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Wanting more than cute

The LA Lakers entered the game against Our Beloved Puppies with a 1-7 record away from Staples Center. They were playing on the 2nd night of a back-to-back after losing to the Milwaukee Bucks in a tilt where Kobe Bean Bryant played 42 minutes on a pair of knees that is approaching 50,000 minutes of regular season, playoff, and Olympic wear and tear.

Our Beloved Puppies were coming off of a 2 game winning streak against teams who have given them fits over the past 5-7 years (and, let's face it, long before that) and were in a position to reach .500 after the New Year for the first time since Dwane Casey led the team to a 20-20 record on the night of January 22, 2007.

The starting lineup for that Minny squad over 5 years ago was Kevin Garnett, Ricky Davis, Trenton Hassell, Mark Blount, and Mike James. Randy Foye and Craig Smith were the top reserves. Deron Williams, Mehmet Okur, Derrick Fisher, and Carlos Boozer led the Jazz to the 106-91 victory that sent the up-and-down Wolves on a decidedly down downturn and...well, you know the rest.

One of the worst things in all of the NBA is watching your favorite team play a home game against the Lakers only to see a bunch of kids in new purple Laker jerseys and unbent Laker ballcaps root for Kobe Bean Bryant and his squad of goons. In the post-KG era this spectacle has become even more notorious at 600 First Avenue, as the Wolves have rarely been something to root about. Also, what kind of douche-nozzle stands up and yells "all damn day!" over and over again every time Kobe scores a bucket? These are the type of people attracted by the Laker machine, even in its obvious decline.

All of that could have been flipped on its head in a single night. Ending the Lakers' 15 game win streak against the Wolves, getting back to .500 after the New Year for the first time since Casey, winning a game against a team that really isn't better than the good guys (and who were on the tail end of a back to back on the road...where they are terrible), getting revenge for the two guys who were laid out by Andrew Bynum last season (JJ Barea and Michael Beasley), getting to watch all of the spoiled Wayzetta and North Branch teenagers in fresh Laker gear having to walk back to the parking lot in shame while you head out for some celebration and an adult beverage.

The list goes on and on.

I try to focus the majority of the talk on this site on things that can be measured. I like to focus on large sample sizes, detached analysis, the goofiness of this particular roster, the folk hero potential of guys like Pek and Rubio, and so on and so forth. I'm also a big fan of mindfulness and karma and if there is one way to get me to forget about the stat sheet, it is to talk about what a game really means.

This game could have been a huge statement. Not to the Lakers, but about the Wolves. It could have been one of those moments where the knowledge of all the team's past trials could have enabled the franchise and its fanbase to realize that they are much further along on the path to end their suffering than anyone had really known. It was a reachable point in both time and space, and they missed it.

In front of them lay wounded a team that has caused the city, the franchise, the players, and its fans so much (it's still entertainment, I know) harm over the years. They employ Josh McRoberts and Metta World Peace. Their starting backcourt has been in the league for a combined 30+ years. They are awful on the road and they were playing on the 2nd night of a back to back. It was all there for the taking.

Instead, the good guys came out cold and quickly fell behind 11-3.

In the 2nd quarter, their superior bench couldn't take advantage of Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol heading to the bench and they played Even Steven with Andrew Goudelock, Matt Barnes, and the previously mentioned McBob.

I'm not even going to bother with the 2nd half and its meaningless run (after more listless action in the 3rd). The game was lost in the opening moments and in the failure of the Wolves to seize the very seizable moment. On a night where they out-rebounded the opponent on the offensive glass by 17, turned the ball over only twice, matched the Lakers with free throw attempts, and took an astounding 25 more shots than the woeful LA squad, Our Beloved Puppies lost because they could not hit the broad side of a barn.

This was only the 4th game in franchise history where Minny managed over 100 FGA with sub .385 shooting from the floor and sub .240 from beyond the arc, and one of these games was an OT contest.

Despite what your memory may tell you about Kobe Bean Bryant's late-game "heroics", Mike Brown and the Lakers did their damnedest to hand this game to the Wolves. It was obvious from very early on that Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum could get whatever they wanted whenever they wanted against the Kevin Love/Nikola Pekovic front line. Instead of sticking with this very clear strategy (Mike Brown has recently stated that he wants to move Pau around throughout the game to keep opponents "guessing"), the Lakers saw Kobe jack up nearly 30 shots for his 35 points. On a night where Pau had 28 points on 15 shots and Bynum 21 on 14 and when the Wolves had no option but to run out the stick figure Anthony Randolph against the titan Bynum....well, again, it's pretty hard to think of a way that the Lakers could have played this that would have made it harder for the Wolves to climb back into things, even on a terrible shooting night.

Yet, there they were.

This team is close. It is often close in spite of itself. It is fun and exciting and goofy and weird, and even David Kahn has his place as a misfit on the island.

That being said, at some point in time the squad has to carry that ethic to the next step. It can still be all of those things, but if there is one thing I do not want to see with this particular club, it is for it to fall into the "They do it the right way/they tried hard/they're really neat/cute/whatever" description that has plagued Minnesota sports for the longest time. They can be entertaining and weird and still be winners. They can be folk heros while still being badasses. They can play on FSN without soliciting the typical FSN homer coverage.

You get the picture.

This was a moment to be had. There will be more moments but this one was theirs and it could have meant a lot...a whole lot.

Now that the moment has passed, and now that we are mindful of what it could have meant, it is time to let it go. The island of misfit toys moves along once again.

Until later.

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The run late made the game totally worth attending

BTW I was wearing the Ricky Unicorn hoodie and someone tapped on the shoulder. Identify yourself!!!

"This city is ready to explode. You can feel it." - Kevin Love

by GWST11 on Jan 29, 2012 10:10 PM CST reply actions  

tapped me on the shoulder** before the game started

"This city is ready to explode. You can feel it." - Kevin Love

by GWST11 on Jan 29, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Wings, wings, wings.

I said that to myself the whole game. Beasley was OK, but no one else on the wing could hit a shot. Webster just about shot us out of the game in the first half. Wayne is on the low-end of his highly oscillating biorhythm chart. Wes is driving better, but his outside shot is completely broken.

WINGS!!!!!!!

by Madison Dan on Jan 29, 2012 10:19 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah...

…we’re at the point in the season where I basically have three or four things to pick from to write about in each game wrap: Love and Rubio are the bomb and this team needs a wing player with above average production, this particular tilt was really crazy (this was probably the route I should have taken, as you don’t see too many 100+ fga games with this bad of shooting), an actual boring run down of the actual game, or a broad placement of “what it means”.

I don’t know how much more I can write about the 2 player + a wing bit because it is sooooooooo flipping obvious at this point. Wes is not the guy. Beas is not the guy. Williams will have to be flipped at some point because he’s completely incompatible with the roster. Wash, rinse, repeat.

I’m irrationally hopeful that Pek can continue his play so I can roll him into the rotation as a character above and beyond Luke Rinour.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 29, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Pek is for real, more or less.

He’ll probably always have foul trouble, but he’s always been a good post scorer, and he knows how to use his size.

by Madison Dan on Jan 29, 2012 10:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

He put up absurd #s in Europe

Ballparking here, but it worked out to like 28/8 per 36 on 60%+ shooting. Some adjustment should be expected but he is more or less doing what he should be.

I remember saying he projected to be a 6’10 white Craig Smith and he hasn’t let me down.

Also my gf glanced at the screen yesterday and said “I don’t like him, he looks mean, like a villain.” I have tried to explain why this makes him even cooler but it is lost on her.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 30, 2012 10:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I cant find it right now,

but there was a postgame interview with Pek a few days ago, and he sounded nothing like a villain. More like a nice guy. And his English is really good.

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

There you go.

That should convince your girlfriend that Pek isn’t a villain!

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Secondary benefit of Pekovics play is that he'll be more valuable than Derrick Williams as a trade asset in another month if he keeps it up.

Every team wants a legit 5 that can score at a uber high efficiency and get loads of offensive boards.

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 29, 2012 10:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm against trading Williams

but I am even moreso against trading Pek. Like you said, every team wants a legit 5, including us.

by monkeywolf on Jan 29, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly

courtesy of Rubio, he’s turning into Gortat. leave him alone, let him start, let him collect skulls.

by deus04 on Jan 29, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

If you flip offensive and defensive rebounding numbers and squint he resembles Gortat.

Nothing wrong with offensive boards.

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 29, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Boards are boards

My twitter: www.twitter.com/HogeJ

by John Doe on Jan 29, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions  

and offensive boards are better

ergo, Pek>Gortat

(did I do that right?)

by deus04 on Jan 29, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions  

If Pekovic can sustain this offensive rebounding rate for any substantial length of time....yeah.

The man has a 16.2 ORB% on the year before adding 7 more in under 20 minutes tonight. It’s just not sustainable, but the real question is what is the mean he reverts to? I’m hoping for something like 13%. The man is a beast.

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 29, 2012 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Every K-Love stat seemed unsustainable..

…but he kept going. And he doesn’t even have a pile of skulls.

by bustaone on Jan 30, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

It's possible.

That center from Indiana is just about the only one to do it consistently year after year in the past decade, but he’s definitely in elite territory with this one skill right now.

The nice thing is he’s elite in another area (TS%) too.

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 30, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

There are exceptions to all rules.

Just looking on the bright side is all. Not many of our non Loubio players have elite stats, even for a night.

by bustaone on Jan 30, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, at least pan-Asian cuisine recipes are off the table!

And after the “significant fine-tuning” finally happens, it won’t get any better. “Yawn, how many ways can I say Love is a banana sandwich, Rubio is a rainbow-pooping unicorn, and newly-acquired competent wing X must be thanking the FSM every night he got traded to such a well-assembled roster?”

by deus04 on Jan 29, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

This game was

the rare time when they needed Darko’s length. Pek had a hard time staying on the floor last year due to foul trouble, especially on moving picks.

Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way

by Flagrant on Jan 30, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

This was a game...

Where Rubio’s lack of production really hurt us.

by Daize on Jan 29, 2012 10:21 PM CST reply actions  

I was actually thinking the same about Ridnour

really poor game from him. You can’t really expect Webster to be a hot shooter fresh off the DL, nor Wes for obvious reasons (i.e. because he’s Wes), and Wayne was playing over his head before tonight, but Luke could legitimately have been expected to be able to hit a few open shots.

If you’re depending on more than 8 pts from Rubio, you’re in for trouble…

by deus04 on Jan 29, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

If Rinour [sic] isn't hitting his shots....

….his presence is devastating to a team. In a bad, bad way.

by Boss10 on Jan 30, 2012 12:46 AM CST up reply actions  

rid/webs

Their shooting was game.

by bustaone on Jan 30, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

At least he had 8 assists and 0 turnovers

It would be nice if he’d shot better, but I’ll still harp on the wings for this loss.

by Madison Dan on Jan 29, 2012 10:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

"...8 assists and 0 turnovers"

I still want a better ratio.

You can't...dust...for vomit.

by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

he would have had 9,000,000 assists if anybody on the team could shoot

he seriously hit guys for SO MANY open shots. there was a lid on it.

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by davechisholm on Jan 30, 2012 6:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Laker Announcers

I am vacationing in Palm Springs and had the chance to watch the game on Laker TV. The announcers were some of the best I’ve heard in there fairness in talking about the Wolves dynamic duo. They praised Rubio for helping lead the 4th quarter charge and they love KL. In fact they ran a poll during the game asking fans if they would rather have Love or Griffin on their team and it was Love 58% to 42%. It’s nice to see our team getting some respect around the league.

The announcers were especially hard on their team, especially for their lack of ability to stop us on the offensive boards. It’s clear they are worried with about the future of the Lakers.

by mystic penguin on Jan 29, 2012 10:26 PM CST reply actions  

They got rid of Joel Myers

I haven’t heard the new guy yet. I try to avoid the Lakers at all costs.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 29, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

All the LA fans saw what Love did against the Clippers

Griffin can fly, but he’s not going to hit a game winning 3 at the buzzer.

by Cobra312004 on Jan 29, 2012 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Griffin

had a rough night (by his standards) against Denver last night. Nuggets were not going to let him get air-bound.

Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way

by Flagrant on Jan 30, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I recall this from my time with league pass too

Youd expect them to be unbearable (like the Cs) but I remember being very impressed.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 30, 2012 9:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

IIRC

The Clips have a decent color guy too.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I was there.

It was indeed a cute, fun game, but not a satisfying one.

It’s becoming increasingly clear to me that we need to trade Derrick Williams for the best wing we can get, or failing that, a stud C. Soon. Maybe there’s a possibility he becomes a star, but let’s make some other team pay for that possibility while it still exists. He simply doesn’t have a place here, and won’t unless he becomes such a dominating force that playing Love and him together overcomes the obvious defensive issues such a pairing would create. Honestly, after this season, you could move Williams, let Beasley walk, amnesty Darko, and after 40 minutes/night from Love, the remaining 56 big man minutes can still be adequately covered by Pekovic, Randolph, and Tolliver.

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by John Doe on Jan 29, 2012 10:30 PM CST reply actions  

Williams or Beas

One has to go, soon. But I think one should stay.

by zero_on_up on Jan 29, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Beasley has to go

He’s worth something as a salary dump. He’s possibly worth something to a team wanting to start over (Boston?). And then there’s this, if next year $8.2 million is there to spend any way the Wolves want, do they choose Beasley as the best use of that money? I doubt they do. They probably need to move him for anything that can help, be it player or draft.

You can't...dust...for vomit.

by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

Michael stops the ball way too much. He has established that pattern. Williams seems to keep the ball moving, and we haven’t seen his ceiling yet.

Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way

by Flagrant on Jan 30, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

In the unlikely event he starts consistently producing games like yesterday

I say keep him. Given thr likelihood he reverts to his old ways, I agree wih you guys.

He was good yesterday though. Did more work getting good position and taking easy buckets. Even had a few nice dishes.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 30, 2012 10:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Can we get a guarantee?

That he’s going to play like yesterday from now on? If he does it in 4 of his next 6 games, I’ll start to have hope. Let’s say by the trade deadline, he’s played the right way in 9 of his last 12 games? Is that enough to commit $8.2 million of space next year? If you deal Williams, my guess is we have neither next year.

You can't...dust...for vomit.

by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

That is the hard part

For me it would take a fairly substantial string of games in which he exhibits these positive habits the vast majority of the time.

Not saying he has to make every shot, but he needs to show he is committed to contributing and he can best do that by continuing to work hard to get position and work off of Ricky and by crashing the boards.

8 million for good Bease is a bargain. For bad Bease….

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 30, 2012 2:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

There are always going to be exceptions

But, as of today, you have to look at the totality of Beas work product. He has an established record, Williams does not. The second year as a pro is supposed to show the biggest leap in production from rookie.

And, as an aside, Beasley has some outside issues be apparently hasn’t shaken since getting cleaned up in Miami.

Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way

by Flagrant on Jan 30, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see the actions you describe beating the Lakers tonight

The team you describe would have been eaten alive by Gasol and Bynum.

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 29, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

or shot their season average and won by at least 4

(i agree that gasol and bynum would have eaten them alive. thankfully, kobe exists and will keep many a smaller team in many a game at this point in his career.)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 29, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is different than what happened tonight... how?

The actions I described left out the part where, by trade or by cap space, the Wolves get a plus wing, as I didn’t necessarily have a specific name in mind. But having one of those would have helped, no?

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by John Doe on Jan 29, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure

But the who they get and who they give up matter, and for all the ideas I’ve seen here I don’t think this team is settled enough yet for any of them to be a slam dunk.

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 29, 2012 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not an expert by any stretch
Honestly, after this season, you could move Williams, let Beasley walk, amnesty Darko

But I have to believe that the team could get something of value in return for Beas and Darko.

Beasley put up 18 and 12 tonight plus 3 assists. I know a lot of people are fed up with him around here, but that potential has got to be valuable to someone. Don’t forget he only turned 23 less than a month ago.

And Darko’s a legit 7 footer that’s capable of making 5+ blocks in a night. For all the grief we got for signing Darko, there aren’t a lot of 7 footers in his price range (as always, you can’t teach height). I don’t think his contract would be prohibitive. There has to be someone left out there that still thinks they can get his “Super Darko” persona to show up on a nightly basis.

by Cobra312004 on Jan 29, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Even non-Super Darko might have been an asset tonight

if he could have done something on defense to stop Gasol and Bynum.

by MNHawkeye on Jan 29, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Well here's the thing

Beasley is an unrestricted free agent after this season, so absent a contract, we can’t really trade him for something of value. Darko, I could potentially see keeping, but by dropping Beasley, Darko, and Webster (in addition to Miller), we can create some real cap space next offseason. As in, potentially max space. If Darko’s the difference between inking Eric Gordon to an offer sheet or not, I think we send him packing.

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by John Doe on Jan 29, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought beas was restricted? Either or, his contract is a good reason to trade him, either as an expiring or in a sign and trade.

We need a good SG, but Gordon isn’t it. He’s one of those players who falls under ‘all that glitters is not gold’ for me. His career wp48 is under the average for a SG.

by monkeywolf on Jan 29, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, he won't be.

For him to be Restricted, we’d have to extend him a qualifying offer. Do you realize how much a qualifying offer for a former #2 overall pick is?

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by John Doe on Jan 29, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought I heard it was like $8 million.

Which is a lot for Beasley, but not if he starts playing to his potential.

by Are we cursed? on Jan 29, 2012 11:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Guys. I'm going to beat this drum until it is outright taken away from me and then I'm going to be my knee..

I don’t want to trade Beasley yet. I want to see what happens in 12-15 games under RA. His offensive decision making and defensive effort before he got hurt were better. His first game back he was awful in both regards. However, his offensive decision making was much better, particularly in the second half and reminiscent of what he was doing before he got hurt. The big problem remains that he looks entirely lost on defense and he still doesn’t know how to move off the ball on offense. All is not entirely lost in this context as he had 12 rebounds today which shows he is giving an improved effort. Let’s just see what happens with him over the next 15 games. You guys can do what you want with Wes (who actually has played better the last 6-7 games), AR, Ridnour, Wayne, etc.

by bsg007 on Jan 29, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

They are rebounding a lot better with him out there

I’ve started a Wes vs. Beasley vs. Martell 3 spot bingo game. It’s not going well.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 29, 2012 11:25 PM CST up reply actions  

SnP.. I know my desire to wait it out with Beas is a little irrational..

but remember there was a time last year when he looked like “Carmelo lite” (your words, not mine). All I’m saying is let’s see what it looks like in 12-15 games. You have nothing to lose in doing so.

by bsg007 on Jan 29, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I doubt we have a choice.

It takes two to trade. Without a deadline I’m not certain how many trades would actually happen during a season.

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 29, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Man, I don't even want Carmelo on my team

Even when beas scores on his little iso plays I don’t like it

If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 29, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm kind of over the whole iso scoring is amazing thing

Carmelo didn’t really add anything but offense as far as I could remember.

If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 29, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions  

he did show that potential tonight

I’ve been one of his biggest detractors but if he played every night like he did tonight, we’d be idiots to let him go.

by monkeywolf on Jan 29, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

not entirely.. if his defense is going to be so shitty I might still be tempted

to let him go. My biggest problem with Beas isn’t how the ball stops on offense, it’s his terrible defense.

by bsg007 on Jan 29, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Beasley's defensive rebounding can't be understated.

…the Wolves suffer terribly in this regard, as. outside of Love, no one seems to make a dent. Pek is offering some hope, but Beas’ rebounding was a welcome sight tonight.

by Boss10 on Jan 30, 2012 12:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Worth noting...

Beasley had 10 and 12 rebounds in the two games before his injury. Then 12 more tonight gives him double digit rebounds in 3 of his last 4 games.

Is it a fluke or could he really be turning a corner here?

by Cobra312004 on Jan 30, 2012 2:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Also worth mentioning

He only had 8 games with double digit rebounds last season, in 73 games. He has 3 in 9 games so far this year.

Now he’s gone on streaks like this before so it’s nothing to write home about yet. But it’s certainly something to keep an eye on along with his shot selection and passing.

by Cobra312004 on Jan 30, 2012 2:19 AM CST up reply actions  

This year.

Beas on vs. off (2nd number):

Offensive Rebounding
34.3%
28.3%
+5.9%
Defensive Rebounding
75.4%
70.3%
+5.1%
Total Rebounding
54.8%
49.3%
+5.5%

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2012 7:21 AM CST up reply actions  

HIs defensive rebounding is similar to what he did as a rookie.

He’s sitting at 20.9% right now and posted a 19.8% DRB% as a rookie. It appears he’s putting in the effort and rebounding is one of the tools he historically has. Getting PF quality rebounding out of the SF position is huge. It’s about all we are getting out of the position so far this year.

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by Airete on Jan 30, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think it is a fluke

After he hurt his finger and realized it was affecting his shooting he redoubled his effort on the glass and the results were noticeable. He is a good natural rebounder and can make an impact there if he wants to. I hope he keeps it up because 8+ boards from your 3 is huge.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 30, 2012 10:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Man can jump damned high.

Nice to see him getting up around the rim. All the tools in the world, would be nice to see them used.

by bustaone on Jan 30, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you..

…..in the sense that a) I don’t think he’s tradable in anything other than a salary dump and b) I think his rebounding and defense are better than Wes’s right now. I think Wes is the worst regular in the league and his chucking and rebounding at least take some of the pressure off of Love in the half court. He’s not very efficient with the ball, but Wes is just terrible all around and my bet is that for every 10 Beasley possessions, his shooting will be right around Wes’s shooting but with additional rebounding. Granted, he’ll shoot a lot more than Wes and he’s a ball stopper….well, I still think they need a wing but I can be persuaded that he’s the least terrible option right now, despite what WP48 or WS/48 might say. I think he allows other things to happen on the court that Wes does not.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 29, 2012 11:32 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I think we're on the same page..

without question we need a 2 and 3. I’m just hoping Beas can be a serviceable 3 under RA.

by bsg007 on Jan 29, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

no.. he needs to completely change the way he plays

that’s why I think he needs time. He should be freaking great playing along side Kevin and Ricky. That should be all he needs.

by bsg007 on Jan 29, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, Ricky can't shoot and when Love hangs out underneath...

Beasley inherits the perimeter scoring responsibilities. Maybe with a good 2, Beas can get open to drive more often. But, yeah, he should be iso’d all the time

by Are we cursed? on Jan 29, 2012 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

They do enough to a team's defense

To open it up for a Mack truck.

But he’s right, the perimeter is left to guys like Wes “I shoot below 25% on my 3’s” Johnson and Beasley. If we had a legitimate sniper out there, it might make a difference in how they use Beasley.

by Cobra312004 on Jan 29, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I wish Beasley could finish when he drives.

He puts up such soft shots and totally avoids contact. So he almost never scores and doesn’t get fouled.

by Simitar on Jan 30, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

never seems to make a open driving layup either

always short

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by GWST11 on Jan 30, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Still think it comes down to Kahn's ego

does he rid the team of Wes after unloading Flynn?

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by Flagrant on Jan 30, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Who's taking on Wes right now?

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by Airete on Jan 30, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Well Houston bit on Flynn

The magic and Suns are known to make some bad deals, but no one in their right mind.

by zebano on Jan 30, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh so SnP is saying stats don't tell the whole tale??

My how the tables have turned ;)

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by VoodooMagic on Jan 30, 2012 10:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

you mean the part where we measured that the team rebounds better w beasley than without?

;)

1 stat certainly doesn’t tell the whole tale. thankfully, that’s what the others are for.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Beas had a great game

very rarely does he take a shot where I screamed ‘NOOO!!’ at my TV. It normally runs a 60/50 ratio (Beas takes a lot of shots).

Today seemed different. Shot chart backed it up. He took 2 3s late in the game. Other than that, 5 shots in the paint (4 of them 4 ft and in). 4 shots from 11-15 ft short corner/finance district area, 1 corner 2pt, and 3 3pts.

Great distribution of shots, made a few good passes, and his rebounding is a definite strength at the 3. Give him time, you can tell he wants to fit into the offense.

by Mark Blunt on Jan 29, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I see changes in Beasley's game too..

..late in the 3rd quarter he kicked it out the Webster who made a 3. Previously, I have no doubt that he would have iso-ed or rinour-ed about till he forced up a long 2.

by Boss10 on Jan 30, 2012 1:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget his lovely assist to Love underneath

Rubio set him up and he made the extra pass for the easier basket, rather than take it himself. He was showing flashes of this before his injury too.

And, since effort has always been a question mark for him at times, I especially loved his hustle on the steal against Bryant at the end. The game was pretty much over and he had every reason to slack a bit, but he kept fighting and made a nice 3 to top it off.

by Cobra312004 on Jan 30, 2012 2:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Luke had the Pek dunk passes, I believe

Hey seem to be developing their own bromance, perhaps in response to the Ricky-Love relationship. 2nd game in a row Luke has set Pek up for some big slams.

Bease hit him on a PnR for a sweet and-1 layup though.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 30, 2012 10:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

ugh, grammar

*i usually scream at the tv when beas shoots

by Mark Blunt on Jan 30, 2012 2:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm inclined to agree

Beasley was a world-beater star in high school, one-n-done in college, a forgotten player with the Heat and then under Rambis for two years. This is probably the first time in his life he’s had real coaching.

As I said, he’s only just turned 23. I’d like to see if he can be salvaged still. He has the highest potential of any of our reclamation projects IMO (except maybe Super Darko, but I’ve pretty much given up on that).

by Cobra312004 on Jan 29, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Well fair enough

At any rate, we’re almost definitely stuck with him the rest of the year whether we have hope or not. If, at long last, against all odds, he turns things around, then obviously an $8.2 one year qualifying offer to retain matching rights wouldn’t look as exorbitant as it does now.

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by John Doe on Jan 29, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

It was pretty much lost through an excess

Of rubio and webster and luke (and everyone?) Missing a ton of long jumpers. In the first two quarters we were in the bonus early, and then promptly failed to capitalize with and-1 opportunities. We gave up that meek schtick for a bit and tore up the 16 point lead like so much Goldmann Sachs financial records — but then got scared of our success and the idea of stretching out a lead. Like they weren’t sure they deserved it. That melancholy will continue to be boiled off in our process of reduction this year. I hope. Beasley played awesome in his second game back, I thought. Webster was jerky and had no touch at times, but looked promising also. If either has a good stretch soon we are looking at a win streak..

by zero_on_up on Jan 29, 2012 10:32 PM CST reply actions  

POST DEFENSE

Bynum and Gasol were 19-30 for 49 points. We can talk all about the bad shooting, but this was right up there. Not having Darko hurt, a lot.

by Ray Williams? on Jan 29, 2012 10:35 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Miller tried but this was not a good matchup for a big man in his first game in about 9 months.

by Cobra312004 on Jan 29, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

the second half run

is what differentiates this loss from any loss last season, so I don’t consider it meaningless. One less ridiculously contested Kobe jumper, one less Randolph long two with no one under the basket and that second half run may have ended up in a win. If we had switched out Randolph for Pek with a couple minutes to go…woulda shoulda. Last year we woulda just loss. There would be no ‘if we had done x, y, z,.’

http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/min

We have six players playing above average ball (stats are prior to last night’s game. I discount Webster for small sample size).

Popcorn’s up, but it doesn’t tell much that we don’t already know.
http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20120129&game=LALMIN

by monkeywolf on Jan 29, 2012 10:36 PM CST reply actions  

That game was easily ours, we just shot like crap

I don’t think there’s anything good to take from a loss like this. It shouldn’t have even been close.

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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 29, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I would love to know why pek disappeared from the game. It feels a bit like when love got benched excessively. Randolph played well, but still.. Some easy post baskets sure would have been gravy in those last 4 minutes..

by zero_on_up on Jan 29, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Randolph was playing well, so I can see why he was left in for a while

I didn’t understand why he wasn’t put in when Bynum started dominating though

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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 29, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

wondering the same thing

after that line-up’s run had come to an end and the lakers starting feeding Bynumn down low and he tossed Randolph around like a scrarecrow…why no Pek?

by monkeywolf on Jan 29, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

..i suppose randolph had some easy buckets, too,

by zero_on_up on Jan 29, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

sure I could if I weren't so lazy

but I still contend it wasn’t like crap last year. Players don’t give up on themselves or on each other. That’s why that run happened and we thought we had him. And it sucked we loss. Last year’s runs the wolves were just toying with our emotions.

by monkeywolf on Jan 29, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

i'm not cheering for players not giving up

done with that. we don’t have to do that anymore.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 29, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions  

What's crazy is that bringing Rubio into the starting lineup changed nothing in that regard

We’ve had about seventy different starting lineups, and pretty much every single one has lost the first quarter for us. Don’t know what it means, but at least we’re winning 4th quarters consistently. If we have to choose one, etc…

by deus04 on Jan 29, 2012 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it just me

or do we run a more simplified offense in the 4th? More pick and rolls and fewer motion sets than earlier in the game. It seems like we run exclusively out of the high post in the first half. I haven’t caught as many games lately, though.

by Mark Blunt on Jan 30, 2012 2:37 AM CST up reply actions  

If Pek eventually becomes our full-time starting C

I could see us doing what the old Laker and Bulls teams used to do with Kareem and Cartwright: Go to the low post early and often. Then branch out to the PnR game from there.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

This team didn't give up when they were down an insurmountable amount with 20 seconds left

They fought, forced turnovers hit a 3, and made the game watchable again after everybody walked out of the Target Center. There is something to be said about that kind of never say die attitude. It will pay off. This would never have happened with Rambis. This team is different. This team has an attitude which will turn into an identity. How long has it been since we could say this about our Wolves?

by twolf1 on Jan 29, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

yes

this is why i wrote that there will be more moments. this is still a bad loss, and one exacerbated by sluggish play and poor execution in the first 2 1/2 quarters.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 29, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Props for that

I had given up already at that point. Gotta give them credit for fighting, if not executing down the stretch. It was refreshing to see.

by Cobra312004 on Jan 29, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Unrelated to Postgame post, but that one section needs to STOP CHANTING RUBIO AND OTHER CRAP

I guess the only thing I can do to protest this is post on here in case one of them see this. You guys psyche RR out when you chant his name or olee olee, also, he’s from Spain, not Mexico, so the whole sombrero thing makes you look dumb (not sure if you guys still do that)

Every time I hear that section chanting, Rubio puts up a brick, or misses a FT, or whatever. Its home-court, STFU.

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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 29, 2012 10:38 PM CST reply actions  

If Rubio can’t handle fans cheering for him, we’re in serious trouble. If that’s having a legitimate impact, he needs to get over it.

by Ray Williams? on Jan 29, 2012 10:41 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

When I cheer, I screech and wail like a banshee on acid, on fire

So those timberwolves better get ready for my unique style of fandom! A true pro can hit free throws while I speak in tongues in a joan rivers voice..

by zero_on_up on Jan 29, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

random segue — extended version of Stripes — harold Ramis drops acid, they do a jump into Mexico, get abducted by a drug cartel, do weed with them, give them acid, start a group singalong and escape. Don’t know why they cut that scene.

by monkeywolf on Jan 29, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions  

wow

List of things to see in life, number 24939..but I’m gonna go ahead and bump that up into the top five.

by zero_on_up on Jan 29, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

have yet to make it through that movie

and I love Bill Murray. But I might have to give that version a try…

by deus04 on Jan 29, 2012 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ

by AndrePatterson on Jan 29, 2012 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

hooray!

i just never hear anything about it. everybody talks about weed and meth and i just kind of figured people had kind of given up on the good stuff.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 29, 2012 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

i mean

DON’T DO DRUGS!

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 29, 2012 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point.

Who has the time for that these days anyways?

by Grover M on Jan 29, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I got drug tested recently for work

And one of the tests was for PCP and I think was the “standard profile.”

I was like, “Who does PCP?” Think James Brown was the last person I remember doing that.

by Rodman99 on Jan 30, 2012 8:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Two Thoughts

A) Watching Martell Webster play gave me hope for the future. Sure, he took some strange shots – but the athleticism and the fact that some of them went in… those are unheard of for T-Wolves playing his position (which position is that, again?)

B) I had one of those Lakers fan “douche-nozzles” in front of me. Dude was wearing hockey hair under a unbent brand new baby-yellow Lakers hat. A pair of girly-yellow aviator sunglasses on top of his Lakers hat. He had a Kobe jersey on, yelling things like “That’s right, Kobe!” and “Oh yeah!” He also had a Lakers “winter coat” that was more of a spring jacket.

This leads me to the best moment of the night (which happened at the sad ending): We missed what probably wouldn’t have won the game anyway, but would have made it look closer. He jumps up and yells “That’s right!” while pumping his fist, and his girly yellow aviators fly off and onto the floor. I was at the game with a friend and we started cheering!

by Aaro on Jan 29, 2012 10:39 PM CST reply actions  

Forgot about Pek...

Forgot about Pek with his made free throws and his one block! Imagine if we could go back in time and trade Rasho for Pek…

by Aaro on Jan 29, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

That wasn't even really a block.

He just ate that guy’s lunch. Grabbed the attempt, curled his arm around it, and pulled it away.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 29, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Like grabbing a fly...

Like grabbing a fly from mid-air… haha.

by Aaro on Jan 30, 2012 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

That was a classic moment

I replayed that one multiple times.

Which reminds me, the DVR is the greatest basketball watching too ever invented. Was that really a travel? Let me check. What an alley-oop! I’m going to watch that 10 times. Plus I usually start watching about 30 minutes late and fast-forward through the commercials.

by Rodman99 on Jan 30, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

A could've been game for sure

But a game that flat out showed the unsettled, uncertain, inexperience of this squad. The recently champion veteran Lakers needed to come out and win this one to reassure themselves after disappointing performances. They’ve still got big time players but their depth is sub par.

I’d be hard pressed to say which of the Wolves parts should stick or be bartered after this one. I thought this may have been their best game as far as everyone buying into the team concept. I certainly didn’t expect this team to shoot as badly as they have, however. The Lakers shot with confidence. The Wolves except for Love and Martel from three looked like they didn’t expect the ball to go in. (Beas’ shot selection was better.)

I’m going to mark this one down as a slip on the upward climb. I’m not laying it on any individual players but on team failure to finish plays. Those who start consistently making shots will stick.

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by pastyearsears on Jan 29, 2012 10:46 PM CST reply actions  

Where was Wayne?

38 min vs DAL (granted we were shorthanded), 10 min tonight. He looked like he might be turning a corner, but now all but disappeared. Do we like Webster taking Wayne’s minutes in crunch time?

by Matt Leisen on Jan 29, 2012 10:47 PM CST reply actions  

And this is what it looks like:

See here for a what it looked like when we all thought Wayne should be our starting shooting guard.

by Madison Dan on Jan 30, 2012 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

This chart makes it look like his around game 30 run

might happen a few games early this year.

Great chart. I hope RA has one of these.

by midlife crisis on Jan 30, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, he'll give you a few stretches of hall-of-fame level play

but the lows are low (and often) enough that his season-wide shooting is too low to make him all that valuable.

I compared his last year to Love and Beasley just to get a sense of how variable this statistic tends to be. To be clear, the 5-game moving average TS% is calculated using all of the shooting stats (points, field goal attempts, and free throw attempts) for the five most recent games combined to calculate a single TS%. I then calculated the mean and standard deviation of this value for the three players. Love had a higher mean and about half the variability of Ellington. Beasley had about the same amount of variability as Love (i.e., also a lot less variable than Wayne), but his mean was closer to Wayne’s.

I have a feeling that if I calculated this across all NBA players (which would take more time than I want to spend), Wayne would be among the most volatile.

by Madison Dan on Jan 30, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

AAAAAA....SKY IS FALLING......

Guys, i know you’r tired of loosing but games like this will happen. It is not the first and not the last this season. So many players were too long off the court, a new coach, almost no practises….Whenever someone has a bad game the fan jury says: ‘’Trade him.’’ Relax! This season Wolves will be around .500. Next season, with a proper preseason will be crucial. The culture is changing, it s a good sign.

by anbeast on Jan 29, 2012 10:49 PM CST reply actions  

AAhhhhhh

Screw you.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 29, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

don’t worry, anbeast. I’m pretty sure that was a very relaxed ‘screw you.’ SnP is tripping balls right now anyways.

by monkeywolf on Jan 29, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

He’s in the kitchen wearing a state fair daniel boone cap, making paper boats, and dining on large amounts of kool-aid and banana sandwiches

by zero_on_up on Jan 29, 2012 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

AHHHHHHHH....MEANINGLESS CONTRIBUTION...

I know you don’t like losing games, but the sky is blue and humans are bipeds. There are 24 hours in a day and 7 days in a week and you just need to relax. 2+2 is 4 and all of this means that something something unrelated.

Thanks.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 29, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

(and after reading this...

…this is much harsher than what was meant.)

(it was in response to the sky is falling bs. come on, nobody is saying the sky is falling here.)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 29, 2012 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

The loss was depressing..

…but 20 games into Rubio’s career seems a tad early to be making missed opportunities posts. The Wolves started this game like they have a lot of games recently. This time around, their 2nd half run just couldn’t overcome the Lakers’ talent advantage and the fact that the entire f’ing team couldn’t make a wide open shot.

by saudagg on Jan 29, 2012 10:55 PM CST reply actions  

But it was a missed opportuinity.

The lakers aren’t who we thought they were except for bynum and gasol. We took away B&G (somewhat) and couldn’t stop kobe’s prayers from going in.

Maybe if Martel wouldn’t have shot like total crap we would have had a shot.

by bustaone on Jan 30, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Or if Wes could play defense

when his shot doesn’t fall. Beasley (this season) has been able to keep his head in the game better than Wes, which is pretty bad for Wes.

by midlife crisis on Jan 30, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry - I haven't waded through the game thread

What happened to Pek?

I know AR gave them a spark and some nice minutes. But I would have liked to see Pek return in the 4th.

Was disappointed that Webster could not really stay in front of Kobe – looked like he was on roller skates as Jim Pete likes to say. But at least Webster has the ‘just returned to playing’ excuse.

Was more disappointed that Love couldn’t guard Gasol or Bynum. Both are too big and talented. Pek did an OK job on Bynum.

I was really surprised that, as SnP said, the Lakers stopped going to Bynum and Gasol. Looked like both could have had 30 and fouled out our front line. Was also suprised they didn’t take advantage when Luke was guarding someone 80 pounds and 6 inches bigger than him.

Agree with Madison Dan – guards and wings from almost every team make us look really bad. Worried about what the HOU guards are going to do tomorrow.

Come on Kahn – we want to be good this year.

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by Wile E Coyote on Jan 29, 2012 10:55 PM CST reply actions  

Comments from at the game.

So many douche laker fans yelling “Kobe time!” Miss FT’s early in the game. And Pek was dominant rolling towards the basket and was hit with 2 Bullshit fouls, 1 questionable, and 1 definite. I hate seeing Referees make their impact on the game. I don’t know if it was just me or my homer glasses but almost every call that went the Lakers way was very very questionable, while our guys were under the basket getting absolutely mugged on the offense boards with no whistle. Also Bynum blatantly elbowed Love in the face, he was even rubbing his elbow afterward while KLove was holding his head, yet no call. KLove looked gassed in the 3rd quarter going against the huge front line. One of Pek’s dunks will break a backboard. I love watching him play.

All in all a very winnable game. I disagree, it was not lost in the 1st. This team was terrible from beyond the arc with their open shots. The run at the end of the 3rd was probably my best moments at TC. The place was insane.

by twolf1 on Jan 29, 2012 10:59 PM CST reply actions  

Three stray thoughts
  • I really liked this write-up, Snp.
  • Ron Artest/MWP is beyond done. He had 6’2" 175 lb Luke Ridnour guarding him for most of the game and couldn’t do jack with it.
  • The atmosphere in the arena was great tonight.

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by John Doe on Jan 29, 2012 11:01 PM CST reply actions  

When I was at the gym in the first half..

….the group watching this was like “uh-oh, Luke is guarding MWP”. Then we remembered that MWP isn’t a functional NBA player anymore.

Good catch on that one. I had forgotten about it. He’s terrible.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 29, 2012 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep this was strange

Despite Luke on him he really didn’t shoot all that much. It seemed to me that the point was to have him shoot. I woudl have let him do it all day.

I love Adelman but this is the first game I’ve been at (I think it’s my 5th so far this year) where I felt he had a couple of missteps. He should have gone to Beasley way earlier in the 3rd than he did and he should have thought about Webster sooner too (I know his minutes have to be limited at this point). I also thought he stuck with the zone too long at the end when the Lakers seemed to figure it out, and it also seemed like there were a bunch of possessions after missed Wolves shots where they didn’t know if they were in man or zone.

Bummed about this one, but I think you are going to have shooting nights like this. It will be interesting to see how they respond at HOU and then Indy coming to town. . .

by Sterno on Jan 30, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Fair point

I guess I meant “someone other than Wes” — I would have tried DWill too.

I guess I come back to I think this Lakers team is an especially bad matchup for the Wolves. They don’t have anyone to match Kobe and the height inside for the Lakers is too much for the Wolves. In some respects, the only way they can beat this team is if they get good results from the outside, and they certainly didn’t have that. To me, it is more of those “1 game in 66” rather than anything to significant, but I understand how great it would have been if they had pulled it off.

by Sterno on Jan 30, 2012 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't agree.

We match up fairly well against the Lakers in some respects.

Bynum can finish, but can’t shoot. He’s assisted on over 60% of his field goals and is really only good within a few feet of the basket. Love, Darko and Pekovic can all maintain position well enough to force him to shoot.

Gasol is trouble for everyone, but his TS% FGA and FTA are all down and he’s not matching Love’s production by any means. He’s really good and I don’t want to make light of that in any shape or form, but he’s not going 5-7 from beyond 15 feet every night.

Kobe is part of the reason I think we have a chance. He was 4 for 10 in the paint and only got to the line for 2 FTAs. Last night he was 5 for 9 from behind the arc, but he’s only a career 33.8% three point shooter and is shooting below 30% on the year from three even including last night’s performance. He was 2 for 7 on long twos last night His problem is he doesn’t stop shooting. It’s easy to applaud him because he get points, but he’s jacking up 24.4 FGA a game despite being less efficient than either Bynum or Gasol.

I said Kobe is part of the reason we have a chance against the Lakers any night. His keeping the ball out of the hands of the two better offensive options helps, but the other factor is that Lakers have no one else. Matt Barnes is the next closest thing they have to an NBA scoring threat.

So my theory is that if we let Kobe shoot the Lakers out of the game we beat them more often then not. It’s their bigs we need to worry more about. How’d that turn out?

Gasol and Bynum combined for 78 minutes producing
49 points on 29 shots with 4 turn overs and 13 rebounds.

Pekovic and Love combined for 61 minutes producing
46 points on 30 shots with 2 turn overs and 22 rebounds

I’d call it pretty even.

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by Airete on Jan 30, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I guess we do match up well with them

Except for the part where we have lost 16 straight to them. . .

Things happen in 1 game that may or may not be encouraging or repeatable (like Matt Barnes not missing a single shot against us last year, or KLove getting 23 rebounds in a game against them), but that is the nature of basketball. But it seems to me that Love (who played very well last night especially after a slow start) has the most trouble against really big front lines and this is one of them (it was even bigger when they had Odom).

There is no question that the Lakers are worse than they were last year and the Wolves are better. I still think this team is a tough beat for the Wolves, and the fact that Kobe hogged the ball last night instead of getting the ball to the guys who were KILLING us seems to prove my point more than yours.

by Sterno on Jan 30, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't care what happened in the previous 15 games.

We aren’t the same team and neither are they. Some of the roster still exists, but defensive scheme, offensive scheme, coaching changes for both teams and the addition of Rubio for us and the replacement of Ron Artest with MWP are huge changes. We didn’t have a real chance against them that last 4 plus years. Right now I think we take them to a seven game series. I only mean this as a partial compliment of the Wolves. The other edge is that the Lakers have really fallen off.

The Kobe ball-hogging thing wouldn’t be something I’d write about if it wasn’t a consistent trend. It might be fixable, but the Lakers don’t seem to be addressing it. Until they do it’s what I expect of them.

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by Airete on Jan 30, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Actually, per minute,

Pek and Love outproduced those two. One problem is that Pek sat for so long in the fourth, but G&B had 28% more time on the court to produce basically the same stat line as P&L—except for rebounds, where P&L smoked them despite the much shorter time.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I laughed out loud at a couple of MWP's shots tonight.

Especially the 3-pt attempt. Pure entertainment. Also enjoyed how Peterson refused to call him anything other than Ron Artest.

by Matt Leisen on Jan 29, 2012 11:05 PM CST reply actions  

Another stray thought

If Darko doesn’t box out he can always say, “Neither do Pau and Bynum.”

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 29, 2012 11:07 PM CST reply actions  

Thoughts

In the 4th, Martell Webster in his 2nd game back guarding Kobe. Really though, what was the alternative? Bryant got into the paint at will and Bynum made short work of AR.

by Mark Blunt on Jan 29, 2012 11:08 PM CST reply actions  

after the run had ended

I woulda put Wes and Pek in for Web and AR. Webster wasn’t hitting and Kobe usually brings out the best in Wes. But I trust Adelman — it’s easy to say what we do as fans without all the info he had available to him.

by monkeywolf on Jan 29, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

D-Will angry about playing time on Twitter. We have made a huge mistake if he isn't delt at dealine.

For a freaking SG. There just ISNT room for him, and this inconsistent shooting on the team….will keep us from taking that next step. I don’t wanna wait ANOTHER fucking year, sell D-Will (plus whatever junk) while his value is still high. KAHHHHHHHHHHN!!!!!!!!!!!!

RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ

by AndrePatterson on Jan 29, 2012 11:08 PM CST reply actions  

What an idiot

Seems like this kid had a good head on his shoulders, but is he really dumb enough to reply to a post like that. You’re playing behind Kevin Love, you’re a rookie, quiet down!

If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 29, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I was just looking at his page.

Didn’t see anything. Anybody want to post what he said?

by LoveTo on Jan 29, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Random dude:

Free @RealDwill7 ..dude is locked up in a bad way.

Dwill:

@BrownMambaXXL man who u tellin.. Crazy. Glad y’all see it too

If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 29, 2012 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Eh...

I’ve seen worse.

My twitter: www.twitter.com/HogeJ

by John Doe on Jan 29, 2012 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

pretty much, and not only that what did you expect?

He got drafted 2nd to a bad team last year, and they barely play him. Players want to play they get frustrated if they don’t. Doesn’t surprise me… The fact is the wolves have to many decent players and not enough studs. They need to package players together and go after a good player that fits a role. As long as they keep splitting all their playing times more plaeyrs htan Dwill are going to be upset

by Kazper on Jan 29, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess

Its just he’s playing behind Kevin Love. There should be no question as to why he isn’t getting that much PT.

Also, Dwill as been missing his jumpers and 3’s.

If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 29, 2012 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

interesting that Adelman throws a zone out there

to slow down the lakers but Rambiswho gave significant playing time to two Syracusians wouldn’t try it.

by zebano on Jan 30, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I was just pointing out the tweet, I get he's mad

It’s just that even if he turns to be good (which I think he will) he isn’t a SF and he’s our best asset to net us a true SG.

RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ

by AndrePatterson on Jan 29, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Link?

Unless he deleted it very quickly, I see nothing to support such an accusation. https://twitter.com/#!/RealDwill7

My twitter: www.twitter.com/HogeJ

by John Doe on Jan 29, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Angry?...

Definitely not content with not being able to play and help the team. Anything beyond that is pure speculation.

by Daize on Jan 30, 2012 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Jon Krawczynski @APkrawczynski
#Lakers C Andrew Bynum: “Thank God they took Pekovic out of the game.”

by Mark Blunt on Jan 29, 2012 11:11 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

7 feet tall, 285 pounds

And worries about going against Pek. He is a force.

by twolf1 on Jan 29, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't agree with this entirely.. AR was put in when everything else wasn't working and

that’s when the Wolves made their run largely because Mike Brown is inept and didn’t use Bynum and Gasol as much as he should have. I suspect RA just stuck with what was working, and by the time Bynum got involved it was too late to put NP back in.

by bsg007 on Jan 29, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

S-N-P Nailed It

There was absolutely no way we should have lost this game. The Lakers are terrible on the road, and Mike Brown and Kobe Bryant did their best to keep us in it by refusing to take advantage of the fact that Bynum and Gasol could score at will on us but we still could not pull it out.

I think Williams is going to be an excellent power forward, but if Rick is going to only play him 10 minutes a game then we need to trade him while he can still fetch us a quality player. I’d rather trade Beas and have Williams work at the 3, but not sure who would want Beas.

by Vlade on Jan 29, 2012 11:12 PM CST reply actions  

Adelman has said Williams has to stay at the 4 for now

Doesn’t think his skills are developed well enough to play 3 yet (his outside shooting and ball handling on the perimeter are not there yet). Agree or disagree with that assessment, but he’s stuck behind Love for the time being.

by Cobra312004 on Jan 29, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

His spinning dervishes to the lane are kind of problematic

You can see the talent and athleticism there, but so far what worked in college up close (his relatively awesome handles and quickness) is not translating to the pros….especially with the outside shot not falling and him not tearing it up on the glass.

Follow @canishoopus

by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 29, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, he spins into the defense for a help D block in almost every game. And his defense is balls. Still, I think he’s the type of guy who ‘gets it’ in his second year. I have no rational basis to believe that.

by monkeywolf on Jan 29, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes you do actually
Still, I think he’s the type of guy who ‘gets it’ in his second year. I have no rational basis to believe that.

That’s exactly what happened in college.

by Cobra312004 on Jan 29, 2012 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I still don't know where they get him 30-35 mpg

Let’s say our wing wish is granted and they get someone like Batum. Boom, 30 mpg gone at the 3. Let’s get even more stupid and say that they get a legit 2. 30 mpg more gone at the 2 and Wes gets 2/3 clean up duty. I don’t think it behooves anybody to have him backing up the 3/4 if he can’t get to 30 mpg. He’s too talented and too high a pick to think that he couldn’t be leveraged into better production in someone else who can cohabitat with Love and Rubio for 30+ mpg.

Follow @canishoopus

by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 29, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Man, what would have happened had we gotten the 1st pick?

Take Kyrie and have him take a Luke-like role?

If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 29, 2012 11:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, please.

(though half of us would still be pining for the Manther…)

by deus04 on Jan 29, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean a 'Luke-a-like'

I’m here all week ladies and gents. Please tip your waiters.

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by JonesTheCat on Jan 30, 2012 8:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed

We knew this was coming. You take the BPA at a position that’s log jammed because he’s the best player available. But we all knew (or should have accepted) that DWill isn’t really a 3 and that Kevin Love is one of the best 4’s in the world. We were always coming to a head with this.

As much as I hate to trade a player that’s going to be great for someone else (and add to that long list of former Wolves players that fit that category), I think you’re absolutely right. There’s nowhere to go but down with his playing time and he’s shown enough to draw a good return at this point.

by Cobra312004 on Jan 29, 2012 11:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm all for trading DWill, but the trade has to make sense..

you can’t afford to see low. His trade value is the exact reason you took him at 2. If you weren’t going to trade him then Kahn should have taken Jonas Valencius or even the Manther (this would have been a stretch at the 2 spot).

by bsg007 on Jan 29, 2012 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder if we could still get Valenciunas for him.

I’d make that trade in a heartbeat.

My twitter: www.twitter.com/HogeJ

by John Doe on Jan 29, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I would have killed for JV.. he is the choice we should have made.

but Kahn was cornered. The team had to get better this year and there is no way he thought Rubio would do what he has done this year.

by bsg007 on Jan 29, 2012 11:43 PM CST up reply actions  

we couldn't even get JV for Wes+DWill..

word is completely out on JV after his showing this past summer..

by bsg007 on Jan 30, 2012 1:31 AM CST up reply actions  

That's disheartening...

..especially considering the respective draft slots.

by Boss10 on Jan 30, 2012 2:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Wait, we picked up a legit 2 AND 3, AND we still have D-Will in this hypothetical?

Kahn for executive of the year!

(and why, oh why, in your pie-in-the-sky fantasy, is Wesley fucking Johnson still on this roster? Masochist…)

by deus04 on Jan 29, 2012 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

if we don’t get a legit 2 and if we don’t get a legit 3 (which is a convoluted way of saying if nothing changes) and if williams learns to play the 3, he can back up both beas at the 3 and Love at the 4. That’s more than 30 minutes. And if he’s good as we think he could be, then we play him more minutes, instead of giving minutes to someone like wes.

by monkeywolf on Jan 29, 2012 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Some notes from my arena experience:

—Hung out with twinstalker at Kieran’s for a while. That was fun, and he’s a good guy.
—As I approached my seat an extremely overweight dude slipped and fell across the next three rows below him. I spent half of the first quarter trying to watch the game while all of the people to the left of me yelled at each other.
—My section seemed to be populated by drunk twentysomethings who knew each other. It was very annoying
—I took advantage of a quiet moment in the second quarter to scream, “Andrew Bynum is bad at basketball!” They had to hear me on the court. That made my night.
—I rediscovered that I don’t like people (generally speaking). Being in public made me despondent about the human race. Just stupidity and lack of regard all around. Blech.

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 29, 2012 11:15 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, human beings suck

It’s a good thing none of us here on CH are real people, twinstalker excepted of course.

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 29, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

None of you exist in real life

until I meet you. So far only TimAllen, Dogpile, and twinstalker really exist.

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 29, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

The guy I represent isn't too bad, but sometimes he gets on my nerves

It’s always the same old guilt trip for all the time I spend here.

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 29, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That's one of the things

twinstalker and I talked about last night: how much more time we spend here than we should.

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 7:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Props to CJ!!

Awesome guy. I got the itch to actually talk with one or more of you smarties, so I cabbed it to Kieran’s to find that guy in the Pekovic t-shirt. The cynical one exaggerates his weight, so it took me three trips around the bar until spotting the #14.

You can't...dust...for vomit.

by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I really am that heavy,

but I’m kind of dense, so maybe it doesn’t show as much as I feel it does.

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

In that case...I don't exist

which makes me the only honest non-entity on CH.

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
If that doesn't work, cheat.

by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 30, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

For the record,

I am a poorly coded bot from the future, sent back to post stupid one liners.

by JMGrady on Jan 30, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

You too?

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Oooooh.

Binary solo!

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Whatever you do

Don’t go to a Vikings game. ;)

Follow @canishoopus

by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 29, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

That is off my agenda.

The games I went to when I was a fan were pretty terrible experiences.

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 29, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Too expensive anyway.

Not sure how people come to the conclusion that those tickets are a good value.

by Grover M on Jan 29, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

My twitter: www.twitter.com/HogeJ

by John Doe on Jan 29, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd for crack

If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 29, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions  

+10000. I would have been crying.

RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ

by AndrePatterson on Jan 29, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

This made me laugh

and then feel sad for the guy who fell.

Probably ruined his night/self-esteem.

by LoveTo on Jan 29, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Aw man...

I only did the laughing part. Now I feel bad for the guy, and feel like a bad person for needing someone else to remind me to feel bad for him.

My twitter: www.twitter.com/HogeJ

by John Doe on Jan 29, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I can't stand fans who leave games early when the outcome is not decided yet.

There were two people sitting next to me who left when it was 92-91 Lakers with 4 minutes left. I wanted to yell at them and ban them from the Target Center for life. I mean, do these people go to movie theaters and leave just before the ending? Why waste the money?!? Arghhh!!!

Follow me on Twitter @timallenonline

by TimAllen on Jan 29, 2012 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I was really hoping we could pull off the miracle finish

in part so those people who left early would have really missed out.

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 7:22 AM CST up reply actions  

consider attending a soccer game this summer
—I took advantage of a quiet moment in the second quarter to scream, "Andrew Bynum is bad at basketball!" They had to hear me on the court. That made my night.

you will fit right in

by BrazilYinzer on Jan 30, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I make the exact same sort of comments

I will sometimes yell specific and dry complaints like “I disagree with that call you just made on that play!” or “You’re a worse-than-average basketball player!” It serves to do nothing but amuse me and help me cope with the absurdity of cheering at sports events.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 30, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude, I'm not even kidding, I think I just heard you.

I’m catching up, 3rd quarter of Lakers game, KLove hits free throws.

Quiet.

“ANDREW BYNUM IS something something BASKETBALL!”

7:16 remaining in the third.

Live And Stupid From England

by JonesTheCat on Jan 31, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Now I'm a celebrity in England!

Woohoo!

(My memory tells me I did it in the second quarter, but I suppose it could have been the third.)

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I watched on TV and the fan cheering for the Lakers

was very noticable and annoying. Love commented on it negatively after the game, saying he didn’t like seeing all the Laker jersey’s in the crowd.

WTF is wrong with people? Let’s be front runners and watch the rapist put down our exciting young Wolves club. Woohoo.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Jan 29, 2012 11:18 PM CST reply actions  

Fairweather laker fans are idiots

Really, I have yet to see one of these guys in real life…Where are they hiding when the lake show isn’t here?

If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 29, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

The Pats have been good long enough

I’m not sure you can even tell their fair weather fans from their real ones anymore. Maybe they’ve forgotten too.

by Cobra312004 on Jan 29, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's idiotic...

but at least the local ones feel a kinship to a team with MN roots. Not that that has anything to do with their interest. They only escape my derision on a technicality…

by deus04 on Jan 29, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Laker games make me lose my faith in humanity.

There is no lower form of human being than bandwagon Laker fans. They are utterly reprehensible.

My twitter: www.twitter.com/HogeJ

by John Doe on Jan 29, 2012 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

^Wayzata grad

FWIW

My twitter: www.twitter.com/HogeJ

by John Doe on Jan 29, 2012 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

You needn't.

Wayzata does indeed have a higher-than-average concentration of a-holes. I won’t deny that.

My twitter: www.twitter.com/HogeJ

by John Doe on Jan 29, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Yankee fans?

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 29, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

They're certainly up there

2nd worst on my list, with no other team’s fanbase coming close.

My twitter: www.twitter.com/HogeJ

by John Doe on Jan 29, 2012 11:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate the Yankees franchise more

But there’s nothing worse than a Lakers fan.

by Cobra312004 on Jan 29, 2012 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

bandwagon Knicks fans are more reprehensible

they travel in equally large packs, have a similar mob mentality but have no winning history or current reason to be a Knicks fan. in fact, the knicks are one of the most poorly constructed teams in the NBA. That team was made by a frittata who should be flipping burgers. 90% of NBA fans could make a better team that that and would know you don’t waive Billups. Anger the basketball gods.

by monkeywolf on Jan 29, 2012 11:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe Kahn gave out free tix and Lakers jerseys to those fans

It’s his ways of brainwashing Love to hate the Lakers.

Heard Clockwork Orange was his favorite movie.

That man’s a genius.

by Rodman99 on Jan 30, 2012 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

haha amazing!

http://www.davechisholmmusic.com

by davechisholm on Jan 30, 2012 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

You guys have an issue that your FO has created that htey need to fix

You have way to many decent players and not enough star type players. when you play 11 players and still have Darko, tolliver, and barea not enter the game then that should tell you MAKE A TRADE!!! Package your best assets that your not going to use (darko, williams, beasely, Luke) and get back someone in a position you need. If you don’t do that you will have players upset all year over playing time.

by Kazper on Jan 29, 2012 11:22 PM CST reply actions  

Hey!

That’s so crazy, it just might work!

by LoveTo on Jan 29, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay so who do you want for Batum?

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 29, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

honestly I want to trade batum while his value is high

At best I see him like a bruce bowen type player. Decent defender, can shoot the 3, and will be a good role plaeyr. But every around here is obsessed with keeping him like hes going to be an all star. Andn hes going to want like 9-10 mil probably next year. I would rather trade him and get value… but people on blazersedge jump on me like crazy when i don’t sing praises to their golden boy.

by Kazper on Jan 29, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed - problems are many though

Have no real GM. Guy who is theoretically running the team (Kahn) is not good at talent evaluation and depending on rumors may actually have no real power any more. Taylor is worried about pinching pennies and likeliy thinks everything is peachy due to being able to sell tickets again. Kahn & Taylor are both likely holding out irrational hope that Wes, Beasley, and Randolph all have a “magic happens” moment and become awesome.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Jan 29, 2012 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I already proposed this trade yesterday at SSAR, recieved a lot of positivity

Lakers get:

Wes Johnson
Brad Miller
Future 2nd round draft pick

Wolves get:

Kobe Bryant
Pau Gasol

If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 29, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't do it.

I like Pau, but Kobe on the Wolves would make me angrier than Cassell and Sprewell on the Wolves. I might stop watching altogether.

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 29, 2012 11:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I suppose they can afford to have a sense of humor

(just thinking back to all the Love and Rubio taunts/hypotheticals we’ve had to endure over the years…shudder…)

by deus04 on Jan 29, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope.

Too crazytown. Stockpiling is the way to go, yo.

by Grover M on Jan 29, 2012 11:24 PM CST reply actions  

ugh.. my wife is making me watch the Kim Kardashian season finale where she rags all over Kris Humphries..

WTF? First, I hate supporting the Kardashians and contributing in any small form to their ratings.. Second, why is Kris getting ragged on my everyone? Kim was clearly culpable for their divorce/scam wedding.

by bsg007 on Jan 29, 2012 11:29 PM CST reply actions  

Man.

You must really love her. (Your wife that is. Not Kim Kardashian.)

by Grover M on Jan 29, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

My wife checks in on that show once in a while.

And when she stops on it for a second when I’m in the room. She quickly turns the channel because I would lose it if i had to watch it. I would literally leave the room, house or start a fight before I watch that show or contribute to it’s ratings.

by Kyleb_82 on Jan 30, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

You should have

had a “No Kardashian” clause in your prenup.

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 29, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

so smart.. can't believe I didn't do it..

between the fucking Kardashians, the Bachelor programs and the Beverly Hills Housewives, I want to shoot myself.

by bsg007 on Jan 29, 2012 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Glad I don't have cable anymore.

Sounds gruesome. My wife once in a while tunes in to the Bachelor/ette show. Terribleness.

by Grover M on Jan 29, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I was in a club once where there were tvs all round the walls all showing some Kardashian programme

However because of the fact it was a club, they were on mute. With subtitles.

I kid you not, one of the most surreal experiences.

Live And Stupid From England

by JonesTheCat on Jan 30, 2012 8:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

How do they get across the nasal tone of their voices on the closed captions?

I assume every word is spelled with a series of hhhhhhs and nnnnnns.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 30, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Kardashians, Bachelor, and BHH exist so that...

You can watch your beloved Puppies.

You can't...dust...for vomit.

by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

After having to suffer through watching the Wolves lose tonight,

that is clearly cruel and unusual puishment. Actually, watching the Kardashians would be cruel and unusual anytime…

by MNHawkeye on Jan 29, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I think she picked him for her temporary marriage windfall

because he was handsome and his height made her massive caboose look smaller in comparison.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Jan 29, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate celebrities

I guess we’re the same way with sports, though. Women/people who don’t watch sports probably think we’re idiots for getting emotionally invested in this stuff

If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 29, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Just keep telling her how hot Kim is

That ought to turn channels

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 29, 2012 11:31 PM CST reply actions  

didn't work my friend.. it never does..

I get bitched at for saying other women are hot and she continues to watch the show.. I just put my headphones on..

by bsg007 on Jan 29, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just going to say that if we had SuperDarko every game..

we would contend for a title this year. Dang you Darko for being such a headcase.

by bsg007 on Jan 29, 2012 11:38 PM CST reply actions  

Off topic

Tonight was the worst night ever getting out of the Target Center. Did everyone take retardation pills tonight? Or was that just the stampede of moronic Laker fans? I could not believe it took me almost an hour and a half to get out of Ramp A.(my most attended ramp) I’m usually out in half that time and I do go to 20-30 games a year.

/rant

by WildWolves on Jan 29, 2012 11:44 PM CST reply actions  

It was more so annoying because I live an hour away and was hungry

and craving white castle and damn cars weren’t moving and people were at a stand still on the skyways

by WildWolves on Jan 29, 2012 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

This reminds me

The last Wolves game I was at, NBA TV was showing it as their nightly game. So anyways, I went to the parking ramp, got in my car, and waited for someone to let me merge into the line. Right when the person in line next to me stopped to let me in, I started to pull up, but this freaking chick and guy in an NBA TV car cut me off and stole my spot. Fucking despicable, especially considering that they almost caused an accident

Also note that I saw them laughing as they pulled in. Fuck you, NBA TV.

If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Pek - Center of the future?

17 PER
.628% TS
.12 WS/48
1 bad ass tattoo

Andrew Bynum: “Thank God they took Pekovic out of the game.”

by Mark Blunt on Jan 30, 2012 12:09 AM CST reply actions  

Pek Is a Monster

But what center wouldn’t love to play against the old man Miller and AntRand?

by Vlade on Jan 30, 2012 12:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Would like to see him continuing to start

Love had a lot of kind words when asked about him prior to the game. I think he really appreciates Pek’s energy and physicality vs. Darko.

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by Wile E Coyote on Jan 30, 2012 12:19 AM CST up reply actions  

The more Pek handles the ball exclusively off low-post feeds and the P’n’R, the better. He is brutally efficient from these spots. Limit his touches on the elbow, appreciate the effort he gives on defense, be pleasantly surprised at his rebounding ability, and leave the shot-blocking/net-minding to his back-up.

by Mark Blunt on Jan 30, 2012 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

And he dunks the fucking ball!

Although that leads to fewer rebounding opportunities for KLove.

by Boss10 on Jan 30, 2012 1:37 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

First, rec'd

Second, what happened to Pek wrt the dunking? Remember all the dunks he missed last year? Was that because he knew Rambis had to go?

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by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I hope I didn’t flag this by mistake. It say “loading” and has a 1 next to flag.

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by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

You rec'd it.

It always looks like that until you re-load. Glitch.

by Madison Dan on Jan 30, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Two thoughts looking towards tomorrow
  1. Adelman should try to keep either Rubio or Love on the floor at all times. Team gets really disjointed really fast when both sit.
  1. I think it is time for the Luke at the 2 experiment to end. Go with Webster/Ellington/Wes at SG. Beasley/Williams/Wes at SF. Luke backs up Rubio so he doesn’t have to play entire halves like tonight.

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by Wile E Coyote on Jan 30, 2012 12:17 AM CST reply actions  

Wow - numbering fail

For the 19th time (or so), I have to remember that you cannot put a blank line between list items.

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by Wile E Coyote on Jan 30, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

How long can you afford to sit Rubio?

If Ridnour is just going to back him up, he needs to be moved, immediately. He’s worth more via trade than as an 8 MPG player behind Rubio. If Barea is ever healthy, Ridnour will have to be moved anyway (they’ll also need a cheap point on the end of the bench).

by Ray Williams? on Jan 30, 2012 12:34 AM CST up reply actions  

His name is likely Malcolm Lee or Wayne Ellington.

I’m under the impression these two are our likely 3rd string PG options once the season plays out. Not sure they move anyone before the deadline though. This compressed season is a killer and healthy bodies are needed league wide.

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by Airete on Jan 30, 2012 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I know that a lot of people hate Beasley here

But he’s the best (only?) SF/wing player you have. If he gets it together (maybe with the help of a good coach like Adelman) and has nights like tonight where he rebounds and isn’t a compete black hole on offense, he could be a solid player. Also, he’s a RFA, so it would be silly to let him go. Just extend him the qualifying offer and work something out.

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by doubleteapot on Jan 30, 2012 12:19 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I think 'hate' is not the right word

I think a lot of people here think he plays inefficient basketball in a way that doesn’t lead to wins. But he seems like a good dude, and if he was a rookie we’d all have a lot more patience. His amount of time in the league at this point makes a radical change very unlikely. For that reason, I don’t think the team should offering him the QO at the end of the year unless he somehow shows consistent improvement over the rest of the season.

That said, I agree with our current set of wings they almost have to play him just to get some semblence of scoring and rebounding on the wing.

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by Wile E Coyote on Jan 30, 2012 12:28 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

And we have a poll to back up the non-hate

The original “hate” poll is gone, but the revised one is there, and the 5% probably represents the haters.
http://www.canishoopus.com/2011/12/13/2634300/how-do-you-feel-about-michael-beasley-revised-with-poll

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by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

In my opinion...

there are two big problems:
- how we start games. For instance against SAS three or four turnovers at the beginning, against LAL 3-11, and so on, and so on. Solution: concentration.
- we need a good wing-player. Solution: a miracle or a trade.

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by blond unicorn on Jan 30, 2012 5:16 AM CST reply actions  

Late to the party, but I just wanted to throw out there

I wasn’t really moved one way or the other by this game. Yes the Lakers are a declining squad; yes the Wolves are rising fast. That said, you can never put a game against the Lakers into the win column until the buzzer hits zero. I thought the Timberpuppies did alright, but fell on some matchup problems due to having three or four major players thrown back into the mix recently. Ricky didn’t shoot well tonight, and that’s also expected for a guy who’s posting up all-time quality numbers. The Wolves have been winning tough games, and the Lakers have been losing more than they usually do, so it’s understandable to me. Yeah, I’d have liked to see them wipe that smug grin off Kobe’s face that he had plastered on for the last three minutes, but don’t worry, we’ll play them more this season. Lost a battle, but we can still win the war.

by Spanish_Inquisition on Jan 30, 2012 6:59 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Nice post.

That’s pretty much how I feel.

I wish we hadn’t allowed two Bynum dunks down the stretch — that was my biggest gripe about how the game played out.

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by Andy G on Jan 30, 2012 7:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed...

Put him on the line.

When we were down 11 we had about 4 possessions in a row with Webster and Miller shooting and ended up with 0 points. Not a great way to make a comeback with guys who haven’t played in 9 months or so. Always want the good shooters taking shots.

As for Rubio, think he needs to pick his spots better. Think he was kind of amped to beat Pau. Hopefully Beas, Webster and JJ will lighten the pressure for him to score and his %’s will rise.

by Rodman99 on Jan 30, 2012 8:12 AM CST up reply actions  

We pretty much lost because of two things imo

1) Horrible shooting

2) No Darko

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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 7:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Love it.

Darko has now transformed himself into a key to success. Who’d a thunk?

by Grover M on Jan 30, 2012 7:25 AM CST up reply actions  

On the bright side of things....

…..last night’s game would have been an “ok outing” for Darko, shooting wise.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2012 7:26 AM CST up reply actions  

The sad part is its true

If Darko’s in Bynum certainly doesn’t dominate the way that he did

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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not buying it

Pek played well. Bynum even made mention of it after the game. Pek didn’t even get 3 minutes in the 2nd half.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

To be fair...

….Brown didn’t seem to know what to do with it. Even if he did, Kobe would have just done what he wanted to do, anyway.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Pek Did Play Well

But people are reading WAY too much into Bynum’s comments. Bynum scored a couple of buckets in the first quarter against Pek and Pau lit up both Pek and Love. I think all we can take from Bynum’s comment is that no one likes playing against Pek, especially when the backup is AntRand. Darko is by far our best defender against most 4s and 5s.

by Vlade on Jan 30, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Pek didn't really stop Bynum at all while he was in. He was beasting.

Of course Pek’s offense is better, but Darko is unquestionably a much better defender. He has shut down some big names, and regardless of how much our fanbase seems to hate him, he fills a need on our team.

Darko also seems to step up against great players and Euro players so we probably would have seen a good game from him.

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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Unquestionably?

I’ll raise a question. 82games data show that the Wolves give up 94.0 points per 100 possessions when Pek is on the court and 103.2 when he is off the court. For Darko, it’s 103.4 when he’s on the court, and 100.7 when he’s off the court.

On/off stats may not be perfect, but those numbers certainly raise a question about who the better defender is.

by Madison Dan on Jan 30, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't buy the on/off stats

Darko has been starting most of the games, and we usually have absolutely horrible starts. I don’t think that’s on him because the guy he’s guarding usually has a bad night.

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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

While this does seem to be true

How good is the team defense when Darko is on the court? It’s possible that Pek is playing with our better defensive players, but it does raise the question of whether Pek is a better team defender than Darko. He’s clearly not in Darko’s class as a shot-blocker, but everything else is open for debate.

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by nja700 on Jan 30, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure, I'll have to watch for that

Darko seems a bit quicker as well, though, so take from that what you will

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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Darko is a lot quicker.

Pros for Darko on defense is that he’s faster has better reach. He strips the ball from opponents who are aren’t paying attention and moves his feet well. Cons is that he gets gassed quickly and resorts to fouling when beat and doesn’t rebound particularly well for his position.

Pekovic isn’t as fast, but he holds position and forces bigs further from the basket. His foul trouble is usually on the offensive end making his defensive lapses more painful as they result in lost minutes. His rebounding also needs work, but only on the defensive end as he is an elite offensive rebounder.

We have a pretty big sample size on Darko. I don’t think he’s a positive trade asset and we need him for some match-ups. Pekovic on the other hand should be getting as many minutes as he can stay on the court for while he’s producing at the level he has this year. If that’s for 7 seasons great. If he’s experiencing a Wayne Ellington production spike then not so much.

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by Airete on Jan 30, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Pek just needed time to get used to the rules here

Also, the refs gave him a rookie treatment it seemed. He’s had the potential all along, and I doubt he’s going to stop now that he’s been doing well and has probably made himself more well known among refs.

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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Still don't buy it

Pek certainly doesn’t block as many shots, but he’s cut down on his fouls and he stays in front of people (for the most part).

According to Synergy Darko has had 105 plays run against him, with a .79 ppp success rate. He is holding opponents to 11-35 in post up situations (good for 16th in the league) and is getting torched on the man part of the pick and roll (7-11).

Pek has had 39 plays run against him that have ended in a fga, to, or ft. Opponents are 10-29, good for a .72 ppp. He’s had 22 post up plays and is holding opponents to .68 ppp. He’s only had 5 pnr plays run against him where he’s guarding the man on the roll.

It’s a small sample size but that combined with the on/off numbers combined with the popcorn machine from last night’s game (Bynum had 0 rebounds in the 1st half and only 9 of his 21 points against Pek) and I just don’t see how what you are saying is true. Pek dominated the glass and held Bynum to 9 points.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

His point STILL STANDS!!!!

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by Airete on Jan 30, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

SILENCE!!!

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

In CJ's defense

Darko seems to always draw the toughest opposing C/PF assignment and is only on the floor when an opposing teams’ starters are out there. He’s never out there late in the 1st/3rd or early in the 2nd/4th quarters (although that’s kind of telling in and of itself). I would be interested to see Pek start for a good stretch of games and see how he does. Perhaps his interior scoring and rebounding more than makes up for whatever defensive shortcomings he might have compared to Darko (if there really are any).

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 30, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess its just from watching Darko take on the tough big man assignment every night

I would still contend that Darko is the better defender regardless of what the stats say. Pek has not been used as the defensive anchor up until the last few games. Darko has had to deal with the best big man on most of the teams we’ve played, and usually only starts, so he pretty much only deals with the toughest lineups.

Bynum had his way with Pek when he was in, and I have no idea why they stopped feeding the ball to him as he seemed to be hitting his shots at a very high rate. I would probably put that on Kome, as well as Mike Browns offense that he’s still messing around with. I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that they stopped feeding it into the post because he wanted to mix things up or some BS.

Anyways, I love Pek, but he just doesn’t have the length or quickness of Darko. I just don’t see why we can’t give some credit to the big man.

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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

RE: Why they stopped feeding Bynum (and Pau) the ball

Kobe. Kobe, Kobe, Kobe, Kobe ;)

As for credit to Darko, I think I’m prohibited by law from doing so ;)

Plus, I’m really rooting for 1 player on this current roster to step up and become an above average starter. Pek would be the most amazing “step-up” available. Additional bit of awesome: he and Love are the only McHale guys still on the roster. I remember when McHale went over to Europe, came back, and said that he just saw “the beast” (or something to that effect). I think Pek starting would be a fitting end to Manna from Heaven and Kahn being able to wrap his head around that would be a nice way forward.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, I hope the best for Pek as well

He’s one of the most fun guys to watch on the team and is very likeable. I just don’t think he’ll ever be an enforcer in the paint because of his shorter stature and seemingly shortish arms (maybe its just his frame, I don’t know).

I just need to find a Pek jersey and I’ll be golden.

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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

"Bynum had his way with Pek when he was in . . ."

Didn’t I read that against Pek yesterday Bynum had nine points and zero boards? That’s not exactly “having his way” with him.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I laughed.

There’s Darko and then there’s Super Darko. There’s Good Darko and then there’s Bad Darko. Now there’s No Darko as opposed to what? MIA Darko? Unfortunately all of them belong to the TWolves.

Darko is like that guy in the back seat on a long road trip that drives you f#@*ing crazy, and then every time you stop he buys the gas.

I wonder how he will react to Pek’s success?

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by pastyearsears on Jan 30, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

True...

…it’s nothing to get too worked up over, but on the other hand that’s 15 straight lost battles. Would have been nice to put an end to that shit streak.

by Hold_Steady on Jan 30, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Another great Game Wrap

even if it felt you were channeling Bobby Knight.

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by beatsandpeasnyc on Jan 30, 2012 7:54 AM CST reply actions  

Great summary SnP

I agree wholeheartedly with your comment “but if there is one thing I do not want to see with this particular club, it is for it to fall into the They do it the right way/they tried hard/they’re really neat/cute/whatever.”

The whole “tried hard/small market/Little Engine/plucky lovable loser” identity is one of the most annoying things about living here. That, and the driver paralysis that happens at 4-way stop signs. It doesn’t seem like RA, Love, Rubio are the type of people to adopt that identity so there’s hope it doesn’t become a cultural norm. (Unlike the Twins, who seem unable to function in any way other than feeling sorry for themselves.)

Another gripe, and I’m sure I could search for this in the archives but I’m lazy, does anyone find Hanneman laughable?

Sorry for the negativity, but I agree with SnP, they were being handed a gift, they refused to take it. I’m a little grumpy.

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by JazzyCabbages on Jan 30, 2012 8:39 AM CST reply actions  

Hanny is a bit of a homer

Its always funny to hear the awkward difference between his homerism and Jim Petes painfully realistic and cynical takes.

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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Ah, stop

you’re making me homesick.

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by uncle rico on Jan 30, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Winning January?

Despite the disappointing loss, (I think Pek should have been back in late in the 4th quarter) we are currently 9-8 in January! If we can regroup and beat Houston tonight, we would have a winning month. Would it be the first one since January of ’09 (the month before Jefferson tore up his knee)?

by skip32 on Jan 30, 2012 9:32 AM CST reply actions  

Great summary by SnP, but keep this in mind, too...

There is noise to every prediction, and there is noise to every trend. While SnP is not going to write a recap that simply says “Hey, this loss was due to noise,” I think we have to keep in mind that there are going to be dips (this game maybe) and there are going to be spikes (the LAC game maybe) that might provide unexpected results. This is obvious, so my point really is that this loss doesn’t bother me so much.

For one, while Rubio is probably going to have more 2-13 nights, they are the low end of his production. Luke low end. Ellington low end. Webster is going to get better, and it’s obvious using the eyeball test that he’s going to be far and away the best option at the wing. Pau hit everything (the high end), and Kobe hit all the shots at the finish (the high end).

The Wolves aren’t good enough yet and don’t have quite all the talent yet they need to have so much low end production when a team like the Lakers gets the high end in key areas and at key points. That doesn’t mean we don’t need to examine what went wrong and where the problem areas are…it’s just something to keep in mind.

I may be wrong here, but didn’t OKC lose to the Wizards? If that can happen with the Thunder continuing to be the best team in the West, we can lose to this Laker team at home without it affecting where we are or where we’re going. Right now, the Wolves are not a playoff team (and I don’t mean just in the standings), and by the end of the season they could be (whether they make it or not). We’ll agonize and re-hash each loss, as we should, but sometimes along with the mistakes and all…shit just happens.

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by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

Exactly

When they play relatively solid D and don’t have a mob of TO’s, I’m not as pissed. I’m still pissed because I expect an 8th seed and this is a team in front. But, they lost because they went cold. A lot of them were open shots, too, not end of shot clock desperation.

At least our list of worries is narrowing — bad coach (scratch), bad O system (scratch), bad pgs (scratch), bad D (scratch), bad Cs (1/2 way scratch with Pek improving), bad wings (Martell helps), no depth (scratch), turnovers (1/2 scratch), long cold shooting stretches (still a problem).

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by ChicagoViking on Jan 30, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

trades

first i’d like to say that i don’t think we should panic and hurry a trade, but i also think we should listen and not be too timid in case the right player is available.
However it seems pretty obvious that there are some players that are of higher value on the roster than on the open market.

Beasley, AR, Webster and Darko arent worth more than a 2nd rounder to most teams, either beacause they are known headcases(beasley/AR) or have rather bad contracts (Web/Darko).

Then there are the players who’s trade value equals their team value. Being Ridnour, JJ, Miller and Wes (with the last 2’s value beeing pretty low.) Also Ridnours team value will probably diminish once JJ is back and vice versa.

Pek, Rubio and Love shouldn’t be touched, because they are studs and near perfect fits.

Williams is the only guy on the roster who’s trade value is higher than his value for the team. It is pretty obvious that he has the tools to be a star in this league, but that he also needs play the 4 to use those tools effectively. I think he could be a decent option at the three. But he will never be better at sf than at pf.

I think, if we can get good value for williams, meaning batum being on the low end and maybe gordon on the high end of the good value scale, we should pull the trigger, but don’t take anything less (derozan being less because he cant shoot and seems to be more volume than effeciency)

by Era on Jan 30, 2012 11:09 AM CST reply actions  

Nothing is more efficient in the NBA business

Than having a very good player early in his rookie contract. By trading Williams, the Wolves aren’t just giving up talent, they’re giving that efficiency to some team. That needs to cost A LOT. Getting the right talent at too high of cost isn’t the best decision. I worry the Wolves don’t optimize this.

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by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Pek?

He hasn’t had that many good games to consider him no longer the foul machine. Darko is currently a much better defensive player. As long as Darko and Pek can coexist with each getting minutes when appropriate, i want to keep the Eastern Block.

by midlife crisis on Jan 30, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Good breakdown...

this is how I see it as well… Williams is the only guy who makes sense in trade. We can’t fire-sale him because he seems legitimately talented, but we should be entertaining as many offers as possible.

Beasley could also bring in something as an expiring (or even by duping a foolish GM).

by vjl110 on Jan 30, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

You are right

But I also think, that at some point you have to stop stockpiling assets and start buiding a cohesive roster. I think that is one of the mistakes Portland made.
Imagine what value they could have gotten for bayless when he was still a #3 three pick who was putting up rediculous numbers in preseason and it was pretty obvious that there was no room for him on the roster.

The Wolves still have a lot of players on rookie contracts. i just think that with Love being the cornerstone williams will not reach the value for the wolves that he would have as a trade asset.

by Era on Jan 30, 2012 11:34 AM CST reply actions  

being from portland I can speak to this

-side note before i start bayless was #13 pic not quite as high.
-but you are right they kept stock piling good players instead of going after stars. And i see you guys doing the same things.

Being from a small market there are two ways to get stars: draft them, trade for them. You guys are close to being a legit team. You have a stud PG and a good Big man. Im one of the few thats not as high on Love. He puts up Awesome numbers, and gives you some great stuff. But hes not the best 1 on 1 defender, and he hasn’t shown to be that #1 guy that can carry a team. Not yet anywyays, but he could always turn into that. But past those two players you guys have either young guys or head cases that are some what talented. In the NBA the best teams have 2-3 studs and then really only go a total of 8-9 players deep. After that they usually have garbage cuz they spend hteir money and time on those first 8-9 players. You need to find a way to take a package of your players and get back 1 or 2 players that will actually make a difference. But hey thats just my opinion :)

by Kazper on Jan 30, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Love's no #1.

Not a chance… 4th in the league in scoring? A #1 needs to be first in scoring. A better than average drtg? Send that man back to the D-League, a #1 needs to be the best defensive stopper in the league.

God he’s even second place in rebounding now. That’s no real #1. For that matter might as well just amnstey him right now.

by bustaone on Jan 30, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I got in a little twitter argument with krawczynski about that
@APkrawczynski I guess Love still isn’t a #1 option? Even though he scored more than Kobe on 8 less FG?
@coffeejanitor Who won the game? And who made big shots down the stretch and who didn’t? Love is great, but no Kobe.
@coffeejanitor Like I said, he’s shown signs of doing it and he’s only 23 so he can improve. But that has been an issue in first 3 yrs.
@APkrawczynski They lost because of horrible guard shooting & Darko being out, which allowed Bynum to take them apart. Kobe wasn’t that hot.

Kind of a dumb take by me as obviously Kobe is a better pure scorer, but idk.

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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

(you could have used my pek v bynum stuff)

;) no boards, 9 points. no boards, 9 points.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Just a note: When islands move?
The island of misfit toys moves along once again.

That’s a Kraken.

Below the thunders of the upper deep,
Far, far beneath in the abysmal sea,
His ancient, dreamless, uninvaded sleep
The Kraken sleepeth: faintest sunlights flee
About his shadowy sides; above him swell
Huge sponges of millennial growth and height;
And far away into the sickly light,
From many a wondrous and secret cell
Unnumber’d and enormous polypi
Winnow with giant arms the lumbering green.
There hath he lain for ages, and will lie
Battening upon huge sea-worms in his sleep,
Until the latter fire shall heat the deep;
Then once by man and angels to be seen,
In roaring he shall rise and on the surface die.

(Dang. I was gonna tweak that to be about Pekovic or something, but it just kicks so much butt I don’t want to now.)

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by feral on Jan 30, 2012 12:16 PM CST reply actions  

The entire NBA is suffering from lack of practice time

I’m starting to wonder if our best move wouldn’t be to forfeit a couple of games and spend 3-4 days in a row practicing. (Like the League would let us do it, but still….)

We’ve got the pieces but we haven’t had time to figure out how they fit together.

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by TMiss on Jan 30, 2012 12:52 PM CST reply actions  

test

Guys, just a newcomer. It has been fun to read the threads in this site.

by rickyrules on Jan 30, 2012 1:21 PM CST reply actions  

Bad time

I had strange and mixed feelings about Adelman in yesterdays game… for a while it seemed to me as he didn’t care so much about winning this particular game, Like he was more into trying stuff with the freshly recovered players… It didn’t fit his previous attitude, when he was even pushing too much some players minutes just because the team NEEDED those victories to get in the winning mood.
Personally I NEEDED that win, and I DID care, mainly because I was being cruelly denied to keep watching Pekovic writing another golden page in basketball history when he seemed to be flattening the earth. So at least to see a victory, man.

I couldn’t understand as well Ricky’s attitude with Fisher. He should have eaten his balls, and he was behaving like those days you feel you are dressing funny and you just don’t want to stand out.

God, how little I know about the Nba. Lakers had players I had never seen, in fact I don’t think they are real players. Those were people they hired to balance the plane weight or something. Uf, I’m feeling bad for Pau now, he must be in a “this is not the same girl I took to my bed yesterday night” mood.

And you have to understand that if Ron Artest keeps “playing” on the NBA, you are encouraging the rest of the countries to beat you in the Olympics, it really seems f. possible right now and I’m not the optimistic kind of guy.

by LoboLoco on Jan 30, 2012 1:54 PM CST reply actions  

Speaking of the Olympics...

Not sure where else to put this, but it has to go somewhere. A little back and forth between Ricky and Kobe about London from this write-up: http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/34628391

Kobe Bryant to Ricky Rubio and Pau Gasol: “You talking about London?”
Gasol: “Oh yeah.”
Rubio:“You’re gonna be there?”
Bryant “Yeah.”
Rubio: “You know you’re getting the silver medal. You know that.”
Bryant: “[expletive]. I’m taking bets! [laughs] If I win I get the keys of Barcelona.”
Rubio: “I bet what you want.”
Bryant: “I take it!”

Video: http://www.marca.com/tv/?v=IdaFvAQGzgf

Maybe from after the game last night. Anyway, I thought it was pretty funny.

by MNHawkeye on Jan 30, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

That's pretty awesome

If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha. ha hahahaha!

Ricky should have eaten his balls? I hope that was a cross-culture translation error lol. I cannot express how funny this is to me via text.

Don’t feel bad re: Lakers players. I spent the entire first half trying to figure out who the hell their backup PG was. I also had no idea Troy Murphy was on that team.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 30, 2012 2:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, Forget about my fast English impulsive translations on the go...

It’s all probably shameful and embarrassing to read for the native speakers…

by LoboLoco on Jan 30, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

No don't worry, its great

If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Not in the least

I thought that turn of phrase was rather amusing.

Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."

by Xand1 on Jan 30, 2012 3:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Me too - I think that is our best lineup

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Jan 30, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I've been a Beasley backer, but I want him to have to work

Hard to regain his minutes. They should be running specific plays for him so that he takes shots the coaches want him to take. I want to see him keep rebounding, passing and defending. I want to see him shut down a Houston wing tonight. He wants to be a star, I want to see him play like one.

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 30, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

me 3

Beas can create his own shots, not klove:).

by rickyrules on Jan 30, 2012 3:14 PM CST reply actions  

Right!

I’ve never seen Beasley create KLove.

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I have

We have a ceramics class together and Love was our nude.

by WolvesBigTicket on Jan 30, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I stand corrected.

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

No.

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 30, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

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