Awesome Trade Idea!
by Rubi-OHHHH! on Jan 27, 2012 3:11 PM CST
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PrintSince a certain someone on this site has been openly lusting for Batum, I thought I would try to come up with a reasonable trade for him. Not sure they would want Williams straight up, but what if we did the following:
T-wolves get: Nicolas Batum, Robin Lopez
Suns get: Derrick Williams, Wes Johnson, Raymond Felton, Utah 1st
Blazers get: Steve Nash, Anthony Randolph
Who says no to that trade? Possibly the Suns, but they would be getting Arizona hero D-thrill, someone they wanted before the draft and a reason for Phoenix fans to show up despite Nash being gone.
(My first variation of this trade I had us getting Childress and Gortat instead of Lopez, which would help Phoenix get cheaper, but losing their two best players seemed a little gluttonous, this seemed more likely.)
What do you think? Would this get us Batum? Is it fair?
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What a horrible trade for the Wolves
by SharkKings49 on Jan 27, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
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What a horrible trade for the Wolves
by SharkKings49 on Jan 27, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
I would trade Williams for Batum in a half second
Batum is one of the most underrated players in the NBA. Williams is a PF. We have a pretty good PF. Time to balance this team out.
Get it done!
For the loser now
Will be later to win
Agreed.
I don’t think the Blazers do that deal, personally.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 27, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
I think you've overvalued Nash a little
Nash is almost 38 years old and I think (could be wrong here) that this is the last year of his contract.
nash?
Leading the league in assists, Shooting 53.5% from the floor averaging 14.5 points per game. Easily makes them a contender for the playoffs. hell if needed the Suns could also throw in Dudley, a good backup 2/3, all hustle on a cheap long term deal
No doubt he's a good player
Just seems like a slightly high price for a partial season rental. If I’m Portland I probably only do this if I think this gets me to the finals this year.
by TenderWolf on Jan 27, 2012 6:48 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Suns will in this trade easy
They give up an aging nash and get back Felton who is probably a better pg at this point. They also give up lopez for derrick williams and a first round pick? Not to mention, suns are getting an x factor in wes johnson.
Yeah, the suns won't get this much for Nash
Felton isn’t having a very good year in Portland, but even so there’s no way they’d get this kind of haul for Nash given his age and (I think) time left on his contract.
Good trade for the Wolves.
Good trade for PHX.
Only makes sense for POR if they think they can contend this year.
well they can't keep Batum anyway?
I mean they could match an offer sheet, but if they were willing to pay him 12 million a year they’d probably already have done that…
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batum commanding 12mil??
Too much inconsistent!!
by Souvik Roy Chowdhury on Jan 28, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
You don't abandon ship on Williams this quickly
He’s the #2 pick and is 18 games into his career. It would be foolish to trade him for so little right now. I like Batum, but the Wolves shouldn’t have to give up such an asset to get him, especially when he is an RFA this offseason.
Wow
I didn’t even see the Utah first included in there. So, the proposal from the Wolves end is Derrick Williams, Wes Johnson, and the Utah first for Batum and Lopez.
This would be an absolutely terrible, atrocious trade. They would be abandoning ship on their two most recent high draft picks, and giving up their best future asset, for Batum and Robin Lopez, the worse of the twins.
Why not just have the Wolves sign Batum in the offseason and they accomplish nearly the same thing (minus Lopez) and retain the pick, Williams, and Johnson.
Even then
I still wouldn’t from the Wolves perspective. Batum/Lopez would both be RFA’s at the end of the season. They could both leave, and Williams would have been traded for 3 months of Batum/Lopez.
sorry
supposed to be a reply to Will Smith above
RFA
means if the team wants to keep them they have the opportunity to match any deal that any other team throws at them. Therefore no they don’t just walk, and if Min really liked them after this year, they will just match the offer. If you are hesitant on giving up D-Will, how about Beasley instead?
I would MUCH rather see Beasley go with Williams
You shouldn’t trade an asset until you know exactly what you have. The Wolves aren’t sure what they have with Williams, and I don’t think he should be jettisoned so soon.
Beasley, Randolph, Wes Johnson…they’ve all shown what they are at this point. Its not too soon to move them.
Again, my main argument about making a trade like this is that the players can be acquired in 3 months anyway via RFA. Obviously, teams can match, but I would much rather see the Wolves with Batum AND Williams than one or the other.
Why the hell would PHX do that though?
Beasley is in the middle of the worst season of his career, and his career has decidedly gotten worse….he’s a free agent after the season and will probably ask for more money than he is worth.
The Williams trade would actually happen
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Suns
Do it because well we are having a terrible year with Nash and all we are doing keeping him is delaying rebuilding. Trading him gets is Beasley a guy who has a ton of talent(Suns #1 problem right now is lack of talent), and Felton a guy that could be the heir to Nash. Mike D.(our offence is still like his) loved Felton, and didn’t want to trade him. Felton is the only other PG that could be close to Nash. Aside from Rubio who looks good.
"Trading him gets is Beasley a guy who has a ton of talent"
At what point are words like “talent” and “potential” just nice ways of saying “massive disappointment”?
Beasley
Reminds me of Zach Randolph. both have loads of talent, and could put up big numbers when they mature. Randolph found it when he was traded. For the Suns, its worth the gamble for Beasley to live up to his potential.
Odds of Beasley living up to his potential in the rest of THIS season?
Pretty slim. And then Phoenix is stuck gambling if they think he’ll eventually get it.
intriguing
if only because I suspect Beaz’s potential would best be realized on a team that needed him to score a lot.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
But giving up Williams, Johnson, Utah #1, and Randolph
Just seems like WAY too much for Batum and Lopez, both of which could be obtained through FA.
Suns would probably do it for Beasley instead of Williams mainly because they get Felton to replace Nash, take a flyer on Beasley at PF and a first round pick for rebuilding. Nash is gone at years end, so really they would just be trading the final months of Nash for a proven player in Felton and a first rounder.
"But giving up Williams, Johnson, Utah #1, and Randolph"
100% agree.
Thats why I think the real possible trade is:
Beasley, and Randolph for Batum and Lopez.
Johnson is a throw in.
Randolph I’ll be surprised if we resign him. Adelman doesn’t appear to be a fan. Kevin Love is absolutely dying playing too many minutes and AR can;t get off the bench.
I agree we're essentially giving up Williams and Utah's #1
I’ve never been terribly enamored of either Lopez brother though I think Robin would be a solid pickup but I’m unclear on his contract situation. He should be due to be extended but I didn’t hear if he was or not. If we could get Gortat that would be a steal.
Why don't we skip the trade
and sign Batum and Lopez as free agents this summer?
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Because
You can’t guarantee signing them. They are Restricted, so the home team could match. There is more risk waiting.
There is a strong chance neither teams match
If POR wanted to pay Batum they would have extended him already. you drop 4/48 on Batum and he is likely yours.
PHX has Gortat who is better and cheaper than Lopez will be
Fair to excellent chance you can get both of them.
That’s my only real critique with this trade, no real need to get either through trade.
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True
but why not do the trade? You get the players now, and YOU get to do the matching. This gives the FA more controll when it comes to offering the contract. Also all your giving up is players that are also RFA so your giving up players you are gunna loose anyways. Its a win-win.
If its the trade you proposed...
then yes, its just RFAs. In the deal that the post is about, they are dumping Johnson under contract, Williams under contract, and a future #1. It just seems like too much to get the right to match for Batum, rather than just trying to sign him in the offseason.
Well I'm a big Williams fan for 1
Maybe the biggest
so anyway to get awesome players without giving up Williams I am for.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
That's what I don't get about it
all things equal this is a fine trade for the Wolves.
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