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Immoral defeat


Turnovers, talent, and tainted trips to the line. Not much else to say.

This one wasn't about rotations. Rick Adlelman is working with a roster that probably should run out a 7 man rotation. 2 of these players are rookies, one is hurt. His choices are especially limited in a 66 game season...and with zero competent wing players.

Make free throws, don't turn it over, get a wing. Everything else is secondary. The fixes are obvious, the wounds are self-inflicted. This isn't rocket science.

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If I removed them from my life, I’d remove 95% of my stress.

by memyworldkj on Jan 4, 2012 9:51 PM CST reply actions  

I wish DWill was getting more burn

There were multiple offensive lapses that I thought he could help in. He must be doing some things coach doesn’t like, that I’m missing.

by Rodman99 on Jan 4, 2012 9:52 PM CST reply actions  

I'd imagine it's mostly defensively

He looks insane offensively even if he tends to camp out on the three point line.

My guess is that they are trying to get him up to speed defensively to the point where he won’t hurt the team if he is playing on the wing.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 4, 2012 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Where he probably shouldn't be

He’s an obvious trade asset. He may be a stud, but this team, at this moment, does not need another 4. We need to turn that 2nd good 4 into a 1st good 2 or 3.

by archie2227 on Jan 4, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

If Kevin Love doesn't sign his max contract

There’s no way I trade Williams. Rephrase: at least I don’t think so right now.

You can't dust for vomit.

by twinstalker on Jan 4, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

If KLove

doesn’t sign his max contract… well, start shopping Rubio for lottery tickets.

by archie2227 on Jan 4, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

If KLove doesn't sign his extension

We do a deal with OKC

OKC gets: Love
Minn gets: Harden, Ibaka, Sefalosha, Maynor and some sneaky pick they’ve been saving.

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 4, 2012 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather keep Love

But that’s quite the consolation

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 4, 2012 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Ugh. That was the worst thing about draft night

Mirotic was right there in our grasp. That guy can ball. I remember seeing him when he first showed up on Real Madrid last year. It was obvious he had game.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Jan 4, 2012 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Mirotic's stats in Euroleague (Real Madrid)

- 24 MIN (in Europe you don’t play more than 6-7 minutes per quarter).
- 12,6 points (61% 2FGM-A)
- 44% 3FGM-A
- 89,1% FTM-A
- REBOUNDS 4,3
- 14th most valuable player of the Euroleague
- 20 years-old!!!

by LobosfromMadrid on Jan 4, 2012 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Stud

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Jan 4, 2012 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

sure, but it's not like anyone keeps repeating that

the wolves have the best international scouts in the NBA.

Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control

by littleboxes on Jan 5, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

yes

Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control

by littleboxes on Jan 5, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the perfect deal for Williams

is something with N.O.

where we deal like Williams/Wes/Beasley/Randolph (Beasley and Randolph=expiring deals)/ and Ridnour and get Gordon/Ariza/Okafor

N.O. does this because it will almost ensure them they will have no long term contracts and a young player to build around in Williams (to go along with drafting Andre Drummond first overall should be a quality post duo) and they get the Okafor/Ariza contracts off their books

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 4, 2012 10:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably right, which is too bad. But there aren’t a lot of alternatives to find a wing, given the in-house options seem hopeless and no draft pick coming this spring. And the realistic UFAs have a whole lotta Budingers and Fields.

by jianfu on Jan 4, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Nick Young is a guy you take a long hard look at

Wash clearly isn’t building around him, they just didn’t want to lose him for nothing.

I’d really see if they’d trade like a Johnson/Beasley package for him….just trying to get something for a guy they aren’t gonna keep. Maybe toss in the Utah pick

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 4, 2012 10:32 PM CST up reply actions  

eh

He’s just a Beas in a 2 gaurs body

Pass

by TO12 on Jan 5, 2012 6:27 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Yuck

Please no. I watched him the other day against Bostons and he’s a ball-stoping chucker.

by zebano on Jan 5, 2012 7:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I think they should avoid Nick Young

like one would avoid a screaming psychopath on a street corner (although the psychopath would have way more passion for his chosen occupation than Nick Young)

I’m living here in DC. Nick is exceptional at laughing during blowouts, being a black hole as soon as the ball crosses half court, and praising the leadership of former Wizard Gilbert Arenas. Makes Beas seem like the President of Mensa.

Avoid at all costs.

Chazz Reinhold: Mom?? MOM!! What is she doing back there? I never know what she's doing.

by Son of Gerald Green on Jan 5, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

This. This so much

Don’t live in DC, but have seen Young play a lot dating back to college. It doesn’t even seem like he’s playing NBA basketball, as if he has no idea how the league works. He just camps out and shoots three’s, and sometimes he dunks if nobody is in the lane. He plays no defense, cannot pass….he is a really bad professional basketball player.

by Madsen's 3-Point Barrage on Jan 5, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of Draft picks,

when is the CH draft page and cap page going to get updated. they haven’t been touched in like 2 years. we have a pick coming to us from Utah and we got one coming in from that crazy trade down for cash thing Kahn did. what are the details on those and what are the likely hood one of those will come through next draft? also, what is aour cap situation this year and going forward? would really love to know these things.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 4, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

We also

still have Pek and Rubio listed on EuroWatch.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 4, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions  

and its missing

Paulao Prestes, any chance he could turn into a serviceable C? or that unpronounceable njema (sp?) blianca (sp?). any chance any of these stashed Euros ever turn into any thing?

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 4, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

The obvious Rubio pick aside,

it doesn’t seem as if our vaunted foreign scouting has netted us any player worth bringing over. Well, we did have Mrotic for a little while, but…

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 4, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey!

Henk was actually playing like a legit prospect before he got hurt. A Tolliver/Randolph type on this team.

by Dr. Wolfenstein on Jan 5, 2012 12:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Even if it is defensively

its obvious that he does more good than harm, just look at his +/-

by AT-360 on Jan 5, 2012 6:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I still really like Mayo as a player

He looks like a solid SG option. If Memphis is still shopping for bigs (Maybe Speights is the answer maybe he’s not) I would love to look into a Randolph/Mayo swap

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 4, 2012 9:52 PM CST reply actions  

Or Beasley/Mayo

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 4, 2012 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather keep Beas at this point

as bad as Beas has been, he is better then Wes by a country mile. if we trade Beas for Mayo, then Wes slides over to the 3 and we still get his sucktitude for starter min, especially when JJ can’t take his place on the floor any more. If we trade Randolph for Mayo, then Mayo starts, and JJ comes off the bench and Wes gets to DNP-CD, Beas stays as the starter at the 3, but I trust him to outplay Wes there every night and twice on Tuesdays.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 4, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I would much rather do Wes/Mayo too

or Randolph Mayo

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 4, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Wes for Mayo

would of course be ideal for us, but I don’t know how we could convince the Griz to do that.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 4, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

The only prayer they do that

if A) they are convinced they won’t re-sign Mayo (which might work) and B) think Johnson is being misused

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 4, 2012 10:30 PM CST up reply actions  

does memphis

need a 3? if they do, then that might work, if they don’t, then it wouldn’t really matter even if they did think he was being misused.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

they have some dude named Gay

seemed alright last night, maybe we could sell them on Wes’ potential %

one mroe for good measure %

by zebano on Jan 5, 2012 7:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Haven't posted in a while so...

I thought I would say that Wes Johnson is a very bad basketball player.

by SufferingBruin on Jan 4, 2012 9:53 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

To me, tonight was about the sloppy turnovers

If guys are missing, then you live with that. Missing free throws? It happens. But throwing the ball to your opponent? That hurts. There were about half dozen or so ridiculous turnovers that should never, ever happen.

by Rodman99 on Jan 4, 2012 9:54 PM CST reply actions  

Free throws gotta get better

it’s been a season-long issue

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 4, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

That Tolliver fling to no one in particular

that ended in an easy layup for Mayo? was especially egregious and a killer.

by RCollin on Jan 4, 2012 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

az much az i love Tolliver

he cost us two games wit missed free throws and dat TO tonight. Love dat dude doe Pause

MAYN HOL UP!

by MAYNHOLUP on Jan 4, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Good points... I'd rather see DWill in over him

And I’m a fan of Tolliver.

You need to have guys who can do more on offense than spot up for 3s.

by Rodman99 on Jan 4, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup

AT is a fan favorite but Adelman is putting way too much faith in him. Every time he puts it on the floor you know something bad is going to happen.

by Vlade on Jan 5, 2012 1:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I am wondering if AT is a bit of a choke artist..

as much as I love the guy, some moments just seem to big for him.

by bsg007 on Jan 5, 2012 3:12 AM CST up reply actions  

what?

Over react a bit?

by TO12 on Jan 5, 2012 6:28 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions   2 recs

Not a Popular Opinion

But how many times have you seen AT score off the dribble? Or score off a post up? I like the guy too but he has a career 426 field goal percentage, and his one offensive skill is the catch and shoot.

by Vlade on Jan 5, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm with Vlade

Love Tolliver, probably our best defender and can hit an open shot, but he should be fined everytime he dribbles, unless it’s one-two dribbles before a dunk or something.

by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 5, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Ahh I may have misread that

I read it as every time Adelman puts him on the floor you know something bad is coming. I agree that he shouldn’t dribble much, but I don’t think it’s as bad as every time he dribbles we turn the ball over.

by zebano on Jan 5, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Well ya

Tolliver isn’t a star, he’s like Ridnour, a real good backup that shouldn’t be getting starters minutes.

by TO12 on Jan 5, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Has DWill tried guarding 3s in a game yet?

Honestly, with this team I would give it a shot just to see what happens (actually I would like to see a reprise of Love on Melo now that he’s lost some weight just to see how quick he is).

by zebano on Jan 5, 2012 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I think that was the turning point

We had some momentum going there. Even if he just jacked up a shot that bricked, it would have been okay, but not that.

Also keep in mind Tolliver is one of our best scrappy/fundamentals players.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 4, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

It was a bad TO at a pivotal spot

But it’s also the sort of play that people overemphasize precisely because it happened when it did. When I look at the final box, a lot of other things jump out at me before Tolliver’s 1 TO on the day.

by WolvesFan03 on Jan 4, 2012 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

In terms of momentum

If you believe in that sort of thing affecting teams, that was pretty pivotal. The energy was really sucked out of the arena on that play.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 4, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions  

It depends how you look at it

If we could have ereased any one of the TOs that occured before that one by Tolly, it wouldnt be such a big deal and we probably win.

by TO12 on Jan 5, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Too much emphasis on the end of games. If the starters had made a few shots at the beginning of the game, it would have been Memphis trying desperately to come back in the first few minutes. If Tolliver’s turnover cost us the game, then EVERY turnover cost us the game.

"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"

by Steven Ellingson on Jan 5, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Having no wing players is a big deal

It takes away a lot of options on offense. Until they get one, it’s going to be tough to win games.

There’s good news, though. Love continues to be pretty damn amazing, and Rubio looks like the next Steve Nash.

We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.

by dan_the_man on Jan 4, 2012 9:55 PM CST reply actions  

The Grizz fans are eating crows on Ricky after playing against him

They have won this game but they had to admit that selecting Thabeet (not a Grizz anymore) in the 2nd spot of the draft-night instead of Rubio was a huge mistake. Even if they had their PG position covered, they could have traded Rubio for a good player. Their comments are like “this kid is killing us”, “I told you that he was an awesome player and we should keep him”, “why we passed on him for Thabust?”,…

by LobosfromMadrid on Jan 4, 2012 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Us Grizz fans have realized that drafting Thabeet over anyone in the draft, even the really weird scalper outside the FedEx Forum, was a mistake. At least we turned him into Battier for a half a season and playoff run…

by peytont on Jan 5, 2012 10:37 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

*Only if they came in a package deal

by peytont on Jan 5, 2012 10:55 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

we need a wing

i cant fuckin watch Wes Johnson do hiz best Jonny Flynn impression anymo mayn. Dis guy iz de fuckin worst. Ship hiz bum azz back to Iowa or wherever de hell he from. I saw him get 3 rebounds in like de second quarter and my thought was “wow dis iz de best hes played all year”. Last game hiz 6-6 wuz bullshit cuz dey wuz all bad shots he had no business taking. I would rather have RaShad McCants real talk

MAYN HOL UP!

by MAYNHOLUP on Jan 4, 2012 9:55 PM CST reply actions  

Yep. Wes is all bad.

Those shots last game were definitely not of the sustainable kind.

Tony Allen is Boss. The contrast b/w the two is so huge. Wes does nothing with so much, and Allen stretches everything he has.

by Tollysnipes on Jan 4, 2012 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

One thing I liked that Adelman did

Was run a play for Wes out of a timeout. Of course Wes missed. But I was happy to see a coach who tries to get a guy going.

Adelman just said they were lax at shootaround today. Maybe believing the hype too much.

by Rodman99 on Jan 4, 2012 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

But Wes's shot is so much prettier!

"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"

by Steven Ellingson on Jan 5, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Wish-list for the next games

1) Improve % of FTs
2) Less TOs per game
3) KLove and Ricky need to play together (not only in the 4th quarter)
4) DWill needs much more minutes
5) Bench Wes now
6) Bench Ridnour when Barea will be fine for playing games
7) We can’t wait every night for Ricky to “save us” with Tolliver, AR and DWill when we are -15 after benching him for an entire 1st quarter and keep doing it in the 3rd.

by LobosfromMadrid on Jan 4, 2012 9:57 PM CST reply actions  

My group of friends hates Darko no matter what

Even when he’s playing solid D, hitting easy layups etc he still gets heckled. It sucks.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 4, 2012 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I have a soft spot for Darko...

I don’t know what it is, but I’m always pulling for his to be a story of redemption. At least he’s playing great D this year.

by bsg007 on Jan 5, 2012 3:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Happy with Darko's Effort

He had eight boards in 22 minutes and played excellent D on Gasol. He also only had one turnover. Sure, he missed a couple of bunnies but it happens and unlike Beas we don’t pay him for his offense.

by Vlade on Jan 5, 2012 1:09 AM CST up reply actions  

exactly

Don’t really see how people can still say he doesn’t help us

by TO12 on Jan 5, 2012 6:30 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

DWill

doesn’t take any min from Beas. Darko tho gets benched so Klove can slide over, but this doesnt impact Beas one way or teh other.

Will the Real Thor Please Stand Up ... ?

by the Real Thor on Jan 4, 2012 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

and....

Both options are acceptable in my book.

by zebano on Jan 5, 2012 7:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I would like to see more ADolph as well...

He had a great 2nd quarter tonight. Him and Rubio really feed off of each other.

"Some people just want to watch the world burn"

by TwolfTom on Jan 4, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Adelman just said

At halftime we had 9 assists and Ricky had 8 of them.

by Rodman99 on Jan 4, 2012 9:58 PM CST reply actions  

Sorry, it was in the 3rd

Ricky played the whole 2nd and 4th quarter, but he entered:

In the 1st with 4:53 left.

In the 3rd with 2:53 left.

by LobosfromMadrid on Jan 4, 2012 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a bad rotation

because it puts immense pressure on him. Guys don’t go 16 minutes straight in the NBA. If you want him playing the final 9 minutes, you have to start him so he can rest late in 1st/early 2nd and late 3rd/early 4th.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Jan 4, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

That's true and the pressure in thinking he's a miracle man who fixes quarter is too high

He’s a rookie and very young. It’s difficult to be consistent and confident when taking the important shoots (remember that 3 nailed in the final minutes of the 4th?) all the time. There will be games when he will miss passes and shoots at important moments. That could be arranged by not letting the team reach the final minutes of the 4th quarter going under when the game should have been closed in the 3rd (he was benched for 10 minutes).

by LobosfromMadrid on Jan 4, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

He has been absolutely brilliant in the 4th quarter

but it’s asking too much. Frankly, I think I’d start him next to Ridnour for now, though that creates other problems, since one of them always has to be in the game, at least until Barea is healthy.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Jan 4, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Love and Ricky together

I agree with your point, but we cannot let Ricky and Love look like the Ladyhawke movie. When Love is benched Ricky steps in and viceversa.

by LobosfromMadrid on Jan 4, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

On the other hand, their best action by far is the Rubio-Love PnR

So I want them in the game together to run it. It’s true, though, that a lineup without either of them is a disaster.

Some of that will be helped when Barea comes back, though. He really helps them.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Jan 4, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Can you imagine what the Jazz would have looked like

if Stockton and Malone didn’t share the court very often? Lots of Jeff Hornacek chucking.

"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope

by Cynical Jason on Jan 4, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

awwwwww

Good lawd that’s well said

by zero_on_up on Jan 5, 2012 2:25 AM CST up reply actions  

you're right, obviously

But love has clearly shown he can put up numbers without anyone else helping.

Pretty much everyone else on our team needs Rubio to set them up. I’d be willing to venture a guess that a more even attack throughout the game from us is much better than a strong start, but horrific bench.

by TO12 on Jan 5, 2012 7:23 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I cannot wait until this happens

because it means less Wes Johnson. If Ridnour did nothing in that situation but play D and sit in the corner waiting to shoot the three ball I would be happy.

by zebano on Jan 5, 2012 7:59 AM CST up reply actions  

The other thing that's happening

Is teams are scouting us and planning for our plays. They are clogging up the passing lanes. Really trying to take away Love’s 3s.

Now we have to adapt.

by Rodman99 on Jan 4, 2012 10:01 PM CST reply actions  

Amen. It was amazing what they did to clog things up

Adelman’s job is to show these guys how to flip the opponents defensive moves back on them. We’ve done it in earlier games this year.

Grits are tuff, tho

by timmuggs on Jan 4, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we'll find, though

That most teams don’t play nearly the defense of SA and Memphis.

You can't dust for vomit.

by twinstalker on Jan 4, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I wasn't impressed by the SA D.

Memphis was taking away both the pnr and the pnp regularly. Kudos to them.

by zebano on Jan 5, 2012 8:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Adelman paraphrased

Too lax in the shootaround. We won 2 games and some guys are acting like we did something. We haven’t done anything.

Good to hear.

by archie2227 on Jan 4, 2012 10:01 PM CST reply actions  

+1

Joe Mauer grounded out to second
Bill Smith - Buy high, Hold high, Sell for a bag of chips

by GWST11 on Jan 4, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I loved that too

It’s all a growing process. You have to learn from your mistakes.

by Rodman99 on Jan 4, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

We must temper our frustration by remembering just how bad this team was last year. All of that can’t be fixed in one fell swoop.

"pokin' the animals at the Canis Hoopus zoo"

by pastyearsears on Jan 4, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

That was my first thought early in the game

Too bad. If they hadn’t given up 15 points, this could have been a nice win.

We should bring in more scrub big men; they make good curse fodder.

by dan_the_man on Jan 4, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

WAIVE WES!

Marney Gellner's number one fan.

by PurpleTears on Jan 4, 2012 10:04 PM CST reply actions  

OJ Mayo would look nice in a Timberwolf Jersey...

Then again, so would a guy like Jodie Meeks/Keith Bogans. With competent wing play, what are we, 5-1?

"Some people just want to watch the world burn"

by TwolfTom on Jan 4, 2012 10:04 PM CST reply actions  

Take another shot at Rudy

The Spanish backcourt would sure be fun to watch

"Some people just want to watch the world burn"

by TwolfTom on Jan 4, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

good grief

at this point I’m longing for Corey Brewer!

I miss Brew…and his goat.

Lob City? I prefer Skip-pass County.

by nodnarb on Jan 4, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

It would be great for the 3s, the screenings and the shoot and run, but

He’s starting a new life in Denver and it seems that his coach is giving him minutes and trust. His situation in Portland was worse than worst with Nate type of slow-motion play to fit Brandon Roy knee problems. He has taken his girlfriend (a former Miss Spain) to Denver, so it would be improbable for this year. Maybe for the next season, because he has a 1 year contract.

by LobosfromMadrid on Jan 4, 2012 10:30 PM CST up reply actions  

that's too bad

I don’t understand why we didn’t make a run at him when he wanted out of Portland. It was obvious it just wasn’t the right fit for him up there.

I keep thinking about a Kahn quote on how we need to have some patience for Wes, as he is the SG of the future. At what point does Kahn’s patience run dry? Unfortunately, I don’t think it will be until at least next midseason

"Some people just want to watch the world burn"

by TwolfTom on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

No he wasn't

Even before draft night people were asking what he offered that P. George or James Anderson didn’t. The main answer was that he was mature and would have the most immediate impact….. =(

by zebano on Jan 5, 2012 8:02 AM CST up reply actions  

He was “NBA-ready”

by nextmove on Jan 5, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

the worst signs for Wes are

that I’ve seen him many times this season to “hide” and not take his shots as he should. I remember a couple of free-form-defenders passes by Rubio and Ridnour that he returned to the PG while being in a comfortable situation for trying a 3 or a long range 2. If he’s afraid to shoot, we have very bad news form our SG.

by LobosfromMadrid on Jan 4, 2012 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Anybody heard from Rodney Carney?

A reluctance to pull the trigger was never amongst his faults… ;-)

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by SoDakHmr on Jan 4, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

If they ever acquire Rudy...

We would have a Miss Spain and a Miss Universe (Barea’s wife) here in Minneapolis.

by unidos_corremos on Jan 4, 2012 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed. Jaja.

I like the idea of supermodels spending their winters in Minnesota and not down in South Beach or L.A. I don’t know if us locals could handle all that heat!

by unidos_corremos on Jan 4, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Paris Hilton could try to be a sponsor of Ricky, she knows the business

Paris has some experience with spanish sportsmen. She sponsored last year the Blue Sense team of Motorbikes (125 cc.) and Maverick Viñales almost won the champs. The sponsor was with the famous disco Pacha-Ibiza and the party SuperMartxe. If we see Paris Hilton in one Wolves game, for sure she going to sponsor Ricky.

by LobosfromMadrid on Jan 4, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Even better

Is that Canis Hoopus (via PoorDick) is still listed as the sponsor for Jonny Flynn. It’s too perfect that the “You’re going to love Jonny Flynn” David Kahn quote is still there for the Houston fans to see.

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by nja700 on Jan 5, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

*Ahem*

While PD’s sponsorship of Rubio is pretty awesome, the Flynn sponsorship was someone else’s idea…

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by TimAllen on Jan 5, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahhh whoops

I remember somebody talking about sponsoring it a year or so ago. My humblest apologies, KevinLoveJefferson!

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by nja700 on Jan 5, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Mrs Stop-n-Pop put the kabosh on sponsoring the D-Thrill page

It would have been sponsored by “Power Forward Collectors Anonymous” (and a link to Hoopus, of course).

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by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 5, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Who does she want to sponsor?

Oh, what was that? Kids? College? What’s really important here?

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by Eric in Madison on Jan 5, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Saw that last night

Way to get on that PD

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by the Real Thor on Jan 5, 2012 1:31 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Can't wait till

Lee is ready to play. I want to see what he can do. Even if it is only back up lvl production will still be better then Wes at this point in time.

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by the Real Thor on Jan 5, 2012 1:34 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

These are the TWolves you're talking about

It’s entirely possible he’s some mutant combination of Wes and JFlynn who can both dribble off his feet and miss the pretties jump shot you ever done seen.

by zebano on Jan 5, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with the simplicity of the original post.

I just got home from the game and, despite some very entertaining moments, it was quite frustrating.

We need some way to score in the paint and some real shooters. I am a Tolliver fan in general but he really needed to shot at the end. Not getting a shot up at all was unforgivable.

The hustle was in and out all game. Great defense one trip, lay up for Conley the next.

If we would have had Mayo or Allen tonight we would have won.

by SlowBreak on Jan 4, 2012 10:04 PM CST reply actions  

Even though Tolliver made a huge mistake

I saw his face on the bench. He knew he was wrong.

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by GWST11 on Jan 4, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure that it actually is forgivable

He won’t make the same mistake twice.

by TO12 on Jan 4, 2012 10:09 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I forgive AT

For his hustle and all around heads up play. Tonight he seemed tentative shooting the ball.

I am also glad he is alive after being undercut and landing on his head.

by SlowBreak on Jan 4, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure how you call that being undercut

It was more trying to jump over someone and failing.

by zebano on Jan 5, 2012 8:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough

That’s just the way it is. Be thankful we have a team with promise. This game was within reach, even with all the mistakes from us. Turnovers are fixable, so are ft’s, talent isn’t.

We have a really good team. Go Wolves. Goodnight.

by TO12 on Jan 4, 2012 10:06 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

maybe

But then anything short of an all-time great champion isnt a ‘team.’

Most teams win titles with holes in their lineups. We are a team, sorry buddy.

by TO12 on Jan 5, 2012 7:20 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

To wit:

The Bulls three-peated with this guy at center.

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by Cynical Jason on Jan 5, 2012 7:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Beasley

7 of 17 from the free throw line this year. Absolutely pathetic

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by GWST11 on Jan 4, 2012 10:08 PM CST reply actions  

Honest question

How does a 17 win team have a letdown game? Do they believe their own hype? Tonight and the Bucks game were ridiculous. Just unacceptable. I’m a baseball fan first so I get schedule problems, but up and coming teams need to go all out every single game. Playing to the level of your opponents leads to a lot of losses.

by archie2227 on Jan 4, 2012 10:11 PM CST reply actions  

I have to agree..

the Milwaukee and Memphis games were not typical losses. The Wolves really did play about as badly as they could in these 2 games.

by bsg007 on Jan 5, 2012 3:18 AM CST up reply actions  

The wing issue is really bothering me.

And not just because the Wolves options are scrubs.

Is the team really just hoping that Webster comes back and is the answer? I certainly hope not, but that’s how it appears to have been played with the signing of Barea. They could have had Crawford (or somebody, anybody, I don’t know), but they picked up another point.

by RCollin on Jan 4, 2012 10:12 PM CST reply actions  

ummmmm

I don’t know if Barea has played pg on offense once yet

by TO12 on Jan 4, 2012 10:25 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

He's handled the ball quite a bit.

And I like what he brings. But it’s so hard watching the Wolves throw out guys like Wes and Ellington at the 2. The SG spot is just awful.

by RCollin on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

One other great thing Love is doing this year...

Letting other guys rebound. Which sounds silly because he still had 14 boards. Last year he really fought for every board, even from his own teammates. This year he is playing smarter and using his energy better. Beas had 10 boards and Darko had 8. All positive signs.

by Rodman99 on Jan 4, 2012 10:24 PM CST reply actions  

Its funny

I have seen several plays this year where his teammates have ripped rebounds out of his hands. Role reversal…

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 4, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow Tim, that's as negative as you get

It must have been ugly in person… offensive droughts and sloppy play

by Rodman99 on Jan 4, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Beasley was only -4 while he was on the court ;)

I like Beasley and at the 3 he’s really all we got. If I’m presented with a better option I’ll be game, but for now I like him. I understand he is struggling to produce quality basketball minutes, but his overall game has indeed improved but oddly his scoring has been remarkably inefficient even by his standards

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by VoodooMagic on Jan 4, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

What do you like about Beasley? Other than rebounding, what exactly did Beasley

give the Wolves down the stretch that Williams could not have done (and I think Williams could’ve gotten those boards, too)?

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by TimAllen on Jan 4, 2012 10:31 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

He had a couple of nice drives

And the put back dunk. But I hear ya.

by Rodman99 on Jan 4, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I really really like Williams too

In theory I really like the way Beasley plays when he plays well. Gotta nice compliment of moves and shots that he has shown, and when he is engaged he is a tough player to stop. I really like the fact it looks like he is buying into Adleman…or at least recognizes the hammer he carries, and I like the fact he plays hard.

I can’t give you any numbers for fact based stuff that I like, but he’s got a skill set that is pretty sweet. Really hope he can turn it all around, but maybe he can’t, maybe he won’t.

Williams is great, I love him, I’d be fine too with him getting those minutes….It is a little interesting that Adleman is not playing him….but I loved the pick, I think he can play with Love. He produces like crazy with the little time he gets….he’s an offensive machine I’m A-OK giving him Beasley’s minutes if that’s what happens

I don't know what an art house is, I don't know what goes on in an art house, I have never been in an art house, and I can't imagine it's any place I ever want to be.

by VoodooMagic on Jan 4, 2012 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Beas can play the 3.

if we move KLove to the 5, and but Williams at the 4, who takes Beas’ spot? DWill can’t play the 3. at least not this year.

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by the Real Thor on Jan 4, 2012 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

There are

I’m convinced that there is someone who could do a reasonable impression of Tony Allen (well, maybe not tonight’s Tony Allen, but you get the point) who is readily available.

The thing is, that’s been true for the past 5 years, and they still haven’t bothered to find that guy.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Jan 4, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't find him if they aren't looking, I guess.

Given the hurried offseason, I would think this would be the best market in a while in terms of undrafted players and undiscovered talented

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by TimAllen on Jan 4, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Come to think of it

I can’t remember any recent activity for this franchise on the D-League front.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Sundiata Gains

didn’t he come from the D-League?

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by the Real Thor on Jan 4, 2012 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

We signed and then waived Greg Stietsma...

Who is now a rotation player for the Celtics

The artist formally known as Shane Heal, but FORMERLY known as Blakeley

by Shane Heal on Jan 5, 2012 7:03 AM CST up reply actions  

he didn't look good running the floor

Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
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by littleboxes on Jan 5, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

DWill will play the 3 this year

He needs some games under his belt fist.

by Rodman99 on Jan 4, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Not according to

Adelmann

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by the Real Thor on Jan 4, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Think he said he'll start out at the 4 because it's simpler

Later I’m guessing he’s gonna want him on the floor more and will put him there. Just a hunch.

by Rodman99 on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

he will never play 3

Just cause you say it, doesn’t mean it will happen. Dwill is huge, he’s a 4 or a 5.

Sorry folks, been saying that since before the draft, but now it’s just too obvious to let everyone keep saying it.

by TO12 on Jan 5, 2012 7:28 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Turnovers?

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 4, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

True

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by TimAllen on Jan 4, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Except

DWill does not take min away from Beas no matter how meny min he plays. I agree though, that if they want a crunch time scorer, at this point in time, DWill probably makes more sense then Beas.

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by the Real Thor on Jan 5, 2012 11:49 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

He rebounded well and played some solid d

But the boneheaded plays, and forcing shots early, pretty much cancel that out.

He has to learn to go glass in close. He will be unstoppable if he finished better (I know, duh).

It seems like he doesn’t know what to do yet in the offense and falls back to his iso ball hogging.

by Rodman99 on Jan 4, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

What scares me is that this is his 4th year in the league...

and he still hasn’t learned what his game is or how to maximize his talent. I just don’t know if he ever will…

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by SoDakHmr on Jan 4, 2012 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

He's an expiring contract and a roster slot for the moment.

I hope for more, but if you are hesitant to pay a player their QO you shouldn’t. Sixty more games…

600 N First Ave "like a Pirate's cove".

by Airete on Jan 4, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll end my night with some positives

-We fought back from some big holes to get close
-We had a chance at the end though we were down by 7 late
-Ricky was amazing burying a stone cold killer 3 at the end and finishing with 12 pts, 11 assists
-Love continues to wow
-Positive signs on D (most of the time)
-Adelman is the man

by Rodman99 on Jan 4, 2012 10:28 PM CST reply actions  

The Post Game show

is horrible. That Kevin Lynch, blatantly blames Beasley, as well as Jim Petersen (imo is terrible as well) for the loss. I like Hanny, fire the other two. theyre fucking horrible.

by Johnny Pithan on Jan 4, 2012 10:36 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

And so does Rubio and Wes and Luke and Tolliver....

Basically anyone not named Love. And even he had a sub-par game…which is insane, isn’t it?

(only replying cause that shouldn’t have a rec.)

by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 5, 2012 1:05 AM CST up reply actions  

lmao u like hanny but not jim pete

hanny is the slowest play-by-play person in the history of sportscasting

by illwafer on Jan 4, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Jim

But he can be a bit of a tool at times. Gets stuck in his biases.

I miss Trent Tucker. He’s one of my all time favorite.

by Rodman99 on Jan 4, 2012 10:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Harlan-Tucker

best Wolves broadcasting team ever

by nextmove on Jan 5, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

J-Pete was literally telling him what to say

I know he was joking, but it didn’t bother be to hear J-Pete bossing Hanny around. He can be a bit of a doofus.

Gary, you didn't kill your brother. Those gorillas did.

by nja700 on Jan 4, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Jim Pete is amazing

Hanniman, while I don’t hate him, he’s a huge homer. Jim Pete at least says whatever is on his mind.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 4, 2012 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm a big Jim Pete fan

He’s obviously pulling for the Wolves, but he doesn’t sugarcoat everything. His open disdain last year for Darko and Flynn was pretty hilarious.

I think he tends to like Beasley though… and I do too. I can’t help but like him and root for him, despite all his warts.

by Dumbhead62 on Jan 4, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

J-Pete is great

Listening to so many of the other announcing teams via league pass made me appreciate ours. Love both Hanny and J-Pete.

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by Black Jack Davy on Jan 5, 2012 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Hanny is to much of a homer to me..

and his inflection seems forced and misplaced at times. I suppose all announcers are like that, but Hanny annoys me more than most. JPete is good, but he seems a bit more “homerish” to me this year.

by bsg007 on Jan 5, 2012 3:21 AM CST up reply actions  

True.

The Spurs game was horrible. Hardly heard anything about the Wolves, it was all “Tim, Manu, Tony” etc, and the exceptionally annoying “Timmy” about once a minute.

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by JonesTheCat on Jan 5, 2012 8:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

yall need ta fall back on de J Pete hate

i fux wit both J pete and Hanny dem some trill azz dudes dont be talkin down on dem

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by MAYNHOLUP on Jan 5, 2012 8:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I've got no problem with Hanny and JPete

I’m talking about the Spurs announcers.

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by JonesTheCat on Jan 5, 2012 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Enough "No Look"!

Anyone else notice that Hanny has conspicuously overused the term “no look” ever since Ricky started dropping dazzling dimes? Every pass is a no-look pass, even when it is not. I even heard him refer to something other than a pass as “no look” the other night (don’t remember exactly what it was).

Darko no-look fumbled that rebound! Wes no-look clanked that jumper! Randolph no-look scratched his balls!

Enough, Hanny. We know you are excited, but switch to decaf, pal.

by jaimcc on Jan 5, 2012 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

???

You hadn’t noticed that Hanny has a working basketball vocabulary of less than two dozen words? Each season he adds one or two new words and “no look” is his phrase du rubio.

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by TMiss on Jan 6, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Has anyone noticed

That Sportscenter tends to list their NBA coverage on the left side like this these days

-Cleveland vs. Toronto
-Bulls/Pistons
-PHX/DAL
-RIcky Rubio highlights

Seriously.

(Also, this was the first NBA game I’ve ever seen live! Disappointing loss but we earned it with the way we played out there.)

by Dark_Aardvark on Jan 4, 2012 10:39 PM CST reply actions  

i think beas should mainly be a post player, that Spurs game he was awesome

when hes on the perimeter he makes terrible decisions and cant create good shots

by monro on Jan 4, 2012 10:40 PM CST reply actions  

then gets stripped and loses the ball

or gets to the foul and miss both free throws. Sigh…

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by GWST11 on Jan 4, 2012 10:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly. Rubio, JJ and our yet-to-be-acquired SG should be the only ones

consistently driving to the rim. Beasley has had maybe three good drives total this season that resulted in 2 points (either off the bucket or from FTs).

by mg7505 on Jan 4, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder

how many games Beasley plays while high.

by TheeJohnnyP on Jan 4, 2012 10:55 PM CST reply actions  

Absolutely none

unless you think he’s smoking in the locker room.

Pot is not this team’s problem.

What's wrong with the NBA is what's wrong with the USA: too much respect for superstars and not enough for working class heroes.

by TMiss on Jan 5, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

and therein lies the problem

… state dependent learning says he would play better if he was stoned

by midlife crisis on Jan 5, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Play Luke at SG?

Why not start Rubio-Luke-Beas (or Tolliver)-Love-Darko?

Luke has had an absurdly good start to the year (0.183 WS/48). Why not just start him and Ricky together instead of waiting until the 4th quarter to do so. With all the PnR we run, having two good PnR point guards should work well enough.

Only problem is against teams with big or good SGs, but as been pointed out, that is lacking in the game currently. If the Clippers can get away with starting CP3 and Chauncey’s corpse, why can’t we give it a shot?

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by TwolfTom on Jan 4, 2012 10:58 PM CST reply actions  

I think this is where things are headed without importing some wing help

On the team as currently constructed, Rubio,Ridnour, and Barea all need minutes—we’re just not deep enough for another configuration to be successful.

by WolvesFan03 on Jan 4, 2012 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Because Rubio defers to Luke when they play together

And as much as I like Luke’s shooting, he’s not a really smart player…

by Simitar on Jan 4, 2012 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t really agree. Based on what I’ve seen, Rubio almost always starts off possessions with a pick and roll, and only after that doesn’t work does he pass it to Ridnour to go off his own pick.

And what do you mean by smart player? In looking at other options, he is certainly smarter than any of the other options (Wes/Wayne) and a MUCH better shooter.

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by TwolfTom on Jan 4, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Seems like RR reverts back to his Spanish league days – Ricky, Luke Ridnour is no Juan Carlos Navarro…

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by SoDakHmr on Jan 4, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Luke needs to pass the ball back quickly to Ricky or an opened player, not try to be "creative"

When Barea and Ricky played together they moved the ball, passed it quickly,… When Luke gets the ball he never returns it back to Ricky. Someone has to tell him that he’s playing the SG role there.

by LobosfromMadrid on Jan 4, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

It’s almost as if Luke has got a mental block with this – I don’t think he’s a grudge/resentful/jealous type. But, again, he’s a 30 yr old vet – he should know his game and limitations by now.

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by SoDakHmr on Jan 4, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I would start RR-Luke-AT-Love-Darko

Almost immediately after tip shift Love to the 5, sub DWill in with AR the first big back off the bench to get playing time conditionally, Beas backs up the 3 and JJ backs up the 1/2. Darko plays when you really need a big defensive presence. No one else sees the floor. When Martell gets back he hopefully starts at the 3 and pushes Tolliver back into his scrappy backup the 3-4-5 spot pushing Beasley and AR off the floor unless we need instant offense and JJ isn’t delivering.

by zebano on Jan 5, 2012 8:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Poor use of possessions

Turnovers, yes, but also too many shots/possessions used by Beasley, Darko, Wes, and Wayne. Gotta find a way to have more of those possessions being used by better players, even if it’s not Love/Rubio.

Wolves need Barea back to play more at SG. Honestly, 34 minutes for Wes/Wayne combined is still too much—they are a black hole of suck.

by WolvesFan03 on Jan 4, 2012 10:59 PM CST reply actions  

Was at the game

Just sloppy play overall killed us. Missed FTs, stupid TOs, etc. Basically everything that kills us whenever we lose.

I don’t feel that bad about this loss, though, because we saw some great play from Rubio again (and some bad play of course).

Weird game to say the least.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 4, 2012 11:08 PM CST reply actions  

weird game indeed

Like how they battled back. Tough loss to swallow around these parts, but there were some good things that happened again.

by TO12 on Jan 5, 2012 7:31 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Watched on TV

and agree with many of the other comments.

Wolves deserved to lose this game. Looks like they came in thinking they could sleepwalk their way to a W.

Hollins always seems to get his team to play good, hard, aggressive defense. They seem to steal it at will from the Wolves, and those turnovers lead to easy baskets the other way.

The Wolves really have very few players I trust passing the ball or trying to create a shot. Whenever someone besides Rubio tries to pass I get nervous – even Luke.

Wolves have some guys like Tolliver who are good players but they are playing and doing too much.

How long do we have to wait for an above average SG, SF, or both? Someone who can score efficiently during the dry spells, play some D, and not turn the ball over?

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by Wile E Coyote on Jan 4, 2012 11:44 PM CST reply actions  

The constant layups and easy putbacks we gave up

for awhile there where even worse than the turnovers…. please

by zebano on Jan 5, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Can Beas run a pnr?

He looks lost out there when Ricky’s on the floor. Correct me if I’m mistaken, but it really looked to me that he can’t effectively run a pick and roll. He can set a flimsy pick and pop, but who can’t? Love ‘gets’ Rubio, so does Tolliver, so does Williams. Beas just doesn’t. He’s only effective with him in transition.

We’ve all talked about how poorly Beas played (and then some poor sap will mention his D or his double double on 5-16 shooting for 11 points with 5 turnovers), his maturity issues, his potential, blah blah blah. But the more I watch him play, the more he think he has systemic issues with his game that cannot be overcome, namely 1) he sucks at the PnR (that’s a problem an Adelman/Rubio team); 2) he’s no good at finishing layups when getting contact; 3) preference for the long two doesn’t seem to be changing; 4) overall focus issues which surface in every game.

If he can’t run a pick and roll well and if he can’t take it to the hoop with contact, then we got us a guy shooting long twos who should be shooting long threes (and that might be the only thing he’s good at). Because of his FGAs, I think he’s the most detrimental player we have, moreso than Wes.

by monkeywolf on Jan 4, 2012 11:51 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

I admit that I have been a Beasley apologist..

and I have referred to his maturity issues, previous coaching, etc., to suggest he is not worth giving up on. I was encouraged by his offensive approach in the Dallas and SA games, and then he regressed in the Memphis game. You make an excellent point about his inability to play the PnR, but aside from the Memphis game, he was driving to the basket frequently and making reasonable decisions. I’m not going to vacillate, and I’m going to stick with my original sentiment which is that I want to see what happens with Beasley after RA has had around 20-30 games with him. If he is still playing like he did against Memphis I will hop off the Beasley train, but I’m just not there yet. I feel the same way to some extent about Darko and AR, but I can’t say the same about Wes.

by bsg007 on Jan 5, 2012 3:28 AM CST up reply actions  

just finished the grades after getting back from the game

I was a little bit more positive than some of you guys are, but it was hard to watch. Tough game.

Pek apologist

by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 AM CST reply actions  

This, this right here

Its got to be so distracting for him as well as the team when this happens. And it only seems to be one section of the arena that does it, as well.

by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 5, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

you want a cheap and Good 3?

Just pick Rudy from Denver, check youtube vids with Rudy and Ricky playing together with DKV Joventut and tell me what you think…

by Spanishwolf on Jan 5, 2012 4:45 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Rudy isn't a 3

He played years for the blazers… hes way to small to be a real 3. hes a pure 2 and thats all he will be… but to be fair he probably would be a better 2 for you then the ones you currently have. So it might be worth pickin ghim up for that role.

by Kazper on Jan 5, 2012 4:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Isn't he a free agent after this year?

I’m completely fine waiting until the offseason and having Ricky personally present him with an offer.

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by HumdingerTV on Jan 5, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

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by HumdingerTV on Jan 5, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I would expect Denver to match most offers.

It’s worth looking into though.

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by Airete on Jan 5, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Last night was the night

That I finally lost faith in Beasley. He is clearly trying to look to pass it and be a team player, but he literally lacks the mechanics of passing properly. His passes don’t go where he wants them at all and just lead to a ton of TO’s. He can’t fit into the role we all wanted of him, because he simply lacks the skills to do anything except try to iso his guy. Not a great spot-up shooter, not a great dribbler, horrible passer, lots of TO’s, bad defense, the list goes on.

Can someone seriously tell me what skills they see in him that they really think can or are valuable to us?

by Doctor_Teh on Jan 5, 2012 10:47 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed

Clearly Adelman sees something there though. He is getting huge minutes even though he has been absolutely terrible so far this year in every possible way.

by Vlade on Jan 5, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Adelman may be giving him rope

When your alternatives are Wes Johnson and Tolliver who is already getting 20mpg you have to give it a shot. I would prefer AT get 30mpg but it’s not unreasonable to let Beas give it a go until Martel is back.

by zebano on Jan 5, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

There's been so much transition in the team

… I think he’s trying to change things slowly. This is still the first year. Plus, with barea down, between the 2 and 3 he has zero plus players. In fact, I count two players who have more positive nights than negative ones.
For Beasley, I think Adelman looks at the players that need to be replaced and feels he either has the best chance of turning into a non-bench player, or the best chance of showing enough to be trade bait.
Right now I lean toward the first because he’s playing himself out of “trade bait”

by midlife crisis on Jan 5, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

He's got the physical tools, wants to be here, is trying from all accounts and is a bit of a gym rat.

He’s the best we have for a wing with a usage rate over about 15…we need help here and I’m pretty sure everyone knows it.

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by Airete on Jan 5, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

The Wing Situation is Terrible

But it was stunning to me that Adelman kept Beasley out there in the first quarter when he and Wes were pretty much single-handedly shooting us out of the game.

If Adelman wants to keep Beas out there for big minutes because we have no one else, that’s fine, but we actually have some other guys who can score this year and create off the dribble. Beas needs to be told to stop forcing things (i.e. the Darko treatment).

by Vlade on Jan 5, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll feel a little better when JJ and Martell are back...

JJ is good. He can create his own shot. We needed someone in the 1st quarter to do something. Maybe he’ll help.

Martell is a pure mystery given his lack of availability.

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by ChicagoViking on Jan 5, 2012 12:49 PM CST reply actions  

Love and Rubio in crunch time

These are the two guys I trust in the crunch. Neither afraid. Both good.

But, we really do lack a wing to break down a team on his own when we need a bucket. Rudy Gay was great last night. We have nothing close.

JJ may be closest.

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by ChicagoViking on Jan 5, 2012 12:51 PM CST reply actions  

Wolves are #1 in Opp FT%

Opposing teams are hitting 82% of their FTs against us.

We have a 69% average, good for 27th in the league.

We should benefit as this stat normalizes but not before blowing 4 games that were well within reach.

by Mark Blunt on Jan 5, 2012 1:45 PM CST reply actions  

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