Road to 61-5, pt. 2--second half thread
by Stop-n-Pop on Jan 8, 2012 1:07 PM CST
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Rubioooooo
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
Knowing what we know now...
Would you rather have Rubio or Wall? No strings attached.
by Luis Rivas on Jan 8, 2012 1:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Rubio is outplaying Wall in every facet today
You gotta pay the troll toll, to get into this boy's soul.
twitter.com/JayAreW
Rubio. I like my PG to pass with the ability to score. Not vice versa. That’s why they’re out there. Wall is the poor man’s Rose, anyway. Rubio is the dreamer’s unicorn.
I have been impressed with his defense today
He’s active, sliding around, having human cannonball John Wall smash into him and getting right back up.
Rubio
And it’s not really that close….
www.unleashkevinlove.com
by erikanthony on Jan 8, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Not until Darko gets back out there
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Flip hasn't been to keen on Rubio during KFAN interviews
Never predicted that he will be a bust or anything, but he didn’t seem impressed. Kinda funny
On who Ricky Rubio reminds him of:
"If you have to compare him to someone, you compare him to Jason Williams. Jason came in, same type of player. When he was in Sacramento, spectacular passer, really initiate things; Jason was probably actually a better defender than Rubio is, but Rubio is only 18, Jason came in 21, 22. He’s gonna be a good player in this league. One thing he can do, he’s a phenomenal passer in the open floor, that’s one thing he can really do."
I heard the J-Will thing alot
Easy comparison with the fancy plays, Rubio can be so much more though.
Of course that is a 3 year old interview.
Ricky is 21 now.
This game is getting out of hand
Time to put the starters back in and make this game interesting
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
by Action on Jan 8, 2012 1:16 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Williams needs to start
He can be a beast
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
5,4,3,2,1.....
Now!
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Do the coaches still think Ridnour
is better than Ricky?
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
game on!
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Great possession
to start with no Ricky. Wayne forces a terrible shot.
Gift foul
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
Luuuuke!
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Another TO!
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
A foul on Darko!
Better sit him down
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
This team would be better if Beasley was coaching
And he played Ricky 40 min a game. Simple as that.
And another!!!!
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Starters are doing their thing
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
And Another!!!!!!
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Wall turning up the defense
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 8, 2012 1:25 PM CST reply actions
Waaaaaaaayne
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
For god's sake
I trusted Adelman up to this point. But this is now ridiculous. This line up cannot start NBA games. It is a joke.
Wow, for a point guard Ridnour's court vision is soo bad
Can’t believe my fort post on CH is to bash Ridnour!
by bluedevil_unicorno on Jan 8, 2012 1:26 PM CST reply actions
Thank God
We’re playing a team more careless than us
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
No, JPete....
…“The Wolves” haven’t recovered from their mistakes, “Ricky has saved us” from the holes dug by others.
and he's o for the season
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
First FTs on the year for johnson?
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
Wes actually went into the paint.
He even drew a foul. Oh my god, the Mayans were right.
by Malastare on Jan 8, 2012 1:28 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
No he didn't
That was a terrible charge
by SirLusciousLeftFoot on Jan 8, 2012 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
I don't wish injury on anyone, but
man did I get excited that Wes could be hurt there.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 8, 2012 1:28 PM CST reply actions
Wes hit a free throw!
Too hot to handle, too cold to hold
They're called the Ghostbusters and they're in control
There are really two distinct Timberwolves teams
The unwatchable iteration when Rubio isn’t playing and the joy to watch Rubio version
by Ailuridae on Jan 8, 2012 1:28 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I think both Darko and Wes almost died
if, for a split second, I didn’t care whatsoever, does that make me a terrible person?
This 5 minutes has set basketball back decades
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
Thankfully the Celtics-Pacers game
already took care of that
Wayne ellington has the worst game in the league
by Ray Williams? on Jan 8, 2012 1:29 PM CST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
Yea I mean he makes 3’s that’s about it.
by MychalShannon1 on Jan 8, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Clank!
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
If this is an example of RA giving the starters enough rope
someone better call the sisal factory and tell them to ramp up production!
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
by Dogpile on Jan 8, 2012 1:30 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Can the starters give the rope back
so RA can beat them with it?
Get the scrubs back in!
before the “starters” give it all away!
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Honestly I'm so not impressed with this bit he's pulling.
I’m taking time out of my day to watch this shit and I want to see them try to win.
YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.
by fanslaststand on Jan 8, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
we do have a back to back to back coming up
And play 66 games in 120some days. You can’t really have a 7-8 man roto
by TO12 on Jan 8, 2012 1:33 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
this
Pek apologist
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 8, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Look at all the empty seats
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Bad team plays worse team
Exciting
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Hilarious, more than anything
Comedy of errors is an understatement – both in terms of comedy and errors.
by mg7505 on Jan 8, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Rubio will be out of gas the last 3 minutes.
by fanslaststand on Jan 8, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
look at rubio's +/- for the first half...
at least in this game we could have been up by 20 at this point instead of clinging to a lead by our fingernails.
When I saw Wes isolated with the ball,
I knew something bad would happen. And it did. He did a crap pass that almost got picked off.
We got a really thin bench
in RA’s defense, who should he start and who should he finish with? I’d much rather have him start with darko, Luke and Wes so long as he ends with Rubio and Williams.
Why is Darko playing?
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
TIC, TAC, TIC,... the 3th quarter damnation
I’ve seen that film before. 3th quarter= no Ricky and the starters playing losing the gap of points every minute. When there are 3 minutes to go to the 4th, Ricky and DWill appear trying to revert the situation.
too fucking late.
we could have ended this team.
by fanslaststand on Jan 8, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Looooooooooke!
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
White men can't jump
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
But some of them sure can
throw the ball to black guys – and those dudes can jump out of the f’ing gym!
by mg7505 on Jan 8, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Big shot, Luke
Needed that there.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 8, 2012 1:34 PM CST reply actions
Even a good thing
turns out bad
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Darko getting an awful foul,
raising his hand, and getting high-fives when he goes to the bench has to be the most hilariously sad thing I have ever seen.
Opposing players really get pissed at Rubio.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 8, 2012 1:36 PM CST reply actions
I think they were more pissed that love got to the line by grabbing a guys arm and jumping
by Ray Williams? on Jan 8, 2012 1:37 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Do you sometimes wonder if he's a surprisingly vicious trsh talker?
Like Drazen Petrovic – you can’t understand him, but he still never shuts up.
No, they just wanna stick it to the media darling.
And then they get madder when they realize it’s not so easy.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 8, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Love for MVP!
Ricky for ROY!
Can’t wait til the all star game
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Typical, a game at a decent time and I miss the start.
Now watching, sans volume.
How do we look?
Live And Stupid From England
The starters look the same as always
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
bad, but the Wizards look worse..
Rubio with an amazing game though.. potential triple double
bored? complacent? anyother adjective for lackadaisical you can think off.
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
Ask a Wizards fan
If there’s anybody on their team they wouldn’t give up to get love….and wait for the chirping crickets.
www.unleashkevinlove.com
Deriiiiiiiiiiick!!!!
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
I seriously don't get what some folks are arguing for on rotations
There is not one serviceable available wing on this team. Rubio can’t play 48 minutes. Ridenour is the only other possible PG. Yes, it sucks, but that’s what is on the bench.
What does Beasley offer that Williams doesn't
or for that matter Tolliver?
A lot of nothing
Our lack of wing options is not a function of Beasley being out
Well Adelman is unwilling to use the two best SF options
in Tolliver and Williams in favor of players who are demonstrably bad
ya Adelman sucks
The ch braintrust would be much more suited to coach the wolves
by TO12 on Jan 8, 2012 1:47 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
I hope your kidding about this.
Adelman is awesome. It is only eight games in and they play more defense then they did in the last two years combined.
Of course I am
The critisism of who he starts and who he plays is amaxing to me. One of the best coaches in the league.
Guess I'm just tired of square pegs and round holes
let’s get some guys who are actually suited for what we’ll ask them to do
yeah, exactly
we have 9 players. Randolpd, Wayne, and Wes are 3 of them.
Math is hard
He who rides a wolf cannot dismount.
If Rubio started, he could have a break then come back in for crunch time
Y’know, like a star player, which he obviously is.
So what happens when..
..Luke, Wayne, Wes, Williams, and Tolliver share the floor?
He who rides a wolf cannot dismount.
Without Beasley jacking up bricks and stopping the offense
I love our chances!!!
rest Beas, Rest
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Wiliammmmmmmmsssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
DWILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
Ricky....Williams.....
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
It might not be a bad idea to start Williams at the 3.
The second team could use some scoring. Rubio and Beasley would be enough, even better when Barea is back.
Its been a long time...
….since i watched the timberwolves over the NFL playoffs.. must be the black unis
by mr.right on Jan 8, 2012 1:41 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Giants are gonna win that game again the Falcons.
by MychalShannon1 on Jan 8, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
I wanna know what Rubio's first word was for a change!!!
by bluedevil_unicorno on Jan 8, 2012 1:41 PM CST reply actions
Why not? one word
Darko
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Gotta like that Blatche
Lining up that foul
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I'd hate
being a Wiz fan.
They are awful and don’t seem to care.
Ok, I like Booker, that’s it
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Can Rubio just play all 48 minutes?
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Can't wait for JJ
Will make the non-Rubio time a little less painful
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Got a foul going to the hoop, then took a nice jumper on the free throw line.
Live And Stupid From England
He's had a very nice game.
Playing solid defense and making open shots.
You know if the Wizards get the first pick....
Which they probably will. John Wall and Anthony Davis would be scary together.
John Wall
I agree with crew — K. Irving better. So, is Rubio.
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Well there was a whole lot to indicate
that Wall wasn’t a franchise level talent going into that draft. That evidence was ignored but still
come on guys..
it’s still early for Wall and his teammates aren’t doing him any favors
kind of like writing of Adelman already
by TO12 on Jan 8, 2012 1:53 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I was just about to say nobody is doing that..
I think people are just frustrated with the rotations, but trust completely in RA
maybe writing off is too harsh
But you can all read the comments. Start him, sit him, use this rotation… It’s like holy cow, you’d think Rambis was still out there
by TO12 on Jan 8, 2012 2:19 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Ah. I missed your sarcasm earlier and replied to you.
I am glad you agree.
Plus how can you completely trust Adelman but also be frustrated by his rotations
That sounds like an oxymoron. If you trust him, you trust his rotations are being used for a reason. Be it, keeping talent on the second unit, cohesiveness, or just to evaluate our holes since we didn’t have a training camp of much of a preseason.
TO12.. people are just frustrated.. that's all.. it's not an oxymoron.. you can know something sucks, but it might be necessary..
doesn’t mean you have to be happy about it
This is pretty much how I feel
Our rotations look bad, and are annoying, but I’m willing to accept that there’s a reason for them.
Lol
Well, I guess we just see it different. I just don’t see were it makes sense to criticize what he has done so far. He has the track record to back everything up. As far as coaching goes, they seems to be much to great of an outcry about what he has been doing.
I'm seeing lots of comments about rotations and starters
If that’s what you mean.
Oh noes!
Comments about rotations!!! You’re doing a lot of pearl clutching about some fairly pedestrian comments.
I trust Adelman over people on a forum
Pek apologist
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 8, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
I was just confused with your "put all your trust in Adelman" thing
For all of the incompetence we’ve had, I’m ready to throw my hat in the ring with Adelman.
Pek apologist
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 8, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Where's Flip
and his ticks?
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Was that a steal or a rebound for KLove?
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
air ball, rebound
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
thought so
funny it’s called a rebound when it doesn’t bounce off of anything
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
that is an excellent point
Pek apologist
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 8, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
I have my moments
I’m like the Ellington of posters
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
maybe they should call it a beasle
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Oh wow,
That was an absolutely awful shot by Rubio
That's actually a shot that basketball players practice every day. For some reason not a lot
make them during the games
by bluedevil_unicorno on Jan 8, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
A PG taking a long two point jump shot
early in a shot clock in transition is simply awful
can you imagine this team without Ricky and DWill?
Oh.. wait…
by bsg007 on Jan 8, 2012 1:49 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Better not piss this away...
… against the Wiz
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clever
Pek apologist
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 8, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Amazing how much better we play
when Beasle sits
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
amazing how much better we play
when we play the worst team in the league
Pek apologist
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 8, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
12 assists in 18 min
If he plays the whole fourth qtr, he’ll get 20 at that pace…
Of course, I hope we get to see scrub (starter) time…
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This is sort of a must win game
Most winnable game of a back-back-back that ends w/ Chicago.
And we need a win like nobody’s biznass.
Should have rolled out the 7 man rotation playoff style for this one.
It's back to being the most watchable team
on league pass
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
How is that a block?
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
can we just pay the man already..
what’s with the suspense?
They better hurry that’s all I know or else he’s gonna starting thinking about free agency.
by MychalShannon1 on Jan 8, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Love got an assist??!?!?!?
MVP
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
When AT is shooting well...
I’m thinking W.
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anoth assist for ricky...13
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Luke is a freaking walking turnstile on defense..
I really don’t like Luke
Fantastic.
This just shows how pixelated my League Pass is.
6 looks identical to 8. BRILLIANT.
Live And Stupid From England
Not to look ahead, but...
3-5 after today. Gotta beat the Rap for 4-5 because the Bullls may be best in league
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But we are getting better
We play well against the good teams
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Plus no Beasle
So we have a chance to go 3-0
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
come on love 2 more points
to keep the 20-12 streak alive
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
any chance someone gives us a 15-30 first round pick for Luke..
if I could get it in the 2012 draft and JJ is healthy, I do it right now
If there is a God
we are actively pursuing a trade for any serviceable 2 anywhere!
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
There are plenty of serviceable twos
that are deep on NBA benches and in the D league. It is that Kahn doesnt see the problem
I honestly can't believe they didn't address it this off-season
our wing play was historically awful last season
I think RA is still evaluating due to the fact he wasn't around..
I think the day of reckoning is coming soon.
I suppose that one could argue that more time was needed to evaluate
Wes and Wayne and Beasley and Webster but they were so very bad last season I don’t think much of that explanation
yeah, but I think RA considers himself a better coach than Rambis and felt he could get something more..
from these guys. So I’m guessing he wanted time, and I can’t say I blame him.
RUMINT has it they really wanted Crawford...
….and that RJ tried to make it happen but they couldn’t move enough around to clear up the cap space.
Me too
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 8, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
They didn't evaluate him that highly
He only got two years, ten million. And the Wolves easily could have amnestied someone if they really wanted Webster.http://www.canishoopus.com/2012/1/8/2691885/road-to-61-5-pt-2-second-half-thread#
By Webster
I mean Crawford. Could have dumped Webster.
They tried to get Crawford.
Got J.J., who is essentially a mini- SG.
And I think they are waiting on Martell.
Should have done more, but they didn’t do nothing at least, which shows they are aware of the problem.
True
Plus JJ is more gritty, more of a leader. Crawford is more traditional, but I’m not so sure how he helps a young, disjointed team like the Wolves (or Wizards).
Biggest thing about JJ
is his playoff experience. I hate to spout the “he’s a winner” crap, but there is something to be said for knowing how a winning team conducts itself on and off the court – between him, Adelman, Williams and Rubio, that’s a big change in the culture of this team.
I believe that
As much as Crawford’s ‘talents’ would be needed on this team, there are quite a few players I would like ahead of him. And that’s not to say his is a bad guy, but just he is a volume scorer that doesn’t do the dirty work that we really need on this team.
Glad Luke made it
was so surprised by the play he almost missed
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Luke does a ricky shot
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Ricky is like the new toy you just bought that as you're playing with..
you keep finding new things it can do, and it makes you even happier you bought it
either that
or a dildoe
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17 point lead!
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19
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
I think they were expecting their first win..
the Wolves looked like crap the last two games
ouuuuuuuuuu!!!!!
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Ridnour
Doesn’t it seem like he copies Rubio’s moves. He’s been throwing crazier passes this year. He just did the pass fake to layup. It’s like he’s a different shoot-first PG that doesn’t play defense.
20-12!!!!!!!!
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Refs must feel sorry for Wiz
AT was pushed on that score
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Love wanted that dunk bad.
Nice dunk too.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 8, 2012 2:02 PM CST reply actions
Wait til he gets to 30-20
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Can this game get Flip fired?
Wiz are truly awful. I like Flip, but someone always has to pay — Blowout loss to a struggling Wolves team at home.
C’mon man
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Put Pek out there!
I could use a good laugh. Plus, I want someone to punch Blatche in the face
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Flip and Wittless!!!!!
No wonder they suck!
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Bulls fan here
This Wolves team is legit! I’ve watched all your guys’ games and you really only looked bad against Cleveland. Pretty brutal schedule you guys have had, I think that w column is gonna be filling up fast!
thanks for the kind words..
but I think we looked like shit against Memphis and Milwaukee as well.
Yes
We played 3 out of 7 bad games
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Well... we are blowing out a crappy team by twenty on the road
I mean, crappy, yes, but there are worse results to get.
It is against the Wiz, but...
Wolves playing well
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
appreciate your enthusiasm, but I don't think this win helps us believe
that we will be scaring you guys too much on Monday. This is the Wiz we’re beating at the moment.
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
it shows you how bad this team really was without Ricky and Dwill last year..
my eyes are still recovering from last year
I hate those early season colds %
hope yours gets better, cough!
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
Pull Rubio/Love
Don’t want to see a turned ankle
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Agreed
This is stat-padding at this point.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 8, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Put Darko back in
Maybe he’ll turn one
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4 more boards
for a triple double
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
annoying as the double double streak
was last year, I’m going to gouge my eyes and ears out if we keep doing this 20-12 thing
Trevor Booker is a nice player
and McGee is a fine player and then the rest of that Wizards roster is really problematic
the wolves are good at drafting 6'8
PFs in the second round. Come to think of it, they are good at doing it in the first rd too.
to say the least
even Wall looks talented but bad
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
he's giving him a breather
Pek apologist
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 8, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Because the unicorn is taking his spot
I wish so bad luke was tall and could play defense…
I think Luke resents Rubio.
He does not give him the ball. Then he airballs a 3. Horrible.
ugh that was terrible basketball
everyone was just running down and chucking up 3s on both sides
and i missed a touchdown
man i suck at handling the remote
SnP.. you don't think Darko could at least be serviceable?
He has played reasonably every game except this one this season.
yes, but this is why I asked..
did you not think his first seven games he gave the Wolves enough at the C position? Not great, but not awful.
can he be serviceable under RA?
His WS/48 is over .1 this year.
fair point, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt..
which is to say I would prioritize finding a 2 over a 5 at this point
I generally agree, especially if his usage on offense is low but
I think the need for a wing is about 20 times more important than the need for a center. Between Darko, Love and Tolliver I think we can survive.
Considering how much he's being paid...
He’s very serviceable as a 20-25 minutes a game center. Ignore the fact that you hate him and that he was a high pick. Then consider him versus his financial counterparts and what he’s asked to do this year. He is legitimately the only defender down low.
Your judgment is clouded.
by SirLusciousLeftFoot on Jan 8, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
I like Darko
but he adds nothing. Being OK is his ceiling.
We need players that add if we want to go anywhere
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
I would hesitate to say he's adding nothing THIS year..
he has helped tremendously defensively, and if he could just play within himself offensively, and play like he did the first seven games we might be OK… but I definitely understand all of those thinking he can’t keep it up as I would bet on that happening.
Hmmm...so a team of superstars?
How many of those exist? Miami might win one with Joel Anthony playing 20 minutes a game. The Celtics won one with Kendrick Perkins playing 30+ minutes (and he wasn’t even as good as he is now).
You need role players. If his play is sustainable, he’s a positive. He plays very sound defense that nobody notices because he’s not throwing shots into the first row like Jordan.
by SirLusciousLeftFoot on Jan 8, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
Tolliver is cheaper for now
We’ll see what happens with his contract situation…
Does defense even enter your mind? Name a team that has won a championship with no interior defense? If we replace Darko for a better big man defender, great. If Randolph turns out to be that guy, great. If Pek turns out to be that guy, great.
by SirLusciousLeftFoot on Jan 8, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
Good players enter my mind
Name a championship team without good players. Darko is bad at professional basketball. Maybe if he were good at professional basketball his defense would actually matter.
The team currently does better with him off the court than with him on…on both ends of the court.
http://www.82games.com/1112/11MIN15.HTM
Talking about what it will take defensively to win a championship with a team that just won 17 games is not something I think anybody should be interested in. Getting good players is. Darko is not good. He’s had a decent stretch of play to open up the year but the rest of his career suggests he’ll revert to form.
Love leads the team in blocks per game at .7
What happened to the one thing Darko was good at? He’s now a complete bust.
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
hold on.. that's not fair..
he has a DRtg less than 100 and he has tremendously helped the MN team defense despite not having a lot of blocks. Granted, he may not keep this up and you could certainly make that argument, but even SnP will tell you Darko has been serviceable so far THIS year.
It just surprised me when I saw that, that's all
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
This is an odd comment
First, Darko’s defense didn’’t go anywhere.
Second, now is the time we figure out he is a bust?
hahaha. No, I always knew he was a bust
even when he was blocking shots with the best of ’em
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Darko is a solid Center for our team
and could be a good backup center on a good NBA team. He really isn’t all that bad if he plays his role.
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
What is his role?
turning the ball over?
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
He was beyond bad today
TO’s in his first 6 touches or so. Ugh.
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
4 to's that is
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Yeah, I dunno, just don't give him the ball
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
So we can't give the ball to Darko or Beasle?
Sounds good to me.
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
So..."decent stretch of play to open up the year"
He’s playing fine then thus far, right? thought so. That’s my point.
This little thread was about the Wolves being scary with a C and a 2G this year. Well, thus far that’s not true. You can’t just rip him to rip him. He’s far from an issue this year, especially considering his pay. The issues are at the wings…
by SirLusciousLeftFoot on Jan 8, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Which Wolves players that you would trade could bring this?
Beas, Luke?
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
This is the trick
They wait for a firesale or free agency. Otherwise the answer is a single guy: Williams. Hopefully they can get a firesale pick up for scraps.
Yeah, he's good but an as good 2 or C might/would be worth it
praying for fire sale instead
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
I still don't get this
Williams can play fine with Love — we just saw that. Sure, we need a SG but we can’t afford to trade away that sort of efficient talent. We firesale our crap (Wes, Beas, Pek, Luke, Randolph, et al) for an average SG.
Even if there's a team out there
with an average SG to let go, why would they want a mountain of crap? Are there multiple expiring contracts in there somewhere?
There are maybe 5 guys on the roster that I wouldn't trade for Francisco Garcia at this point
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 8, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
They should sit down with Beasley...
… he can probably help with the delusions … all he needs is a lighter.
GMs like Otis Smith
Isn’t beas on an expiring rookie contract? I never pay attention to contract crap (cept to say give Love the max). There’s always someone sold on potential, more interesting in crunching numbers and player ‘potential’ than balancing their roster. And we have lots of players with ‘potential.’
Why do people think this is an argument against Williams?
It’s an argument against our SGs and our lack of any other non-key players that have any perceived value in this league. In this scenario Williams is sacrificed for the greater good. There just aren’t many ways to grab a solid PG, and playing without one for the entire season will shoot any chances of having a good season.
by dropstep on Jan 8, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's an argument against keeping Williams
obviously, I think we should keep him because he’s one of the few players we have who has played well this season on this team.
There is no sacrificing Williams for the ‘greater good’. I’m convinced 90% of the trades we could make for him would make us worse.
yeah, he seems to be our best long range shooter
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
to respond to myself
We want a good shooting guard so we’re considering trading the guy who went 4-7 from 3 today? Uh ga.
You get that 3 point shooting does not make an SG, right?
I mean Love can hit 4-7, but he’s not a 2.
If you want to keep thinking we can get something for nothing, or spin crap into gold or whatever, go ahead. But this team can not keep running out Wes and Ellington at the 2 and Beasley at the 3 and be competitive. There are lots of combinations they can run out there to get their best bigs on the court at the same time, but there is no answer at the SG, and when the PnR game breaks down we have guys trying to create their own shots who should not ever try to dribble.
by dropstep on Jan 8, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
my argument is always the same
Trading Williams does not solve the SG problem. Getting a SG solves the SG problem. Last time we traded a good player, what did we get in return? For Jefferson? For Sessions? Once we have a good player, we hold onto them. We’re not gonna get value back (in most scenarios). We gotta get lucky through FA, D league, expiring contracts, teams looking to get under the luxury tax, etc. Trading Williams is not the answer, unless we’re getting a veteran near all-star caliber SG in return, and that’s not gonna happen.
A team like ours cannot afford to trade away talent.
I'm not saying trade Williams
I don’t think anyone is. I’m saying get a good SG. If the cost is Williams, well that’s unfortunate but it’s not a deal killer.
by dropstep on Jan 8, 2012 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
It’s just an acknowledgement that Williams is our most valuable trade asset if we’re looking to find a quality SG to pair with Love/Rubio. We might be able to grab somebody for scraps in a fire sale too, but we just don’t know.
Si
People like to pretend that this roster has talent and is filled with potential. It is not. He’s their best asset that could likely be moved.
Well, yeah
I think we all agree to disagree on this one. Two camps — He’s one of their better players so we don’t move him versus he’s one of their best assets who might be redundant so trade him. We’re not gonna convince the other.
For the record, I don’t pretend this roster has talent. Rubio, Love, Williams, maybe JJ. Everyone else is expendable in a heartbeat. But that’s my thing, if we have a talentless roster, why trade the few talented players we have? We all thought trading Jefferson was a good idea because of fit. Short term, we saw nothing for it.
Good points
But it’s hard to actually institute all ideas into a basketball team. We need a SG, but who is available, and at a god price. Likewise, we need talent, but who can we get (or use of our own), that fits with our other talent.
Williams is really good. If we can find a good way to use him on our team, let’s do it. But he is also really good, so if we can trade him for a peice that is more useable, let’s do that to.
The only reason to have talent is to win games. If Williams wins us games by fetching a good return in a trade, that’s good use of talent.
I don't miss Jefferson
He was a black hole and didn’t fit at all with what we were looking for in the future. Plus, if he hadn’t gone, you can bet your ass Love wouldn’t have gotten any minutes.
Williams seems to be flourishing even with the supposed logjam. We need to keep him.
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
Why trade the few talented players we have?
To get back other talented players. It’s not like every trade has to end up like the Jefferson trade. Trades have occurred in the past that netted a team a talented player in a position of need. If Derrick Williams has value, he can bring in other value, albeit at a position of need.
by SirLusciousLeftFoot on Jan 8, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
No talent, no potential...
If that’s the case why bother adding anything?
Anybody see how much better the offense flows
without Beasle?
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Anybody see how much better the offense flows
against Washington?
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 8, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Even if it is against them. It just looks better than when Beasley’s out there.
by MychalShannon1 on Jan 8, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
is RA leaving in the current squad as a reward for not sucking so much?
Just so they get a feel for what a road win feels like this season?
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
Ricky owns the 4th quarter
every minute of every game so far
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
14 assists!
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
guys, be on the look out for today's report card to be written by Malastare...
should be entertaining
wanting injuries etc. for our own players isn't cool
Pek apologist
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 8, 2012 2:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Give Rubio some rest, jeez
back to back to back coming up, come on.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 8, 2012 2:12 PM CST reply actions
just run clock
El, I get you want ez points but
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thanks washington
for take foye and miller. worst draft trade ever.
by Killboard on Jan 8, 2012 2:13 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Terrible comp
Oden was snake-bit. Thabeet was awful.
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 8, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Even if Oden wouldn’t of got injured. I couldn’t see him being as dominant as he was in college.
by MychalShannon1 on Jan 8, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe they'll take Beasle and Wayne
for next years first round pick?
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
welcome back Nikola..
good to see you buddy.. we missed you
Anyone else just watching
to see that no one gets hurt
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That's why he'd on the court at the end of games
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
I would reflexively implode for them...
… if they hire Rambis
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
they should change their name to Generals
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
where have I heard that name before?
something a cleveland owner had to say about the CBA? Nah, that’s not it, but something…
Some association with a New York borough? Maybe…
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
Ricky needs to can the post game ball-throw
on the road.
If we win in LA
It would be epic. Unless Bynum goes to kill him, but Barea and Beasley get their revenge…
Gotta get my tickets!
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
I don't want no stinkin moral W's
But I may take a Heat, Thunder like effort against the Bulls if we beat the Raps tomorrow….
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Beat Toronto
Play hard in Chicago
Sounds good to me
hopefully they'll be playing hard in Minneapolis against Chicago
it won’t be a good situation if we are playing hard in Chicago on Tuesday night
Pek apologist
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 8, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
Personally I am relieved to not have to watch the Wolves play the Wizards again
WAS might not be the worst team in the league but they are completely unwatchable
Yeah, that was shockingly bad
It’s entirely unclear what the Wizard’s plan is.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Jan 8, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
aquire long and athletic blockheads?
Pek apologist
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 8, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
That's why I think there is a limit on BPA
And why I’m glad we passed on Cousins
I have to admit that watching a day game without a beer
is a different experience, not better, just different…
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
The tattoo is doing the work
the rest of Pek is just along for the ride.
this
Pek apologist
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 8, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta play his way...
back into shape…
He’s not now. Out of sync and the whole thing.
Pek has/had some nice low post moves. It’ll come back
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
Didnt play well at all
and minny still beat them with some ease…
knowing that our team is led by 2 rookies, it is pretty clear there is alot more room to grow. Gotta take care of the ball, and get tougher physically and mentally.
same here
Pek apologist
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 8, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Not hard to figure out why the Wizards
are winless. Let’s hope we maintain this level of intensity and do the same to Toronto tomorrow night.
What's wrong with the NBA is what's wrong with the USA: too much respect for superstars and not enough for working class heroes.
you sure waited a long time to comment..
I think you were just waiting to make sure we won
Nah
us #$%! pirates like to go full screen and that makes it hard to comment while watching. You’ll hardly ever see me comment on a game thread unless it’s half time or the game is over.
What's wrong with the NBA is what's wrong with the USA: too much respect for superstars and not enough for working class heroes.
Rubio/D Will +29
Some garbage time in there sure, but they played great.
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D Will’s becoming my favorite player on the team. He’s gonna be a great player in this league for years to come.
by MychalShannon1 on Jan 8, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Ricky-DWill-Love sounds like an awesome big 3 to me!
by MychalShannon1 on Jan 8, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Wondering where Williams ranks among just "athletes" in the NBA
I knew he could jump, but that almost put back that Love cleaned up was super human.
I get buying into his potential
but out of curiosity, what makes him your favorite over, say, another new and shiny new toy like Rubio or a producer like Love?
It's also a personality thing
DWill just looks like he’s having so much fun out there, and brings so much positive energy. Obviously Ricky’s great in that department too – but I find DWill just a little bit easier to identify with and root for. Hard to decide though … this is a good problem to have.
Oh and as awesome as Love is numbers-wise,
I’m getting frustrated with his body language on the court. The constant complaining every time he doesn’t get a call, and the strutting every time he does, is annoying. It may not be harming the team, but it’s certainly not helping. He’s the de facto leader of this team … time to start acting like it.
I don't like it either
BUT, Love does really get banged around in there by the other guys who are just trying to keep him off the glass.
He's a PF...
what did he expect? And he doesn’t get banged around as much as most PFs because he also shoots the three.
I have a hunch
that Love is going to become one of those hated superstars (by other teams’ fans). He is going to get the calls and use the system to his advantage. Flopping, jumping into opponents, etc…
But he will be our hated superstar, so it is ok.
It won't be OK
if he goes the direction of Lebron or Bosh. And right now he is on that trajectory.
7 years, no title, ending in heartbreak and humiliation?
No Minnesota sports team needs Lebron to accomplish that.
You forgot to put "best player in the league" on your list
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
The moment Lebron wins a ring,
I’ll eat piping hot crow. Until then, just remember not to ask him for change for a dollar.
I don't like Bron either
But I have a real hard time not imagining them winning this year or next
I have a question for you
Did Kevin Garnett increase a ton in talent between his last year with us and his first few years with the Celts?
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
Funny you say that
After one play when Love was on the line, and the DC fans were booing him, I had that exact same thought.
What's funny is that Luke played 31 minutes of a blowout
and only had a +2
I keep saying it...
I think Luke hurts more than he helps.. His adjusted +/- this year is -14.75
Luke way better as a 2 with Rubio, too
He can shoot the open 3…
Maybe we get a backup PG and let Luke/JJ play the 2..
Not a crazy idea, really
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Me, too, but if you gotta play him
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
I do like Luke as a shooter
He has somehow become an awful PG though.
He has always been awful.
We are only just realizing it now though.
Ya, no other options before
With Rubio it makes it pretty clear.
I still think he's a good backup shooting PG
Definitely not a straightup PG though
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
3 straight days of games.
We should have a lockout every year. lol
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
by Action on Jan 8, 2012 2:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I actually prefer the shortened season...
Games matter quite a bit more.
by Flipao on Jan 8, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We beat a team we should have beat
and did it decisively. That 1st round pick is looking worse and worse for the Hornets.
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
That's what I was thinking
We beat a bad team we were supposed to beat. Of course we probably should of beat the Cavs, but they are suprisinly not soooo bad.
Good game to win.
Can't wait to play
more cupcakes
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
why?
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Clearly better than Wiz
as is everyone else. Worse effort I have seen in years.
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
Worst effort on language by me
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Did you watch the Minnesota Timberwolves at all last year?
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Sadly, yes
and the year before
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
We do seem to have a hard time winning in Toronto
But we haven’t won in Washington in about 7 years either. Have faithm grasshopper
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Cavs way better
Kyrie will be up for ROY. Like the other rook, side show Bob, moon, Jamison… Not nearly as Bad.
On Wiz I like…. Booker and Wall (maybe Wall)
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Don't leave Williams out of the ROY conversation
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Absolutely
Rubio – Irving are top 2 but DWill might be in there. It’s good to have a very good PG. Cavs/Wolves won’t suck.
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
he will not be anywhere near ROY..
he doesn’t get enough playing time.. It will come to Rubio or Irving
Unless he starts playing bigger minutes
and producing without Rubio setting him up for every shot/dunk, I don’t see him getting ROY votes.
They will both play in the Rookie all star game though
right?
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Does Rubio get to play
In the rookie all star game when he is also selected for the big boy all star game?
www.unleashkevinlove.com
I doubt it
But it’s a nice thought
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
I don't know
That’s a pretty high bar. Love got left off, right?
so true
Pek apologist
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 8, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
but you know what redeems him?
Being made captain and then publicly throwing his coach under the bus.
Are Wolves games shown in Spain?
Rubio is trending worldwide on Twitter despite the NFL playoff game. Spaniards must love this kid.
everybody loves this kid..
even the previous haters
14 assists, 13 points, makes everyone better
Worth the wait, absolutely. Almost worth seeing Jonny play PG in a Wolves uni.
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
Even Ricky
couldn’t make Beasle better
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
cuz beas can't play the pick well
Beas is the odd man out completely. If he’s not traded this season, it will only be because we don’t find a taker.
Think we could get
our 2 second round picks back? That Riley is a shrewd man. He picked Kahns pocket on that one.
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Shrewd indeed
Still like the trade though. Was worth a look. If we trade him I think we can still get someone to bite based on the scoring he has showed last year.
Yeah, I really loved the trade at the time
And Beasley has shown flashes. But he’s just too much of an offense killer.
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
He's one of the players were you are happy to admit you were wrong
ahem, most analysts.
A team like Washington would probably love
to have a scorer like Beasley.
We can play Wall and Rubio together!
No, really, it’ll work!
In a heartbeat.
Wall is being subjected to playing in wash. Right now the wiz look worse than last years wolves…
But I still really like wall.
6 rebounds, too.
and he moves his feet, gets in passing lanes on D.
He’s a total player…
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by ChicagoViking on Jan 8, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Mike Wilbon on Rubio just now
“I was dead wrong on Rubio… Dead Stuipd Wrong. I love watching the kid play…he knows how to run a break like a veteran already.
Same
His sports takes are already bad, but the worst is how the guy seems to bring race into everything.
I used to love PTI until I realized he and TK are complete dolts when it comes to sports.
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
Wilbon brings race into everything?
by googoleeoottooooleeoottooooleeeatta on Jan 8, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
I don’t have any specific examples, just years of watching/listening to him
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
I don’t get that. He has hosted a great show for a long time. It’s pretty good TV for sports talk when you consider what else is out there.
by fanslaststand on Jan 8, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
He makes a number of incorrect statements..
his predictions are often wrong, and his arguments have no substance. I just can’t stand the guy.
If you are a fan of the team he is talking about you are going to be pissed
If you’re not he usually is okay. But he never really knows what he’s talking about,
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
I never thought he was that controversial.
or polarizing. We all have our favs and dislikes. I think it’s a pretty good sports recap. But I also find Stephen A. Smith entertaining.
by fanslaststand on Jan 8, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
wow.. I really can't stand Stephen A Smith..
he’s probably the guy I loathe the most
I hear you
But he’s SO GOOD at his persona.
I don’t watch Stephen Colbert, for example, but I really admire his ability to stay in character and be compelling.
No way I could do an hour of Stephen A.. For 10-15 minutes of him bringing it, y, it’s unique.
by fanslaststand on Jan 8, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
Couldn't agree more about Stephan A
His persona is to slam everything in a very personal manner and then feign suprise when it gets thrown back at him. Not enough drinks in th world could get me to an office party with the man…
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
You should probably lay off the Wilbon's and Smiths then
Doesn’t sound like it’s good for your health.
by fanslaststand on Jan 8, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
One very good reason that I don't watch ESPN at all lately!
2012 the year of Twolves porcelain extraction?
I do bro.. trust me I do..
I turn the channel immediately when SAS is on. MW, I at least can tolerate to some extent.
I made it a few seconds into that one...
by fanslaststand on Jan 8, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
in hindsight
it was probably in bad taste, but my dislike for the man overcame any bad feelings I had about watching it
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
nah. it's cool.
nobody is still reading this thread anyway. that’s why I’m posting stuff now.
by fanslaststand on Jan 8, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
classic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PP4RT-vv-o
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
That's what I'm talking about!
How can you not “enjoy” this. For 5 or 10 minutes a week? It’s fckin GOLD! (in small doses)
by fanslaststand on Jan 8, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
I like Wilbon
Pek apologist
by running with Twolves (and scissors) on Jan 8, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
how do these people even get these jobs..
why are Wilbon and Kornheiser qualified to talk everything sports?
Wilbon began working for The Washington Post in 1980.
Kornheiser began his career in New York City, where he wrote for Newsday between 1970 and 1976, The New York Times between 1976 and 1979, and also worked as a teacher. Kornheiser joined The Washington Post in 1979 as a general assignment reporter in Style and Sports
by fanslaststand on Jan 8, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
I know all of this..
but does that really give them the ability to critique a basketball player, coach, etc. I would say you could pick any 2 random people that are sports enthusiasts and they could do what MB and TK do, and probably do it better, and be less annoying
But are you entertaining as you do it, and do you have the connections they have? Do you have a personality to attach to your thoughts?
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
coffee.. come on.. there are plenty of people who are entertaining and could do their job..
the connections thing is a valid point though, but you don’t need them for that show
I'm just saying
I watched PTI for years, and still catch it sometimes, because he and Kornheiser have great chemistry and are entertaining to watch. I don’t think anyone watches those shows or listens to his show for amazing analysis, in fact, I’m not really sure there’s much of a market for that at all.
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
Their bit is to be loud-mouth sensationalists and occasionally bicker for the sake of entertainment. They are paid to make grandiose predictions. I give them credit for being self-effacing when they are wrong. Which is more than I can say for Skip Bayless, who i’d like to Thunder-punch in the gonads.
guys.. all I'm saying is there is nothing unique about them.. I could take almost any 2 of you
give you time together and you would likely be entertaining
Skip Bayless is amazing
He is the greatest troll in the entire world of sports.
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Wilbon was a complete tool
when Rubio arrived in MN and was already trash talking him and calling him completely overrated.
EAT CROW
Great to get a win
I agree that the Wizards are really bad, but it is always fun to see a win. A lot of people were dead wrong about Rubio though.
the game against the raptors is huge
it can build confidence, it’s winnable and you have a point guard in jose calderon that knows ricky rubio better than anybody in this league other than rudy fernandez.
get 4-5 and i read teams on the end of back-to back-to back are 5-0 so far, so there is that lol. it could also send the message that this team is better without michael beasley, which i think is something many people have to be thinking inside the coaching staff.
The coaching staff
are the only ones who don’t see that
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
you don't think
that if they somehow get 3 wins without beasley in there, somebody will start thinking hard about limiting his minutes/shipping him?
if that doesn’t do it, nothing will.
Really? I know the guy still gets minutes
but how many plays do you see called for him? He’s not even the one taking the open threes – heck, he’s not even involved in the pick and roll. And he’s certainly not being trusted with the ball at any point after halftime. He’s only playing because he’s our best option at the three.
by mg7505 on Jan 8, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
When asked about whether the ball moves better with Beas out after the game
Adelman half dodged the question, but his first answer was, “well he wasn’t in there today, so yeah”
The staff knows he’s a black hole, methinks
by CoffeeJanitor on Jan 8, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
It's clear to everyone
But because of the roster, he appears to be necessary at times. We shall see how it plays out.
Wait til Barea and Lee get back
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Wayne Ellington
played a solid game, 3 steals even. Wes, another story.
Where there is a D-Williams, there is a way
Woo..
I think you are the only “huge fan” of Wayne except maybe his mother.
and the opponent
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Haha good point
I’m not the kind of guy to say “KEEP PLAYING WAYNE” if he sucks.
Some people on here have trouble putting players they like on the bench. If Wayne sucks (like he has been), I’d beat RA to put him on the bench.
Surprisingly, he did well today
13 pts on 5-8 shooting, 2-3 from downtown, 2 assists and only 1 to, and a +11. We’ll take that kind of production any day of the week. When Beas sits, the whole team plays better, it seems.
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Not surprisingly
another horrible game from Wes. Less Wes is best.
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
League Pass BB screwed me
So I got home and was pumped to watch the game using the free League Pass preview—blacked out. So I went online to the broadband to watch the game and it’s telling me that it’s blacked out. WTF?
Anyone know where I can watch a reply of the game? I want to watch each one of Ricky’s 14 dimes.
"I don't want to have to read you the riot act, but I am going to have to read you some extracts from the riot act."
someone will probably put it on youtube tomorrow
i’ll do a fanshot if that happens
Joe Mauer grounded into double play, second to shortstop to first, ________ out at second
Well, okay…but what in the hell is the point of LP BB if you can’t watch all the games?
"I don't want to have to read you the riot act, but I am going to have to read you some extracts from the riot act."
by BVP on Jan 8, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
As awful as this game was to watch,
it should help our defensive stats.
If Rubio develops a Tony Parker like floater and a consistent jump shot, he'll be unguardable
by bluedevil_unicorno on Jan 8, 2012 3:15 PM CST reply actions
Rubio headlines ESPN NBA page!
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
Well, we now know for certain that the Wolves are not the worst team in the NBA
The Wizards demonstrated clear evidence that they own that title
No one thought they were the worst
they’ve played one of the toughest schedules in the league so far, and held their own. I see good things ahead for this team, as long as Beasley sits, or learns how to contribute to a smooth flowing, unselfish offense. If he can only play within the offense, instead of always forcing things, his shots will come, and he can be the scorer he so badly wants to be. But the way he plays the game, with his ball stopping, one on one selfish play, I just don’t see that happening.
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
3-0 without Beas in the lineup?
Can’t wait to see.
Rest, Michael……rest. and don’t hurry back.
"I don't think I've ever seen a group that is as good at turning the ball over as this one." Rick Adelman
If you buy NBA LPBB
Do you get the mobile viewing as well?
I don't think so.
I was wondering the same thing. It seems like that ought to be the way it works, though.
Just finished watching this
I don’t remember the last time I saw such a ho-hum win out of the wolves. McGee would be an amazing trade target. I didn’t really see him do much on offense but damn can block shots. The black unis are still the best in the league.
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