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Bill Simmons Likes the Wolves Now?
"The best example of things changing: The Minnesota Timberwolves Rubio Loves improbably morphing into America's Team. This couldn't have happened 15 years ago, 10 years ago, or maybe even five years ago, but the League Pass/Twitter/Texting/iPhone/iPad Era has been a phenomenal asset for them. Any time something is brewing with Minnesota — the T-Wolves trying to upset another contender, Rubio approaching a triple-double, Love going for a 30-20, you name it — word spreads quickly enough to catch crunch time. You know, assuming you weren't watching it, anyway. Had this specific Timberwolves season happened 15 years ago, we only could have enjoyed it through Craig Kilborn's 2 a.m. SportsCenter highlights. In our on-demand world of 2012, you can watch any Timberwolves game in any possible situation. Amazing."

I've been living in #freeKevinLove world and all of a sudden this pops in. I know we've loved it, but are wolves really capturing the rest of NBA fandom. Will our small market ball that is exciting and fun (Rubio, Love, and oh how I want to believe it's Beasley) rescue the league from all of it's plodding, big metro, top heavy marketing?

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7519970/time-change

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Apparently I can’t even figure out how to put a title on the post

by midlife crisis on Jan 30, 2012 11:16 PM CST reply actions  

So is he going to own up about being wrong ever or what

If I'm pissing you off its probably sarcasm

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 30, 2012 11:58 PM CST reply actions  

He was right about Love and right about Kahn

and wrong about Rubio. Not bad for a humorist posing as a sports writer. I’d assume he mocked Flynn, Wes, trading away Lawson, Rambis, Ryan Hollins, etc., but I’ll just lump those in under Kahn.

by rickyp on Jan 31, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

The trading away Lawson crap bugs me

He was like the 6th Point Guard taken in that draft and nobody at the time was saying he was a superstar and nobody was suprised he fell to 18 in the draft. We traded away the 18th pick and Denver chose Lawson. He turned out to be an above average point guard good for Denver.

by xraraavis on Jan 31, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

It's one thing I'm not getting on Kahn about

Inasmuch as I thought about Lawson at all in that draft, I thought “career backup.”

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by Malastare on Jan 31, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Writers like Simmons surely weren't clamoring for Lawson...

….but it was pretty hard to ignore his college production. Throw in the Kahn quote about them not seeing anyone worth taking at that spot and it’s not hard to see it as a missed opportunity.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 31, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Yup

Lawson didn’t pass the traditional scout “eye test” with flying colors, but how could have so many people ignored what amounted to a nearly historic year statistically!? And it’s not like he was playing for some mid-major program either. A lot of us on here were beating the drum on Lawson leading up to that draft….may be not in the top 5 or 6, but certainly somewhere in the next tier down.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 31, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Hollinger LOVED him.

Lawson, who is coming off an electric performance in leading North Carolina to the championship, grades out highly for several reasons: Although he’s short for a point guard, his shooting numbers (47.1 percent on 3-pointers), strong assist rate and microscopic turnover ratio (9.1, first among point guard prospects) all point to him as an NBA keeper.

The Draft Rater puts Lawson slightly ahead of Griffin for first, but this doesn’t mean a team should take Lawson first. The standard error in the projections for point guards is higher than it is for big men, which means random noise could be putting Lawson ahead just as easily as on-the-court performance. If the consensus is that Griffin is the better player, I don’t think Lawson’s statistical record alone is strong enough evidence to refute it. Additionally, we’ve heard questions about Lawson’s work ethic and injuries.

But the rating is emphatic enough for me to say Lawson should be at the top of the college point guard ladder, ahead of Jonny Flynn, Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague & Co. (If you’re wondering about Ricky Rubio, I’ll have more on him next week.)

by Simitar on Jan 31, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, the stats geeks loved him

and a lot of folks on this site are stats geeks. It’s the front office decision makers that clung to their old-school player eval dogmas.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 31, 2012 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Ed Weiland had my favorite post on the 2009 PGs:

his draft is about the PGs though. This will become known as the PG draft. Remember the 1983 football draft? That was the QB draft. In order the QBs went: John Elway, Todd Blackledge, Jim Kelly, Tony Eason, Ken O’Brien and Dan Marino. If ranked by careers it would go: Elway by a razor over Marino because of his super bowl wins. Those two are followed by Kelly, quite a large gap, then Eason, O’Brien and Blackledge. That means in the final analysis the QBs finished 1-6-3-4-5-2. Here’s how the PGs were drafted in the 2009 draft:

Ricky Rubio (Elway)
Jonny Flynn (Blackledge)
Stephen Curry (Kelly)
Brandon Jennings (Eason)
Jrue Holiday (O’Brien)
Ty Lawson (Marino)

This analogy makes sense. Rubio will become a legendary player like Elway. But he’ll have somewhat of a rough start to his career. He may even force a trade out of Minnesota, like Elway did with Baltimore. Flynn will be the Blackledge. The guy everyone fell in love with on draft day, even though he just didn’t measure up to the others. He will be the bust. Stephen Curry to the Warriors is the obvious Jim Kelly. He’ll be part of a high-scoring, entertaining offense that may or may not lose four consecutive finals. Jennings and Holiday will be Eason and O’Brien. They’ll have their moments, but are nothing more than solid journeymen. Holiday fits well as the O’Brien because both were considered projects at the time they were drafted. Lawson will be Marino. It will be apparent to everyone almost immediately that it was a mistake to pass on this guy. No I didn’t forget Tyreke Evans, he’s a SG.

by Simitar on Jan 31, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Good reminder of how eerily...

accurate his draft projections are.

If I was an NBA GM I would have Ed Weiland on my draft team yesterday.

by vjl110 on Jan 31, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

And for the price of internet service...

It’s all been there for them. Along with various other systems.

by jianfu on Feb 1, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I really wish the NBA

would change their rules about traded draft picks. I never understood why they can’t announce the trade until after the picks are made. This aggravates fans by pulling the rug out from under them, and it leads to stupid comments about the Wolves drafting 3 PGs, when this pick was not made by us.

by Jerwol on Jan 31, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

In a column today, Simmons says he was wrong about Rubio.

Link here: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7523441/20-questions-part-1 Says some pretty nice things about him now.

Also rips on Kahn for not giving Love the 5-year deal.

by MNHawkeye on Jan 31, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

No props to Kahn for signing Adelman

And CJ, he said Kahn overpaid for Pekovic!!!!

Release the hounds!

by Rodman99 on Jan 31, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I saw that

and stopped reading. He’s dead to me.

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm to the point

where I cannot tell how much of this is for laughs and how much is real.

by JMGrady on Jan 31, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

(It's about 50/50. I'm having a lot of fun with it.)

BUT NOBODY DISRESPEKTS PEK!

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

More seriously,

I like Pek’s game a lot. I think that’s what centers should do. I think his potential is high, but he’ll likely top out at a borderline starter. I think there’s no question there’s a place for him in the NBA, but maybe that place is as a backup who can give 20 solid minutes of offense.

I’d be ecstatic, though, if he really got it together, continued to decrease his fouling rate, continued to reduce the three-second calls, and became the Wolves’ starter. His scoring and offensive rebounding are immensely valuable, but he has some adjustments to (continue to) make to be a starter long-term.

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not a Cynical Jason, but I play one on CH

Err, well, I am a cynical Jason, but you totally rolled in first and stole my bit with your clever handle.

It is fun to play the Pek smash card and you got on it early, so sticking with it is apt and you’re right on about how he’s taken up his level of play. His offensive boards and ability to hold his ground under the basket are just crazy. His slick little layups on either side of the hoop are easy money.

I’m so very curious about what Pek might’ve done off the court that finally got RA to pull him off the bench. He was racking up CD-DNPs at the beginning of the season.

by JMGrady on Jan 31, 2012 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

He had a groin pull

early on, but it seems like it took Darko’s illness to compel Adelman to play him big minutes. But it’s pretty clear from his game splits so far that when he’s given minutes, Pek produces in a big way (with one exception).

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Injury

I think Adelman liked him from very early on. I think he got a start in pre season and he was getting reps with the Love/Rubio group in scrimmages.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 31, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I like that story better.

And it seems more authoritative. I’m going with it.

"Oh my, oh my, oh my. Is that great basketball or what?" --Hubie Brown, Jan. 20, 2012

by Cynical Jason on Jan 31, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Raves about Rubio and Love, which is cool.

But it bugs me to hear him say so definitively “This is going to last three years and then Love is going to sign somewhere else. It shouldn’t have played out this way.”

Like it’s already played out? Do you realize you’re projecting three years down the road and also pretending you understand a guy’s motivations and inner thoughts when you don’t have access to them?

It wasn’t a good move to hardball Love. But this smacked so strongly of “Rubio will never play in Minnesota! He hates it there!” that it almost made me a little more confident Love will stay.

by LoveTo on Jan 31, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Just getting into Grantland

and NBAhangtime, two sites that do much to make up for Bleacher Report.

Yo ho ho and a FirstRow stream!

by TMiss on Jan 31, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Gee Bill

All the good seats on the bandwagon have been taken for years by the Canis Hoopus members. SnP is driving, feral’s reading the map, CJ is contrasting the scenery to movies he dislikes, and Poor Dick’s old plaid recliner is sitting right in the middle taking up WAY too much space. Bill, you can dangle from the bumper if you want.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Jan 31, 2012 2:33 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I was referring to all of his disdain for the Wolves

with his #freeLove business during the previous season. Definitely a fair-weather fan of the Wolves.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." -- Yogi Berra

by Wile E Coyote on Jan 31, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

He was over the top. It's true.

The whole country was tho. Did you ever hear the Rick Kamla take with Paul Allen on the radio about a year ago? They had to change Rick’s diaper 1/2 way through the interview. I wonder if I can find that somewhere on the trons….

by fanslaststand on Jan 31, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

and I already cut the breaklines of our opponent's bandwagon

bad things will happen when they tab the breaks after we beat them…MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

;)

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
If that doesn't work, cheat.

by TheEvilProfessor on Jan 31, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

(i stopped at "so, what do we make of all of this?")

(the rest is just draft stuff that i lay out when i write posts.)

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 31, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow

You’re having a tough time with this aren’t you ;)

Here’s my take: He was complicit in giving us two seasons of hell on the court and embarrassment off the court. He probably should have been fired. However, he wasn’t fired. And it turns out that his selection and stewardship of Rubio along with landing Adelman is now paying dividends. That doesn’t exonerate him from past ineptitude. But in the NBA, all you need is a couple of right decisions to turn the entire ship around and he’s damn close right now….Damn close.

by Rascal Flatts on Jan 31, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

He's still an incompetent when it comes to player eval.

That’s the scary thing. He likes Batum, but he likes him because of the long and athletic bit. He even went with the long and athletic bit with Henk Norel. Henk f’ing Norel. At the end of the day, the guy is still in charge of flipping the switch on players and…well, that’s still scary. 8 1st round picks, tens of millions of free agent dollars, a blotched Kevin Love deal….oi. The disaster potential is still there and it exists mainly in 1 guy.

In that sense, he’s the perfect POBO for this franchise. He is the misfit toy POBO for the misfit toy team. Too cute by half, entertaining, deeply flawed, and so on and so forth.

Things are still really weird over there. He talks about needing a center at the same moment Pek comes along in place of his boy Darko, rumors were flying all over the place that RJ Adelman was the guy on the phones with a number of players’ agents, etc.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 31, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Bumper bowling

Kahn/RJ might just roll their way into the semis. Dios mio, man.

Don Godofredo Montego de Montevideo

by godofredo on Jan 31, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm hopeful...

…they’ve got some parallels to when the Mavs pulled out of their long stretch of mediocrity many years ago, with Love playing the part of Dirk; Rubio, Nash; Adelman, Don Nelson, and RJ, Donnie. (And I don’t even know how good RJ is…)

That said, if Kahn ends up heisting someone like Batum this summer, he would’ve managed to turn Jefferson+Love+a bunch of fire hydrants into a Love/Rubio/Batum core in under three years. If someone had told me he would pull something like that off when he was hired, I probably would have advocated giving the man the Glen Taylor Handshake Agreement™. But knowing what we do…well, how do you balance that with all the PR flubs, or the embarrasing basketball takes, or how he managed to turn two consecutive lotto picks into two players legitmately in the discussion for “worst players in the league,” or his fetish for $5 million FA PGs, or thinking he was smarter than everybody else on Darko, or Rambis…?

Short of recreating the Shadow Mavs of the North, I do think Kahn has acknowledged he has his limitations. Maybe RJ or someone else will finally introduce the concept of a comprehensive, objective approach to the draft to 600 First Avenue. They’ve never really had that in all Taylor’s years at the helm. That sort falls under “first things first,” I think.

But personally, I just can’t give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

by jianfu on Jan 31, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

And of course

the assumption he will land/develop a third wheel is still an assumption.

by jianfu on Jan 31, 2012 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

When did they start calling

the 2nd overall pick, the fourth overall pick, and the sixth overall pick in the draft ‘fire hydrants’?

by rickyp on Jan 31, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

My term

At the end of McHale’s tenure, the roster was stuffed with so many guys with that squat, stocky build to them: Gomes, Foye, Rhino, Sheldon Williams…

by jianfu on Jan 31, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Oooooh...

….Shadow Mavs of the North is good.

I’ll never get their approach to player eval/the draft. The whole bag is to figure out some sort of measurement that is based on actual production and then to tinker with it in order to find out what sorts of college production correlates with success in the pros.

People get picky with wp48 but it has actual numbers that you can point to and, for better or worse, go back to each and every single year with a measuring stick that beats the eyeball test. That’s the bit and they simply haven’t done it.

I see Taylor gassing up at the local Kwik Trip every now and then. He was at the last fundraising event for the Mankato YMCA upgrade that one of my daughters helped out at. I need to make an ambush presentation about how I can save him money ;)

I wish I knew what was going on over there, power structure wise. I hear conflicting stories about Kahn’s role and influence. I’m hoping he’s learning from his mistakes and that the media training keeps him somewhat quiet. It really has been embarrassing to have him say some of the things he’s said over the past few years. He’s a genuinely smart guy and he seems to have a really great relationship with his son. There’s room on the island for another misfit but…well, I still don’t want him anywhere near the draft.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 31, 2012 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I sometimes wonder...

…if the crazy success of Garnett in some ways skewed the culture there. Garnett, as a HS player, was a pure eye test/upside project who happened to “hit” spectacularly. Maybe in some ways, from Taylor’s perspective (and by extension those whom he chooses to employ), that’s still a viable approach. E.g., why invest too heavily in a sober-minded approach when if a guy looks the part he might be transcendent?

But who knows? I suspect there’s many variables at work on that front.

Your point about Taylor’s money is spot-on, as well. We’re just fans, and at the end of the day, we’re allowed to move on with our lives. Conversely, Taylor’s wasted millions on replacement-level players, and yet sometimes there seems to be no urgency to change things up…

We’ll see. Kahn’s well into his final year on his contract. Typically for sports execs/coaches, that’s essentially a dead man walking. But with Taylor in the mix, it’s hard to say…

by jianfu on Feb 1, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

FWIW

Zgoda’s had a couple tweets recently that have suggested he’s skeptical Kahn’s around much longer.

by jianfu on Feb 1, 2012 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Something weird is definitely happening

Who knows how it will play out?

As cliche as it has become, the “country club” has been the country club for a while. The guy let his sons in law (Griffith and Moor) run things. Moor had his start in the film business and he got into sports with a hockey team. Griffith is a good guy but his background is in Taylor Corp direct mail and accounting. Kahn is a lawyer and former reporter who was kept away from the important basketball related decisions in Indiana. For the longest time, McHale was really the only credible basketball voice in the building and, as good of a basketball mind as he had, nobody can go unchecked for that long.

From what I’ve been able to piece together, when McHale was relieved as GM, Hoistackcock and Dean Cooper really tried to begin to modernize the basketball operations department. They bought a StratBridge contract and Jerry Sichting was using Synergy for game planning. Granted, Hoistackcock could have been completely incompetent in using these tools but at least they were attempting to point the ship in the right direction (i.e. modernizing the operation).

I’ve had several people tell me that part of Kahn’s pitch was that he wasn’t going to go the stats route. He went on and on about hard work and leg work and how you needed to put the time in with watching the players you want to have on the team, etc. What’s funny about all of this is that while Taylor probably didn’t like spending a yearly subscription fee for stats, he likely ended up footing the bill for scouting travel expenses that were above and beyond…well, none of it has ever made any sense if you step back and think about it.

I think the thing that is really hard for fans to wrap their heads around is that owners might own teams for very different reasons than fans root for them. Also, just because someone made a lot of money on printing doesn’t mean that they or the people they know have the first clue about professional basketball. Kahn played the role of the traveling salesman pitch-perfect with Taylor in this sense. He spotted an easy mark with tons of money and he went for it. Hat’s off?

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by Stop-n-Pop on Feb 1, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

"willingness to cut bait early on failures"

you forgot the ‘un’ in front of that.
Jonny – held too long
Wes – held too long
Rambis – held too long
I’m hoping the Adelman’s have enough power to make sure Kahn doesn’t decide if WIlliams gets traded or not.

You actually left out one of the most damning things (for me), which is Kahn’s utter failure to identify and value Kevin Love, and his attempts to trade him for peanuts. He had a top-talent power forward in this league given to him when he took the job, and he did everything he could to screw it up. Fortunately, Kahn failed at that too. This team is nowhere without Love, even with Rubio.

I sometimes wish Rubio had been picked with the Wolves own pick. It would be the same picks and trades, same players, but it would have made everything so much tidier:
Kahn took the pick he inherited and drafted the obvious guy who fell in his lap (Rubio)
Kahn turned Mike Miller, Randy Foye and their expiring contracts into Jonny Flynn

by rickyp on Jan 31, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Correct me if I'm wrong

This is great stuff, S-n-P, so I hate to nitpick (and I did rec your post)…but weren’t Glen Davis and Roddy Beaubois the choices of other teams who traded for Seattle/OKC draft picks? For sure Beaubois was Mark Cuban’s choice for that pick, not Presti’s. Wouldn’t the equivalent accounting have to credit Kahn for selecting Ty Lawson (and Kevin McHale for selecting Mario Chalmers)?

That aside, I’m with you.

by I.M. Fletcher on Jan 31, 2012 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Honestly, I never got around to fact checking the draft

Dunno. I just went back through BR’s transaction pages and was going to fact check the final product. I never got that far. If that’s the case, then I’d have to make sure that the approach was consistent with Kahn’s Lawson bit or just stick with Durant/Westbrook/Ibaka/Harden > Kahn’s top picks.

Thanks for the catch.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 31, 2012 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

No sweat.

By the way, it’s a remarkable testament to the lure of CH (and to the Rubio-Adelman effect) that this Fanshot from yesterday evening has already been bumped off the front page by new activity!

If Theo Ratliff’s Expiring Contract could see us now…

by I.M. Fletcher on Jan 31, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I like the theo line for a header

;)

that’s great. wayyyyy back when.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 31, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow, you're quick!

Thanks for the genuine honor! Coincidentally the one other time you tabbed me for header greatness was on the day Kahn was hired and we were all having a collective meltdown. That time it was “Despairy Home Companion.” Have we really come very far?!?

by I.M. Fletcher on Jan 31, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

We have

I think we had 5-6 people on the old site and I remember when we didn’t have to feed the beast with 2 game threads.

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 PM CST up reply actions  

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