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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 30, 2012 9:39 PM CST
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Tonight Mike Beasley took his Melo Lite impression to the next level. Tonight, against the Rockets and off the bench, B-Easy was the Kansas State dynamo. He had no use for long jumpers. He attacked the rim, took short shots, and wanted nothing to do with finesse.
There is not much else to say about this game. Beasley was the show. He was the best player on the court and it was ridiculous.
Don't look directly at him. Don't talk about what he did. Don't look at the box score. Tell yourself over and over and over and over that it can be repeated. Mumble, "screw trading for someone, this is the guy they really need." Get out your voodoo chickens and rosaries. This is the prayer you need answered. Try not to think about how it is nothing more than an outlier and just enjoy the craziness that came across your TV.
Until later (and try not to think too hard about this one...just pray for the no-long-2s-get-to-the-line Beas).
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Trade Beasley for the Janitor
Just kidding. Pretty great game by him tonight.
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
when
Bad Man Beasley shows up, this team doesn’t even need to play defense.
In his 2 interviews with our FSN
commentators, at halftime and at the end, he seemed unhappy that this was treated as anything special; claiming that he played the same way he always does, did the same things as he always does. He either was resentful that his performance was considered an outlier, or there is some of SnP’s attitude taking charge. That is, he doesn’t want to jinx himself by acknowledging the performance. If he starts munching nuggets instead of skittles, we’ll have our explanation!
This is what worries me..
Beas was amazing, but I don’t think he understands why. To him, it was just a matter of shots going in, versus not going in….I don’t really think he gets it. He was more aggressive towards the rim, and he made his iso moves sooner, not waiting for everyone to come to a total standstill so he could survey the defense…
BTW, It’s good his shot was falling, because he defense was atrocious, in contrast to the decent job he did on D against the Lakers.
Sell high…..
I think he at least understands the concept
Adelman said as much.
No one is going to agree and say yeah Ive been playing like a dickhead for the last 3 years sorry.
by WolvesBigTicket on Jan 31, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
His halftime interview
he said he was taking what the defense gives to him. Is that not different from how he normally plays? You know, forcing bad shots and then turning it over when he starts a dribble?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 31, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
Munching nuggets?
You mean like Denver Nuggets?
"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"
by pastyearsears on Jan 31, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
+/- doesn't mean anything...
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
I’ll take adjusted plus minus over any of Dave Berri’s wins produced numbers every time.
by Spouting Opinions on Jan 30, 2012 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
I can think of one appropriate place
+/- reflecting Jonny Flynn’s abillity to slow opposing PGs
by midlife crisis on Jan 31, 2012 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
But one game’s plus/minus doesn’t mean anything. I’ll agree there.
by Spouting Opinions on Jan 30, 2012 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
I've seen people say this often...
…but haven’t heard an explanation why it is so useless. Anyone care to explain?
Because in one game
Your +/- can be totally skewed by your teammates. You can have a great game, but if the guys you are playin with struggle, they drag you down. Over a larger sample of games, the numbers will begin to normalize.
Why has it worked for Hockey?
And not basketball? Is it just that hockey has quicker subs with line changes?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 31, 2012 6:19 AM CST up reply actions
Hockey +/-
Is very much a different animal. When you are talking about 3 to 7 scores in a game, and most of those scores are the result of a breakdown or extremely good play of some sort, the +/- stat has more game to game relevance. Even in hockey, you have to know what you’re talking about when you look at the stat. The +/- for defense is a pretty important number for them. The +/- for the top shut down line will likely be in the minus, or lower than your top scoring line because of how match ups work. Even then, +/- can be something of a misleading stat because some players get more sheltered minutes… starts in neutral or offensive zone, not matched up against the top scoring line of the opponents, etc… or if you just happen to be on the ice when a complete breakdown happens away from you on the ice, or a really soft goal is scored on your goalie. The stat is still best viewed over the course of a season, and it is best viewed within the context of the team a player is on and not specifically as a general number that easily compares to all other +/- numbers around the league.
Like all stats, it’s a helpful refining tool for understanding what is going on in the game and how certain individuals, in specific situations, are affecting the outcome of the game.
by Krotz the Wall on Jan 31, 2012 6:51 AM CST up reply actions
Team game. Let's say you're the best player on a team, but your team is horrible.
Your +/- will probably be worse than anyone else’s on the team because you’ll have the most PT.
Or, you could be the best player on a bad second unit, again your +/- would say you’re bad when you might be performing well.
+/- is entirely dependent on the way your 4 teammates are playing as well as the other 5 guys you’re going up against. In my opinion, there are far too many variables to take anything from a stat like this,
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
But you aren't playing with the same four guys all the time
Nobody uses line shifts. That’s why you adjust it for who you are playing with and against. When you play with everybody else on your team and you always do worse, it’s not hard to figure out you are a bad player.
Also while it has noisy elements, I appreciate that plus/minus at least acknowledges that it has some random variance as opposed to PER and WS which pretend that there numbers are not the product of some degree of statistical noise.
by Spouting Opinions on Jan 30, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I just don't trust stats with that many variables
I don’t beat the drum for PER or WS. I still think basketball is too much of a team game and has too many variables to be able to make statements based on stuff like +/-.
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Wasn't Brad Miller
+6 in 1:43 with a perfect stat line of 0 all the way across the board?
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
Again
I would never ever draw conclusions off one game’s worth of plus/minus. But I think it’s a better stat than people give it credit.
by Spouting Opinions on Jan 30, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
Use all of them
To come up with a good well rounded conclusion. No stat is the end all be all. Use eyeball, and advanced stats.
by WolvesBigTicket on Jan 30, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
Totally possible
…to positively impact the game that much without recording a stat.
Like the other guys say, this +6 might not mean he played that well in this instance due to noise, etc. but I think long term +- can point out true intangibles.
Then you have so many parameters...
that by the time you have a large enough sample to reach a reasonable confidence interval… you are several seasons down the line and need to worry about age effects.
I've always thought of it
as a reflective stat more than a predictive one. +/- over time allows for a deeper view of a player’s impact on the floor with a variety of players around him and in a variety of situations. I think it’s a tricky stat to try to get predictive about as it offers trends, but trends specifically bound by the variables of a team the situations that that teams finds itself in.
by Krotz the Wall on Jan 31, 2012 6:56 AM CST up reply actions
Just a +/- thing for thought:
Luke is not a single time in the top two player combination by +/- in a game, and there you have 50 times some different Wolves.
Luke is a single time in the top three player combination by +/- in a game, and there you have 150 times some different Wolves.
The other players you won´t find, or almost won´t, in those combinations are Darko (1), Randolph (1) and Wesley (0). Why is this exactly what the eye test has been saying?
Those aren't even adjusted +/-...
so at best they are telling you how a given player compares to his replacement. Luke is often going to be juxtaposed with Rubio in that scenario… not good on your on-off numbers. I don’t think Randolph plays with Love much, so that hurts his numbers. Surprised with Darko, but he plays most of his minutes right at the beginning of the game where we have been terrible. Wes is really really bad.
WOOOOHOOOO
Beasley’s got it all figured out.
Super Bowl home boys.
by fanslaststand on Jan 30, 2012 9:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Ha!
But who wins the Cy Young?
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Awwwww.
That means we’ll never raise the Plunket Shield!
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
That's only if our guy in the Home Depot car catches the snitch first
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
That might require a Triple Lindy!
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
That might be tough. I doubt Michael Phelps has the versatility to run at all three lengths, but at the very least the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness seem within reach.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
Watching the McHale presser...
Beasley seemed like every other word out of his mouth.
by Grover M on Jan 30, 2012 9:51 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Adelman is a good coach… Beasley is a good player who can’t mentally get it together… I think Beasley can finally be the guy everyone expected him to be
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
I gif stuff
He's often the guy we need
And thus far he’s even more often the guy we don’t. Funny how one game influences people so drastically.
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by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
Yup. Although to be fair, it's two games now.
And the exciting part about tonight was that it wasn’t hot shooting. It was physical domination.
Whatever happened last always seems like it'll happen forever.
Sports basics.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
Wheeee!!!
He played two years next to one of the best 3 players on the planet.
Ricky is pure unicorn awesome but B-Easy is B-Easy for a reason, and all the awesome passes in the world aren’t going to change 22 foot jumpers into gold. Beasley’s stumbling block exists in one place: his head. Get to the rim, only take open 3s, turn 16-23 foot jumpers into passes, rebound, and defend as good as he possibly can. He doesn’t need Ricky to be an amazing player.
by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 31, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't want to hear what's in Beasley head
Let’s stick to what we can measure.
What are his numbers on the court with Ricky???
I’d do it, but I don’t know how.
Yeah...
…I’m not going to do that one. Just go look at his production in Miami and last year. We have a pretty good handle on what it will take for him to be productive, with or without Ricky.
Think it's pretty well documented what went wrong there
Stick to the formula
(Maturity – Rambis) + (Adelman x Rubio) = Vastly improved Beasley
Don’t fight it man… just let the magic happen.
I was irrationally hopeful for Beasley...
coming into this season. Not because of Adelman, but a combination of his collegiate awesomeness and hope that last season was just adjusting to the 3…. His early season awfulness killed that hope. It was almost comforting giving up on Beasley…. now the bastard is threatening to re-energizer it.
Yep. To me..
….he’s the biggest tease on the team. Way more than Darko. You have the college production, the size and athleticism, the games where he gets it going…it’s not like he has to make a big change to make it all work. Be decisive when you catch the ball. Shoot the 3, drive, or pass it away. Long 2s are the devil. Drive, step back, or pass. He’s the one guy who could improve by just doing some very obvious things.
At the same time
Very fixable things. Heck, Melo is suffering from the same thing now.
The fact is, his upside is way to high to not invest this season in him.
Honestly....
there was a lot of reason to think Beasley should be better than Melo.
Beasley was a world-class rebounder in college. Players never lose that skill, but Beasley did… I graphed NCAA and NBA rebounding numbers a while ago. Beasley is an obvious outlier on the downside.
Pure eye-test stuff, but on draft-day, I really thought that he would be able to score in the NBA too. He didn’t rely on taking advantage of his size, he just attacked and sniped. I thought he was the easy #1 in that draft… Derrick Rose and Kevin Love certainly proved me wrong there.
I honestly think the bonus for Beasley
Is the fact that he hasn’t cashed in yet. He he was making $15 million per, he’d be cooked.
But the fact that things haven’t gone well, and he’s being overlooked as his draft class peers get paid, that’s a lot of humble pie that tells you it’s time to change.
This injury gave him a front row seat to see how he has to play. Let’s hope he does it.
Based on that,
I would guess he buys in enough to have a great finish to this season so that he can cash in—agent in his ear. After his contract year, we should probably let someone else sign him to the big-money contract and they can deal with his reduced production/efficiency until the next contract season.
by Imyourhuckleberry on Jan 31, 2012 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
He even put up good enough numbers...
as a 20 and 21 year old (WS/48 of 0.081 and 0.095) to warrant optimism…
The guy drives me nuts.
If, if, if, if…
So if my rudimentary rambus stat conversion works...
ws/48 differentials upon joining / leaving rambus:
ridnour: .08, .03
sessions: .09, .07
webster: .02, not enough data
koufos: .13
brew: .10
Averaged, cause that’s scientific… .074 positive differential.
Applying to beas, additively – expected ws/48 of .095+.074 = .169???
= profit? (and yes, this is highly fallible. but seemed fun and with the spirit of hope)
Aren't long two's
what makes Kobe Kobe? When Beas makes his long two’s, suddenly he’s got lanes to drive.
This concludes the useful portion of my commentary and anything that follows will be sheer homerism.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
I wish I had more hoopdata stuff from Kobe's earlier days
He shoots 40+ from everywhere (often close to 50%) without requiring a lot of assists.
What's funny is Ray Richardson hinted at this coming in Sunday's paper
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Michael Beasley adjusting to new role in Timberwolves’ offense.
Trumped again Zgoda!
I wouldn't say Beasley's been "awful" so far this season.
His shot has been “awful,” though, last night excluded.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 31, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
I'm going to go out on a limb and stick with awful
;)
FG below 40%, TS in Darko territory, below average SF in pretty much every non-rebounding statistic you can imagine. It’s been fugly…but yeah, the shooting has been the primary driver of that awfulness.
by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 31, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
7 games before injury... 1 good one
New coach, limited training camp, new system.
Horrific Rambis memories dancing through his head.
I’ll let it slide. But I’m a softy when it comes to Beas. :-)
But he never really contributed in non-rebounding statistics.
And he had been showing more willingness to pass and defend, more effort at least.
But, with as bad as he’d been shooting, I guess I really can’t argue against “awful.”
I <3 Beas.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 31, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
For all the talk of "getting to the rim",
Hoopdata shows that a full seven of his 14 attempts were two-pointers longer than ten feet, vs only 3 attempts at the rim, and 3 attempts from behind the arc.
It was a much better Beas last night, but I think it had more to do with not stopping the ball than it did with shot locations. His shots came in the flow of the offense, and I think that’s the difference.
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by losDelFuego on Jan 31, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
FTAs
FTAs, FTAs, FTAs. Attack!!!
(You can watch all the FTAs on www.mysynergysports.com)
by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 31, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah 12 FTA
doesn’t show up in the shot chart, but most of those were because he got to the rim at will.
12 FTA = tied for career high
I’m just glad that doing the right things worked so well for him. It reinforces it in his head and makes it more likely he’ll keep it up.
You're absolutely right.
I watched the game at 2AM, so when I tried to remember it this morning, I came up fuzzy and went looking for clues on hoopdata. But I missed that.
I’m watching all his possessions on Synergy now, and yeah, getting to the rim/line is the main thing, and taking shots without stopping play is secondary.
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by losDelFuego on Jan 31, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Synergy: Where you can re-watch all your favorite team's free throw attempts.
I love that.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
His shots weren't at the rim....
but he was still attacking. What is most important is getting past his man before he shoots. When he does that, he gets fouled even if he is shooting 4-5 feet away. Too often Beas simply sizes up his man and chucks one. He didn’t really do that at all last night. I feel like Adelman should sit down with him before every game, go down the opposing roster, and tell him which guys he should try to beat and which guys he should pass the ball when matched up against.
You'd like to think Beas could do that himself, but yeah.
Adelman should be doing that.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 31, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
If he's thinking in terms of "getting past guys"
instead of just “scoring on guys” I’ll be pretty happy.
Nice to see him catch the ball in the post a little more too.
I have a hard time seeing him say to himself,
“I can’t get past that guy by going left.”
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
Don't forget
One year in college, all but forgotten in Miami and two years under Rambis. He’s never had a real coach in his career.
by Cobra312004 on Jan 30, 2012 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
If he were starting his rookie contract
We could take the chance. Finances and faith (or lack thereof) are going to play big parts in Beasley’s Wolves fate.
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by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Luckily
We don’t have to make that decision now. 45 games left. If he plays more games like he’s been putting in lately, the decision will be easy.
by Cobra312004 on Jan 30, 2012 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
this:
beas is on his first real season… rambus doesn’t count, and miami was .. well .. that doesn’t count either. Plus second half last year and beginning this year have both been injury times.
Wes is done. Beas though, he has these flashes.. Not like glimmers either, just flat out unbelievable. Did this a couple games last year too, but without the teamwork. Can’t give up on this.
by bustaone on Jan 31, 2012 12:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
err
the last 3 seasons did happen. Beas is talented, and was successful at the College level, I’m willing to see what Adelman is able to do with him, but it’s asinine to say that he’s some kind of 23 year old rookie.
Beasley's first time with a decent HC and PG. May as well give him some burn and see if he's worth keeping here.
Our other options at the 3 are Wes, AT, and DWill. It’s not like we have options here.
In a non basketball example
I present Alex Smith of the 49ers
by midlife crisis on Jan 31, 2012 8:42 AM CST up reply actions
If it's asinine..
…get back to me in a couple months.
Rambus can’t be stopped.
A 23 year old rookie?! Who has ever heard of such a thing?!
You realize if he’d stayed for all 4 years of college he really would be a rookie right? When did 23 get old?
I guess on the other side of things
The Rockets aren’t a good defensive team. Beasley has had two good games in a row, let’s see if he can have a third good game in a row.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
I gif stuff
And I agree, this is two in a row
My point still stands!
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by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
Not to mention
He had two solid games before he got injured. Not this level necessarily but people were making note of it at the time. We might have an honest to goodness pattern of behavior starting to form here. Wouldn’t it be incredible to watch a player realize his potential before your very eyes?
by Cobra312004 on Jan 30, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Yes it is. I think that's part of the reason we love Kevin. The other part is that his realized potential is awesome.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
With Kevin
It was more the team realizing his potential before our very eyes…
by Cobra312004 on Jan 30, 2012 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
I will admit I never thought he'd be this good.
Really good. Not this good. It’s been a lot of fun to watch not that the watching includes some winning.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Pekovic is sort of doing this now
Granted, his ceiling isn’t off the charts. But giving us uber-efficient interior offense was exactly his M.O. coming out of Europe. It’s nice to see that coming to fruition this year.
by Rascal Flatts on Jan 31, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
After watching Love's progression
I’m done with ceilings.
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 31, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
34 points on 14 shots
Drexler is right to call that prime time.
T'Wolves 2012: Where Players We Hate Suck All The Time
For the first time in over a year
His shot looked true – he splashed an early trey, sized up Chase Budinger and then didn’t look back.
T'Wolves 2012: Where Players We Hate Suck All The Time
Keeping beasley as a driving post player and 6th man...
We really are only a solid 2 away from being REALLY REALLY good.
We might have that solid two for this year
Webster. Just sayin’.
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by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Hipity is a fan of Wesley Johnson's turn-overs and second half comebacks%%%
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
He does add something to our second line
But I think we’ll need him more in the starting lineup if he can keep this up.
by Cobra312004 on Jan 30, 2012 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry
But Wes, Williams and Tolliver are not going to beat him out.
If we got someone else sure but…..
by WolvesBigTicket on Jan 30, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
I don't mind
Rubio – Ridnour – Webster – Love – Pek but you gotta shift quickly if Ridnour is getting abused on the defensive end.
I like Beas better than Ridnour
Altho we may go with that lineup until Beas proves to be consistent.
agreed
I like our matchups better with Webster and Beasley than Ridnour and Webster at the 2 and 3 respectively.
When is Ridnour
not getting abused on the defensive end? Maybe in practice, but I think Wes might even be able to take him.
by Imyourhuckleberry on Jan 31, 2012 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
Wes vs. Luke
The movable object vs the resistible force…
by Simitar on Jan 31, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Ha!
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
If Wes can't hit wide open 3's or drive to the lane
He won’t be able to score on Ridnour either.
by Cobra312004 on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
They need someone better than Webster
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 30, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Especially when you consider he'll be a free agent after his option is declined
But I think he’ll be a lot better than he is now. Remember, Wes was our starting 2 for most of the season.
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by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Webster looked good
Looked rusty, but maybe about average once some of those shots start to drop. Just seeing a wing take it hard looked fantastic.
(against the lakers)
Didn’t see tonight’s game
Damn, this was the most fun
game of the season so far! I don’t mind if SuperBeas and the rest of the team don’t replicate this every night, in fact, we can be sure that they likely won’t. If they extend this sort of effort every night though, I’ll be thrilled! That would be a huge change from years past…
Ricky is lobbing at an Ooptimal level!
I'm waiting
for the video recaps so I can experience some of the fun. I just saw the last two minutes of dribble-it-out time.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Pekovic continues to be dominant on the offensive boards in limited minutes
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
I saw the box score and smiled
about most of Pek’s line, but it’s too bad Houston went small. I want Pek to get big minutes and start really doing damage.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
He's converting his shots and hitting the glass. It's foul trouble not Adelman that will limit his minutes.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
But really, against the Lakers
Pek could have mitigated some of the damage Bynum was doing late. He had four fouls, but what would have been the harm in putting him out there in the fourth to try to slow it down? He was doing as much damage as he was taking.
The worst thing that would have happened is that he would have fouled out. But he didn’t play after that anyway, so that’s no loss.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
In hindsight I'd have liked to see him switch in, but we made the run to get back in it largely in transition.
The zone screwed with LA briefly and AR out ran Bynum and Gasol play after play.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
While running the zone
Pek has a tendency to get a defensive 3 second violation.
by Cobra312004 on Jan 30, 2012 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
Coaches' behavior about fouls puzzles me.
It’s understandable that, when a Kevin Love picks up 3 fouls early in the second, coaches will sit their star players. I get that. It’s the joseki, or the opening book, to behave that way for everyone on your roster though. I don’t see why that has to be the case.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
Right.
They clearly had options if going with Pek failed, but they didn’t take advantage of it, and for no discernible reason.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
On the other hand
once the refs start calling them, it’s like eating peanuts….
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
I'm ok with it
Seems like we have the advantage when other teams are willing to play small ball.
by Cobra312004 on Jan 30, 2012 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
Question
I missed the game unfortunately. Was McHale trying to cover Beas with Budinger and Parsons?
Also, how the HELL did Wes have five missed shots and six turnovers in 20 minutes????
Apparently players from Syracuse aren't very good.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
They really are
For such a robust basketball history, pretty shoddy presence in the NBA
Well he threw it to the other team, threw it out of bounds, threw it ahead to the other team, kicked the ball out of bounds, spun the ball out of bounds, and I think also made a pact with the evil basketball forces.
by bustaone on Jan 30, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Thank You, Sirs
RA has to bench Wes Johnson now, right? I don’t care if he starts Beas or Webster, but Wes Johnson shouldn’t play until he at least hits some 3s in garbage time.
I don't like using the % for comments that are that ridiculously over the top.
But I guess stupider things have been said on the internet with fully ernest intent.
Ernest intent!
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's been dead for a while.
Does that help?
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
Whaddya mean, Vern?
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
Ha ever seen the family guy
skit where Peter ressurects him?
“OMG run,Ernest got the gun!!!”
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
He's not 19 he should be able to handle it.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Can that have a negative value?
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
On the Rockets broadcast
Clyde Drexler was laughing at Wes Johnson for most of the game. He was having a hard time believing how bad Wes was.
by xraraavis on Jan 30, 2012 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Rockets' broadcast team thought he was having a bad night
And didn’t realize Wes plays this bad every game.
by Black Jack Davy on Jan 31, 2012 12:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How do we feel about Drexler?
Listening to the highlights only this time, I thought it sounded like a nice TV crew for them. Drexler (was it him?) spotted Anthony Randolph slipping the high pick and roll before it even happened.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
Drexler was fine
Not a big fan of the play-by-play guy. He just didn’t seem very professional. I was surprised at some of the things he said, and it sounded like Drexler was too.
by Black Jack Davy on Jan 31, 2012 5:55 AM CST up reply actions
he was quite the homer
I thought Drexler did pretty well. The best part was when they called a loose ball fould against Budinger (?) for pushing Pek in the back. He got indignant and stated that it’s a physical impossibility, he doesn’t have the strength to move Pekovich. (paraphrased)
They're terrible
My least favorite announcers to listen to on LP. Well, besides the Portland duo here in Oregon. Those two are blatant homers who do nothing but criticize opposing teams and their fans. Very unprofessional- something that the Houston duo is also prone to engage in. And Drex is just awful with his faux enthusiasm.
I too am a lone wolfpack.
I need to introduce you
to Tommy Heinsohn
Drexler was pretty alright, he played the role of a former player, gave credit to players who drew fouls, ripped on McHale for never taking Lee off of Beas. He’s no JPete, but he definitely no Leo Rautins.
Better than network announcers
He rises up…he shoots it from…DOWNTOWN !!!!
clunk.
"I'm shocked - shocked - to find basketball going on in here."
Rockets fan here
and yes Bullard(Matt Bullard remember him) sucks
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
by mob16151 on Jan 31, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
no problem
good win for ya’ll last night. I was impressed by how well Webster played for having been out so long.
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
Thanks for the affirmation
Thought maybe it was just me. I had the audio muted for most of the second half.
I thought they were an awful combo.
Drexler was clearly less awful than his play-by-play dude, but they were just terrible. It just always reminds me of how good J Pete is.
Why not?
High School – Um, doubtful.
College – One and done and tearing it up. Don’t fix what isn’t broken (and won’t be around long enough to benefit you for it), just ride your star.
Pros:
Miami – Beas was largely ignored. Spoelstra isn’t really a development coach.
Minnesota – Kurt Rambis might have done more harm than good to be honest.
No one has seen what effect good coaching has on Beasley. But at just a hair over 23, he’s still young enough to take make improvements.
by Cobra312004 on Jan 30, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
If his gets repeated often enough
I’ll actually start to feel bad about all he’s had to overcome on his path to NBA mediocrity. How’s a guy supposed to learn how to do anything but ball stop and shoot without the mentorship of one of the best coaches in the NBA.
How about the mentorship of any coach that actually has the ability or desire to teach him something?
by Cobra312004 on Jan 30, 2012 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
Not to mention
All through high school and college, ball stop and shoot was probably exactly what his coaches were telling him to do.
by Cobra312004 on Jan 30, 2012 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
Point is, he's not the only player in the league
with this sort of bio.
Not many have produced a college line like he did.
Now we see if Adleman is even better than advertised.
All faith in Adleman. He’s a mastermind.
something something Laettner
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 31, 2012 12:55 AM CST up reply actions
I see what you did there...
But it is so outlandish… Have you ever looked at Beasley’s college numbers? I’ll help with one stat line:
Age 19 beas: 26ppg 12rpg
Age 19 laet: 8ppg 4rpg
Something something… Yeah
by bustaone on Jan 31, 2012 2:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
See?
Almost identical!
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 2:42 AM CST up reply actions
Though I bet Laettner produced better numbers in a season
before he left college, which is what CJ specifically said, so this is an unfair point.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 2:43 AM CST up reply actions
Typing on phone while insomniac but still..
Best laeetner season: (age 22) 21pt/8reb
So not very close
by bustaone on Jan 31, 2012 2:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
HIS POINT STILL STANDS!
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 3:00 AM CST up reply actions
On a side note...
Keep an eye on the basketball reference PEK page ;-)
by bustaone on Jan 31, 2012 3:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think I'm going to cry.
That’s too awesome for words.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
WS/48
is up to .142 this year, PER is 18.8, TS% is .640.
I think we might have our main center for the next few years.
Yep, still a problem
It would be great if we could get a cheap rangy defense/rebounding only center and split the minutes up equally. Fouls wouldn’t be such a big deal in that situation.
Questionable fouls at that
vs. LA, he got some tic tac foul d’ing up Bynum. He didn’t see the court after that.
Last night, Lowry drove right into Pek, who made no effort to foul and had established position. Adelman pulled him for the rest of the half.
How fast would our opponents be in the bonus
if we rolled a center combo of manter/Pek.
not to mention the mop-up guys and gals
they’d be busy mopping up all that urine on the floor, you know, from the opposing perimeter players wetting themselves as they considered drives to the basket.
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
This could easily be fixed
if Pek accidentally killed or maimed one or two opposing centers. Suspensions and fines to follow, to be sure, but I suspect he would get enormous respect in the games that followed.
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I think you guys might have missed...
..what I was talking about. But these other observations are also fantastic.
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I don't think it is unfair
Beasley only had one season to produce those numbers. Laettner was a 4 year college player.
Yeah, not every gets the yoda-like mentoring that Love received
In his effortless rise to stardom.
by dropstep on Jan 31, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Oh wait, there are places to go outside the locker room
To improve your game? Even when the head coach is a meathead?
by dropstep on Jan 31, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Holy cow this is awesome.
Seriously, though. Maybe Beasley needs to wear the bowling glove.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
Green. Great.
way to call attention to my subject line typing blunder.
That was fun.
Thank you Wolves.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
I'm surprised at the lack of the word unicorn so far in the comments.
You must all Love what Beasley did today.
A void? I see no void!
He was a man among men.
Got a couple fast shots and went all beast mode while somehow getting calls as he drove.
Not only getting calls
But making his free throws, all 12 of them
(Another surprise: I'm this far in the thread, and nobody's said a thing about double doubles. Yet, anyway.)
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
Canis Hoopus
leading SBNation in dubbel dubbers and trippel dubbels.
"Humor is reason gone mad." Marx (Groucho, for the reason-gone-mad impaired)
I'm going to keep one on hand
For when Ricky gets his first triple double.
by midlife crisis on Jan 31, 2012 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
"Dwight now open to playing for Bulls"
Ugh, feel bad for Magic fans, what a bad situation. If these players want to leave that is their right but they need to shut down these “now willing to play for” leaks.
I'm surprised we've never heard any Love for Dwight rumors.
Prior to this season I’d have said the Magic would be crazy to do that trade, now it seems like a fair value. While it would balance out this roster some I think Love is actually more clutch and am not so sure I’d do that trade.
2 parts
one, you think Dwight would sign an extension in Minny.
two, you think Dwill can be a competent starter.
I don’t care for Dwight’s attitude, but he’d immediately give a huge upgrade at C and for the D in general. Kevin is awesome, but Dwight is the best C at a position where’s there’s only 5 or 6 elite players. You make that trade.
but since it's clear
Dwight is more interested in Market and Celebrity (LA, NYC, Dallas..finally Chicago) than winning (If OKC could get him for Harden/Ibaka…keep Durant, Westbrook and Dwight), it’s a moot point.
I don't disagree.
Defensively the improvement would be marked. And I do think between Randolf, Dwill, and Beasley you would have decent production at the power forward position. But I also believe you don’t make that trade without a contract extension for Dwight.
Dwight has handled the situation so horribly
What a selfish a stupid individual
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah what a selfish man
So, Darko for Dwight?
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
I gif stuff
by doubleteapot on Jan 30, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
Dwight is a profoundly stupid person.
Have you heard him talk? As dumb as a rock. Plus a model for Ed Hardy? And he doesn’t like to curse cause it is naughty and he is a good boy!
Yeah, he is physically gifted but his character is highly suspect.
He didn't go to college
And it’s entirely possible he got the star athlete treatment in high school. What do you expect?
How can anyone have half a brain if they weren't
gifted at 4 year college education? How can anyone learn to play effective basketball if not coached for multiple seasons by one of the NBA’s top coaches?
I’m a fairly lenient, non-judgmental guy, but let’s have at least some appreciation of personal responsibility on this thread. I don’t think anyone’s expecting Dwight to write a dissertation, but if he is this oblivious to behavioral norms and interpersonal dynamics, and so self-focused, then that’s who he is. Let’s not sell him as a victim.
by dropstep on Jan 31, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Dwight is dumb. I don't think going to college would change that.
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 31, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
In case you didn't notice
Have you heard him talk? As dumb as a rock.
I was responding to this. Not making excuses, just saying you can hardly expect him to be some sort of savant. KG wasn’t the brightest bulb on the tree either. Some people aren’t that smart and they don’t get smarter just by subsisting.
Obviously he’s still responsible for his decision to not try to better himself through education and it’s consequences for his life. Just pointing out why he’s “profoundly stupid”.
How can anyone learn to play effective basketball if not coached for multiple seasons by one of the NBA’s top coaches?
Again, there’s a wide gap between one of the greatest coaches of our time and the coaches Beasley has had. Stop painting it like I’m saying he’s never had transcendent coaching. He has never had even average coaching (Spoelstra’s a great X’s and O’s guy who can win with talent, but I’d hardly consider him a great coach). As far as I’m concerned, all the coaching he’s had has had a negligible (or even negative) effect on his progression until this year.
He’s still responsible for his play, but this isn’t the same as not getting an education. Whoever is put over him as a coach is completely out of his control, yet has a profound impact on him and his career.
by Cobra312004 on Jan 31, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
I'm making the point that the guy has decided to be a professional basketball player.
He’s entering a profession where the difference between great and good might be 100 million dollars over a career, and where not being good might mean having to find a real job. No one is going to hand you anything once you finally take the court in the NBA, so F’ing figure it out! Oh, you don’t have a great coach, well figure out where to get the help you need to make yourself the best player you can. How are we supposed to think of someone who has not figured out the ways he would make himself a better, more efficient basketball player, when many of those answers are obvious to the yahoos posting on CH from their couches? Anyone in the league is responsible for doing whatever they need to do to be their best. Offseason conditioning, shooting lessons, big man camps, weekends with Hakeem, whatever. I can forgive a guy whose production is held back by a bad coach, but not their basic basketball skills. That’s on the player.
Kevin Love
Rambis.
Nuff said.
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 1, 2012 5:36 AM CST up reply actions
Youre assuming too much
Most of these guys do not think long term. Theyve never had to, and it shows by the number of players still living paycheck to paycheck and go broke soon after they retire. (SI article somewhere if I can find the exact figure or link I will post it.)
by WolvesBigTicket on Feb 1, 2012 8:25 AM CST up reply actions
Because most 20-something guys
are brilliant planners who totally have their life together?
There’s a reason why young guys’ car insurance doesn’t go down until they’re 25 (and most insurers would be more comfortable with not dropping rates until they hit 45).
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
Insurance has nothing to do with planning
It is a statistical breakdown of how likely you are to get in an accident.
That said yes I think there are fewer “planners” in the NBA than in the general public percentage wise.
by WolvesBigTicket on Feb 1, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
ouch
They touch on education, but as a guy who went through his early 20s spending money he didn’t have, I can tell you education simply doesn’t make much of a difference. When you look at the statements and do the math, things don’t add up but it’s damn hard to avoid hitting the town with friends because you don’t want to spend $50…. Now consider what a minimum salary is going to pay these guys and I think they’re pretty well screwed unless they’ve got 3x the willpower I had. The only thing that actually taught me anything was the painful experience of paying off $15,000 in CC debt (plus school loans on top of that). For reference my mother is an accountant who covered the basics of finances repeatedly, I earned a boy scout Personal Finance merit badge and the concepts were covered at least twice in high school… Young men are generally stupid and I have no idea how to fix that short of a nanny state.
I'm not sure how much more evidence we need to see..
…that people tend to see what they want to see and will do what they want to do if it is in their reach. It’s the same issue with portion size and calories. “Education” isn’t the issue, being constantly aware of exactly what you are doing is.
One of my least favorite columnist/talk radio segments is when they complain about a lack of “personal responsibility” with food consumption when the entire way we live is geared around sugar and fat being delivered as quickly and as cheaply as possible in ever-increasing portion sizes.
Most people simply don’t have the real-time capacity to be able to ascertain exactly what they are doing in real time and how decision x, y, or z will play out in the long run.
And it's all related to individual circumstances
Take a couple dozen “achievers” you know, then compare their charitable giving and activities with that of your average NBA player. I doubt very much that any of us knows anyone who puts more donated time and effort into helping charities than Kevin Love or Michael Beasley and that speaks to much more than just money. Name some financial industry whizzes you know who’ve made a ton and have set up a private charity, or become heavily involved with one?
There are many ways of judging people, and it should go without saying that some of our favorite players are assholes off the court, and some of our least favorite players are veritable saints within the community. Education? Education has very little to do with the quality of someone’s character.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
I'm not assuming a darned thing.
I am saying that it is the player’s responsibility. Just like financial management. I am not saying that all players will handle that responsibility. However, after it has been shown that they have not done what needed to be done for their careers (or their lives) I’d suggest we don’t look for excuses like bad coaches in order to give them a pass. I’m not saying that guys like Beasley need to be condemned. I don’t know what degree of personal change would need to go into a transformation for him, or how difficult that might be. What I am arguing against is victimizing the player by passing the responsibility on to coaches and the like.
All employees have different requirements to perform up to their capabilities.
Some need more hands on management. It’s just the way it is. This doesn’t make an employee who needs some direction a bad person.
I guess I don't really see NBA players as employees
They go off in the summer and prepare for the coming season on their own. They have agents, nutritionists (if they’re smart), personal trainers. They are more like actors working with directors (coaches) when hired for a specific movie. On set, it is the director’s responsibility to get the best performance out of the actor, but overall it’s the actor’s responsibility to show up knowing how to act. He’s chosen that profession, so if he wants to get hired for that film, he should be working on his craft constantly. Sorry if there’s not a “Becoming a Great Movie Actor For Dummies” guidebook out there, but the guy better figure out what he needs to do. It is on him.
My bad
Sorry, then yeah I agree with you
by WolvesBigTicket on Feb 1, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously
What a big idiot. He doesn’t care about the franchise, his teammates or the fans. He obviously only cares about himself.
To be fair
I don’t care about the Magic or their fans either. So it’s hard to hold him up to that double standard.
Yeah
He calls his team mates out for not playing hard enough, yet he’s given up on the entire franchise.
by Rascal Flatts on Jan 31, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Dwight's a big kid, which has its plusses and minuses.
Right now he’s about a shoelace away from writing “All Alone” on his sneakers, though. Marbury can always use a co-host on those late night broadcast things of his.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
by feral on Jan 31, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And he could use someone to help eat the Vaseline.
I mean, who wants leftovers?
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
They can start a city together somewhere, like Steph was planning.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
A city
like Crazytown?
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
All I know is, there's a store like Walmart, only it sells Starbury products.
“I want to build my own city,” (Marbury) said. The settlement, he explained, would be built on a 4,000-acre cotton farm in South Carolina he had his eye on. The citizens would be “all my family members. They gonna have their own businesses, companies that will feed off of my company. I want to build my own Walmart-style store. I want to build my own hospital and school system. I’ll take all the people where I’m from in Coney Island and tell them to leave everything they got inside their homes and move into our new homes. We’ll have all the people sign up to be Starbury employees before they move. This is my vision of what I want to do if this thing really pops off the way I think it will if we continue to stay on the path.”
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
by feral on Jan 31, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I love the idealism,
but he’s either goofing with the interviewer or completely out of touch with reality.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
That's from a GQ profile, based on interviews in China.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
What a beautiful concept
I would vote fot war on Starbury nation, though
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 31, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
We'll lay siege, and cut off their supply of vaseline.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
by feral on Jan 31, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
wait, this is a company town
Pullman, Chicago was a model company town founded by the Pullman Palace Car Company in the 1880s. The town operated successfully until the economic panic of 1893 when demands for the company’s products declined and employee wages had to be lowered accordingly. Despite this the company refused to lower rents in the town or the price of goods at its shops, thus resulting in the Pullman Strike of 1894.5 A national commission formed to investigate the causes of the strikes found that Pullman’s paternalism partly to blame and labelled it ‘un-American’.
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
I absolutely loathe IKEA
So fascist. They force you to go through their entire store to get anywhere. Follow the arrows and you won’t get shocked.
Plus, their stuff sucks. It seduces you, and then 2 months later, you realize that you are completely aesthetically exhausted by it and all you want to do is throw it away.
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Feb 1, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
I went there to get a chair a few weeks back..
..and just because it really is a good chair and only available there. It took SO LONG, and I vowed I would not be going back.
Speaking as a Norwegian-American
I guess it never occurred to me to shop at a Swedish store….
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
Is that titantic store across the street from the Mall of America an IKEA?
My kids & I parked near it and we were marveling and laughing at it. Like – do they make the furniture there AND sell it? Is it bigger than the MOA? Are there any rides there?
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 1, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
(Uh, I've been back a few times, and just walked to what I wanted.)
Aesthetically exhausted? While I expect many things from a set of shelves, aesthetic replenishment isn’t high on that list.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
The force is strong in this one
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 1, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It matters
I used to buy things from them. Bookshelves. Entertainment center. And every time I would get it home, and a couple of months later I would be completely sick of it.
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Feb 1, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
Chicago has some good pieces t trade for him
The Loser of the trade is whoever ends up with the over-rated and over-payed Boozer on their roster(and payroll)
Beasley seemed to learn something from watching while injured.
He will never be a good passer, but he seemed to be trying to move the ball better. He also had a very nice steal that led to a break.
Beasley!!
Is it possible for Adelman to have gotten to him? I want a 2 guard badly, were a damn good team if we get one!!!
by RaysOfHope on Jan 30, 2012 10:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Give it time. We can only hope so, but give it much more time.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Beasly quotes
prior to the season about maturing and so on really had me believing this was going to be his year…then with the poor start…I finally was about to give up on him. Then tonight and I’m starting to want to believe again. Man, if he could be even close to consistent…..He still is pretty young….
Mismatches...
Lately our versatile frontline has created some mismatches. Today Beas was posting up smaller guys and driving all day. I remember Dwill in other games having some mismatches as well against smaller lineups or smaller 3s but could not take advantage.
Love, of course, always creates mismatches.
Also, what I like about Beasley as a scorer is it frees up PEK and Love for boards…BTW I am a huge Courtney Lee fan, hope we can get him – he’s perfect for us and perhaps gettable?
Would anyone trade DWill for Kevin Martin?
by RaysOfHope on Jan 30, 2012 10:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 30, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
I doubt the Rockets would do it though
They are not short on power forwards
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 30, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
We're a microcosm of the league that way.
PFs are a glut on the market. So are point guards. Basic starting-caliber wings are scarce; Ledell Eackles could make a lot of money these days, based on some late season stretch or other.
This is a league where a Mareese “Shoulda Been a Linebacker with This Name” Speights, or an Anthony Randolph, is a marginal commodity. There’ve been points where that wasn’t the case at all.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
by feral on Jan 31, 2012 4:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Have to give up something else
to make the salaries matching. Martin’s getting paid.
Plus Kahn talking to Morey
scares me enough to make me pee a little.
by JMGrady on Jan 30, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Ricky Rubio.
(He’s a good point, geddit?)
Live And Stupid From England
by JonesTheCat on Jan 31, 2012 8:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
2011 Daily Dime sports bloggers called
And they want their…
Crap, these things die hard, don’t they?
Well, you know he's not giving up Love or Rubio
so what valuable asset are you worried about him giving up to the man who took on both Flynn and Thabeet?
That's a pretty sharp point
I’m not especially attached to anyone other than Love, Rubio, and the legend of Pek.
To the guy who's willing to take a budget flyer on apparent busts?
Let’s see. Yeah, we’re not worried about his purloining Wes Johnson at this time, no sir.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
The flynn and Thabeet moves
Also clear 10 million dollars this season in cap room. And since the rockets clear another 10 million, by declining T-Will, and Hill(already done) while fielding a semi-competitive team, don’t knock the Daryl. lol
flayed ones stealth mode
"Fleshling! Do not shoot! For I am one of you fleshy things. It is I. Your Uncle Stan. Can't you tell by the long strips of fleshy substances covered in bodily fluids? Trust me! I have fleeeeeeeeesh."
Daryl can clear as much cap space as he wants
With the replacement-level debris on this roster. If he can use Wes Johnson’s contract to make enough money to construct a 9 foot golem out of the hair clippings of Hakeem and Yao, then good luck and Godspeed, Sir.
by dropstep on Jan 31, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope
But I would trade him for Jeremy Lamb.
Interviewer: Can you understand why teams value potential ahead of experience and accomplishment in the draft? Wes Johnson: "Yeah. I understand. It’s the youngness of everything – older guys like young women, so it’s the same way."
by Xand1 on Jan 31, 2012 10:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Adelman on Beasley in the post-game: “When he’s attacking, he’s hard to guard.”
Wash, rinse, repeat, please!
Message for Micheal Beasley. Please pick up a white courtesy phone.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
devil on Bease's shoulder:
“19 ft jump shots are hard to guard!!!”
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 30, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
OK, so Batum is off the table
what other wings can we get?
potential knee injury
at the end of the game tonight.
On the other hand
Portland might finally find themselves on the rights side of the injury/contract division
Knee
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
He just went down with an ugly looking knee injury
against Utah. No official word yet, but that joint gave in a bad way.
Courtney Lee...
He can play, not flashy, but solid
by Pass the rock on Jan 30, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
Courtney Lee
is not good. You might as well stick with Martell and company if you want to go for Courtney Lee.
by Spouting Opinions on Jan 30, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
If the injury is serious he's off the table until July.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Besides Beas
I’m impressed by how fast Martell is getting it together. No practices and how long since his last game? Suddenly we’ve got extra pieces.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
Jeez, just the fact that he plays 20 minutes at this point though.
Adelman’s been starved for wing play. Also he’s not exactly shy of giving people long minutes, across the roster.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
If Mike Beasley keeps scoring a lot
I think Twitter will melt down in its collective love of the Timberwolves.
It's just that could you think of a goofier, more unlikely
trio of stars?
(This is obviously getting WAY ahead of things; purely hypothetical at this point with Beasley)
Amazing Oprah ad I saw.
I can’t remember where this would have come across my field of vision… A magazine probably, in the last couple of days. But there was a promotional blurb, which went something like
Your Life is Her Stage
Seriously, WTF?
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
We're getting glimpses
Of what talent can become under Adelman. Next year at this time I fully expect the Wolves to have better personnel and the confidence to win the games they should.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
I tuned in for like 5 min and was please to see....
Rubio, Webster, Beasley, Love, and Pekovic. That has got to be my favorite line ive seen on the court all season. I barely watched it, not even sure how well they did at the time but in my opinion that is potentially our best starting line up. Sad I missed such a great game by Beasley, he is my favorite player on the team (Rubio is very close to over taking him)
I've got a file with the roster's thumbnails
and now, with everyone back, I can’t believe how many options we have and how many players that can work with each other. Suddenly February’s schedule is looking very interesting.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
I said it before...
When Beasley plays at his best, he is a top 15 player in the League. Ain’t no one going to change my mind. All I can say is, I’m glad he is playing to he was able to help the Timberwolves get the W.
You could say that for SO MANY PLAYERS...
Nicolas Batum scored 31 points, 7 rebs, 7 assists, 3 steals, and 0 turnovers in a game for Portland last year. He most certainly played “his best” but he’s nothing more than a nice young player.
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Jan 30, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think 'consistency' almost doesn't exist as its own attribute.
Pretty much every NBA player is capable of the occasional excellent game, if the match-up is right or due to random variance, or some other thing. It doesn’t mean they have the ability to do it every night, against every opponent and defensive strategy.
Kevin Love isn’t better than Beasley because he’s more consistent. He’s more consistent because he’s just better.
by LoveTo on Jan 31, 2012 12:36 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Another case where we read the result as the cause?
So easy to do.
It’s like the whole “We’re just not getting ourselves up to start games, we have to focus more” thing. Yep, your team isn’t starting games so well, or producing consistently across all four quarters, because it’s outmatched. Emotionally it may feel like you’re not focused enough when you’re missing shots – but it’s the missed shots that cause the feeling, not the other way around.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
by feral on Jan 31, 2012 4:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree
Consistency is the result of having the mental toughness/emotional intelligence/self-awareness to play to your talent level every night, even when things aren’t going your way (e.g. minor injury, shots aren’t falling, foul trouble, personal problems, etc).
On a pure talent level, Darko should easily be one of the top centers in the league. But he’s not, and it seems to me that there exists a more specific reason for that than the (true) fact that other players are “better.”
by Black Jack Davy on Jan 31, 2012 6:15 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't go that far. There are a ton of great players in this league.
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
How about Kevin Martin for Brad Miller,Derrick Williams and Luke Ridnour?
Even thow in Wes Johnson
by RaysOfHope on Jan 30, 2012 10:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I thought it was rhetorical...
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure about Martin's D...
…but man would he be a fun addition on the offensive end of the court. He would probably love coming to Minni.
by Down in the Valley on Jan 30, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
Its been talked about for like 2 years now
Martin going to the Wolves that is
by RaysOfHope on Jan 30, 2012 10:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The NBA trade deadline is three weeks away...
Please act as a weatherman and tell me what % chance there is that the TWolves will make a move during this time…
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Jan 30, 2012 10:41 PM CST reply actions
70% and partly cloudy.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
for real?
OK, now can you break that 70% down even further for me?
What percentage of that 70% is a big time move for a impact player…
…and what percentage is more or less a boring “restructuring” for contracts?
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Jan 30, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
Well I've got no sources, but most the league can see we need a two guard.
Derrick Williams doesn’t really fit with our roster, Johnson needs his “high lotto pick second chance” flyer, and when Barea is healthy we’ll have two very good back-up point guards making too much money to keep both long term.
I’m not banking on anything huge, but something has to give.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Am I reading between the lines correctly here...
you know for a fact that we’re getting Monta Ellis before the trade deadline?
OMG I love you so much.
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Jan 30, 2012 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
If Golden State didn't have something like one billion dollars committed to David Lee I'd think we have a chance.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
How about we help them finally scratch their OJ Mayo itch
grab Monta, and then help GSW and Memphis with their threadbare depth at bigmen (both teams) and PGs (Memphis)
You don't have to sell me.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Has to be after March 1, though
cause JJ can’t be moved until then. And we don’t need Barrea after getting Monta. I see him at Memphis after the dust settles.
Came from Dallas. He speaks Texmex.
Pass the “salsa.”
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
Yes yes, the joke is that we're clueless.
And unfortunately, the joke is true. “Olé!” (Another facepalm.)
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
I might have thought the same thing
until Rubio’s quote about liking to hang with Love and MIller. If he’d talked about chumming with Barea, he’d be a keeper. As it is, Barea is a 5’9" guy with a 28% usage. I’ll let Monta take his minutes starting at the 2, and back up the PG spot.
What a scrappy group of dudes. I wonder what they do.
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
I imagine they spend most of their time talking about how much they like hustling and growing beards
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
by nja700 on Jan 30, 2012 11:47 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
It's destiny then
Harden will be joining our team.
Even if we could get Ellis
Why would you want him. According to your earlier post he’s not 25 and under, so he’s too old.
The Dwill Trade is...
For Gortat.
Dwill gives Phoenix a talented young PF, they don’t have a PF. Arizona connection, young player for a rebuild.
Dwill + something for Gortat. Hopefully Suns tank and they just blow it up.
I love this, but I think it's time to move on. Gortat is staying put.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Gortat is valuable because
..he plays very well and is on a good contract. Gortat is not getting traded for Williams.
Yeah you are probably right...
But isn’t the Suns owner a bit of a nut? I wish we had something else to offer them.
by Pass the rock on Jan 30, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
I still like
the Wes Johnson, Darko, future 2nd rounder for Kobe and Pau trade idea floated to the Laker faithful. Equal roster spots, equal positions…the beauty is in the simplicity.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
though we might need a different year’s 2nd rounder back to make it even.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
The wolves will aquire some SG from New Jersey or Golden State.
Should drafted M.Brooks (now hurt)
RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ
by AndrePatterson on Jan 31, 2012 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
We dont need Gortat
We need a scoring threat at the 2 spot
by RaysOfHope on Jan 30, 2012 10:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I second this notion...
Pek and Darko could turn into an average center duo.
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Jan 30, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
PEK NOT AVERAGE ANYTHING!
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ya ive really warmed up to Darko/Pek
by RaysOfHope on Jan 30, 2012 11:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I love Pek
but Gortat is so much better than Pek or anything else we have at center. He would fit in better as a pick and roll player with Rubio and is a much better defender. I would love to get him on this team.
by Spouting Opinions on Jan 30, 2012 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
I dont think
hes that much better than Pek. Pek has tremendous strength, takes up more space than gortat, and seals people much better.
Plus, PEK IS PEK!
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
Gortat
Scores just as efficiently, is a better rebounder, has more blocks, and turns the ball over a quarter as often. I’d consider that better.
by Spouting Opinions on Jan 30, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
All things considered,
But, contrary to what you just said, Pek scores more efficiently by quite a margin (.638 TS% to .560) and Gortat only turns the ball over at half the rate (Gortat 10.5 TOV%, Pek 23%).
Part of the TS% differential is that Gortat is a bricklayer at the line.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
I guess what I'm saying here is that
while Gortat performs better in certain areas, those differences aren’t enough to warrant a trade for him when our wing production is so putrid.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry
I should have been more clear. I was looking at career numbers so last year’s Pek as well, which was not nearly as good as these last eleven games. But I was also being incredibly lazy and just eyeballing some of the stats (shooting efficiency especially). I’m just saying I have a man-crush on Eastern European centers and Gortat just has a little more of my affection.
by Spouting Opinions on Jan 31, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
I can cop to the reverse.
My Pek-love is well documented here.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
There's got to be a better title than Pek-love
Sounds dirty… Or like a quick pass for 2
Career Numbers
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pekovni01.html#advanced::none
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gortama01.html#advanced::none
ORB% and usage are the only career numbers where Pek is better by more than small percentages, whereas Gortat crushes him in DRB%, TOV%, and is ahead by a fair amount in offense and defense ratings. I love the guy, but I would not hesitate to add Gortat.
by Spouting Opinions on Jan 31, 2012 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
Career numbers?
Are you really going to compare the career numbers between a guy with five seasons and a guy with two?
At least you could compare each in their second seasons in the league. That seems reasonable.
Or maybe you could compare their seasons at the same ages. At 25 or at 26.Those seem more reasonable comparisons, and Gortat has the upper hand in them all, but with Gortat (like with Darko) you pretty much know what you have. He is what he is. Pek is on an upward arc. Maybe it’s a temporary upward arc (though his Euro stats would suggest otherwise), but the difference between the two is minor compared to the kind of improvement the Wolves can and need to make at the SG position.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
Has anyone thrown his numbers into the euro calculator?
You know, the one that said rubio would be good? :-)
But, in Pek's favour as someone pointed out the other day
You can’t teach massive.
Live And Stupid From England
by JonesTheCat on Jan 31, 2012 8:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Whatever happened to the Vanilla Gorilla in PDX?
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Jan 30, 2012 10:50 PM CST reply actions
Free agent
Chilling in Wisconsin. Apparently he is weighing offers to join a contender.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 31, 2012 6:32 AM CST up reply actions
The big thing to notice
Is we seem to win every single time we get help from a 3rd option and don’t have to just rely on Love and Rubio. Whether that production comes from Ridnour, Darko or Beasley, it bears out what SnP has been saying for months.
hence
the ongoing discussion about the desperate for a consistent 3rd option
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 30, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
This is the same ol', same ol' situation.
For three years now and running, when the Wolves get an outburst of production on the wing, they have a shot of winning games. Could be Ryan Gomes, or Damien freaking Wilkins, or Beasley. You just have to get something, anything, from the 2 and 3 spots, and it can happen.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
Rubio to Webster ally-oop was #8 on Sportscenter top 10 plays.
They are loving the Wolves this year.
That was pretty sick
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
It didn't make the NBA top 10
But a Lebron James layup did.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 31, 2012 6:31 AM CST up reply actions
To be fair anytime Lebron imitates the unicorn
he should get kudos.
Sounds like coaches have been in his ear
“That’s what I’ve got to do,” Beasley said. “I’ve got to penetrate, use my athleticism.”
That's a good sign.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, I know.
I was there. Erm . . .
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
She's doing the penetrating?
That sounds awful.
good post
Now if Beasley could only play against Budinger and Lee every night. Solid game though. Efficient and under control.
by PhinneasGage on Jan 30, 2012 11:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Dwill tweet: anyone able to decipher this? I did a quick search on google and these aren't lyrics
Smile in your face , but everybody fake. Not on for a long time.
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
D Will is a D Bag...
Is it just me or is he coming off as entitled? Perhaps it’s too late here. Tell me I’m wrong.
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Jan 30, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
Could it be from this song
by Chris Brown (yuck) and Tyga? I feel silly speculating about this, but it sounds like he’s saying that this song hasn’t been on for a long time. Maybe there’s a double meaning, but I don’t care at this point.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
Yeah its 99% chance its nothing, players post random crap like this all the time
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Random crap like this from Mike Beasley?
Michael Beasley @8MichaelBeasley
I act like shit dont phase me… Inside it drive me crazy My insecurities could eat me alive!!!!!!
Seriously, he said that a couple of days ago… After a big stretch of pretty generic “Kevin Love!!!” tweets, he drops that.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
It's an Eminem quote...
Chill
by SirLusciousLeftFoot on Jan 31, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We might need to start googling tweets
So these mixups and overreactions dont happen
by WolvesBigTicket on Jan 31, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
Either way I wasn't unchilled, as it were.
Just noticed it and wondered.
(Hey, when I chose that Tennyson poem to post, it still expressed my own inner krakken-ness.)
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
I've always envisioned you as
somewhat kraken-like.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
My interest in architeuthis dux is rather extreme, true.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
But a quote that seemed to resonate
To the point our hero felt the need to tweet it to the world.
...
So the first thing he tweets when he gets no burn in a game where the Wolves win is the lyrics to a Chris Brown song that can easily be misinterpreted as “disgruntled”?
He also said “won’t be on for a long time” not “hasn’t been on in a long time”. Refering to himself rather than the song? We will see.
Still not liking how he’s been using twitter lately though.
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Jan 30, 2012 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
Or he said,
“This song hasn’t been on in a long time.” He didn’t tweet in a complete sentence, so the subject isn’t just ambiguous—it’s unknown.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
How is it possible you don't see...
…that the eagle has landed.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
Basically
He feels betrayed by something. People are telling him things and being nice to him when he meets them, but he doesn’t see their actions matching their words. He’s losing trust in these people because he’s feeling lied to. He doesn’t feel right as a person and his game, life and shot aren’t where he’d envision them to be……
It sounds bad until you realize I don’t have a clue what I’m talking about and don’t really care what a 20 year old tweets about. He could be mad about play time, he could be a talented poet, until he hits someone on a team plane ride, gets arrested or has a drug violation it’s small potatoes. I don’t expect him to do any of those things. He seems like a good kid. I’ll let him vent in peace.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
maybe it's not about basketball at all
Maybe he had a really negative experience in Cost Cutters
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 30, 2012 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
someone on the rockets blog mentioned ..
that martell had the same hair cut as his Skrym character.
I think it’s awesome in any case. Sweet hair + competent play = #winning (yeah I went there)
by bustaone on Jan 31, 2012 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. Awesome.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
KAAHHHNNN!
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
+1
Whoever brought this crap up is an idiot, what a waste of time
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
But “the eagle has landed” line made up for it. He’s a clever one, he is.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
No worries I'm just in a really good mood. That was a great game to watch.
Worrying about the mental health of our rookie PF isn’t on the to do list tonight for me.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
Yeah I have recently become a twitter feind
its far too easy to read into random shot that 20 year olds say (hey, im 21 and most of my friends are dumb so I should know)
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
I wish I was 21. Three years ago seems so long. *cries in corner*
RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ
by AndrePatterson on Jan 31, 2012 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
21 years ago seems so much longer.
shoots himself
Just kidding, for those of you prone to concern.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
Needless to say, those 20-year-olds are reading even more into what they, themselves, say.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
Regular girl by chris brown ft tyga
sounds like the “not on for a long time” refers to it not being on the radio for a long time, and him just hearing it somewhere.
Ah, O should have looked down a few spots before posting a similar response
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
And I should have made sure I put an "I" where that O ended up before posting.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
You were just making your O face.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
Where do we lie with regards to our rooting interests come draft time?
I know we gave away a 1st round pick so it behooves us to finish as well as possible this year…
…but is there another team we should be rooting against?
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Jan 30, 2012 11:17 PM CST reply actions
Rooting for...
If Utah makes the playoffs, we get their first round pick.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
So we don't want them to land in the lottery?
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Jan 30, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
though...
we may end up battling them for playoff position
by dontbesomean youngfella on Jan 30, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
I highly doubt we'd both make it
But Memphis, Portland, and Dallas need to pull their heads out, so maybe.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
This short season..
Anything can happen. Especially for young teams like jazz / wolves / sixers (are sixers young? prob not, but that doesn’t fit my narrative)
Unfortunately, they're not good enough
to root against. They’fe probably not playoff-bound, but every win changes that probability a little.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
Who are we rooting to for to lose for 8th seed?
Jazz?
RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ
by AndrePatterson on Jan 30, 2012 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
*Who are we rooting for to loose if we want the 8th seed
RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ
by AndrePatterson on Jan 30, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
WOW I JUST FUCKED UP 3 TIMES AND IM NOT EVEN HIGH OR DRUNK
RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ
by AndrePatterson on Jan 30, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
I am, so...my bad
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
I'm about to do both now.
No mothafuckin work 2mrw
RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ
by AndrePatterson on Jan 30, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
I just smoked half a blunt.
RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ
by AndrePatterson on Jan 31, 2012 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
Hmmmm.
busta1/2one?
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 12:53 AM CST up reply actions
I haven't even let the playoffs
be a possibility for me. But I think now you want everybody but OKC, Denver, and LAC to lose. They’re the three best teams. SAS will be there no matter what, so you might as well root for them, too.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
John Hollinger has...
I only ever want the Wolves to draft 5th.
@BrettAhlgren
by BrettAhlgren on Jan 31, 2012 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
I got a chuckle out of that...
The pups? Almost top 10?
Well here’s hoping to him being right!
Not that your point doesn't still stand...
…but for those who are unfamiliar, his rankings are all numbers-based. Not just a subjective opinion.
I only ever want the Wolves to draft 5th.
@BrettAhlgren
by BrettAhlgren on Jan 31, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
ammended- you are correct
*hope his model is right
And when you look at how we've played the top ten teams
eleventh doesn’t seem very outrageous at all
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
Even if we make the playoffs
I suspect New Orleans will win the lottery with our pick.
The NBA has a history with dramatic things.
They have a, I'll call it a habit...
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 31, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Darn it... I couldn't remember that word "habit"
So close…
I still love that quote.
That is correct
You can't...dust...for vomit.
Also, Blake Griffin just might have topped his Mosgov dunk from last year
http://www.nba.com/video/games/clippers/2012/01/31/griffin_dunk_play6.nba/
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 11:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
That's filthy.
Wow.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
Disgusting.
RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ
by AndrePatterson on Jan 30, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
I have figured out his secret to jumping high:
use off-hand to push off defender’s shoulder. Pretty cool to watch anyhow.
by bustaone on Jan 31, 2012 12:33 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
...
Kevin Love did something just like that last year. I swear he did. Right guys? Right?
That was madness.
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Jan 30, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
As amazing as that is there aren't style points in an actual game I mean this isn't Jenga.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
by Airete on Jan 30, 2012 11:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Does help him get elected to the All Star game over better players
One player in particular…
by Cobra312004 on Jan 30, 2012 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
Ugly points count as much as pretty ones.
And more ugly points count more than fewer pretty ones.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
filthy
but that’s an offensive foul on Griffin… not that they would call it.
by PhinneasGage on Jan 31, 2012 12:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
another push off with his left hand
like every one of his dunks
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
Impressive
but it was barely a dunk and it looked like an offensive foul.
Rubios - "Clinically PROVEN to Help Reduce Suckiness"
You don't call an offensive foul on that
You just don’t. Any ref that calls that would be in grave danger.
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 31, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Proving once again
It doesn’t matter if it’s legal, as long as it looks cool.
by Cobra312004 on Jan 31, 2012 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
I usually am really hard on the refs
But for dunks like that I just don’t care. Traveling? Horrible. Dunks where you push into your defender (and I think Perkins pushed back as well)? Let it go.
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 1, 2012 5:38 AM CST up reply actions
Derrick Williams listens to shitty Tyga and Chris Brown?
I’ve found his problem. Get this fool some real hip-hop.
RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ
by AndrePatterson on Jan 30, 2012 11:26 PM CST reply actions
PoorDick's recent absence has meant no Feel Good Friday threads so far this year.
Been meaning to ask after that.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
Winning has a way
Or robbing comedians of all their good material.
Simmons must be in mourning too.
Read those old threads, they weren't all about being snarky.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
I'm thinking Wu-tang and some old Nas and Jay, some Lupe Fiasco.
RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ
by AndrePatterson on Jan 30, 2012 11:30 PM CST reply actions
Atmosphere! Brother Ali!
Grieves! Rhymesayers!
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
Hey! Did you steal my iPod?
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
Or just the music?
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
I fell for a hot, young chickie-poo
About five years ago, and I found Atmosphere and Brother Ali and Doomtree, Rhymesayers, etc.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 30, 2012 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Yes.
The other night, when you ordered that round of beers I reached into your iPod and stole your songs!
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
She gave me nothing but the music and a raging case of
“you’re too old.”
You can't...dust...for vomit.
I llike what I've heard.
She’s part of Doomtree, right?
You can't...dust...for vomit.
Dessa is one of only three female MCs I listen to.
The others are Lauryn Hill and Jean Grae.
She’s really really good.
Big Doomtree fan, think Mike Mictlan’s my favourite, No Kings has been on heavy rotation since I got it.
Live And Stupid From England
by JonesTheCat on Feb 1, 2012 6:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I was lucky enough to see Dessa at Midwest Music Fest a few years ago
She’s a pretty talented singer and MC, but nobody can touch Lauryn. She’s one of the best MCs ever, and she also happens to be an absurdly talented singer. Talk about gifted.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
Lauryn Hill is my favourite singer of all time no doubt, beautiful voice.
She also completely outdid Wyclef and Pras on The Score, which has got to be one of the greatest albums ever.
Live And Stupid From England
She puts on a great live show
Heck of a voice too.
Outkast for sure
I could listen to Andre 3000 and Big Boi all day. I’ve been on a marathon of all of their albums for a while now.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
speakerboxx is a fantastic album
if that’s the name… the 2-cd set… still on my random all these years later
Speakerboxx/The Love Below
I used to play that album to make a drive a coworker nuts. She deserved it though, any time she had control of the radio it was screamo.
Yeesh.
I’m a metal guy (comes from starting with Kiss in 1976 and moving into more extreme metal directions as the years went on), but I hate screamo. It’s like trying to play golf with a baseball bat.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 1:05 AM CST up reply actions
Speaking of metal (sort of)
This post shares a title with an early-era Soundgarden song.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
Wow.
That’s going back to dredge-the-lake-with-a-doom-riff Soundgarden. The Galactic Cowboys have something to contribute as well.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 1:23 AM CST up reply actions
These are all great suggestions.
RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ
by AndrePatterson on Jan 30, 2012 11:35 PM CST reply actions
Rubio/Webster/Beasley/Love/Pek
….Is the BEST lineup. I was scared when Luke and Wes were somehow still playing late 3rd/early 4th I believe.
RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ
by AndrePatterson on Jan 30, 2012 11:38 PM CST reply actions
Here is a vid of Batum's injury
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUcu2Ye0PTg&feature=player_embedded
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
I am not watching that.
Joint injuries freak me out.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 30, 2012 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I didn't watch it either, I just put it on here for desktop doctors
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 31, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
Robin Ventura's was a bad one for me,
but the Alex Cole shin-spindling did me in.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
Anyone else remember Jason Kendall snapping his ankle pretty much off the bone..
…then running through first base before crumpling to the ground?
Thankfully, no.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 1:17 AM CST up reply actions
shouldn't u people be off to bed!
by Souvik Roy Chowdhury on Jan 31, 2012 1:17 AM CST up reply actions
MOoooooOoooom!
Just five more minutes!
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 1:19 AM CST up reply actions
its 1 pm ova here!
Its our time to enjoy the worldly pleasures while u are deep in slumber!
by Souvik Roy Chowdhury on Jan 31, 2012 1:21 AM CST up reply actions
It's not football bad where the limb moves in a truly un-natural way, but it's not good.
He’s driving around a player and without contact his knee gives out and he collapses. I wish him well because he didn’t trip his body failed him there.
600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".
hahahaha, It probally is.
RICKAY!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADjoq8G-yuQ
by AndrePatterson on Jan 31, 2012 12:04 AM CST reply actions
Relevant part: Refer to my sig.
Irrelevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v6YiU6RXdU
"No disrespect to Courtney Lee, but he's like a foot shorter than me." - Michael Beasley
awesome
Pek > "Demarcus Cousins"
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 31, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
How much longer
Can Adelman keep starting Luke and Wes?
Barring trades, I’m hoping to see the Rubio/Webster/Beasley/Love/Pek starting lineup.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
Luke isn't bad.
Just a different piece. Adleman will figure it all out. Not many people can shoot like luke can.
I'm growing to love
the feeling when Luke pulls up for an open mid-range jumper and I have no doubts that it’s going in. Very few shooters are good enough to make you genuinely surprised any time they miss.
My twitter: www.twitter.com/HogeJ
" . . . when Luke pulls up for an open mid-range jumper and I have no doubts that it’s going in . . ."
I wish that’s how I felt. I’m positive his shot is missing until it goes in. And it pisses me off even a few seconds after he’s scored.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 1:00 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
This is the definitive Luke Ridnour feeling, for me too.
Is there another player in Wolves’ history where so many of his big made shots are really pretty poor choices? It’s almost like he’s using the fact that they’re bad decisions to get his shot off, sometimes.
Chauncey, maybe, when he was here? Billups took early threes. Not the same kind, but as a PG he called his own shot at odd times when he was a Wolf.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
Troy Hudson...
Of course, his shot selection paled in comparison to some of his other poor choices.
I only ever want the Wolves to draft 5th.
@BrettAhlgren
by BrettAhlgren on Jan 31, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
Ah, yeah, he probably qualifies.
It wasn’t his defining trait though. T-Hud’s calling card was “lunge at opposing point guard as he crosses halfcourt, resulting in defense breaking down even before halfcourt offense can get started.” Man, what a shitty defender.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
Heh, yeah, except you gotta make the shots.
Peeler sort of took a spot-up shooters looks, though, a lot of the time.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
I immediately had the cold finger down my spine
thinking of him catching the wide open pass for the corner three.
I dreaded every time he shot and dude was a career above avg three point shooter (just barely).
I sort of feel the same way, but when you consider how well he shoots, who the heck cares?
That’s his game.
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 31, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
That's Kevin Love for me on catch-and-shoot
three-pointers where he’s open and has a minute to gather himself.
I can hardly recall him ever missing one of those.
Why not bring Beasley off the bench?
You need bench scoring.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jan 31, 2012 6:22 AM CST up reply actions
I think it made sense last year
I’m not sure whether or not it does this year. You can tell, though, he doesn’t want to come off the bench.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 31, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
So...
Wes never needs to see the floor again, right? Ridnour, Webster, Ellington, and Beasley can split every last minute at the wing postions. Right? Add tonight’s play where Wes had an open path the basket and powerdribbled off his own foot out of bounds to his highlight reel.
My twitter: www.twitter.com/HogeJ
It's this pass first mentality the lesser Wolves are developing
not realizing that Ricky always knows where all the players are at all times. Then Wes gets the ball, thinks pass and THEN looks for someone to pass it to.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
Man I can't wait to watch this game.
Sounds like its just going to reinforce my love for Beas though.
Live And Stupid From England
by JonesTheCat on Jan 31, 2012 1:59 AM CST via mobile reply actions
PEK!
(Okay, he didn’t play much in this one, but by all accounts he played well when he was in.)
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 2:07 AM CST up reply actions
I've got the second half of the Lakers game to watch first.
Eek.
Live And Stupid From England
by JonesTheCat on Jan 31, 2012 4:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hope Beasley can change my mind
I’ve been a hater of his game since last season. He’s shooting a lot, but yesterday he took GOOD shots and, most of all, got to the FT line. Change my mind, Mike. Give me no choice.
For the loser now
Will be later to win
The Rockets went small in the 4th quarter
and this time Adelman matched them. The five of Rubio, Johnson, Martell, Beasley, and Tolliver had a good run particularly on the defensive end.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
can't wait till the trade deadline passes
Tired of all these wild ch trade proposals
by TO12 on Jan 31, 2012 6:30 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
You seriously think the deadline will end it?
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 31, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
bummed i missed the game
i had an epic rehearsal.
looks like it was a weird and fun game.
http://www.davechisholmmusic.com
I did a little research
Just out of curiosity. I looked up the Players Ricky is compared to the most (exeot for the ridiculous pete maravitch comparisons). These are their numbers when they were first given consistent minutes:
MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
Rubio (1.Season) 34.4 0.382 0.354 0.817 4.7 8.9 2.2 0.2 3.24 2.33 11.4
Kidd (1.Season) 33.8 0.385 0.272 0.698 5.4 7.7 1.9 0.3 3.16 1.85 11.7
Nash (4.Season)31.7 0.363 0.374 0.826 2.9 5.5 0.9 0.0 2.08 2.45 7.9
Rondo(2.Season)29.9 0.492 0.263 0.611 4.2 5.1 1.7 0.2 1.91 2.43 10.6
Niiiiiiiiiiiiice
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 31, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
Dude, Ricky is legitimately better than Kidd was
The same Kidd who won ROY and later was the best player on two NBA Finals teams.
:)
My twitter: www.twitter.com/HogeJ
Great game for everyone, but...
Wes’ confidence has to be completely shot. He can’t be that bad. Just wait till Lee comes back and plays better, too. A 2nd Rounder.
He’s probably untradeable. Hope he snaps out of it to provide something. He does rebound a little.
signature
The game is too fast for him
I think it’s as simple as that. That might be due to confidence in some respects, but non-confident players can still contribute in ways that only require effort and some remedial execution.
You can't...dust...for vomit.
by twinstalker on Jan 31, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
But Wes' post-dunk stare at his own bench
was followed by some of the most inspired bench play of the season!
by Imyourhuckleberry on Jan 31, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
New game plan
Get Wes a dunk early to fire up the bench, then sit him for the rest of the game. Perfect!
Wes’ shooting percentage will skyrocket, the bench will play better and Wes can still feel like he’s important by remaining in the starting lineup. This is a brilliant plan.
by Cobra312004 on Jan 31, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
Makin' hay
Anyone else drooling over the possibilities for the Wolves to make a move up the standings in the next 3 weeks? Check out the 10 game stretch coming up:
IND
@NJ
HOU
SAC
@MEM
DAL
NYN
@ORL
CHA
@HOU
I’m calling 7-3 over that stretch but hoping for 8 wins. One note, the SAC-NYN stretch is 4 games in 5 nights. Uff da!
I too am a lone wolfpack.
What's crazy. . .
Is that they are clearly in the toughest division in the league, we’re going to be almost 1/2 of the way thru the season by the time we get past this stretch, and we STILL will only have played OKC once and UTH once, with no DEN or POR. We’ll have to make hay against those guys in the 2nd half if we are going to stick around .500.
The first Portland game...
I plan to be at as I live in Oregon and it will be an interesting test at that point. Will be last game of a 4 game road trip that starts with b2b against Clips and Lakers then over to PHX and up here to PDX. At least there will be an off day tween Suns and Blazers game. They may really need the Blazer game if and when the LAX double-dip trips them up.
But yes, all the remaining games vs DEN, OKC, PDX and the Lakers are going to make things hairy if the young fellas truly want to nab a playoff spot.
I too am a lone wolfpack.
Being in this division is a Bitch.
Forget about how luck we’d be to be in the East, how lucky would we be to be in the Pacific division?
Our schedule is gonna end up being a top 5, or at best top 10, hardest in the league when it’s all said and done.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
On this note...
Please come over here!
I only ever want the Wolves to draft 5th.
@BrettAhlgren
by BrettAhlgren on Jan 31, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Dangit
Thanks for the heads up better go scalp some tix
by WolvesBigTicket on Jan 31, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
Gotta do it in this stretch, because March is brutal
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 31, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
When we're 0-2 versus Cleveland and Toronto
And 4-0 versus Dallas and San Antonio, it would appear to this fan that wins and losses are more about how the Wolves play this year versus who their opponent is. Especially now that they are winning on the road as well.
Michael Beasley is a Small Forward. Derrick Williams is a Power Forward.
Maybe
But they have a stretch from 2/28 to 4/2 with 15 road games and 6 home games. Including a 7 game trip over 11 days, and including 3 games against a Laker team that they apparently cannot beat. There are winnable games in there, but that is going to be a very trying month+.
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 31, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
If we are serious about making the playoffs this year...
we should be hoping for as many games against the Lakers and Jazz as possible. That is our competition.
Honestly… even though we lost, I thought Sunday’s game was good evidence that we can and should beat the Lakers on most nights.
by vjl110 on Jan 31, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
frustrating how hard
both those teams came at us. Cavs and Raps both looked like legit EC playoff teams and flat out beat us. I think Toronto lost 8 consecutive after they beat us (granted Bargnani got injured)
I'll take 6-4 but it's probably 5-5
Pek > "Demarcus Cousins"
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 31, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Obligatory optimist takes
1) if Beasley can play like this every night or at least with this mindset, we’ll be unstoppable
2) maybe the wing we need has been on this roster the whole time
Now that’s out of the way, it does not surprise me at all that most of the players who spend significant time on the bench at some point have come back with a new found sense of purpose. Ellington, pek and now maybe Beasley. It’ll be cool to see what happens
I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.
by VoodooMagic on Jan 31, 2012 10:21 AM CST via mobile reply actions
What I love about RA
I am very biased in the fact that I have loved Beasley since I watched every game while he was at K-State, but I think the coaching aspect of this year cannot be underestimated. I have no doubt Bease will revert back to the way that he has been told to play by the other 3 coaches in his career because it takes time to break that, but I firmly believe Adelman already knows this and waiting for the chance to teach him off and on the court how to do things differently.
Beasely isn’t uncoachable because I don’t believe he really ever has been coached, lets see what a real coach can do with his raw talent.
Oh noes
From BE:
Portland Trail Blazers forward Nicolas Batum left the court during the fourth quarter of a Monday night game against the Utah Jazz with a left knee injury.
Batum went to the floor in pain while driving to his right with the Blazers down, 89-87, with 24 seconds remaining in the game. Batum dribbled past Jazz forward C.J. Miles but fell as he tried to turn the corner, slipping to the court, losing control of the ball and immediately clutching his left leg in pain. At the first dead ball, Blazers trainer Jay Jensen attended to him and he was helped to the locker room. Batum left the court with 15 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal and 1 block on 5-for-9 shooting in 31 minutes.
“I don’t know,” Blazers coach Nate McMillan said during a post-game interview televised by Comcast SportsNet Northwest. “I haven’t even checked on Nic. He got tripped and I don’t know if he had knee on knee or what happened on that play… We wanted to see if Nic could get to the basket quickly. The hand off was there. He was trying to get there and tripped.”
Sounds ugly.
Hate to see that happen to anyone.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
MRI results show Trail Blazers' Nicolas Batum has a bone contusion on left knee, listed day to day
The results of a Tuesday morning magnetic resonance imaging test performed on forward Nicolas Batum’s left knee are in and the news is good: Batum merely has a bone contusion and no serious damage.
Batum will miss Wednesday night’s game against the Charlotte Bobcats at the Rose Garden and is officially listed as day to day. He is expected to be reevaluated later this week.
The Blazers’ backup small forward injured his knee in the closing seconds of the team’s 93-89 Monday night loss to the Utah Jazz. During a pivotal play, Batum drove through the lane for a potential game-tying shot and twisted his left knee while trying to cut to the basket.
He immediately collapsed to the court and writhed around in pain, holding his left knee. Batum was helped to the locker room and did not return.
Whoa, surprising
It did not look good on video, his leg definitely bent in a funky way. I’ll call it a good reflection on his durability. Let’s trade for him.
That diagnosis
is good to hear.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone know how to make a good embedded wigit?
We need something for the Marko Ratio. I.e. the difference between the Wolves and the Jazz and the number of spots down in the lotto the Wolves will be by giving their pick to NOLA and getting it from the Jazz. Currently it is -9.
That sounds like just the jinx to knock Utah out of the playoffs... :/
I only ever want the Wolves to draft 5th.
@BrettAhlgren
by BrettAhlgren on Jan 31, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Wouldnt it be strange
If our pick ended up as a worse pick than the Jazz’s? I mean how many of you thought that could happen (i certainly didnt)
by WolvesBigTicket on Jan 31, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Strange: often wonderful, if you'll only give it a chance.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
The Wolves new non-Ballow media team is so bad
The youtube account still hasn’t updated with Adelman’s postgame against HOU. I cannot find it anywhere. Screw you, new Wolves media team.
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
Yeah I spent about 15 minutes looking for that (that I'll never get back)
Houston has a wealth of interviews to watch.
They're really horrible
The whole website is a mess. They still have Mike and Natalie listed as the hosts here:
http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/wolves/timberwovles_game_night_entertainment_0910.html
Hoopus isn’t listed on their blogs here:
Their stories aren’t as good, the coverage has dropped off considerably, yadda, yadda. The last “post” is from the 23rd.
Just bad. I’m hoping it’s a case of just getting started. We’ll see.
It's not the people, I'm sure. Jonah was a one man band, he was Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins.
The problem is chintziness.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
Man I feel so bad for Jonah now
I know the Knicks are probably a bigger gig, but he must be slightly frustrated that he left a horrible team, which became really fun, and ended up covering a gigantic screwup.
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 31, 2012 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Mike Trudell's still covering the Lakers, isn't he? Poor guy.
And earning way more from an organization that actually does some of this stuff right, just like Jonah, I imagine.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
Off-topic for anything discussed so far
But Gustavo Ayon is putting up some sparkling per-minute and advanced numbers this year. Where did this guy come from? Have any of the stats whizzes around here done projections from his euro numbers to see if this is sustainable at all?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/ayongu01.html
Also, why the heck is New Orleans not playing him way more minutes?
Probably because they have tons of other F/C who aren't starting
Like Favors…. That said he’s stuffing that stat sheet and would be worth trying to steal from Utah with a Wes Johnson (i.e. worthless or expiring contract) type. I doubt they bite however.
oh he plays for NO
we should definitely try to get him. No idea why they aren’t playing him I thought he was a Utah guy.
his numbers in Europe were excellent.
I looked him up after he impressed me in our game against NO, and was immediately pissed that I hadn’t heard of him until then… He is doing nothing unexpected.
Here are his converted Euro numbers.. (the NBA numbers in this image aren’t up to date)
Good Ricky pic
On ESPN Daily dime.
http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime
Also from ESPN today:
DUNK! Dunk dunk dunk. Dunkity dunk dunk, dunk dunk DUUUUNNNNNK! Dunk dunk dunkity dunk.
(yesterday too, when they tried to turn the lebron dunk into something)
Deadspin has a great new feature:
http://deadspin.com/bristolmetrics/
Congratulations, hockey.
Also, Love makes this list:
MOST-MENTIONED SPORTS FIGURES
Rather than break down the amount of time a specific sports figure was covered, we counted how frequently names were mentioned in the transcripts from the week. The 15 most-mentioned sports people for Jan. 20-26:
Joe Paterno: 116
Tom Brady: 81
Eli Manning: 75
Kevin Love: 27
Victor Cruz: 27
Peyton Manning: 26
Alex Smith: 24
Joe Flacco: 23
Dwight Howard: 23
LeBron James: 21
Russell Westbrook: 20
Prince Fielder: 19
Rob Gronkowski: 18
Kevin Durant: 17
Derrick Rose: 16
by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 31, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Can't believe Peyton wasn't higher.
Interesting website though.
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Jan 31, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Why's that?
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
I've watched more ESPN the past week than I'd like to admit.
Perhaps because I’m annoyed by the “non story” that is Peyton Manning’s neck/return/contract, but it just seemed like it was the Peyton Manning network with a few sports stories thrown in.
In fact, I’m watching ESPN right now and Trey Wingo is interviewing Manning. I take my hat off to Manning on that one. Wingo came off as a D Bag badgering him with neck questions in an interview that was supposed to be about Gatorade.
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Jan 31, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
Okay.
I haven’t watched any of that, so I didn’t know that there was any Peyton Manning news.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
I hope they finally got to the meat of the Gatorade issue
I’m tired of this being swept under the rug by most media outlets.
remember cookie dough sport (gatorade)?
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
It was in my mind the entire time. I was imagining Will Ferrell pouring cookie dough sport into his mouth as I was typing.
I started thinking about meat Gatorade in the same way, but I stopped before I grossed myself out any further.
Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.
It's not so much the topic because...
…let’s face it, neither topic is very exciting. It just seemed like Wingo promised Manning an interview in order to fulfill contractual obligations to Gatorade and then tried pulling the not so clever “I’ve got him! Now I can pepper him with status questions!”.
Manning even said “I thought this was supposed to be about Gatorade” during the interview. Wingo then asked one question about that topic and then hit him immediately afterword about his neck.
ESPN sucks
by Child soldier Frank Jaeger on Jan 31, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
Gatorade paid good money for that air time!
Come on Trey, give the corporations people what they want!
by Cobra312004 on Jan 31, 2012 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
I may be in the minority
But I didn’t get he crazy fawning over the Griffin dunk.
Fun to watch? Yes.
Impressive? Yes.
Worth 30 viewings? No.
I’ll take a great Rubio pass anyday. ;-)
by Rodman99 on Jan 31, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Crazy fawning is right
This makes two “dunks” that Griffin threw in because he was too far away from the hoop. He also uses his off-arm to lift up off the defender, which should probably be called an offensive foul.
Meh – I liked the Webster dunk better. Pretty tough catch and narrow window to throw the ball.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Jan 31, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
I always thought that using the defender to push yourself up was an offensive foul.
But I guess if it looks cool enough…
That is one reason I've never liked the famouse Chambers dunk
Doesn’t really look at that special to me, and he seems to be obviously pushing up off the defender. Maybe it was cooler in game.
Want a great dunk ESPN guys? How about little 6’ KJ over HOF shot blocker Dream? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifx_gRF-ouU Awesome!
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Jan 31, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha, I was just looking for that link to post
I loved that one.
I've changed my sig. The Wolves are now like a reasonably decent meal.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 31, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah; KJ's was it.
I wasn’t all that impressed with Blake’s throw-down, because Perkins was turning and backing off, giving him an open lane. I’ve seen better. Like about 5 of Corey Brewer’s.
"I'm shocked - shocked - to find basketball going on in here."
I'm partial to put back dunks...
….and this one (from college ball) has always been my favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UXAz6jhXgk
Also, in terms of college, it’s hard to overlook “SEND IT IN JEROME!”
Oh that ones filthy.
Loved those Logan/Levitt Bearcat teams.
Levitt’s buzzer-beating dunk to beat one of the more stacked Duke teams ever
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 31, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
I like this one
because of how far he came running to time it perfectly. Oh Beas, you’re so good when you do things like this:
by saudagg on Jan 31, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That was visionary.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
And Vince Carter: Pioneering the Upward Push-off
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta love that dunk
I was waiting for this to play right after he nailed it though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 31, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
I never get tired of that song.
I imagined it playing unironically in the background of every Dubya speech about turrism.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry man, those are my favorite kind
This one and Mosgov are amazing for me. There’s something about throwing the ball at the hoop, instead of throwing it,in, that is just nasty. Almost primal.
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by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 31, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
Combo putback throw-in!
by saudagg on Jan 31, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Special.
I miss the old days. When I was young.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
PS: Some idiot on SportsCenter this morning
dubbed it a top 10 of all time dunk.
Yikes, can our society get any more enamored with the last 5 minutes?
I’ll bet you could find 20 better dunks just looking at Jordan, Pippen, and Shawn Kemp playoff dunks.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Jan 31, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Offhand, several more memorable works of art come to mind.
Kemp, pointing at Alton Lister afterward.
Starks, over what felt like the entire Bulls franchise at that moment.
Jordan over Ewing after beating Oakley and another Knick with his palmed dribble. “Well…. This is an ego problem for Patrick Ewing.”
Heck, I’m partial to dunks from pure craftiness, too.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
The Kemp-pointing dunk....that's the best.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 31, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
or seeing man fly
All these links to dunks
and y’all skipped Corey’s free throw line dunk over Fish — CH fans are many things but homers? Not so much.
Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!
That wasn't the equal of his dunk over Robin Lopez later that year, even.
Derek Fisher is as tall as me, you know? Over a big means more.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
That's fun to see.
I hope Corey’s doing well.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
This is probably my favorite non-Mosgov dunk of the last few years
He just soars.
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 31, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
Criminy, between Smith and 'Melo the Nuggets are seething with weird edgy emotion there.
Look at Anthony on the sidelines. Wow.
"First, I'd like to blame the Lord for causing us to lose today."
That's amazing.
"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012
by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
See man fly is my favourite since I've been a basketball fan, just so cool.
Live And Stupid From England
That is ridiculous.
He just keeps hanging in the air.
They pull out the top 10 all time crap
All the time on ESPN. Its so dumb. Do any of you remember when that LeBron to Wade (or maybe it was the other way around) alley oop layup happened? They were talking about how it was the greatest play of all time for literally weeks after it happened.
Also, what is with the Tebow infatuation on ESPN? And why is Paterno talked about like a saint?
If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 31, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
Because he won a lot of games
And why is Paterno talked about like a saint?
And in the religion of sports, wins are all that matters.
I wouldn't say he's been talked about as a saint.
I just don’t think they’ve been focusing on just the past few months. I think they’ve been pretty even-handed with that, to be honest, which surprises me.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Feb 1, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Also, what is with the Tebow infatuation on ESPN? And why is Paterno talked about like a saint?
I cannot explain either one. I have zero interest in either guy, and I found the over, over, over, over coverage of them overputting.
Sadly, I assume they have a lot of polling or feedback sessions that drive the content. So for a majority of their viewers, those must have been topics that people tuned in for.
The weird part is – you can get info on hot topics like those from any news channel with a few minutes of sports. Where ESPN could differentiate themselves is by telling us about other players, or break down upcoming key games in various sports, or go over the merits of different guys for the All Star game, or talk a little about Euroleague basketball, or … This list could go on.
Instead, they do the following:
- SHOUT AT EACH OTHER ABOUT THE NFL
- SHOUT AT US ABOUT HOW AWESOME A PLAY IS
- SHOUT AT US ABOUT THE MINUTIAE OF A STORY LIKE TEBOW
- BRIEFLY DISCUSS A FEW BIG COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAMES OR BASKETBALL GAMES
- Repeat the exact same show, down to the letter, again next hour
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 1, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
I know - I am just surprised that is the best they can do
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Feb 1, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Much like jet lag, Ricky still struggling to switch over to North American gravity. Still feels the pull from back in home Spain.
"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra
by Wile E Coyote on Jan 31, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Let's cut the crud
Shawn Kemp & Dominique Wilkins EASILY more entertaining Dunkers than Griffin.
by fanslaststand on Feb 1, 2012 12:12 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Don't forget VC
But let’s be fair, this is BG’s second year.
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by CoffeeJanitor on Feb 1, 2012 5:42 AM CST up reply actions
His arms are too thick.
Flying skinny limbs are essential for max ball speed and aerial maneuvers.
by fanslaststand on Feb 1, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
His arms are also really short
which is why some of his greatest “dunks” are really vicious tosses from a foot away.
Doorstep, you are a brilliant analogister
Bonaly is famous for her backflip landed on only one blade; she is considered the only skater in the world capable of this move.[citation needed] She is also known for having attempted a quadruple toe loop jump at the 1991 World Figure Skating Championships – the first and only female skater to have done so. Though she landed the jump, she was not fully rotated in the air and had to complete the rotation on the ice, making it a triple and not a quadruple jump. Bonaly was never credited with successfully landing the jump by the International Skating Union. However, despite her athletic skills, Bonaly was notably awkward on the ice between jumps and long suffered from low artistic impression scores. -wiki
by fanslaststand on Feb 1, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
The connection I made
Was that I remember her losing subjective points with judges for being “too muscular”’ in a sport that, along with gymnastics, requires the competitors to fit a very specific image. Her limbs were just too beefy for the judges, just like Blake’s were in your comment. The whole package: awkward, raw power in a too-muscular body) seemed to fit exactly where the take on Blake was going.
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