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If the Wolves could trade Wes Johnson, would you do it?

As I was walking down the infamous Broadway of Seattle, a thought occurred to me: If the Wolves could trade Wes Johnson for someone would they?

Or more accurately, would the Wolves trade for John Salmons. But I got a better idea. Why not swap each rosters problems for each other? Darko Milicic plus Wes Johnson for Salmons.





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Why? Because the Wolves need a competent wing, Darko Milicic is of little use (tossing in Hassan Whiteside to do this deal presents me no issue's whatsoever--anyone else forget it), the Kings need to take Salmons out of the mix (or find a very new role--unlikely to happen) for a variety of reasons really.

The disadvantage of Salmons is that he can be a volume scorer as Michael Beasley can be. The advantage is that Salmons can do it more efficiently. Here are the season by season stats for Salmons career:

Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2002-03 23 PHI NBA 64 1 7.9 0.8 1.8 .414 0.2 0.5 .323 0.4 0.5 .743 0.3 0.7 0.9 0.7 0.3 0.1 0.5 0.8 2.1
2003-04 24 PHI NBA 77 24 20.8 2.1 5.4 .387 0.6 1.9 .340 0.9 1.2 .772 0.5 2.1 2.5 1.7 0.8 0.2 1.0 1.6 5.8
2004-05 25 PHI NBA 58 8 17.1 1.5 3.6 .405 0.5 1.6 .341 0.6 0.8 .729 0.2 1.9 2.1 2.0 0.7 0.2 0.9 1.6 4.1
2005-06 26 PHI NBA 82 24 25.1 2.7 6.4 .420 0.3 1.1 .299 1.9 2.4 .775 0.6 2.1 2.7 2.7 0.9 0.2 1.5 2.2 7.5
2006-07 27 SAC NBA 79 19 27.0 3.0 6.5 .456 0.5 1.4 .357 2.0 2.6 .779 0.6 2.7 3.3 3.2 0.9 0.3 1.5 2.2 8.5
2007-08 28 SAC NBA 81 41 31.1 4.7 9.9 .477 0.5 1.5 .325 2.6 3.2 .823 0.9 3.4 4.3 2.6 1.1 0.4 2.1 2.1 12.5
2008-09 29 TOT NBA 79 74 37.5 6.5 13.8 .472 1.6 3.8 .417 3.6 4.4 .830 0.7 3.5 4.2 3.2 1.1 0.3 2.1 2.3 18.3
2008-09 29 SAC NBA 53 53 37.4 6.6 14.0 .472 1.5 3.5 .418 3.6 4.4 .823 0.8 3.4 4.2 3.7 1.1 0.2 2.3 2.3 18.3
2008-09 29 CHI NBA 26 21 37.7 6.3 13.4 .473 1.9 4.5 .415 3.7 4.4 .843 0.6 3.7 4.3 2.0 1.0 0.6 1.7 2.3 18.3
2009-10 30 TOT NBA 81 56 34.9 5.4 12.2 .441 1.5 3.8 .382 3.1 3.8 .830 0.4 2.9 3.3 2.8 1.2 0.3 1.5 2.0 15.4
2009-10 30 CHI NBA 51 28 33.2 4.5 10.7 .420 1.4 3.8 .380 2.3 2.9 .789 0.4 3.1 3.4 2.5 1.3 0.4 1.4 2.0 12.7
2009-10 30 MIL NBA 30 28 37.6 6.9 14.8 .467 1.5 3.9 .385 4.6 5.3 .867 0.6 2.6 3.2 3.3 1.1 0.1 1.8 2.2 19.9
2010-11 31 MIL NBA 73 70 35.0 5.1 12.3 .415 1.1 3.0 .379 2.7 3.3 .813 0.4 3.3 3.6 3.5 1.0 0.4 1.9 2.2 14.0
2011-12 32 SAC NBA 19 19 27.9 2.8 8.1 .351 0.6 2.8 .222 0.7 0.9 .722 0.4 2.8 3.3 1.7 1.0 0.2 1.1 2.2 7.0
Career NBA 693 336 27.0 3.6 8.2 .439 0.8 2.1 .363 2.0 2.5 .806 0.5 2.6 3.1 2.5 0.9 0.3 1.5 1.9 10.0
Here is the advanced stats for Salmons career:
Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
2002-03 23 PHI NBA 64 504 9.5 .502 .457 3.7 10.2 6.9 14.3 1.8 0.9 18.1 14.3 99 105 0.2 0.4 0.6 .058
2003-04 24 PHI NBA 77 1603 10.6 .485 .447 2.8 11.5 7.2 14.5 2.1 0.8 14.4 15.6 98 103 0.4 1.7 2.1 .064
2004-05 25 PHI NBA 58 993 9.7 .511 .479 1.3 12.5 6.9 17.5 2.0 1.0 18.1 12.6 100 105 0.2 1.2 1.4 .066
2005-06 26 PHI NBA 82 2059 10.7 .508 .445 2.7 9.8 6.3 16.7 1.8 0.5 17.0 16.3 100 110 0.5 1.2 1.7 .040
2006-07 27 SAC NBA 79 2135 12.7 .553 .495 2.5 12.2 7.3 18.8 1.7 1.0 16.4 15.3 108 109 2.0 1.6 3.6 .081
2007-08 28 SAC NBA 81 2517 13.9 .556 .501 3.6 12.6 8.2 13.4 1.9 1.0 15.7 19.2 106 110 2.0 1.7 3.7 .071
2008-09 29 TOT NBA 79 2959 16.0 .580 .530 2.3 10.8 6.5 14.5 1.4 0.6 11.7 21.3 113 115 4.7 0.8 5.6 .090
2008-09 29 SAC NBA 53 1980 16.0 .573 .524 2.5 10.6 6.5 17.3 1.5 0.3 12.6 21.9 111 116 2.9 0.1 3.0 .072
2008-09 29 CHI NBA 26 979 16.0 .596 .543 1.9 11.2 6.6 8.8 1.3 1.1 9.7 20.2 117 111 1.9 0.7 2.6 .127
2009-10 30 TOT NBA 81 2824 14.7 .553 .501 1.4 9.4 5.4 12.9 1.8 0.7 9.9 19.9 110 106 3.7 3.4 7.1 .121
2009-10 30 CHI NBA 51 1695 12.7 .530 .486 1.2 10.1 5.7 11.6 2.0 1.0 10.3 18.1 106 106 1.2 2.0 3.2 .092
2009-10 30 MIL NBA 30 1129 17.6 .581 .518 1.6 8.3 4.8 15.0 1.6 0.3 9.4 22.7 116 106 2.5 1.4 3.9 .165
2010-11 31 MIL NBA 73 2554 12.8 .510 .462 1.2 11.2 6.1 17.5 1.5 0.9 12.0 20.9 101 105 0.9 3.4 4.3 .081
2011-12 32 SAC NBA 19 531 7.0 .411 .390 1.5 11.6 6.3 10.2 1.8 0.4 11.5 15.0 87 111 -0.3 0.0 -0.3 -0.031
Career NBA 693 18679 12.9 .537 .486 2.3 11.1 6.6 15.3 1.8 0.8 13.6 18.2 105 108 14.3 15.5 29.8 .077

The trick comes in for salary on each side to make this work. One, Minnesota can't absorb significantly more salary due to their cap situation. Two, Sacramento can't take a massive decrease in salary due to being just over the salary floor.

Sometimes deals make sense, and sometimes deals don't. But there is give and take on both sides for this deal for both sides. Is it ideal? Of course not. What is? Darko Milicic has no trade value, whatever value Wes Johnson has is sinking by the day, and the real question is could David Kahn push past his ego to get a deal like this done? Would the Maloofs do it for the Kings given their situation? (I'm not sure Geoff Petrie would factor in this as much as one might hope.)

Darko plus Wes are guaranteed (starting next season) just a bit over 9.51 million combined through next season (and the waived season for Darko) and Salmons is guaranteed 16.666 million over the life of his contract (2 years after this one plus a 1 million dollar buyout for the 3rd season). A greater question would be Glen Taylor take on that extra kind of money to get a competent team, including a push towards a playoff berth with Clipnetsgeddon on the horizon, and would Adelman push for a player like Salmons who is having a down year right now?

I'm not suggesting that the Wolves should or shouldn't do a trade like this. I am suggesting that if the Wolves are to get a talented/competent wing player, and if a quality player short of trading Derrick Williams (which is another problem) is the only way you get a competent wing, there is probably no better win and better timing than now than to get a player like Salmons. I understand why you would say no from a fan perspective. The one thing Salmons does, and his defense is of high quality (especially if he is getting shots), is that he can score while creating shots for himself. There is so me level of shot selection there. He can play the SG for the Wolves (which makes more sense anyway) which is the position of most dire need.

Whatever moves the Wolves make here on out will include risks, and the chances of a veteran rediscovering his magic vs a young player making a leap that many never believe would come in the 1st place is how you can look at this trade. That, and the difference of 7 million over the life of, what I propose anyway, 3 contracts. Yay, Nay? Personally, I would rather keep Salmons as he is a talented player who suffers somewhat from a toxic situation in Sacramento. (Although Salmons isn't without fault as many will tell you.) But, at the end of the day, finding a way to improve your roster (including trading a player like Salmons who is somewhat redundant when it comes to Evans/Thornton in scoring fashion) is the name of the NBA game when you are a team like the Wolves in the situation they are in. No trade scenario exists that is perfect, and all trades are risks. Few trades offer the prospect of moving from a prospect who hasn't worked in his year plus in a Wolves uniform and a player who has no real trade value. That's really the end game when you strip all of this. It makes sense to do a deal like this for both sides for different reasons; the only question is the politics of each ownership and management get in the way? These are the questions that can never be answered until those parties actually give the answer.

Poll
Would you trade John Salmons for Darko Milicic?
Yes
56 votes
No
85 votes
If more assets (like draft picks) was included yes
20 votes

161 votes | Poll has closed

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because as last night proved, you can’t fake height. I’d love Salmons but we need Darko or someone like him on our team.

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by TMiss on Jan 30, 2012 6:26 PM CST reply actions  

wtf

john salmons? all he is is a large volume shooter as you said. IMO we already have too little shots to go around our team as it is. Darko has been a good defensive presence and size for us this season inside, and he’s a lot more useful to our team than salmons.

by andrew33 on Jan 30, 2012 6:27 PM CST reply actions  

Tempting but ultimately no

I just don’t want to be saddled with that Salmons contract.

I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.

by Eric in Madison on Jan 30, 2012 6:39 PM CST reply actions  

No for me.

I think Salmons has proven to be like that last shot of Jameson at the end of the night. Great idea that is lots of fun and taste great at the time but ends up being a huge mistake.

As much as we all agree we need something else on the wing I just don’t think Salmons is our guy.

I also think we are getting reasonable value out of Darko.

by SlowBreak on Jan 30, 2012 6:57 PM CST reply actions  

Trade Wes? Yes.

For Salmons? Oh, HELL NO!

"Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously."
— Hunter S. Thompson

by SoDakHmr on Jan 30, 2012 10:09 PM CST reply actions  

Exactly

Hey Green Bay, where's your WNBA title???

by SDVike on Jan 31, 2012 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Darko is a Wolf for life

He is the glue man. Plus, he’s tall. Minus, he’s the glue man. But he sure is cool.

by Keelhaul on Jan 31, 2012 5:59 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I prefer Fran Garcia

I’ve always viewed Salmons as a get-mine team killer. And that contract?

by foobee on Jan 31, 2012 7:13 AM CST reply actions  

Tempting

the main reason not to is that Pek fouls so much that that there will be nights he’s only good for 20 minutes. At that point if you need a big guy you’ve got Miller and Love and Darko IMO is worth keeping around just for the marquee matchups which he always seems to play well in.

by zebano on Jan 31, 2012 8:46 AM CST reply actions  

Wherever Dwight Howard goes

We’ll need 18 quality fouls to keep him from dominating us. Darko-Pek-Miller at center is a luxury most teams would love to have.

Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!

by TMiss on Jan 31, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

If that's all we are worrying about...

Lets just go with Pek – Miller – (pick up some bum in FA)

by Cris Carter is a Muppet on Jan 31, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not a bad idea...

but i’d rather look to make a different move. It’s not that I think Salmons wouldn’t help much more than Wes, it’s just that I think we might still be able to get a little more.

by Cris Carter is a Muppet on Jan 31, 2012 1:26 PM CST reply actions  

I don't see the fit with Salmons

He’s too old to build around and likely will stop the ball much as Beas does. He might be fine on the seciond unit, bujt not at his contract.
Thanks, but no thanks…

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by Dogpile on Jan 31, 2012 9:17 PM CST reply actions  

For as bad as Wes is

I would almost side on not trading him.

He’s so unproductive that there is almost nothing we could get for him. Might as well just play him through the rookie contract and don’t pick up the option. Hoping he can turn it around, but not thinking it’s likely

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by VoodooMagic on Jan 31, 2012 10:50 PM CST reply actions  

Jonny Flynn

Somehow we were able to trade Flynn for value (Miller and a future 1st in exchange for Flynn and moving down from 20 to 23 in the draft).

If we could get half that for Wes, I’d jump on it.

by Simitar on Feb 1, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Syracuse assets

seem to overachieve in college and underachieve in the NBA almost as much as UCLA players underachieve in college and overachieve in the NBA. Makes you wonder what would happen if you switched Boeheim for Howland?

I am still holding out a little hope that Wes has an amazing off-season and makes a significant jump in his 3rd year. His man defense isn’t bad, but his offense is, uh, I’ll say questionable. He needs some work on strength and his jumper, but I still think he could have more to offer in his career than Corey Brewer if he gets the right coaching and gains some confidence. I definitely wouldn’t want to take on the Salmons contract. Better off targeting Golden State for one of their 3 shooting guards, perhaps Brandon Rush. Brandon Rush will be a free agent, but I might consider trading Darko, Derrick Williams and Ellington to get Brandon Rush, Ekpe Udoh and Dorrell Wright.

by Imyourhuckleberry on Feb 1, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

The way Wes and Darko play

I’d rather go 4 on 5 and give the other team a power play

by mnsportswopwopwah on Feb 3, 2012 11:38 AM CST reply actions  

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