Love, Rubio and a Bunch of Guys beat the Spurs-Report Card 1/27
by VoodooMagic on Jan 27, 2012 10:28 PM CST
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Clutch exists; Ricky Rubio and Kevin Love are two clutch brothers.
After Derek Williams was checked out in the 4th, leaving the Wolves with the lead in hand, the Wolves soon mysteriously found themselves down by two 79-77 with about 3 minutes let. That is when the leaders of the band took over and they never looked back. Rubio with 4 and Love with 4 in the final 3 minutes.
This was a sweet game to watch, Rick and Love Rocked the whole game and about 90 other players played for the Wolves, or so it seemed, and most of them contributed.
Let's see how it all shakes out in the Voodoo Magic grades!!!!
Now before I get started I realize I have a history of being one of the more optimistic characters that post on CH. That's cool, it's how I roll, it's kind of an outlook I bring to all area's of life and it's worked out pretty well for me. I will however try to do this as professionally as possible and give some semblance of a real grading scale for this team.
Kevin Love--- A+: KLova Lova possibly played a perfect game. I get that in comments sections I can be a little tough on Love, while I tend to go out of my way to highlight the "better" games some of our lesser players have. I think I just have very high standards for Love, standards which he helped set in my mind. The brother is a top 12 player minimum maybe higher and he played like it tonight.
I do think he is most effective when he is scoring a little less than 25 ppg. I'm willing for this to be a bad-take if I'm proven wrong in time, but I do believe that ultimately Love's game will probably be at it's absolutely most effective closer to 20 ppg. My reasoning is that he does appear to be developing some "shot-happiness" to his game, if anyone's earned on this team it's him obviously, but I still don't know if that's his game. Tonight was a flawless night in my estimation from Love. Not that he's had too many bad games, but for me this game stood out as just fantastic basketball
Ricky Rubio--A+: Rubio owns. I don't really know what has to be said. He killed this game, he is an absolute mercenary on the court. Hoping he can take a page out of TParker's book and get those floaters going. He might be ungaurdable if that happens
Nikola Pekovic--A: If Darko plays another minute for this basketball team I might go down to Target Center and....have a very pleasant conversation with Rick. Pekavic is developing into a legitimately good NBA basketball player. Is he a starting center yet? I don't know and I don't know if he ever will be a slam dunk starter...but the dude has been killing it. It's nice to have a center that at least does something well and does it consistently...and the extra rebounds don't hurt either. While Pek will probably never block 7 shots in a game it looks as though he plays good team ball and eats up about a square mile of land in the post on defense. He seems to be getting better. Is this coaching? Was he always a good baller? Maybe a combo of the two...but he's improving and it's fun to see us actually have an asset improve.
Wes Johnson--B-: Is this my most rippable grade yet? We'll see. Wes is becoming a very good "off-the-ball" player. His shooting is about as delinquent as any NBA wing I've seen in quite sometime, but he as well appears to be receptive to some coaching. I don't have any numbers to back this up, but I would bet money he has more shots at the rim in his last 3 starts than the entire season before combined. He played solid defense and moved the ball well on top of it.
Luke Ridnour--B: I'm only going B because it didn't really seem like any aspect of his game stood out one way or the other too me.
Michael Beasley--C: Beasley picked up right were he left off. Same old guy, some of those first quarter shots were nice though
Derek Williams--A++++++++++++++++(Okay in reality I'm going B+): Good game for my main man Thrilla. I loved seeing the shot chart where it was all but like 3 shots where at the rim. Guy spent a lot of time driving from the perimeter this game....If he can get that damn 3 point shot to start dropping we could really see some high point totals out of him. Most of you all know my stance on Thrill so I'll keep it short and sweet.....but he theoretically gives us exactly what we need to pair with Love for a scoring punch....
I will say though that what bugs me most about Williams is how much of a rookie he is (sounds stupid but hang with me), it seems like some very non-professional things mess with his game, Dallas was a good example of how his damn shoes kept coming undone...and then in this game he had a crystal clear drive and lost the ball off of a guys knee....just stupid crap that a professional shouldn't really do. I'm hoping it's a rookie thing, it has to be, but we'll see.
Anthony Randolph--C: Didn't really play, don't know why I went with C....I know I throw out a lot of fake trades....but the one I absolutely think we need to do is just like trade Randolph for a draft pick...like to Boston or something....just to clear a roster space up. Adleman clearly is bored with him. One thing that annoyed me a little bit was that Adleman seemed to not mind playing Randolph/Beasley/Williams together and I remember saying to myself "why the hell doesn't he do Love/Williams/Beasley together?" from my estimation Love is the best defensive player of the 4 so it can't be a defensive issue....
BRING THE PAIN Wayne Ellington B-: Didn't really think he mattered a whole lot one way or the other
Martell Webster B: Good to see him back in action....There is a lot of ability in that baller. I get that he has played 90000 minutes or something, but man....feels like he should be better than he is with that ability
This is becoming a good team. I'm hoping we can get to .500 here in a few games. Also hoping this report card went okay, tried to keep it pretty real but get my VooDude on as well.
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With a report card like this
We might see the team bus headed to Chucky Cheese tomorrow to cash in on some free tokens.
by fanslaststand on Jan 27, 2012 10:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I'm I just handing them out?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 27, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
Am I*
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 27, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
I was just going for the easy joke.
Grades are pretty fair tho. I like how we have Rubio/Love going each night and then we have a special guest contribution from someone else.
by fanslaststand on Jan 27, 2012 10:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well you did say you were an optimist.
Good read awesome title it’s often how I feel about this team. 2 guys and a truck full of other random guys.
by Doug West Domination!!! on Jan 27, 2012 10:39 PM CST reply actions
It was rotation city
there were always a few guys in doing something….good coaching was obvious in this game
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 27, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
For sure
Not when I could last say that coaching was a reason we won. Partly because we never won anything too.
by Doug West Domination!!! on Jan 28, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
2 guys
and a truck full of Pek
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 27, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
Pek
is two trucks full of Pek.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 27, 2012 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
That's actually a perfect
Summation of how the game went. Pek was beastly to say the least.
by Doug West Domination!!! on Jan 28, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
If you find yourself annoyed at how lenient I am
You should talk to me after I watch a movie….Pretty much like everything
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
you, sir
need to go and rent Hawken’s Breed
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 27, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
Peter Fonda is a bizarre actor
lol. That looks very “Room-esque”
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 27, 2012 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
like RR
Hawken’s Breed is not like any movie else
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 27, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
Haha I'm working on a retreat starting tomorrow
so I’m offline for a few days…when I get back I’ll see if I can dl it
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 27, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
Pek deserves two As!
Actually this is a fair assessment, I think. I was going to joke earlier about how you’d handle D-Will, and you handled that with humor and good sense. Good write-up.
PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKK!
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
I'm pretty self-aware
I open myself to a fair amount of criticism with the style of fan I choose to be: I’m an optimist, I make bold predictions and stick by them till they die,former jock that plays the "back when i played’ card too much, love potential, don’t back everything up with stats….but I always come back to the fact it’s just the NBA and I’m toeing the line between nerd and loser daily so I shouldn’t take it all too seriously.
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 27, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
im a little ticked
Youngblood credited Pek with Wes’s block on Donecan. Pek only gets the assist on the block.
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 27, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
beast can not return to the starting lineup
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 27, 2012 10:55 PM CST reply actions
What I said about Randolph
I’d also be cool with Beasley. Just trade him for a draft pick (even a protected one) just to clear some roster space up
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 27, 2012 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
i think you need the scoring off the bench
But he’s a ball stopper with a first unit that likes to move the ball
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 27, 2012 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
SnP said
the Wolves were hot after Mayo
If they were to get him I think we’d be able to drop the Beast
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 27, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
I get the feeling
that when Beasley attempts a pass and it doesn’t go well/lead to an assist he says to himself “I pass the ball for this sh%t?”
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 27, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
i think he's a legend in his own mind.
He is however world famous in certain parts of the country.
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 27, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
in his defense
#1: chuckD was right about one thing – when he does get it in his mind to attack the rim, rather than settle for a long 2, he never gets a call
#2: that was a sweet spin move in the first half. He missed, of course. But when he does a move like that, I’m always thinking, “Dude – do that EVERY TIME.”
Of course, he’s probably thinking “But I’m always open from 19 feet!”
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 27, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
his issue is style, not substance
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 27, 2012 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
or the reverse?
He’s got style (though slightly less style than during his samurai phase last year), but is in need of the substance
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 27, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
he has the tools.
His style of play is not conducive to winning basketball. Frankly, I think he’s better off playing 4, but the Wolves already have an above average player starting there.
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 27, 2012 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
yup, just semantics
we agree. I was actually a little disappointed – it looked like s step back from the baby steps forward we saw from Bease, pre-injury, where he was grabbing rebounds and showing some energetic D. Wasn’t he watching the last 10 games? Tonight was return of Chuckie (the chucker)
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 28, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
Beasley really didn't look comfortable last night
I think he realized more than even his critics that he wasn’t meshing with our offense. So long as he’s aware, there’s a chance Adelman can get to him.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
How long is Adelman's rope?
It feels like He’s still giving Beas a chance to be the scorer Beas thinks he is. But Michael isn’t so sure anymore and he’s just throwing the ball at the basket not shooting it, much like a pitcher who’s just throwing and not pitching. The problem is Beasley is not a passer, he does not see the floor the way a guard does. He sees himself as the end of every play. That may have worked through his college career but he’s not exceptional enough to pull it off in the NBA. He’s torn between “Yes I can, I will be a star,” determination and “I’ve got to adapt (scary.)” He still has plenty of size, skills, and athleticism but he really needs to round and then refocus his game. Voodo may be right that that may not happen here in Mn.
SA has a bunch of guys who were not high pics who were willing to be molded. Mn has some guys who were led to believe they were very special.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 28, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
I thought he looked pretty comfortable, but I guess that's pretty subjective.
My surprise was how comfortable the team seemed with his ball stopping. They’d all just clear out and watch the show. I hated it.
by Madison Dan on Jan 28, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
its a good point
He’s so incredibly talented and his mates know that and respect him. Love…to paraphrase, “he’s my guy, he’s going to have a big year”.
It’s just that he and his alpha mentality doesn’t fit with this team.
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 28, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
I agree.
If they have to use him, the way they did it last night seems best (bench scorer, not in at crunch time). I don’t whether “showcasing for a trade” ever really happens, but that thought did cross my mind last night.
by Madison Dan on Jan 28, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
needs to embrace
the “zeta” mentality.
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 28, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
That was an insane attempt.
He had to be thinking, “Hey, Rubio gives us magic powers to throw the ball through humans. I’ll try that out!”
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 27, 2012 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
Pek has always been a baller
You can’t put up numbers like he did in Europe for years without being able to play a little bit. Advanced stats loved him for years before he came over.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nikola-Pekovic-1047/stats/
He needed/still needs time to learn how to play a different style of post (less banging, defensive three seconds, etc.). But you don’t forget how to score and Pek has always known how to score efficiently.
by Spouting Opinions on Jan 27, 2012 11:02 PM CST reply actions
Yep, it's confirmed. Pek is awesome.
I wonder how long it will be before this shirt fuses to my flesh. Months? Years?
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 27, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
He's even a fair-ish defensive player
more of a space clogger/impossible to get around than a traditional fly swatter….but it’s something. he’s good enough in the post and at rebounds that even fair defense will be fine
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 27, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
My favorite play of the night was on a pick and role where Pek got switched out on Parker.
Parker pulled back, did a hesitation step, started his first step to blow by Pekovic and then just stopped and backed it out and passed the ball off. At first I was like WTF?? My buddy turned to me and said “he had him beat, but I don’t think he wanted the foul that was coming”. I don’t know if it that was what really happened, but it sure looked like Parker just decided it wasn’t worth it.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
by Airete on Jan 27, 2012 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
haha
I wonder if it’s the same thing as Madison Dan’s “block intimidation” factor he was talking about the other day….Pek will lead to a lot of long two’s just cause no one wants to get fouled by him
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 27, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
Pek really put the wood to Duncan.
And who gets away with that?
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 27, 2012 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
Was this after
the Parker drive to the hoop with Pek on the low post waiting, and Parker ending up 6ft off the court on his butt? Intimidation.
www.unleashkevinlove.com
refs are starting to lighten up on him, as well
which is good to see
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 27, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
he's paid his dues
every NBA newbie who doesn’t have a ton of hype needs to go through a year or so of getting zero respect.
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
If that doesn't work, cheat.
by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 28, 2012 6:19 AM CST up reply actions
+1
We saw it with Love, now with Pek
90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 28, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Was at the game, and the same thought came in my head about love being most effective
I feel like when he has a lot of points, the guy has taken a lot of shots. I don’t have any real hard evidence…just an eye ball test of the box score. But 17-20ppg seems perfect for the guy. He’s a great shooter, and tonight I feel like was the perfect kind of game for him. Play within the offense, hit the shots when it is presented to him. He’s great at the end of the game because, he can make shots, and isn’t afraid to be fouled, because he knows he’ll knock in both free throws. Rubio…kid is ridiculous… :)
Ridnour is also a fantastic shooter, but tonight I could tell when he would make it and wouldn’t just by his placement with his defenders. If he was open and had a clear shot, he’s always money. Just hit the open shot baby, don’t do anything more.
Derrick Williams had a much better game, not settling for as much jumpers, driving to the hoop etc. I remember when he played the Heat and other teams early in the year, he always seemed to travel. But he’s starting to get past the learning curve. Unleash the THRILLA!
Pek….so freaking efficient. He’s learning.
Martell man…guy is explosive from just seeing him trying to dunk the ball.
Good job on the report card…love that this is catching on.
Probably have to say the part of the game that gave me chills was when Rubio did his best Jared Allen impression by waving the fans to stand up. The place went nuts. I love this kid. Good grading, I feel like everyone deserved a good grade.
I love the unicorn and Klove… I love this team, here’s too good times
by coolminnesota on Jan 27, 2012 11:07 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
You are now the Antoine Walker of Hooups
by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 27, 2012 11:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I was semi-hoping for a loss
as wins are too damn hard for me to be partial
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 27, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
did you do a wrap?
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 27, 2012 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
this made me laugh..
I was actually wondering if Voodoo’s alphabet goes past C. All joking aside thanks for doing the report card Voodoo, and thanks SnP for bumping these to the front page so they can see more eyes.
The only band I listen to is ABBA
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 28, 2012 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
actually 7 hours
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by Tangerine dream on Jan 28, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Excellent.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 28, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
they can never be too good
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 27, 2012 11:10 PM CST reply actions
great work
but what’s Adelman’s grade?
Also, I would LOVE to see Pek at the all-star Rookie-Soph game. Probably a pipe dream, but…how awesome would that be?
"Can someone please help me out, who did wolves pick, doesnt look too positive around here"
by Rasho Revolution on Jan 27, 2012 11:17 PM CST reply actions
Adleman A
rotations where great. Not sure why Tolly didn’t play and obviously I want more Thrill….but he caught everyone the right rest and got the right players out there at the right times.
I loved seeing how much confidence he had in Wes in the 4th. Basically Wes was out there for that 1 block he had and Adleman stuck him in the corner….cause you don’t need 5 shooters/scorers on the floor when it’s a 2 point game in the 4th….you need 2 bad ass players on offense
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 27, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
Tolly's struggled a little lately.
His TO rate is up and his rebounding is down. Still really enjoy him, but it’s been a rough patch for him.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
He was resting his sore wrist
he will play against Lakers, no doubt about it
"This city is ready to explode. You can feel it." - Kevin Love
Good write up.
I admit I pretty much plan to say that every time becauseI appreciate the write ups in general and recognize that some amount of work goes into it.
That said- entertaining post and fair grades. With a win like that I say A’s all around.
I do think it's funny
that after I get done saying “I’m an optimist but I will trying to create some semblance of a real grading scale” my very first grade is A+ for Love….
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 27, 2012 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
VooDoo,loved the post
But have to admit i was a bit dissapointed that you hadn’t worked any trades into the grades. How about Dthrill and Luke for D Howard? Insane I know, but If we post it often enough,mmaybe it will come true?
Ricky is lobbing at an Ooptimal level!
I could spell mississippi with all the double letters;
Excuse tablet typing, it’s not a skillset for me presently.
Ricky is lobbing at an Ooptimal level!
I'm looking into getting something like that
whether it’s a tablet or Ipad deal….is it possible to do actual work on those with the type? or does that end up slowing you down when doing work?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
As an actual work related device, iPads aren't ideal
the virtual keyboard is, of course, lousy at tactile feedback. As a ham-fisted hunt-and-peck typist that is challenging enough. But just to make things more interesting, the keys you hit don’t always register with the software! I’ve heard that this may be due to software or processor usage, but don’t have any more info than than that.
For everything else the device is pretty amazing, and has considerably cut down on the amount of time I spend at my desktop.
There are apps that allow for Flash video playing, for wireless printing, for work with Microsoft Office files, and just about anything you can come up with.
I would recommend a wireless keyboard if you are doing actual work on a tablet, the $70 will be worth the hair you don’t yank from your scalp!
Ricky is lobbing at an Ooptimal level!
I end up going on a lot of retreats
And working at camps and such and lap tops are just not efficient….while I don’t always need one, the ability to organize a schedule or lesson plan while working mobile does come up
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 28, 2012 11:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
A tablet would likely be useful for that sort of thing,
and you do have a more portable device to lug around. If you are doing more intensive word processing though, I’d recommend an ultrabook/Macbook Air. The 11" models are still very portable. The downside, of course, is needing an internet connection for some things and the price which is nearly stratospheric!
Ricky is lobbing at an Ooptimal level!
this is what I'm going to have to go for.. an ultrabook I think, but I will wait six months until prices come down..
I just can’t handle the lack of a keyboard on the Ipad.
I would contend that Pek is about the same skill level he was when he got here
Its just that tonight he got a ton of minutes, he’s gotten used to NBA rules a bit more (refs were more lenient with him than usual tonight), and the refs are getting used to his game and size.
90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic
the report card...
was extremely generous, but it was such a positive win, you’re allowed. There’s a lot to be said for a “half full” attitude… it’s sure been working for the Timberwolves. They really do seem a team that expects to not only compete now, but to win. To win! Is that not a whole new attitude? It starts with RickA and Love, but it manifests most completely in the on court leadership of Rubio. Ricky is the consummate court general. He directs the offense with no uncertainity, telling (telling mind you… and this a twenty one year old rook) guys exactly where to be. And if they’re not there, he points out who and where and sends them there. During lulls or TO’s he constantly talking to guys and getting things straight. This is a true court general. I’m glad he’s that young though, ‘cause if RA’s going to have him on the floor for 40plus minutes a night, which it looks like he might, he’ll need the youthful legs. The Wolves are just so much more dynamic when Ricky’s out there, how can Adelman not play him max minutes? Plus, the dude is clutch. To think that his “pass first” demeanor hasn’t had an effect on everyone, well it’s just inconceivable.
On to other things… is Pek an NBA starting center? Well he wouldn’t be your first choice, but I have to admit he’s growing on me. He actually seems to be improving game by game with the chance to play. Probably won’t lead the league in blocked shots anytime soon, but he nevertheless is without question an imposing figure in the lane. And he’s significantly more… I don’t know if “agile” really applies, but he’s at least more mobile than I at first thought. Early on he seemed somewhat befuddled by some of Rubio’s passes, but I think he’s getting it. Suffice to say we could do worse.
The glut at power forward needs to be addressed. I thing Tolliver’s ego can deal, (he’s always the first off the bench to encourage the guys playing) but too much bench time might wreak havoc with the tender sensibilities of AR and MikeB. I’d say just play Beasley at the three… but he’s got to get over the “ball stopper” thing. I don’t know, MB looked less than thrilled, even when the victory was all but assured. And AR always looks depressed, so you can’t be positive about how he’s feeling. MB can be a scoring machine when he gets going, I just don’t know if he’ll ever buy completely into a “let’s move the ball around” dynamic. I don’t know, I just hope they can figure things out.
Webster was a pleasant surprise. Got a couple of boards, made a three, missed a dunk. He had energy, which is always welcome. Considering how long it’s been since he’s played when it counted, he did pretty well. For being around the league six years he’s logged only minor time, and he’s still fairly young. I hope he stays healthy.
If the Wolves do trade someone, I just hope that whoever they obtain in return “gets it”. Right now the majority of the team seems to, and it would be a shame to mess with that chemistry, regardless of how attractive the player brought in might seem to be.
Wow. two words...
Paragraphs…and
Fan Post
I can’t even imagine how to read this mess….
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
try
Left to right and one sentence at a time.
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 28, 2012 7:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Great win
Don’t have much to add – lots of good comments already.
Re: Pek – seems like his per-minute rebounding #s were a bit weak in Europe – so I don’t expect that from him. Would be wonderful if that changed for some reason in the NBA.
However, he has a long history of highly efficient post scoring. Now that he seems to have absorbed the NBA rule and officiating differences that were keeping him off the court, he is able to show it. Other than Love’s newly developed moves, Pek is the team’s only real source of post up scoring. Darko is too inefficient down there. And Pek seems willing to pass out when he doesn’t have an advantage. He did that tonight several times, one of which (I believe) led to a wide-open Rubio 3.
Go Wolves vs. LA. Just for once I’d like to see Kobe’s sneer wiped off his face, and for Fish to not shoot way, way more accurately than vs. other teams.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
Pek was never a great weak side defender or rebounder
but he was always a beast in the paint. He has a slow lift and could be blocked by more athletic opponents but when he seals position, it s a score… Given playing time he could averge about 5-6 rebounds and 12 – 15 ppg.
Fisher's currently shooting 36% overall
and 30% from 3. If his old ass starts hitting shots tomorrow night, I’ll be annoyed.
deal
CH has ruined basketball discussion with me and my non-CH lurker friends so I’m always down to talk hoops
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
A friend
this morning was talking to me about how he is getting into basketball stats but it was mostly trends as a team in the last 10 games and stuff like that. So I busted out the advanced stats like WS, eFG%, PER, all those kinds of things and lost him pretty quickly. I don’t know if I should thank CH or curse it for doing that to me.
i'm dumb
i still don’t understand what those stats exactly mean.
http://www.davechisholmmusic.com
by davechisholm on Jan 28, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Don't demean yourself
I am still lost about a number of things on here but the more you read the more you learn. There are some people on here that can create elaborate charts and graphs that “prove” many things using advanced maths and then there are people like me what are just starting to use some of the advanced stats that other people have created already. Somebody must be able to give a good link (someone already did in another thread or two) to a site that explains some of these things better than I can.
I'm still a far-below-average contributor here on CH..
…but I can crush my friends in most basketball related discussions. It’s funny, now they come to me asking about their favorite teams and players “Hey Mike, what do you think of player X for player Y…?”
CH is methadone.
Although, in my defense...
…this year, things are looking better. My
- comments/24 are way up
- response rate is improving
- reply fails/typos/grammatical errors are decreasing
- ‘unicorn’ references are way up
- I bought a white Rubio jersey, blue Love jersey, and a Pek shirt (w0rd, CJ)
- visits to basketball-reference are up to 2/week
- I got my first ‘Rec’-ed post(!)
by Boss10 on Jan 28, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I'm going to tomorrow night's game,
and I’ll be wearing the Pek shirt. Also, I just saw this tweet from Twolvesnow:
Look for Pekovic to start at center for T-Wolves tomorrow vs. Lakers if Milicic still ill. Milicic not at practice today.
This could be epic.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 28, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder if Darko is playing hookey so Pek can get some starts
The are really good friends…
90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 28, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
When it comes to stats,
I’m the guy who didn’t zip his fly. But I don’t care because others here distill it all for me. Thank you Canis Hoopus.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 28, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice bit of positivity
Well earned, because that was a very impressive win. Lots of fun numbers – in particular only 2 three pointers made by the Wolves. We can win games without hitting a ton of deep shots, which is a great sign. I personally thought the Wolves had this all the way because we forced SAS to shoot jumpshots, and we were double their points in the paint to show for it. Good win.
T'Wolves 2012: Where A Is For Intangibles
Also I think I might have made @canishoopus
#validation #ihatehashtags
T'Wolves 2012: Where A Is For Intangibles
Three starters with double doubles.
(Don’t know how to look up the stats for that, but I bet it has been a long time since that has happened for the wolves.)
Rubio is third in the league in both APG and STPG; Love is fourth in the league in PPG and second in the league in RPG.
I voted for the all star game today and was able to put in two wolves without being a homer: I go off of production so far this season, as measured by Wins Produced. That gives me a starting lineup for the West of Love, Harden (not sure why they classify him as a forward), Marc Gasol, Lowry, and Rubio. (Well, there is a small pinch of homer: Rubio is tied with Nash with 2.6 wins. If Harden was in with the guards, Rubio would have just missed the cut — Harden taking his place and Durant getting the SF slot. East: James, Chandler, Iguodala, Calderon, and Ray Allen.)
Surprisingly
Big Al, Darko, and Love all had DDs 2 seasons ago vs Kings
"This city is ready to explode. You can feel it." - Kevin Love
updated report card list.. let me know if you want to do one
1/29 LAL – already taken by triple B
1/30 Houston – already taken by MIchael Boosalis II
2/1 Indiana – already taken by gastrovan
2/3 NJ – already taken by Michael Boosalis
2/4 Houston – already taken by Jones the Cat
2/7 Sacramento – already taken by Google..
2/8 Memphis
2/10 Dallas – already taken by Darth Paxton
2/11 New York
2/13 Orlando – already taken by Malastare
2/15 Charlotte – already taken by ol’ weird harold
2/17 Houston – already taken by Michael Boosalis II
2/19 Philadelphia
2/20 Denver
2/22 Utah
2/28 LA Clippers
2/29 LA Lakers
My observation on Pek:
Pek did some major work down low today, most noticebly on the offensive boards. It was AWESOME seeing someone else not named Love knocking the Spurs players around to contest for boards. Even when he wasn’t able to gather the ball, it was obvious he was making his presence felt. Also, his dunks were pretty awesome too! Darko, TAKES NOTES.
Lols just chill.
Darko, quit basketball
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I think Adelman will enjoy
alternating Pek and Darko as starters depending on who we’re playing. Two guys we need to keep, imho.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
Offense and Defense, it seems
Though Pek has been pretty solid at D and rebounding in the past game or two
90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 28, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Sometimes you feel like a shot blocker
sometimes you don’t
It’s nice to have this option, especially with a great passing center like Brad Miller on the bench
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
Morning After Observations
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2012.html
WES JOHNSON IS NOW IN POSITIVE WS/48 TERRITORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The noticeable steady improvement in his play is not just something I have been seeing, he’s gone from unplayable to bad in just about 2 short weeks
If you include Tolly, Randolph and Ellington who are all about a good game away from being over .1 we have a whole team of solid, contributing players.
If we could move Beasley or Darko and a pick for Mayo and then move Beasley or Randolph in a seperate move (to like Boston) for another pick just to clear up some roster glut, then get Barea and the gang all healthy…we could make the playoffs easily
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
Mayo is having a little resurgence here
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mayooj01.html
btw has anyone checked out before what OJ stands for?
Maybe I should rephrase that….has anyone here been able to pronounce what OJ stands for?
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
yeah haha
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
My fav post game quotes of the night
I think I’m close with these paraphrases:
Pek on why the Wolve’s are playing better. “All the guys are playing to 100% of their possibilities”. I know it’s a language thing but I like it.
Q. Lewis said after piling on the Rubio love ended with “that’s why he’s such a darling to watch”. A darling? :) Hey, I kid but I totally get that too!! I can’t get enough Rubio.
great Pek quote
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
If we got Batum we'd have such a bomb international team
Pek, Batum, Rubio??
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
I forgot him already
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
There is a saying in serbian
i ll try to translate it literally: From your mouth to Gods ears… :-)))
It's not like Darko hasn't had good coaching though
SVG, Larry Brown are both good coaches.
I give Ellington, Johnson, Pek, those guys who only knew Rambo are guys that can improve under RA….but Darko….he’s had some solid coaches in his career already
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 28, 2012 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
As I said elsewhere
If the Knicks had gotten Rubio and got him over here earlier, they could have turned Ricky into the Darko of PGs.
I think by June a lot of CHers will be OK with Darko and even Wes. Beasley I’m less sure of, mainly because Bease looked less sure last night.
IT TAKES TIME FOR THE GREATEST TEAM ON EARTH TO COME TOGETHER!
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
I don't agree. Different mentality...
Rubio has selfconfidence…. He is a fighter, he will suceed anywhere.
Very self confident
but I think playing with selfish/no-D players in NYC could have broken his spirit.
He’s come into the perfect opportunity in MN: win-hungry athletic team with promising players. This is a team that will just keep growing and getting better.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
Slow Learners?
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 28, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Tmiss.. don't give up on Beas after one game back..
you’re one of the only people beating the “give Beas time with RA” drum with me.. I can’t do this alone, particularly with Voodoo leading the Beas lynch mob.
I still have hope
but there was no mistaking the look in Beasley’s eyes last night. The team has move on without him, and he needs to figure out how to contribute. I’m just glad he seems to realize this.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
I was reluctant to disparage Wes for a long time,
When I finally gave up on him he seemed to improve. I really like Beasley but I’m not cutting him any slack anymore, he either starts to shoot daggers or looking like a “team player.” I always say I’m not superstitious, but…If Wes, Ellington and Williams keep contributing and improving and Beas is just the same old Beas, I don’t see how he gets much playing time, especially if Webster is hitting his threes.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 28, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
larry brown buried Darko
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 28, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Darko buried Darko
when he decided to come to NBA so young. He was imature and inexperienced back than. If he stayed in Europe for a season or two he would be much better. (sorry if my english is bad)
Don't worry about your English. It's fine.
It’s great to get a perspective from your part of the basketball world.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 28, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Sir Pastyear
Another one of those wins that when looking at the opponent you may not expect. But there they go again. It’s going to take some time to change our pregame perspective, but there just aren’t many teams they can’t beat on a given night.
Wolves 2011-12: Crossing the Rubikahn....alea iacta est...... " et tu Ricky?"
by Tangerine dream on Jan 28, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Right you are
Two very impressive wins in a row. This is what makes fandom so addictive. After games like this it feels like they can only lose if they beat themselves.
I find it ironic that the Wolves now have a triangle: Ricky, KLove, and the Adelman & Company leadership team. It is such a powerful force in every game. The others are struggling to join in and completely destroy my predictions. I love it.
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 28, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
I would have to agree
He seems like he just doesn’t care.
90% of the crap I say on here is sarcastic
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 28, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
about different perspectives:
Year ago i didn’t even dream that all those complex statistic exists. :-)
new updated report card list.. get em' while their hot
1/29 LAL – already taken by triple B
1/30 Houston – already taken by MIchael Boosalis II
2/1 Indiana – already taken by gastrovan
2/3 NJ – already taken by Michael Boosalis
2/4 Houston – already taken by Jones the Cat
2/7 Sacramento – already taken by Google..
2/8 Memphis – already taken by Matt Leisen
2/10 Dallas – already taken by Darth Paxton
2/11 New York – already taken by MAYNHOLUP
2/13 Orlando – already taken by Malastare
2/15 Charlotte – already taken by ol’ weird harold
2/17 Houston – already taken by Michael Boosalis II
2/19 Philadelphia
2/20 Denver
2/22 Utah
2/28 LA Clippers
2/29 LA Lakers
sorry...
Being new to CH I didn’t realize that lengthy comments were frowned on in this section. I didn’t mean to gush, I guess I was just carried away by the win. If I feel that long-winded again I’ll do the Fan Post. As to paragraphs… they’re there, they just weren’t separated by spaces. Apologies.
No worries.
The only thing we do better at CH than talk basketball is give each other shit.
(But yeah, clear paragraphs would be a good idea.)
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 28, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah man long comments are cool, just use spaces
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
.
or you're wrong
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 28, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
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