lead to a better back to the basket game.

and of course, he’s the most athletic player in the game outside of lebron james. the sky’s the limit for this guy. he might go down as one of the best to ever play the game.

by forget on Jan 27, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Again

Just because he’s 7/12 from 10-15 this season doesn’t mean that’s something he does now. If anything it sounds like the mid-range game is something he avoids.

by BeasleBong on Jan 27, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

See Vince Carter

Yes they are different but once his athleticism faded he became a different player. I didn’t say I didn’t think Blake wasn’t very good and in fact I said I’m not sure who is better.

When it comes to getting position for a board, shooting, and passing love wins hands down however.

Blake does have good handles and is extremely athletic but still needs improvement before I feel he’s worthy of the credit he’s getting.

by Doug West Domination!!! on Jan 27, 2012 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

K-Love has sick passing skills.

but BG isn’t too shabby himself, and he averages more assists than Love.

i think the best guy to compare BG to is Amare. Amare relied on his athleticism for his first two seasons, but in year 3 he added his deadly mid-range jumper. If BG can add that, and get his FT% up to around 70%, he will be unstoppable, and will be a top 3 player in the NBA. He’ll be an amare that rebounds! the guy seems like a hard worker, theres no reason to think he can’t do that.

by forget on Jan 28, 2012 2:43 AM CST up reply actions  

why do you say he's overrated?

he’s about 1000x more athletic than love, so i would say he has a lot more room to grow.

by forget on Jan 27, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

because this isn't a track meet...it's basketball

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
If that doesn't work, cheat.

by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 27, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

you have to watch him play.

there’s more to his game than just dunks

by forget on Jan 27, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I have watched him play

He’s flashier, Love’s better.

Love has added weapons to his arsenal each offseason. There’s plenty of room for him to grow. Blake’s a fine player, but I don’t really see anything new in his skillset this year. Just because one guy’s more athletic doesn’t mean he has a higher ceiling.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 27, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

have you not seen his footwork?

his ball handling? his vision as a passer?

by forget on Jan 27, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I have watched him both years, yes

He’s fun to watch. He’s good. He looks pretty similar to last year. Also, the numbers don’t reflect this improvement you’re talking about in his footwork, ballhandling, and passing.

I’m not saying Griffin can’t grow. Just saying he’s going to have to grow to be as good as Love is right now. Plus, Love can grow plenty more, just like Blake.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 27, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

numbers don't tell the whole story. especially in terms of a person's skill.

i’m telling you, you have to watch the games. The impact he has the on the game is crazy. thats where you will see his ball handling, passing, and footwork in action. If you haven’t seen it, then you aren’t watching.

by forget on Jan 27, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

He's right

Numbers don’t tell the story like THNDRSLAMS

by BeasleBong on Jan 27, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

...

I’ve watched enough games to see that if Griffin isn’t being set up on a nice cut or fast break, he really isn’t effective. Maybe in a year or two but right now he does just about everything worse than Love except dunking/

90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 27, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

how do you know how many games I've watched?

The Clips are on national TV at least once a week man…

90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 27, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

i just told you

you don’t even acknowledge his face up game on the block.

by forget on Jan 28, 2012 3:15 AM CST up reply actions  

its nice

If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
.
or you're wrong

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 28, 2012 7:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I love this exchange . . .

“You have to watch the games.”
“I watch the games.”
“But really—you have to watch the games.”
“I watch the games.”
“I’m telling you you have to watch the games!”
“I watch the games.”

Epic.

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 27, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

If I had time

I would have left the “Don’t feed the trolls” picture up here.

by Ineffable on Jan 27, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

i can tell the people don't watch

because they don’t even know how he plays

you guys are saying he isn’t skilled even though he is able to break guys down off the dribble, he has the footwork to score down low with an assortment of step throughs and spin moves, and he averages 3 assists per game.

by forget on Jan 27, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Your omniscience is a thing of wonder.

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 27, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Kinda surprised...

You bring up Blake’s footwork, because it’s not good. Very mechanical, and not in tune with the rest of his body.

The rest, I agree on. His mid-range shot and passing are getting much better. But Love’s already there. And I think Love’s 3 ball gives him the edge. But if Blake were catching Rubi-oops? Ay yay yay…

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 27, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Blake?

The guy who shoots 50% from the line and can’t make a jumpshot? Aldridge maybe. Being flashy doesn’t get you bonus points.

Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second

by GWST11 on Jan 27, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

can't make a jumpshot?

he’s making 58% of his shots from 10-15 feet this season.

he does need to improve his foul shooting, if he gets it up to around 70% he’ll be golden.

by forget on Jan 27, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Please

If you’re quoting stats at least quote stats that matter. He takes .8 shots per game from 10-15. It’d be less than a 1 PPG difference if he improved to 100% from that range. He takes 4.6 shots from 16-23 and shoots 33% from there. Combined he shoots 1.9 of 5.4 from 10-23.

His problem isn’t the % (Love shoots 33% from there as well), it’s the frequency. He’s the most athletic player in the court at all times but he settles for way too many deep 2’s when those are the most useless shots in the game. Either extend your range to 3’s or do damage in the paint, because defenses love when you settle for 20 foot jumpers.

by BeasleBong on Jan 27, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

haha ok i didn't even think look at how many he attempted per game.

he needs to work on that jumper obviously. but think about how amare’s career progressed, he mastered the mid range jumper after 2 or 3 seasons in the league. blake is right on track to get there.

and BG shoots 52% from the field, so its not like he’s doing too horribly with shot selection.

by forget on Jan 27, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

Are you familiar with TS% or eFG%? Above you quoted Kevin Love as having a horrendous FG%, but use Blake’s as if it’s significantly better. eFG’s goal is to take 3P% and 3PA into play (because obviously a 3 is worth more than a 2). From that Griffin’s FG% goes from 52% to 52% while Love’s goes from 43% to 49%. TS% takes into account 3P% 3PA, as well as FT% and FTA, because the goal is to track how efficiently one scores, and it’s criminal to do that without free throws. Blake’s improvement only goes from 52% to 52% to 53% while Love’s improvement goes from 43% to 49% to 57%. Talking about Kevin Love without mentioning free throws or 3 pointers (using FG%) is like talking about Blake Griffin without mentioning athleticism (using youtube).

by BeasleBong on Jan 27, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

yes i am, and i think they are way overrated. There's a reason why we use actual FG% and not those.

Love is so limited in what he can do, he can’t score on his own. He can’t take over games like BG can. BG commands more double teams and more attention from opposing defenses than Love.

at the end of the day, Kevin Love will be a great player, but Blake Griffin will be a transcendent superstar.

by forget on Jan 27, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Why are they overrated?

Also, I hate to use these pesky numbers again… but according to the hoopdata stats which you tried using earlier, Blake Griffin’s baskets are assisted more frequently at every single level of scoring than Kevin Love’s. But some-crazy-how, Kevin Love can’t score on his own (even though he does, more frequently, at every single level of play than Blake Griffin). So if Love scores more frequently, scores more efficiently, and scores more often on his own than Blake Griffin, what does Griffin have again? Oh, right… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdmNu816Qvs Highlight reels.

by BeasleBong on Jan 27, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

See, no, he doesn't command more double teams

Have you noticed that teams have been daring him to take that midrange J of his? Yeah, great.

Neither are great defenders but Love has improved a lot more on that end than Griffin has.

90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 27, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe, I don't know

Did you ignore the Assist stuff above?

90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 27, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

If I were 15 years old I would avoid them, too.

Apparently selective reading can accompany selective hearing.

by Kyleb_82 on Jan 27, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, and did you know Delmon Young is a great baseball player?

Because he bats .290 and he can hit the ball a long ways. Ignore his OBP and OPS and his strikeouts because those are boring numbers :)

by Kyleb_82 on Jan 27, 2012 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

He's ignored everything

that has to do with disproving his superior eye-test.

Here’s another fun fact: Griffin and Love are strikingly similarly effective in the post, it’s just gone about differently. Griffin shoots 50% in the post, while Love shoots about 40%. They both draw fouls at a similar clip, however since Blake sucks at the line, they score at about the same clip (.86 points per play for Love to .85 points per play for Griffin). Griffin also turns the ball over 19% of his post possessions compared to Love’s 12%. Perhaps the reason Griffin “obviously” draws more double teams than Love is because the post is 30% of his possessions, while Love only uses it 20% of the time. Both guys are good in the post, but it is roughly the only thing Griffin is good at that doesn’t involve cuts and fast breaks.

Of course, Mr. Janitor, you would know all of this if you would just watch the games%

by BeasleBong on Jan 27, 2012 6:50 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I feel I wasted a response to forget after seeing his trolling responses.

My comment shouldn’t have gotten this long off of meaningless nonsense. Can we all forget forget?

by Doug West Domination!!! on Jan 27, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

since when is having a different opinion "trolling"?

i’m not attacking anyone here. I’m not saying anything bad about Kevin Love at all. if anything, you guys are attacking me lol. i’m just trying to have good debate over who’s better between love and BG (a debate i’m losing btw)…

by forget on Jan 28, 2012 2:48 AM CST up reply actions  

BG's better at scoring on the block

i think that much is obvious. It’s only when you factor in Love’s 3pt shooting and FT% that you can show that he’s a better all-around player.

is Love a guy that commands double teams down on the block? not really. However, his ability to stretch the floor kinda makes up for that.

by forget on Jan 28, 2012 3:25 AM CST up reply actions  

But besides Love

how many NBA players get routinely double teamed to block them out on rebounding?

Not knocking Blake. My love of Love is pure, and don’t need to trash talk others to build him up. I would absolutely and in a heartbeat trade for Blake Griffin (assuming the Clips would take Derrick Williams straight up).

Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!

by TMiss on Jan 28, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

SBJAKE rides again?

How many profiles does this kid have?

by SSOL (thats what she said) on Jan 27, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know who we're talking about that Love guarded.

They haven’t seen a lot of the top forwards yet, and Darko guarded most of the ones they have seen. Love was switched off Scola in the second half, due to ineffectiveness. I remember Tolliver doing most of the work on Dirk, with help from Randolph. Darko will certainly take Aldridge. I guess we’ll see what he does against Gasol, but I don’t see him taking on many of the big challenges successfully so far.

by Ray Williams? on Jan 27, 2012 12:17 PM CST reply actions  

Awesome, awesome job on this...

People just can’t seem to wrap their heads around how good this guy is. The reason Barkley keeps calling him the best PF in the world…he is Barkley! Not exactly the same, but same concept.

Barkley was totally undersized, but an athlethic freak. Love is just the right size, but athletically challenged. They both get/got by on positioning and guile…that’s why Barkley loves him…and me too. Only Kevin is already WAY better on D. This is his comp, only hopefully with at least 1 more championship.

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Jan 27, 2012 11:57 PM CST reply actions  

More than a banana sandwich

Kevin Love is a peanut butter and banana sandwich. He’s The Elvis.

He's Ricky Rubio. He’s not like anyone else.

by Facial on Jan 28, 2012 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

Kevin Love is a peanut butter and banana sandwich

fried in bacon grease with a Pliny the Elder chaser and Ben & Jerry’s for dessert

Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!

by TMiss on Jan 28, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

You evil human.

You just made me crazy hungry even though I’m out of bananas, I don’t eat dead animals, Pliny is near impossible for me to get, and I swore off Ben & Jerry’s years ago (too much Chunky Monkey makes a really fat Jason).

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 28, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

But shouldn't Kevin Love

be represented by all the good things we mere mortals dare not touch? (except for pig fat, of course, which I touch a lot)

Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!

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